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(Yahoo)   Tip #5 on winning the $425,000,000 Powerball: "Stay away from common lucky numbers like 3, 7 and 11 as well as numbers under 31 because they could be popular calendar dates like birthdays and anniversaries and would mean sharing the jackpot"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 156
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2012-11-27 10:51:30 AM  

GoodyearPimp: cartooned: Okay math people help me, is 2 in 175,000,000 odds the same as 1 in 87,500,000?

I would say yes, but I only had a math minor so I know less about math than the average person.


No the odds are the same as 1 in 174,999,999.
 
2012-11-27 10:51:46 AM  

hypocaffeinemia: doczoidberg: I plan to buy a ticket with the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6, Powerball 7.

Are my odds of winning the same?

Considering there are only 5 balls + powerball, I'd say you can't lose.


Ignoring that, you'd probably have to split the winnings with a bunch of other oddballs. But yes, 1,2,3,4,5+6 has as much chance of winning as anything else.
 
2012-11-27 10:52:30 AM  

doczoidberg: I plan to buy a ticket with the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6, Powerball 7.

Are my odds of winning the same?


Yes, but you'll be forever pursued by people claiming you cheated. That's why I'm playing 1,2,3,4,5,7, Powerball 8.
 
2012-11-27 10:52:50 AM  

hugram: zipdog: Tip #7: Don't play unless you can afford to pay the millions of dollars in taxes that will be levied against you.

That's funny... but that's also how many tea baggers think...

"Why should I make more money? My taxes will increase anyway."

They sure are a bright bunch.


They want the benefits of civil society, but none of the responsibility. And they call others moochers.
 
2012-11-27 10:54:28 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: No the odds are the same as 1 in 174,999,999.


Thank you, that makes more sense.
 
2012-11-27 10:55:31 AM  
anybody who fills in their own numbers is crazy. u mean it's the same odds as quick pick, sure i'll waste my time by filling out numbers like a scantron. those tests were always so fun in college
 
2012-11-27 10:56:38 AM  
I got my tickets purchased. 

forum.encyclopediadramatica.se
 
2012-11-27 10:57:25 AM  
This just in, ABC News is reporting that 3, 7 and 11 are no longer numbers under 31.
 
2012-11-27 10:58:13 AM  

LineNoise: lewismarktwo: It makes perfect sense. People use those numbers more, meaning that if those numbers DO win, you'll have a greater chance of having to share. It doesn't have anything to do with the probability of winning at all.


I wonder if the raw data is available to confirm this. I mean, I have to imagine the overwhelming number of tickets sold, especially when the jackpot gets this big, is from the random generated numbers. So you aren't going to have anything psychologically favoring special numbers there (we could debate the true randomness of those random numbers, but that is a different thread).

So lets say you have 80% of your tickets sold randomly, and 20% where people picked the numbers, out of like a billion tickets sold.

Of those 20%, how many people avoid "special" numbers for the very reason in this thread? How many favor high numbers to avoid having to split with birthday people, etc.

I'd wager that it pretty much comes out to be a wash.


Here's a fun story showing the problem: Link
Last year, four of the six numbers in a Mega Millions drawing matched the Lost numbers. Over 40,000 people were playing those numbers.

Birthday numbers mean you're probably splitting the plot with a couple tickets or so. if you play "special" sequences, like the Lost numbers or Fibonacci numbers, you're probably going to end up splitting with a ton of people.
 
2012-11-27 10:58:43 AM  
Ive noticed that being old helps a lot...and when it comes to the Powerball lotto theres something about Michigan too.
 
2012-11-27 10:59:50 AM  
Came here looking for someone calling out the submitter. I'm a little disappointed in you all. Obviously picking the winning numbers is the right choice, you only need to buy one ticket after all, and if the winning numbers are 3,7,11,1,31 then that's what you should pick.

So... let's say for a moment that you don't know what the winning numbers are. Then you're stuck guessing like a rube. You could guess 3,7,11,1,31 like every other shlub, and if those are the winning numbers than good on you, but 2,4,22,16,41 are just as likely to win and if that's what you guess and that's what comes up then you get more money. The article assumes that you can figure this out.
 
2012-11-27 11:01:15 AM  
poweball frequency chart

play the numbers that have been hit the most?

or play the numbers that have been hit the least hoping their time is coming?

or just pick family birthdays and hope it works out?
 
2012-11-27 11:01:39 AM  
I think I am going to play the odds on this. Pick my numbers and share in my good fortune.
 
2012-11-27 11:02:31 AM  

give me doughnuts: SurfaceTension: Who actually plays the lottery with a strategy to win? If you're doing that then you've got bigger issues than which numbers to play. Just do it for fun, to let yourself dream a little. That's what I'm paying for when I buy a ticket.

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This is exactly why I only bother with quickpick when I do get the occasional lotto ticket. I'm not going to have better success because I picked my own numbers, so why the fark bother. Also, it means the newsstand person I got the ticket from likes me because I didn't take up half the booth layout filling in little bubbles and then spend 5 minutes carefully scrutinizing my ticket(s) as if they held the secret to the universe on them
 
2012-11-27 11:02:46 AM  
If I win, free TF's for everyone!

/Except Drew
//Pray for Amos
///Pray for Amos
 
2012-11-27 11:03:00 AM  
if i ever win i'm gonna write a book on "how i won the lottery"
and i promise it would become a best seller
 
2012-11-27 11:03:01 AM  

doczoidberg: I plan to buy a ticket with the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6, Powerball 7.

Are my odds of winning the same?


No, the lottery numbers are insufficiently random. They use actual physical objects with numbers painted on. The weights are different so some balls are favored over others. Single digit balls are the worst.
 
2012-11-27 11:04:12 AM  
If I won $425 million, I would give $424 million to charity.

Then, know what I'd do with the remaining million?
 
2012-11-27 11:06:03 AM  
So.. if I buy 175,000,000 tickets then I am guaranteed to win the $278,000,000 right? I'll jump right on that!
 
2012-11-27 11:06:06 AM  
I once watched a TV show regarding a guy that would wait until the lottery jackpot would get so big, that he would buy every possible combination. He used a computer program to do this. One time, his computer had a glitch and he was only able to buy about 80% of all possible combos.

Lucky for him, the winning numbers were on the 80% combo.
 
2012-11-27 11:06:14 AM  
When I play it is always a QP. The computer is randomly selecting numbers for me and the balls are drawn randomly (Supposedly. I won't buy into a whole, "the lottery commission rigs it to get the jackpots up there) I had a math prof. talking about how he and some colleagues had devised a way to win the lottery, but he wouldn't reveal his strategy to us because in his own words, "it would be unethical"

the only system I saw that actually seemed to partially work was with the pick 3 game. It is all about math and this system did work (but part of the time as I said) we all know how pick 3 works, 10 numbers 0-9 and you pick 3. Well, you looked at the previous nights results and depending on the numbers you either added or subtracted 4. If the numbers picked started with a 0 or 8 (might have been 9) you didn't play for that night. then instead of playing the straight, i.e., you pick 1,2,3 and they draw 1,2,3 you picked the any box option so no matter what happened you won something. you pick 1,2,3 they draw 2,3,1 you still won. I tried it and actually won a few times 60 bucks here or there. Biggest as 150 dollars. but you aren't going to get rich off of the pick 3.

/but if I did win, I would have to say the same and TF for everyone.
//unless you are on my ignore list :P
 
2012-11-27 11:08:14 AM  

doczoidberg: I plan to buy a ticket with the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6, Powerball 7.

Are my odds of winning the same?


Your odds of winning are always the same no matter what valid numbers you pick. But the odds of sharing the jackpot with X number of people can change and thereby change the payout.
 
2012-11-27 11:08:28 AM  

reillan: If I won $425 million, I would give $424 million to charity.

Then, know what I'd do with the remaining million?


16,000 years of total fark?
 
2012-11-27 11:08:43 AM  
WTF? That makes no sense. It doesn't matter if you choose above or below thirty. The balls in the bin do not care.

These are tips on how to win while also avoiding having the same numbers as someone else. Splitting that much money a couple ways is probably all right.
 
2012-11-27 11:08:53 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: doczoidberg: I plan to buy a ticket with the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6, Powerball 7.

Are my odds of winning the same?

No, the lottery numbers are insufficiently random. They use actual physical objects with numbers painted on. The weights are different so some balls are favored over others. Single digit balls are the worst.


check that link I posted above. #1 has been hit 11 times (one of the more frequent)

56 has been hit the most
 
2012-11-27 11:09:04 AM  

NeoCortex42: if you play "special" sequences, like the Lost numbers or Fibonacci numbers, you're probably going to end up splitting with a ton of people.


At least I will be splitting with educated people, rather than run of the mill rednecks.
 
2012-11-27 11:09:42 AM  

hugram: I once watched a TV show regarding a guy that would wait until the lottery jackpot would get so big, that he would buy every possible combination. He used a computer program to do this. One time, his computer had a glitch and he was only able to buy about 80% of all possible combos.

Lucky for him, the winning numbers were on the 80% combo.


Where was he playing? It would be impossible for one person to actually buy/print all the combinations to powerball in the time between drawings.
 
2012-11-27 11:10:16 AM  

Nemnoch: So.. if I buy 175,000,000 tickets then I am guaranteed to win the $278,000,000 right? I'll jump right on that!


Tickets cost $2, which means you just lost $72 million. Bravo, good sir.
 
2012-11-27 11:10:45 AM  

reillan: If I won $425 million, I would give $424 million to charity.

Then, know what I'd do with the remaining million?


Hire a good tax attorney?
 
2012-11-27 11:10:46 AM  

doczoidberg: I plan to buy a ticket with the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6, Powerball 7.

Are my odds of winning the same?


Funny, that's the same combination on my luggage.

Scroob.jpg
 
2012-11-27 11:11:54 AM  
I don't get why everybody gets so excited about the giant jackpots and suddenly puts down tens or hundreds of dollars on tickets. Was $40 or $50 million not enough? Is it not worth the cost of a cup of coffee until it hits ludicrous speed?

I'll buy an occasional ticket. I figure I'd be fortunate to hit that million dollar second prize. A jackpot, regardless of size, would be plenty for me for life.
 
2012-11-27 11:11:54 AM  

reillan: If I won $425 million, I would give $424 million to charity.

Then, know what I'd do with the remaining million?


I already posted the Lawrence pic.
 
2012-11-27 11:12:50 AM  

srhp29: hugram: I once watched a TV show regarding a guy that would wait until the lottery jackpot would get so big, that he would buy every possible combination. He used a computer program to do this. One time, his computer had a glitch and he was only able to buy about 80% of all possible combos.

Lucky for him, the winning numbers were on the 80% combo.

Where was he playing? It would be impossible for one person to actually buy/print all the combinations to powerball in the time between drawings.


you'd have to print ahead of time, and SPECULATE the lotto drawing going up.
some people have that kind of vision, like bill gates
 
2012-11-27 11:13:12 AM  

NeoCortex42: I don't get why everybody gets so excited about the giant jackpots and suddenly puts down tens or hundreds of dollars on tickets. Was $40 or $50 million not enough? Is it not worth the cost of a cup of coffee until it hits ludicrous speed?

I'll buy an occasional ticket. I figure I'd be fortunate to hit that million dollar second prize. A jackpot, regardless of size, would be plenty for me for life.


I wait until they go plaid

www.3dfx.ch
 
2012-11-27 11:14:35 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: you'd have to print ahead of time, and SPECULATE the lotto drawing going up.
some people have that kind of vision, like bill gates


I'd laugh if someone like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet bought a ticket and managed to win it all.
 
2012-11-27 11:17:27 AM  

doczoidberg: I plan to buy a ticket with the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6, Powerball 7.

Are my odds of winning the same?


Yeah, but then you'd have to share the pot with a lot of other people who were just as clever. I think the point the author was making is that since the chance of any sequence of numbers appearing is the same, why not pick one where your chances of sharing is a lot less.
 
2012-11-27 11:17:52 AM  
Too many old farkers win. There should be an upper age limit, say 65 and they should be I.D.

With my luck I'll get killed in a car accident and some sleazy cop will check my wallet for I.D. and pocket my winning lottery ticket.
 
2012-11-27 11:21:06 AM  

NeoCortex42: I don't get why everybody gets so excited about the giant jackpots and suddenly puts down tens or hundreds of dollars on tickets. Was $40 or $50 million not enough? Is it not worth the cost of a cup of coffee until it hits ludicrous speed?

I'll buy an occasional ticket. I figure I'd be fortunate to hit that million dollar second prize. A jackpot, regardless of size, would be plenty for me for life.


^This. If the jackpot gets won it gets reset to what 20 million or somewhere in that area? If you take the lump sum and after paying taxes, you would still have a nice chunk of change. Shoot, even the hot lotto that is plaid the starting is a million, you take the lump sum it is what a little over 500k? you pay taxes on that and granted it isn't much but there are people out there who would gladly take that and not become attention whores. I am one of those people that if I was to win a couple of million, it would be pay off the house and bills maybe buy a couple of nice vehicles and then I am good with using the rest to either sit around drawing interest or use it for whatever needs (not wants) comes up.

/only problem with even winning a small jackpot is myself, like so many others, have tons of "long lost friends and relatives" coming out of the woodwork.
 
2012-11-27 11:23:43 AM  

jimmyjackfunk: Shoot, even the hot lotto that is plaid played the starting is a million


/damn I was thinking about that spaceballs reference.
 
2012-11-27 11:23:58 AM  
My tip: Just use the quick-pick. That way when you lose it's not because of a number you chose.
 
2012-11-27 11:24:15 AM  
I've already signed the back of my ticket so, sorry guys, I'm going to win.

/ my man only plays the little lotto because anything over a few million is too much money in his opinion
// he's probably right
 
2012-11-27 11:25:35 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: srhp29: hugram: I once watched a TV show regarding a guy that would wait until the lottery jackpot would get so big, that he would buy every possible combination. He used a computer program to do this. One time, his computer had a glitch and he was only able to buy about 80% of all possible combos.

Lucky for him, the winning numbers were on the 80% combo.

Where was he playing? It would be impossible for one person to actually buy/print all the combinations to powerball in the time between drawings.

you'd have to print ahead of time, and SPECULATE the lotto drawing going up.
some people have that kind of vision, like bill gates


That is what a group did in Ireland in the early 90s. They filled in all the number selection forms before hand, so they only had to rush to convert them to tickets. It also had around 1% of the possible combinations of Powerball (it was pick 6 of 36 numbers). They ended up splitting the jackpot with two other people but the secondary prizes got them to about £300,000 gain over the ticket prices (before other costs and time invested). Immediately after the Irish lottery added another three numbers to the game and a bonus number to the draw.
 
2012-11-27 11:26:46 AM  
If I win. I'm going to dissappear for one year.
Talk only to my financial planner.
Enjoy a long vacation.
Come back and bulldoze my entire property.
Dig it out to bedrock and springs.
Build an underground home with bat cave garage doors, swimming pool, and indoor fireplace where I can burn whole logs and stack the fire with a fron end loader.

Put Mr. Bonestripper out back.
 
2012-11-27 11:26:55 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: srhp29: hugram: I once watched a TV show regarding a guy that would wait until the lottery jackpot would get so big, that he would buy every possible combination. He used a computer program to do this. One time, his computer had a glitch and he was only able to buy about 80% of all possible combos.

Lucky for him, the winning numbers were on the 80% combo.

Where was he playing? It would be impossible for one person to actually buy/print all the combinations to powerball in the time between drawings.

you'd have to print ahead of time, and SPECULATE the lotto drawing going up.
some people have that kind of vision, like bill gates


I don't think you can buy tickets ahead of time though except in the case where you buy a ticket that is for multiple drawings....which kind of defeats the purpose if you are paying 5x the amount per ticket and hoping no one wins until the fifth drawing for your ticket.
 
2012-11-27 11:29:34 AM  
This came up when lots of people were playing the LOST numbers.

Suppose there's a $10 million payoff. If you pick random numbers, you have a (small) shot at $10 million. But if you play the LOST numbers, there's a good chance there are a thousand people playing those same numbers. So now you're in a lottery for $10,000.

It isn't an issue of improving your odds of winning. It's an issue of playing for a bigger jackpot with the same odds. Would you rather have a one-in-a-zillion chance at $1 million, or a one-in-a-zillion chance at $50 million?
 
2012-11-27 11:29:34 AM  

dywed88: Jon iz teh kewl: srhp29: hugram: I once watched a TV show regarding a guy that would wait until the lottery jackpot would get so big, that he would buy every possible combination. He used a computer program to do this. One time, his computer had a glitch and he was only able to buy about 80% of all possible combos.

Lucky for him, the winning numbers were on the 80% combo.

Where was he playing? It would be impossible for one person to actually buy/print all the combinations to powerball in the time between drawings.

you'd have to print ahead of time, and SPECULATE the lotto drawing going up.
some people have that kind of vision, like bill gates

That is what a group did in Ireland in the early 90s. They filled in all the number selection forms before hand, so they only had to rush to convert them to tickets. It also had around 1% of the possible combinations of Powerball (it was pick 6 of 36 numbers). They ended up splitting the jackpot with two other people but the secondary prizes got them to about £300,000 gain over the ticket prices (before other costs and time invested). Immediately after the Irish lottery added another three numbers to the game and a bonus number to the draw.


the lotto place should automatically sell a shared combo buy package that everyone can buy into to win a guaranteed $1.0001 for a $1 bet
 
2012-11-27 11:32:39 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: if i ever win i'm gonna write a book on "how i won the lottery"
and i promise it would become a best seller


if you don't win, write a book about how you ALMOST won.
I bet it will still sell well.
 
2012-11-27 11:33:28 AM  
Chances of winning, slim to none.... Chances of winning if you don't get at least one ticket, none.

/I only give it a shot about 2 or 3 times a year.
 
2012-11-27 11:35:30 AM  

Nemnoch: So.. if I buy 175,000,000 tickets then I am guaranteed to win the $278,000,000 right? I'll jump right on that!


You cannot buy 175,000,000 tickets by yourself. The machine cannot print them fast enough in the days between drawings.
 
2012-11-27 11:36:45 AM  

give me doughnuts: SurfaceTension: Who actually plays the lottery with a strategy to win? If you're doing that then you've got bigger issues than which numbers to play. Just do it for fun, to let yourself dream a little. That's what I'm paying for when I buy a ticket.

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