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(Reuters)   It sounds like a off the wall conspiracy theory involving China, Russia, and the UN attempting to regulate the Internet. The twist is it's actually true   (reuters.com) divider line 25
    More: Scary, Russia, Vint Cerf, International Telecommunication Union, U.N. agency  
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2012-11-27 07:20:42 AM  
We, the United States, created the Internet, so of course we will always have some sort of control over the medium. The only way that the UN/China/Russia could gain any kind of control is to most likely create their own Internet.
 
2012-11-27 07:44:25 AM  
Except it's not really true.
 
2012-11-27 10:07:06 AM  
No, it's not.
 
2012-11-27 10:09:11 AM  
Sure it is.
 
2012-11-27 10:12:28 AM  

cman: We, the United States, created the Internet, so of course we will always have some sort of control over the medium. The only way that the UN/China/Russia could gain any kind of control is to most likely create their own Internet.


Look into how the internet actually works, then come back.
 
2012-11-27 10:28:01 AM  
Here's the essential issue...

"Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt said this month that the Net is already on the road to Balkanization, with people in different countries getting very different experiences from the services provided by Google, Skype and others."

...which sounds pretty bad until you imagine what today's Internet will look like when China buys Google, Skype and everything else. If and when this happens, I'd kinda like it if my own country were able to regulate how these companies "do business" on my computer...
 
2012-11-27 10:28:36 AM  
Actually, I've thought about this. My idea is to cut out all non-nato countries out of the present internet. Right now, I can't see any justification in having internet access to Russia or China (North Korea or Iran). The two biggest sources of viruses, spam and hackers on the planet. Cut them off. Make them sign agreements to curb their sh*t. If they're not willing to play by OUR rules then f*ck them. Let them create their own internet. Since IP is assigned by country, it's not that hard to filter them at the DNS level (AFAIK).
 
2012-11-27 10:29:48 AM  

thurstonxhowell: cman: We, the United States, created the Internet, so of course we will always have some sort of control over the medium. The only way that the UN/China/Russia could gain any kind of control is to most likely create their own Internet.

Look into how the internet actually works, then come back.


Right back at you. That IS the way the internet works.
 
2012-11-27 10:31:19 AM  

lewismarktwo: Sure it is.


t.fod4.com
No it isn't!
 
2012-11-27 10:34:23 AM  
I think there's a semantic issue at stake. You mean create their own Intra-Net. For their country.
Supposedly DPRK has one. Guess it does.
 
2012-11-27 10:34:44 AM  

vygramul: Except it's not really true.


I don't believe it either.
rt.com

See?
 
2012-11-27 10:44:22 AM  

LewDux: vygramul: Except it's not really true.

I don't believe it either.
[rt.com image 370x277]

See?


Don't be an asshole. This isn't about Russia trying to control what YOU see, it's about controlling what RUSSIANS see. Their national firewalls aren't working, and they are looking for another solution to their own censorship needs. Find that solution, and they won't care if there's zero regulation.
 
2012-11-27 10:49:34 AM  
Can somebody add markings to this thread so I can see who is disagreeing with whom, and about what? I'm very confused. Generally pro-internet, though had to cut back on porn.
 
2012-11-27 11:14:57 AM  

vygramul: LewDux: vygramul: Except it's not really true.

I don't believe it either.
[rt.com image 370x277]

See?

Don't be an asshole. This isn't about Russia trying to control what YOU see, it's about controlling what RUSSIANS see. Their national firewalls aren't working, and they are looking for another solution to their own censorship needs. Find that solution, and they won't care if there's zero regulation.


I don't believe it either. Look:
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-27 11:25:56 AM  

LewDux: vygramul: LewDux: vygramul: Except it's not really true.

I don't believe it either.
[rt.com image 370x277]

See?

Don't be an asshole. This isn't about Russia trying to control what YOU see, it's about controlling what RUSSIANS see. Their national firewalls aren't working, and they are looking for another solution to their own censorship needs. Find that solution, and they won't care if there's zero regulation.

I don't believe it either. Look:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 298x400]


www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-11-27 12:19:36 PM  

vygramul: LewDux: vygramul: Except it's not really true.

I don't believe it either.
[rt.com image 370x277]

See?

Don't be an asshole. This isn't about Russia trying to control what YOU see, it's about controlling what RUSSIANS see. Their national firewalls aren't working, and they are looking for another solution to their own censorship needs. Find that solution, and they won't care if there's zero regulation.


"Censorship needs." fark that.

Destroy all walls of censorship, take that measure of control away from all parties except individuals. Not governments. Not businesses. Just people determining what they themselves can produce and wish to find. The Internet should be a frontier of free thought and communication, not another medium through which the frightened and the greedy can limit how we interact.
 
2012-11-27 12:31:09 PM  
vygramul:
Don't be an asshole. This isn't about Russia trying to control what YOU see, it's about controlling what RUSSIANS see. Their national firewalls aren't working, and they are looking for another solution to their own censorship needs.

...except that their "censorship needs" include things like "keeping people in other countries from saying mean things about them, which get back to their own people." For the Internet to do that, they need censorship controls of a similar level on EVERY computer on the Internet, dialed down to the level of "permissible" information of the lowest common denominator.

There's nothing preventing Russia from putting completely adequate internal censorship protocols on the computers their own people use, for internal use only. Ditto for China. The problem is that they want EVERYONE to follow the same protocols. Which is not going to happen.
 
2012-11-27 12:39:47 PM  

djscram: Can somebody add markings to this thread so I can see who is disagreeing with whom, and about what? I'm very confused. Generally pro-internet, though had to cut back on porn.


Good god!!! Cut back..

These words. I don't think they go together
 
2012-11-27 12:39:53 PM  

thurstonxhowell: cman: We, the United States, created the Internet, so of course we will always have some sort of control over the medium. The only way that the UN/China/Russia could gain any kind of control is to most likely create their own Internet.

Look into how the internet actually works, then come back.


Actually, he's right, but the portion that the US can influence ("control" is too strong of a word) is minor and can be minimized. The US DoC has oversight of the IANA functions which includes the management of the DNS root zone. Very little hands-on control (practically none), but the IANA functions are a US contract.

/note: privatizing the contract (i.e. handing it off to IAB, ICANN, someone) would be complicated and probably involve Congress (i.e. Home of SOPA/PIPA). Good luck with that.
 
2012-11-27 01:00:22 PM  

cirby: vygramul:
Don't be an asshole. This isn't about Russia trying to control what YOU see, it's about controlling what RUSSIANS see. Their national firewalls aren't working, and they are looking for another solution to their own censorship needs.

...except that their "censorship needs" include things like "keeping people in other countries from saying mean things about them, which get back to their own people." For the Internet to do that, they need censorship controls of a similar level on EVERY computer on the Internet, dialed down to the level of "permissible" information of the lowest common denominator.

There's nothing preventing Russia from putting completely adequate internal censorship protocols on the computers their own people use, for internal use only. Ditto for China. The problem is that they want EVERYONE to follow the same protocols. Which is not going to happen.


Nor should it. Last thing the world needs is a convenient standard for censorship. It's hard to do because it's an inherently unnatural concept for the medium.
 
2012-11-27 01:27:55 PM  
"These persistent attempts are just evidence that this breed of dinosaurs, with their pea-sized brains, hasn't figured out that they are dead yet, because the signal hasn't traveled up their long necks," Cerf told Reuters.

Wow. That is pretty direct for Vint Cerf. Sounds more like something Linus Torvalds would belt out.
 
2012-11-27 02:23:24 PM  

vygramul: LewDux: vygramul: LewDux: vygramul: Except it's not really true.

I don't believe it either.
[rt.com image 370x277]

See?

Don't be an asshole. This isn't about Russia trying to control what YOU see, it's about controlling what RUSSIANS see. Their national firewalls aren't working, and they are looking for another solution to their own censorship needs. Find that solution, and they won't care if there's zero regulation.

I don't believe it either. Look:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 298x400]

[www.bitlogic.com image 640x275]


oi47.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-27 02:48:19 PM  
What is getting to suck about the Internet already is how these news agencies like Reuters plays a commercial between every story.
It makes me want to go watch TV to avoid them.
 
2012-11-27 03:38:51 PM  
These countries are more then welcome to go create their own internet, and then filter the content that is allowed in it. No one is stopping them. This is a power grab, and the UN needs it's hands slapped for being so greedy.
 
2012-11-29 07:03:37 AM  

RatOmeter: "These persistent attempts are just evidence that this breed of dinosaurs, with their pea-sized brains, hasn't figured out that they are dead yet, because the signal hasn't traveled up their long necks," Cerf told Reuters.

Wow. That is pretty direct for Vint Cerf. Sounds more like something Linus Torvalds would belt out.


Torvalds-level vehemence may be refreshing and all, but make sure not to get him into Stallman mode. You wouldn't like him when he's in Stallman mode.
 
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