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(CBS Sports)   Nick Saban doesn't think it's fair that a team can play in a BCS bowl without winning their division   (cbssports.com) divider line 55
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2012-11-27 09:18:32 AM  
Muschamp's comments were refreshing:

"I'm not a guy that's going to sit there and belly-ache about the rules. They were set before the season started. We knew the deal. I'm not going to sit there and complain about it. We should have won the game."

But I'm up for revoking Alabama's title if that's how Saban feels. Bet he'll be fine with the loser not making the Sugar Bowl once his team wins.
 
2012-11-27 09:51:18 AM  
wasn't it around 2001 when I think Nebraska or Oklahoma either lost or didn't play in their conference championship but won the national title game, somehow?

the older i get, the less interest i have in the college game. i've tried to watch a few games recently but it just doesn't do it for me. i'll probably watch the BCS title game and whatever bowl the Devils or perhaps Wildctas get but by and large, i don't care. which is odd becuase I used to love college football.
 
2012-11-27 09:54:43 AM  
I think it is lame that UGA will get relegated to the Capital One Bowl, but I'll take the NC chance though if that is the trade-off.

I still don't understand how some of the bowl things work or why people are so anal about them. (I would have preferred Georgia playing USC some years ago in the Rose Bowl instead of beating up Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl)

Could a close loss (multiple overtimes) keep the team above Florida?
 
2012-11-27 09:55:57 AM  
eh, the national title game lost all meaning when ESPN started planting false positive analysis to get the SEC into every championship game.

/ try and watch or listen to ESPN for five solid minutes without hearing someone forcing accolades towards the SEC, whether they fit into the conversation or not. Its humorous if you look for it.
// Yes, the DO have a financial incentive to do this.
 
2012-11-27 09:56:59 AM  

rickythepenguin: wasn't it around 2001 when I think Nebraska or Oklahoma either lost or didn't play in their conference championship but won the national title game, somehow?


No, Nebraska got in the BCS title game after losing 62-36 in their final regular season game, which put Colorado (the team that beat them) in the Big XII title game, which they won. But Colorado had two losses, so they didn't go to the BCS title game, and Oregon lost 49-42 on the road to a top-20 Stanford team thanks to two punt return TDs, but apparently Nebraska getting waxed was impressive enough to put them in the title game, where they got their sh*t pushed in (Meanwhile, Oregon beat Colorado).

Then a couple years later, Oklahoma got waxed IN the Big XII title game, 35-7, and apparently they were still better than a USC team who lost on the road in 3OT to a decent Cal squad. So they went to the title game and got beaten down as well.

The team that won the title after not winning its division/playing in the conference title game was Saban's Alabama squad last year.
 
2012-11-27 09:57:18 AM  
FTFA:Saban said Sunday that is isn't fair that the fifth-ranked Gators likely will play in the Sugar Bowl over the loser of the Southeastern Conference title game. No. 2 Alabama plays No. 3 Georgia for the SEC title Saturday, with the winner advancing to the BCS title game in Miami and the loser probably landing in the Capital One Bowl in Orlando.

Da fuq?
 
2012-11-27 09:58:03 AM  

rickythepenguin: wasn't it around 2001 when I think Nebraska or Oklahoma either lost or didn't play in their conference championship but won the national title game, somehow?


Nebraska got stomped on by Colorado, then got stomped on by Miami
 
2012-11-27 09:59:40 AM  

bulldg4life: (I would have preferred Georgia playing USC some years ago in the Rose Bowl instead of beating up Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl)



that was a pretty unmerciful beatdown. i remember vividly Mark Richt smirking the entire second half, and also that weird barrel roll / tumble move the Hawaii DL did on some plays. It looked cool, I guess, but it certainly wasn't effective.
 
2012-11-27 10:00:58 AM  

Cup Check: Da fuq?


The loser of the SEC Championship will be 11-2 while Florida is (and will continue to be) 11-1.
Considering they are all in the top 5, it is reasonable to assume that #2 or #3 will fall to 6 or lower and be with the rest of the two loss teams.
 
2012-11-27 10:01:56 AM  
I love tOSU apparently bleating about their chances of winning the AP Poll and thus, getting a share of the national championship.
 
2012-11-27 10:04:38 AM  

bulldg4life: Cup Check: Da fuq?

The loser of the SEC Championship will be 11-2 while Florida is (and will continue to be) 11-1.
Considering they are all in the top 5, it is reasonable to assume that #2 or #3 will fall to 6 or lower and be with the rest of the two loss teams.


No, I mean the disagreement where Saban says the list of the SEC title game is going to the Sugar Bowl and TFA saying the loser is going to the Capital One Bowl.
 
2012-11-27 10:09:16 AM  

Cup Check: FTFA:Saban said Sunday that is isn't fair that the fifth-ranked Gators likely will play in the Sugar Bowl over the loser of the Southeastern Conference title game. No. 2 Alabama plays No. 3 Georgia for the SEC title Saturday, with the winner advancing to the BCS title game in Miami and the loser probably landing in the Capital One Bowl in Orlando.

Da fuq


Even more fun: should Nebraska win the Big Ten title game (likely), if Alabama were to lose they wouldn't play in the Citrus, they'd fall to the Outback bowl at least. If Nebraska wins the B1G title game, the Citrus will want to take Michigan (their only other option under the rules would be Northwestern), and they're not going to make a rematch with Alabama, they're probably going to try to take the Johnny Footballs if possible. Would easily be the highest rated non-BCS matchup and probably beats at least one or two of the BCS bowls.
 
2012-11-27 10:09:50 AM  

rickythepenguin: I love tOSU apparently bleating about their chances of winning the AP Poll and thus, getting a share of the national championship.


This is a ridiculous argument, too. And, shows complete obliviousness on the part of OSU fans. No matter what team wins the national title, they will have a better resume than OSU. It isn't even close, either.

Notre Dame would be undefeated 13-0 with victories over #8 Stanford, on the road against USC, #19 Michigan, #2 SEC Champ, and on the road against #11 Oklahoma
Alabama would be 12-1 with victories over #19 Michigan, #3 ranked Georgia, #1 Notre Dame, #7 LSU, Mississippi State, and a loss to #9 Texas A&M
Georgia would be 12-1 with victories over #1 ND, #2 Alabama, #4 Florida, and a loss on the road to #10 South Carolina

Ohio State has victories over #19 Michigan, #14 Nebraska, and a 6-6 Michigan State team
 
2012-11-27 10:11:55 AM  

bulldg4life: Considering they are all in the top 5, it is reasonable to assume that #2 or #3 will fall to 6 or lower and be with the rest of the two loss teams


They don't even need to fall that far -- with Florida right behind them at #4 in the standings, all that needs to happen is that they fall behind Florida for the #3 spot, since under the "Kansas State rule" you're guaranteed a BCS slot at #3 (well, unless #1 and #2 are also in your conference).
 
2012-11-27 10:12:43 AM  

Cup Check: No, I mean the disagreement where Saban says the list of the SEC title game is going to the Sugar Bowl and TFA saying the loser is going to the Capital One Bowl.


Saban doesn't say that. The point is that Florida, much like Alabama last year, didn't win their division, and therefore will not even be playing in the SEC Championship game. Because whichever team loses the SEC title game will then have two losses, they are likely to drop behind the Gators, who have only one loss, which will cost them their opportunity to play in a BCS bowl.

It's ironic because Mr.-I-don't-like-that wouldn't be a BCS champion right now if they'd had a rule against it this whole time.
 
2012-11-27 10:17:50 AM  
Next time, play some defense in the first half against the Aggies, Coach Saban. You got smoked and still get a shot at the NCG if you can win. WAAAAAAAAH!
 
2012-11-27 10:22:21 AM  

rickythepenguin: wasn't it around 2001 when I think Nebraska or Oklahoma either lost or didn't play in their conference championship but won the national title game, somehow?


There was no national title game in 2001. That was the year of complete horseshiat.
 
2012-11-27 10:50:16 AM  
Bama vs Mich in the Capital One Bowl? A rematch no one asked for, two years in a row.
 
2012-11-27 11:08:25 AM  
2008 Big 12. Mizzou loses the championship game and gets relegated to the Cotton Bowl. Kansas, who not only didn't win their division, but lost head-to-head against Mizzou, and was universally ranked below Mizzou in the polls and computers, goes to (and wins) the Orange Bowl.

Even as a KU grad, as far as I can tell that was a pact with Satan that KU Athletics is still paying off...
 
2012-11-27 11:13:31 AM  
Fark Saban. Sure, he is a great coach, I don't think that can be denied but his little antics like this really annoy me. I think Muschamps reply was spot on and basically saying; "hey, if you don't want to risk missing out on a BCS bowl we would gladly take that chance for the SEC title".
I guess once you have so many SEC titles, they begin to lose their meaning?
 
2012-11-27 11:19:24 AM  
Damn, maybe I just wasn't paying attention but I didn't know until this year what a whiny little whore b*tch Saban is.
 
2012-11-27 11:20:59 AM  
Florida will get in a BCS bowl b/c they will be the second highest rated SEC team in the top 4 of the BCS after the SEC Championship. BCS rules state that the top 4 teams in the BCS will be guaranteed births if their conference hasn't already filled 2 slots.

Also some fun tid bits with high-end bowls and championship game losers: These bowls like picking teams that ended their year on a win and don't like picking champ game losers b/c fans of champ losers will feel like going to the next best bowl after the BCs tie-in will be a let down. So losing a championship game actually means you go to a worse bowl than if you had not won your divison.

Fans should try and demand that conferences with tie-in bowls force bowls to take teams based on conference seeding if they feel like this system sucks.
 
2012-11-27 11:23:40 AM  

bulldg4life: Georgia would be 12-1 with victories over #1 ND, #2 Alabama, #4 Florida, and a loss on the road to #10 South Carolina


WTF? So Notre dame did lose a game?
 
2012-11-27 11:24:31 AM  

bulldg4life: rickythepenguin: I love tOSU apparently bleating about their chances of winning the AP Poll and thus, getting a share of the national championship.

This is a ridiculous argument, too. And, shows complete obliviousness on the part of OSU fans. No matter what team wins the national title, they will have a better resume than OSU. It isn't even close, either.

Notre Dame would be undefeated 13-0 with victories over #8 Stanford, on the road against USC, #19 Michigan, #2 SEC Champ, and on the road against #11 Oklahoma
Alabama would be 12-1 with victories over #19 Michigan, #3 ranked Georgia, #1 Notre Dame, #7 LSU, Mississippi State, and a loss to #9 Texas A&M
Georgia would be 12-1 with victories over #1 ND, #2 Alabama, #4 Florida, and a loss on the road to #10 South Carolina

Ohio State has victories over #19 Michigan, #14 Nebraska, and a 6-6 Michigan State team


You are right. Ohio State has a Boise St like resume, and we can go back and look at how many no loss Boise St teams won or even got a chance to play for the title.
 
2012-11-27 11:34:34 AM  

srhp29: bulldg4life: Georgia would be 12-1 with victories over #1 ND, #2 Alabama, #4 Florida, and a loss on the road to #10 South Carolina

WTF? So Notre dame did lose a game?


No, but if Georgia wins the NC, it means they will have defeated ND.

Your reading comprehension and critical thinking: Not strong.
 
2012-11-27 11:37:35 AM  

I sound fat: eh, the national title game lost all meaning when ESPN started planting false positive analysis to get the SEC into every championship game.


You know, all the other teams have to do to defeat ESPN's evil schemes is not lose to Iowa State or Stanford.
 
2012-11-27 11:38:34 AM  
What's kind of related to this is what happened last year between LSU and Alabama in the regular season. They were ranked #1 and #2 respectively when they played. The final score was something like 9-6 with LSU winning. Let's see, a very close game between #1 and #2 with #1 winning. Logic would suggest that the rankings would be unchanged. But nope, in college football's bizzaro undefeated-obsessed world Alabama fell to like #7. Do they have such little faith in their own rankings? I don't get it.

Before I get accused of it, not an Alabama fan. Barely even a college football fan.
 
2012-11-27 11:47:44 AM  

ScouserDuck: rickythepenguin: wasn't it around 2001 when I think Nebraska or Oklahoma either lost or didn't play in their conference championship but won the national title game, somehow?

There was no national title game in 2001. That was the year of complete horseshiat.


That Hurricanes team would have plunger raped the Ducks or Buffs just as badly as they beat down the Huskers. It's the best college football team I have ever seen.
 
2012-11-27 11:57:30 AM  

rickythepenguin: the older i get, the less interest i have in the college game. i've tried to watch a few games recently but it just doesn't do it for me. i'll probably watch the BCS title game and whatever bowl the Devils or perhaps Wildctas get but by and large, i don't care. which is odd becuase I used to love college football.


THIS

It's a shame, too, because college football can be quite exciting, and NOTHING beats the experience of the atmosphere of watching rivalry games in-person.

I'm old enough to remember that college football was much more fun WITHOUT the BCS nonsense.
 
2012-11-27 12:02:40 PM  

IAmRight: It's ironic because Mr.-I-don't-like-that wouldn't be a two-time BCS champion right now if they'd had a rule against it this whole time.




FTFY
 
2012-11-27 12:08:52 PM  
The winner on survivor has more integrity than the bowl game system.
 
2012-11-27 12:16:19 PM  

rorypk: Bama vs Mich in the Capital One Bowl? A rematch no one asked for, two years in a row.


I may be missing something....but didn't Bama play in the NCG against LSU last year and win?
 
2012-11-27 12:16:22 PM  
FTA:

"It's not really a great scenario," Saban said. "You play your way into the (SEC) championship game, which means you're the best team in your division. ... It doesn't seem quite right, but it is what it is. I don't really know what me commenting about it is going to do to change it. But I don't feel good about it."

Commenting about it might not do much to change it, but REFUSING TO PLAY IN A GAME YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU DIDN'T DESERVE TO PLAY IN LAST YEAR might have done a little something to change it...
 
2012-11-27 12:16:39 PM  

Slow To Return: IAmRight: It's ironic because Mr.-I-don't-like-that wouldn't be a two-time BCS champion right now if they'd had a rule against it this whole time.



FTFY


I was referring to it as a current thing, not as though it's a President thing where once you've won one you get called champ for life.

BTW, a great way to stop all the b*tching would be to step in on things like this and say "cool, you don't think it's right that the loser doesn't get to play in the Sugar Bowl? Well, you are automatically kicked out of the SEC title game and you can play in the Outback Bowl so the loser of Florida/Georgia II can play in the Sugar Bowl. Now everyone's happy."
 
2012-11-27 12:16:50 PM  
Saban is a whiney biatch. Wasn't he complaining about Oregon playing too fast earlier this year and how it was dangerous or something?
 
2012-11-27 12:26:27 PM  

birchman: Saban is a whiney biatch. Wasn't he complaining about Oregon playing too fast earlier this year and how it was dangerous or something?


Since he pays for all the best recruits, everyone else should be required to run exactly what he runs with inferior players. That way he never really even has to put in long work weeks.
 
2012-11-27 12:35:51 PM  
Given what happened when Saban biatched about the hurry-up offense (loss to TAMU), I'd be tempted to put some cash on the Dawgs if I were a betting type.

I can't tell if Saban is getting old and starting to go a bit crazy or just enjoys trolling everybody.
 
2012-11-27 12:38:56 PM  

rickythepenguin: bulldg4life: (I would have preferred Georgia playing USC some years ago in the Rose Bowl instead of beating up Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl)


that was a pretty unmerciful beatdown. i remember vividly Mark Richt smirking the entire second half, and also that weird barrel roll / tumble move the Hawaii DL did on some plays. It looked cool, I guess, but it certainly wasn't effective.


Georgia and usc were the two best teams that year. That was the matchup i was rooting for
 
2012-11-27 12:44:31 PM  

PowerSlacker: That Hurricanes team would have plunger raped the Ducks or Buffs just as badly as they beat down the Huskers. It's the best college football team I have ever seen.


That's an interesting fact that you just made up. Good work.
 
2012-11-27 12:47:11 PM  

DeadpoolNakago: Florida will get in a BCS bowl b/c they will be the second highest rated SEC team in the top 4 of the BCS after the SEC Championship. BCS rules state that the top 4 teams in the BCS will be guaranteed births if their conference hasn't already filled 2 slots.


90% correct. The official rules are:
1. The six champions get a bid.
2. #1 and #2 get a bid.
3. Notre Dame, if in the top eight.
4. The highest minor conference champion, if in the top 12 (or top 16 and ahead of an automatic qualifier)
5. If a spot is left, #3 if it's from a major conference that doesn't already have two bids
6. If a spot is left, #4 if it's from a major conference that doesn't already have two bids and no automatic bid was given in step 5.

So if Army somehow winds up ranked #3, they're not guaranteed a spot. If Boise State goes 11-1 and is ranked #4, but didn't win their conference, they're not guaranteed a spot. If somehow the top three teams are not conference champions AND Notre Dame is top eight AND there's a Boise State type in the top 12, then the #3 ranked team is in fact shut out (because there are no spots left). If the SEC runner-up drops to #5 in the rankings behind Oregon, Oregon will not be guaranteed a spot (#3 Florida qualifies under rule 5, so rule 6 does not apply).

In practice what this means is that this year, assuming the SEC runner-up drops behind Oregon, the picture will be:
Title - #1 Notre Dame vs #2 SEC
Fiesta - [B12] vs Pick #2
Sugar - [SEC] Pick #1 vs Pick #3
Orange - [ACC] vs Pick #4
Rose - [B10] vs [P10]

Automatic bids to Florida and the Big East champion. If the MAC winner finishes top 16 (expect some serious shadiness in both directions in the polls), they're guaranteed a spot (thanks to Rutgers and Louisville shiatting the bed this week). That leaves one spot for Oregon to be picked. Otherwise, Oklahoma or Clemson could be picked for the tenth spot (likely the former).
Sugar Bowl obviously picks Florida.
Fiesta Bowl takes Oregon.
Sugar Bowl would like to take Oklahoma if they can, otherwise they settle for the Big East champ.
Orange Bowl either gets the Big East champ or a top-16 MAC champ.

Until last week, I felt bad that Rutgers' one loss had left them so low. I mean, they only lost to Kent State and Kent State is 11-1. Then I looked, and Kent State's only loss was getting shiat-kicked by 2-9 Kentucky. So, [shrug].
 
2012-11-27 01:10:41 PM  

birchman: Wasn't he complaining about Oregon playing too fast earlier this year and how it was dangerous or something?



Yeah, which is ironic considering that his program has given out something like almost twice as many medical harships than the next closest SEC school.
 
2012-11-27 01:18:09 PM  

kidgenius: rorypk: Bama vs Mich in the Capital One Bowl? A rematch no one asked for, two years in a row.

I may be missing something....but didn't Bama play in the NCG against LSU last year and win?


They played in the BCS Championship Game, if that's what you mean.
 
2012-11-27 01:29:58 PM  

ScouserDuck: PowerSlacker: That Hurricanes team would have plunger raped the Ducks or Buffs just as badly as they beat down the Huskers. It's the best college football team I have ever seen.

That's an interesting fact that you just made up. Good work.


Did you watch the Hurricanes that year...at all?

If not, allow me to help you out a bit:

In all, an extraordinary 17 players from the 2001 Miami football team were drafted in the first-round of the NFL Draft (5 in the 2002 NFL Draft: Buchanon, McKinnie, Reed, Rumph, and Shockey; 4 in 2003: Johnson, Joseph, McDougle, and McGahee; 6 in 2004: Carey, Taylor, Vilma, Wilfork, Williams, and Winslow; 1 in 2005: Rolle; and 1 in 2006: Kelly Jennings).
 
2012-11-27 01:32:18 PM  

RminusQ: If the SEC runner-up drops to #5 in the rankings behind Oregon, Oregon will not be guaranteed a spot (#3 Florida qualifies under rule 5, so rule 6 does not apply).


If Florida finishes #3, Oregon won't get a guaranteed bid under rule 6 regardless of their finish.

With that out of the way, it seems that Oregon is a lock to the Fiesta Bowl at this point.
 
2012-11-27 02:33:51 PM  

Vegan T-Rex: srhp29: bulldg4life: Georgia would be 12-1 with victories over #1 ND, #2 Alabama, #4 Florida, and a loss on the road to #10 South Carolina

WTF? So Notre dame did lose a game?

No, but if Georgia wins the NC, it means they will have defeated ND.

Your reading comprehension and critical thinking: Not strong.


Sorry, but wouldn't Georgia play 14 games? You r math ability is not strong. That is why I was confused, because the record you gave them only took them throught the SEC Championship Game since they are 11-1 today, they would be 12-1 with a win Saturday.

Maybe try more brains and less snark and things will work out better for you, moron.
 
2012-11-27 02:37:49 PM  

srhp29: Vegan T-Rex: srhp29: bulldg4life: Georgia would be 12-1 with victories over #1 ND, #2 Alabama, #4 Florida, and a loss on the road to #10 South Carolina

WTF? So Notre dame did lose a game?

No, but if Georgia wins the NC, it means they will have defeated ND.

Your reading comprehension and critical thinking: Not strong.

Sorry, but wouldn't Georgia play 14 games? You r math ability is not strong. That is why I was confused, because the record you gave them only took them throught the SEC Championship Game since they are 11-1 today, they would be 12-1 with a win Saturday.

Maybe try more brains and less snark and things will work out better for you, moron.


Oh and by "You" I meant Bulldog4Life said they would be 12-1 when in fact if they had already won the title, they would be 13-1
 
2012-11-27 02:49:02 PM  

srhp29: Vegan T-Rex: srhp29: bulldg4life: Georgia would be 12-1 with victories over #1 ND, #2 Alabama, #4 Florida, and a loss on the road to #10 South Carolina

WTF? So Notre dame did lose a game?

No, but if Georgia wins the NC, it means they will have defeated ND.

Your reading comprehension and critical thinking: Not strong.

Sorry, but wouldn't Georgia play 14 games? You r math ability is not strong. That is why I was confused, because the record you gave them only took them throught the SEC Championship Game since they are 11-1 today, they would be 12-1 with a win Saturday.

Maybe try more brains and less snark and things will work out better for you, moron.


Boy, what an interesting argument of semantics this is
 
2012-11-27 03:17:20 PM  
Oh god, I got the numbers wrong. It's the end of the world.

My point stands. A one loss Alabama/Georgia would have an infinitely better resume than OSU.
 
2012-11-27 03:42:48 PM  

bulldg4life: Oh god, I got the numbers wrong. It's the end of the world.

My point stands. A one loss Alabama/Georgia would have an infinitely better resume than OSU.


I know, the response to my joke towards you was a little over the top.

The 12-1 record is what confused me and the other guy just threw a little hissy even though I was merely joking with you.

And a two loss Alablam or Georgia has a better resume than tOSU this year. Their schedule is a joke in comparison to a lot of better teams than they are that have losses.
 
2012-11-27 03:44:55 PM  

birchman: Saban is a whiney biatch. Wasn't he complaining about Oregon playing too fast earlier this year and how it was dangerous or something?


The irony there is that Saban won't quit scheduling teams OOC that are far inferior physically to his...but hey, that's not dangerous...Playing fast is dangerous.

The guy is a sleeze bag hypocrite.
 
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