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(Breitbart.com)   Zombie Breitbart is OUTRAGED that the woman they spent weeks trying to make into the face of promiscuous women is a finalist for Time Person of the Year   (breitbart.com ) divider line
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2012-11-27 10:20:48 AM  

skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.


Okay. No hypocrisy there, Rush.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:58 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


There once was a term for people who blatantly misrepresented the words of someone else to intentionally mislead people about that persons position.
What was it?
Oh yeah....
Being a liar.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to lying about young women to further your own political agenda.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:59 AM  

Smackledorfer: Paradise here we come.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-27 10:22:00 AM  

Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

Okay. No hypocrisy there, Rush.


What hypocrisy? I'm not Rush. If I were I'd pay someone to post on Fark for me rather than be paid by Fark to do so... I've said too much.
 
2012-11-27 10:22:51 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Here is example of a real woman fighting real oppression. Not the Fluke roadshow.

You may have forgotten, Neda Soltani killed in Iran revolution

Link


You know, as opposed to fake women fighting fake oppression. Don't pull that "well this thing is worse, so your argument is invalid." Just because something is worse elsewhere doesn't mean everything not as bad as that is OK or not worth talking about.
 
2012-11-27 10:22:59 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


Sigh.

The person she was testifying about *paid* for that insurance. They wouldn't provide the coverage they promised, and she's a 1) whiner and 2) whore wanting the govt to pay for her condoms?

Why do you hate Capitalism? Why can she not demand the coverage she was promised from the company she *pays* to do so?

Was chapping Sandra Fluke worth losing an election for?
 
2012-11-27 10:24:01 AM  

skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.


So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?
 
2012-11-27 10:24:28 AM  
Anybody can be Time Person of the Year? Weren't YOU Time Person of the Year a couple years ago?


/they stumbled by being pussy and not naming Bin Laden in 2001. Love, hate or indifferent, dude changed the world.
 
2012-11-27 10:24:43 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?


You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery. I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.

You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.

Anyway, I like you. And because I like you, I feel compelled to tell you that white knighting Sandra Fluke will not lead to her farking you. And even if she did fark you, she'd scrape the baby out of her uterus and make you pay for the procedure.
 
2012-11-27 10:26:27 AM  

Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?


dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?
 
2012-11-27 10:26:29 AM  

skullkrusher: Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

Okay. No hypocrisy there, Rush.

What hypocrisy? I'm not Rush. If I were I'd pay someone to post on Fark for me rather than be paid by Fark to do so... I've said too much.


I didn't call you Rush. I was referring to Rush Limbaugh. He's a famous disk jockey. On the radio.
 
2012-11-27 10:26:34 AM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?

You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery. I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.

You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.

Anyway, I like you. And because I like you, I feel compelled to tell you that white knighting Sandra Fluke will not lead to her farking you. And even if she did fark you, she'd scrape the baby out of her uterus and make you pay for the procedure.


Should I have to pay for your mental health treatments?
 
2012-11-27 10:27:20 AM  

Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

Okay. No hypocrisy there, Rush.

What hypocrisy? I'm not Rush. If I were I'd pay someone to post on Fark for me rather than be paid by Fark to do so... I've said too much.

I didn't call you Rush. I was referring to Rush Limbaugh. He's a famous disk jockey. On the radio.


he sings Tom Sawyer, right?
 
2012-11-27 10:27:20 AM  

Polly Ester: You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery.


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Polly Ester: You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.


Again. She testified about polycistic ovary syndrome, a very real disorder that can cause infertility and significant hormonal imbalances if untreated... BY BIRTH CONTROL MEDICATION.

Stop being a pathetic liar dancing around the actual facts of what she said. She didn't say anything about condoms. She didn't say anything about the school paying for condoms. You are lying when you repeat these things.
 
2012-11-27 10:27:55 AM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?

You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery. I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.

You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.

Anyway, I like you. And because I like you, I feel compelled to tell you that white knighting Sandra Fluke will not lead to her farking you. And even if she did fark you, she'd scrape the baby out of her uterus and make you pay for the procedure.


Wow, you really are good at dodging and weaving and deflecting. Actually answering a simple question? Not so much.
 
2012-11-27 10:29:05 AM  

skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?

dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?


Any health insurance offered by a "religious" employer like a university that denies hormonal birth control or otherwise requires draconian and HIPAA-bending measures to make sure patients can't possibly use it for birth control and have to prove to bureaucrats it's really for personal health issues?

You know, like... the case at hand.
 
2012-11-27 10:29:49 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


They are. Health insurance is *part of your compensation*. It is PAYMENT YOU ARE GETTING. Or, rather, something you are getting *in leiu* of higher pay.

And amazingly, a lot of people take it for non-sex related reasons. Like, say, controlling Ovarian Cysts.

Which was, if you, you know, bothered to actually inform yourself, what she was talking about. In fact, she wasn't even talking about *herself*, but a friend who'd had her birth control (for ovarian cysts) denied, and had, if I remember correctly, been forced to have an ovary *removed* because of that. She was citing how excessive religiosity could, in fact, harm people with *LEGITIMATE HEALTH ISSUES*.

There is, amazingly, a stigma still attatched to being a 20-something, 30 something, 40 something year old child. It's why a lot of people in this thread aren't terribly happy with republicans.

/Or other people who cling to political ideas they formed when they were *twelve*.
 
2012-11-27 10:34:08 AM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?

You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery. I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.

You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.

Anyway, I like you. And because I like you, I feel compelled to tell you that white knighting Sandra Fluke will not lead to her farking you. And even if she did fark you, she'd scrape the baby out of her uterus and make you pay for the procedure.


Why don't you explain to us why birth control should not be covered by insurance? It's a pill that stops a medical condition from happening, the same way high blood pressure medication stops a medical condition from happening?Try not to get distracted by boob jobs and other strawmen when answering.
 
2012-11-27 10:34:10 AM  
People should really shut the fark up with the "Do I have to pay for....." shiat. You pay the same amount in taxes, the same amount in health insurance whether or not someone gets free birth control or a couple hundred a month in welfare. You don't get a bill in the mail itemized as "Suzie the Slut's morning after pills ".

If you were half as loud about your tax dollars going towards new ICBMs we will never use or billions going to foreign aid to countries that hate us, you might have a point about your precious tax dollars.
 
2012-11-27 10:35:17 AM  
I think Fluke is an amazing and notable person but person of year, I don't think so.


I would vote for Xi Jinping (new Chinese President)

or

Salman Khan

or

Elon Musk
 
2012-11-27 10:35:25 AM  

Bloody William: skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?

dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?

Any health insurance offered by a "religious" employer like a university that denies hormonal birth control or otherwise requires draconian and HIPAA-bending measures to make sure patients can't possibly use it for birth control and have to prove to bureaucrats it's really for personal health issues?

You know, like... the case at hand.


IIRC, in Fluke's case, Georgetown DID offer insurance which covered hormonal BC for treatment of conditions indications. I don't know of any measures taken to make sure a patient can't use it for birth control.

"For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor."

That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.
 
2012-11-27 10:37:55 AM  
I just read a few of the comments... breitbart commenters seem like the type to be wearing tinfoil hats so Obama cannot invade their minds. Seriously, do you have to be a conspiracy theorist to gain posting privileges there?
 
2012-11-27 10:38:08 AM  
Fluke is as your parents once said:

Free
White
And 21 (now with Birth control safety )

What the big deal here ? Privileged white women are always "Person of the year."

// Is that better.
///Climb out of the echo chamber.
Link
 
2012-11-27 10:39:10 AM  

stoli n coke: Yep. In the months following this, she got Republican leaders and actual lawmakers to publicly admit they don't know how birth control pills or even female anatomy works and even got candidates addressing the lighter side of rape, costing them 2 races.


This was probably the most embarrassing part---the Breitbart crowd giving away that they don't know basic things about girls. And using their national megaphone, no less.

It was astonishing to watch Internet people angrily shout, "I never dated a woman" in so many words, without even noticing this implication until it was irretrievably part of the national conversation. It's like they all chiseled their name in a granite monument to dateless wonders because Rush Limbaugh told them to.

The rest of the anti-woman rhetoric made them look like tards, but they really believe that stuff, and probably aren't too mortified about their beliefs being spoken aloud. They may feel bad about that stuff, but it doesn't cast them as basement-dwelling losers.
 
2012-11-27 10:44:18 AM  

skullkrusher: That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.


Haha, you're funny.

The insurance company will, when called on it, simply go "Ooops! You're right, our bad, here's the money for the prescription, bye!" And there's likely very little the person can do. Even if they get paid for the loss of their ovary or other issues, no one high up (who PUTS the policies in place) will be punished. Since apparently, a corporate 'person' can claim "Oh my god, I had no idea what my hand was doing when I stole that money! My hand totally acted on its own, and you can't really give me a serious punishment in any way."

Most of the time, they just hope people get tired of fighting it and don't go as far as they can, eat the loss, and the insurance company gets money for free. And, hey, most people have their health insurance through their school, their work, or their parents! It's not like they're gonna be *able* to switch companies. They just have to find the riiiggghhht balance of screwing their customers over, so the corporation/school doesn't switch away from them.

I spent an entire *year* getting a dental insurance company (Delta Dental) to pay for a procedure (filling) that was *ABSOLUTELY* covered by my insurance. First claim: I had used up/gone over the ammount they had to pay. Got all the bills from the dentist's office (the only one I had visited since I got the insurance), showed them this was not true (and that the procedure wouldn't have taken me over).

THEN they apparently started 'not getting' the insurance claims. It took my dentist's office filing 5 times, plus me calling the *VP OF THE COMPANY*, to get them to @#%# pay the bill.
(It was only $200, but I'm a grad student: That is not an amount I could shrug off. Also, it was the principal of the thing).

Thankfully, my school switched away from them to Aetna, in part due to a lot of students complaining. (Apparently, the Student Health Insurance office at my school takes their job *REALLY* seriously, and does very, very well. I'm fortunate in that regard. Many people aren't.)
 
2012-11-27 10:45:44 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Fluke is as your parents once said:

Free
White
And 21 (now with Birth control safety )

What the big deal here ? Privileged white women are always "Person of the year."

// Is that better.
///Climb out of the echo chamber.
Link


She's a 30-year-old law student whose friend lost her goddamn ovaries because of an illness that could have been treated by hormonal birth control blocked by the policies not of the insurance company but of the school.

Also, while it's nice you're finally recognizing the plight of Arab women without immediately saying the entire area should be bombed, she died three years ago. She's not in the running for person of the year this year. Do you see me complaining that Warren Zevon didn't win a grammy last year?
 
2012-11-27 10:46:22 AM  

Polly Ester: I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.


Ah yes, the "I don't want my insurance premiums to pay for other people's stuff" argument. Also, keep government out of my Medicare, amirite?
 
2012-11-27 10:48:50 AM  

Xcott: This was probably the most embarrassing part---the Breitbart crowd giving away that they don't know basic things about girls. And using their national megaphone, no less.


The irony was there for me considering I went to public schools and could estimate that in Junior High I knew more than them about womens reproduction than they did, yet they constantly rally at how we need Charter schools, more homeschooling and religious-based education and abstinence-only education.

For a generation it will be the gift that keeps on giving for the Democrats.
 
2012-11-27 10:49:42 AM  

Felgraf: I spent an entire *year* getting a dental insurance company (Delta Dental) to pay for a procedure (filling) that was *ABSOLUTELY* covered by my insurance. First claim: I had used up/gone over the ammount they had to pay. Got all the bills from the dentist's office (the only one I had visited since I got the insurance), showed them this was not true (and that the procedure wouldn't have taken me over).

THEN they apparently started 'not getting' the insurance claims. It took my dentist's office filing 5 times, plus me calling the *VP OF THE COMPANY*, to get them to @#%# pay the bill.
(It was only $200, but I'm a grad student: That is not an amount I could shrug off. Also, it was the principal of the thing).


Delta Dental? I believe it. Except for the part where you actually talked to a human being.
 
2012-11-27 10:53:12 AM  

TacoBeelzebub: The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?


IIRC, its even better yet...

She was asking for the STUDENT health insurance plan to cover birth control in the same manner that the EMPLOYEE/STAFF health insurance plan does.

Thats right. At G-Town it was A-Okay for the staff to get heathen, around the block sex murder drugs, but God sure as hell draws the line at adult students that are paying money to go there from getting the same treatment.
 
2012-11-27 10:54:28 AM  

Xcott: Delta Dental? I believe it. Except for the part where you actually talked to a human being.


Well, I should clarify, because I screwed up one detail; I did not talk to someone at Delta Dental. The health insurance office at my school got me in touch with the VP of GM-Southwest, who use Delta Dental for their dental insurance. *They* were able to get my claim to go through.

(The school's health insurance office implied that this was... happening *a lot*, which was one of the reasons they swapped. Didn't outright say it, mind, because they're probably not allowed to, but there were statements like "Ah, yes, we have a standard procedure for this now." )
 
2012-11-27 10:56:28 AM  

skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?

dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?

Any health insurance offered by a "religious" employer like a university that denies hormonal birth control or otherwise requires draconian and HIPAA-bending measures to make sure patients can't possibly use it for birth control and have to prove to bureaucrats it's really for personal health issues?

You know, like... the case at hand.

IIRC, in Fluke's case, Georgetown DID offer insurance which covered hormonal BC for treatment of conditions indications. I don't know of any measures taken to make sure a patient can't use it for birth control.

"For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor."

That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.


The school health plan administrators had final say over the doctor as to if they would choose to cover birth control. The admins usually denied any student request as it may lead to sexy sex sexing between the sexy sexes. This was the deal G-town required of the health insurance company.

They did not demand the same right of refusal with the staff health plans.
 
2012-11-27 10:56:45 AM  

wingnut396: TacoBeelzebub: The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?

IIRC, its even better yet...

She was asking for the STUDENT health insurance plan to cover birth control in the same manner that the EMPLOYEE/STAFF health insurance plan does.

Thats right. At G-Town it was A-Okay for the staff to get heathen, around the block sex murder drugs, but God sure as hell draws the line at adult students that are paying money to go there from getting the same treatment.


They keep lying about it. THEY KEEP farkING LYING ABOUT IT.

Sandra Fluke deserves to be person of the year if only because she tried to do something as simple and American as attempt to redress her grievances properly in the political system and she ended up being outright slandered by millions of ignorant farks who have called her a slut for the past year.
 
2012-11-27 10:56:49 AM  

Xcott: Felgraf: I spent an entire *year* getting a dental insurance company (Delta Dental) to pay for a procedure (filling) that was *ABSOLUTELY* covered by my insurance. First claim: I had used up/gone over the ammount they had to pay. Got all the bills from the dentist's office (the only one I had visited since I got the insurance), showed them this was not true (and that the procedure wouldn't have taken me over).

THEN they apparently started 'not getting' the insurance claims. It took my dentist's office filing 5 times, plus me calling the *VP OF THE COMPANY*, to get them to @#%# pay the bill.
(It was only $200, but I'm a grad student: That is not an amount I could shrug off. Also, it was the principal of the thing).

Delta Dental? I believe it. Except for the part where you actually talked to a human being.



Aw crap. My company just went to DD for 2013. This is going to be icky, isn't it?

I miss my BCBS dental already. I have heard tons of anecdotes regarding BCBS, but I've never a had problem with either my medical or dental insurance through them.

Thank FSM company kept BCBS for medical
 
2012-11-27 10:57:49 AM  

Felgraf: skullkrusher: That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.

Haha, you're funny.

The insurance company will, when called on it, simply go "Ooops! You're right, our bad, here's the money for the prescription, bye!" And there's likely very little the person can do. Even if they get paid for the loss of their ovary or other issues, no one high up (who PUTS the policies in place) will be punished. Since apparently, a corporate 'person' can claim "Oh my god, I had no idea what my hand was doing when I stole that money! My hand totally acted on its own, and you can't really give me a serious punishment in any way."

Most of the time, they just hope people get tired of fighting it and don't go as far as they can, eat the loss, and the insurance company gets money for free. And, hey, most people have their health insurance through their school, their work, or their parents! It's not like they're gonna be *able* to switch companies. They just have to find the riiiggghhht balance of screwing their customers over, so the corporation/school doesn't switch away from them.

I spent an entire *year* getting a dental insurance company (Delta Dental) to pay for a procedure (filling) that was *ABSOLUTELY* covered by my insurance. First claim: I had used up/gone over the ammount they had to pay. Got all the bills from the dentist's office (the only one I had visited since I got the insurance), showed them this was not true (and that the procedure wouldn't have taken me over).

THEN they apparently started 'not getting' the insurance claims. It took my dentist's office filing 5 times, plus me calling the *VP OF THE COMPANY*, to get them to @#%# pay the bill.
(It was only $200, but I'm a grad student: That is not an amount I could shrug off. Also, it was the principal of the thing).

Thankfully, my school switched away from them to Aetna, in part due to a lot of students complaining. (Apparently, the Student Health Insurance office at my ...


passing legislation that an insurance company must cover a prescription prescribed by a doctor in good standing if the patient's insurance covers that prescription for that indication is really not that outlandish at all
 
2012-11-27 10:59:33 AM  
What Catholic Farking "Charity" was Fluke asking to pay for her birth control?

In fact, the bulk of her testimony was about the usage of the so-called "pill" for purposes other than birth control. Her anecdotal story involved a friend who was medically required to use a high dollar birth control pill to control ovarian cysts. Her friend just happened to be a lesbian, who logic would dictate would have absolutely zero use for birth control pills as a means to actually prevent pregnancy.

Now, here's where Georgetown (and many other Catholic/Religious based institutions showed their true colors on the issue. If you were a Georgetown employee, the University offered to most, as part of their compensation package - 100% cost free medical insurance (co-pays and deductibles still applied, but the policy itself was provided for free.) INCLUDED in that University paid for health plan, was full coverage for birth control.

Now, the students at Georgetown were offered a plan, that they could purchase out of their own pockets, through the University which did NOT cover birth control.

The obvious difference here was not at all about coverage of birth control and it's moral/ethical issues, but rather the Universities attempt to control students (young women's) lives. Older faculty members, etc. they didn't have a problem with not only receiving birth control, but paying for it. For younger people, they wouldn't even allow for in a policy for which they contributed not one dime.
 
2012-11-27 11:00:00 AM  

wingnut396: skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?

dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?

Any health insurance offered by a "religious" employer like a university that denies hormonal birth control or otherwise requires draconian and HIPAA-bending measures to make sure patients can't possibly use it for birth control and have to prove to bureaucrats it's really for personal health issues?

You know, like... the case at hand.

IIRC, in Fluke's case, Georgetown DID offer insurance which covered hormonal BC for treatment of conditions indications. I don't know of any measures taken to make sure a patient can't use it for birth control.

"For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor."

That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.

The school health plan administrators had final say over the doctor as to if they would choose to cover birth control. The admins usually denied any student request as it may lead to sexy sex sexing between the sexy sexes. This was the deal G-town required of the health insurance company.

They did not demand the same right of refusal with the staff health plans.


also unacceptable. Your employer/school/whomever is offering the insurance should have no involvement with how your insurance is used. If you offer BC for treatment of disorders and an insured person's doctor prescribes BC for that indication, you (as the insurance offerer) should have no say whatsoever.
 
2012-11-27 11:04:17 AM  

Polly Ester: You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.


And you continue to misreport what Fluke's testimony was about, in spite of multiple posters correcting you.

There's a word for that: lying.
 
2012-11-27 11:04:54 AM  
Just because this needs to be restated:

1) Women will be paying for their own birth control because the insurance-negotiated price will be completely covered by a small portion of the woman's premium. It is not free, and no one else is paying for it.

2) Men (and women who do not use birth control) benefit from this rule because prenatal care, birth, postnatal care, and medical for the whole life of a child are a lot more expensive than the birth control (which, again, is costing no one but the woman using it).

3) Fluke's testimony focused on women who used birth control for medical conditions other than preventing pregnancy. The birth control (which, again, is costing no one but the woman using it) used in these cases is a lot cheaper than surgery or other medical intervention.

4) Women do not take a pill only before having sex. The number of pills has nothing to do with sexual activity - at all.
 
2012-11-27 11:05:28 AM  

skullkrusher: Your employer/school/whomever is offering the insurance should have no involvement with how your insurance is used.


That's. The key. To Fluke's. Testimony. That's the entire farking argument. That was the point of what she said! Goddammit, why has this not sunk in with anyone yet? It's not about condoms, it's not about schools paying for birth control, it's about the employer or school getting in the way of what health coverage is available to you! That's what she had a problem with! That's why she's been called a slut (and, strangely, a lesbian) for the past goddamn year.
 
2012-11-27 11:07:36 AM  

skullkrusher: passing legislation that an insurance company must cover a prescription prescribed by a doctor in good standing if the patient's insurance covers that prescription for that indication is really not that outlandish at all


Sure! Define 'in good standing'. Define the penalties if the health insurance company doesn't. Do we give them super-penalities even if it's a 'paperwork snafu'? Because if we don't... well, there's going to be a lot of 'honest' paperwork snafus.
 
2012-11-27 11:09:38 AM  

i43.photobucket.com

 
2012-11-27 11:10:23 AM  

shastacola: Try not to get distracted by boob jobs


I've tried. It didn't work.
 
2012-11-27 11:11:56 AM  

Bloody William: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Fluke is as your parents once said:

Free
White
And 21 (now with Birth control safety )

What the big deal here ? Privileged white women are always "Person of the year."

// Is that better.
///Climb out of the echo chamber.
Link

She's a 30-year-old law student whose friend lost her goddamn ovaries because of an illness that could have been treated by hormonal birth control blocked by the policies not of the insurance company but of the school.

Also, while it's nice you're finally recognizing the plight of Arab women without immediately saying the entire area should be bombed, she died three years ago. She's not in the running for person of the year this year. Do you see me complaining that Warren Zevon didn't win a grammy last year?


Zevon got robbed! Robbed, I tell you!
 
2012-11-27 11:20:42 AM  

skullkrusher: also unacceptable. Your employer/school/whomever is offering the insurance should have no involvement with how your insurance is used. If you offer BC for treatment of disorders and an insured person's doctor prescribes BC for that indication, you (as the insurance offerer) should have no say whatsoever.


You do realize, that is the whole point of Fluke's testimony. Georgetown can deny student access to medicines that can also be used for birth control. For speaking out against this, she got called a slut who had guys lined up around the block wanting sex as she did nothing but take birth control pills everyday. Her entire testimony was used a pissing platform for the Republican party and its shills to cry about having to give out 'free' (although the student still had to come up with copays, premiums and meet deductables) birth control for sex fiends.

Q. Are medications to prevent pregnancy covered when prescribed for treatment of a covered sickness?

A. Yes, your health care provider can document the medical necessity and a medical override for non-contraceptive reasons may allow for insurance coverage. To purchase such medications with your Pharmacy Card, ask providers outside of the GU Student Health Center (SHC) to complete the Medication Override Form and fax it to Gallagher Koster Insurance Agency, 617-479-0860. Note: The SHC will submit the Medication Override for you.
 
2012-11-27 11:24:54 AM  
Anyone else glad whats-his-name is dead?

Im farking glad, just a few hundred more Right Wing Loonies keeling over* and the world is instantly a better place


*from purely natural causes, up to and including God smiting them..
 
2012-11-27 11:26:14 AM  

wingnut396: You do realize, that is the whole point of Fluke's testimony. Georgetown can deny student access to medicines that can also be used for birth control. For speaking out against this, she got called a slut who had guys lined up around the block wanting sex as she did nothing but take birth control pills everyday. Her entire testimony was used a pissing platform for the Republican party and its shills to cry about having to give out 'free' (although the student still had to come up with copays, premiums and meet deductables) birth control for sex fiends.


that's fine - I have no problem with Fluke
 
2012-11-27 11:26:53 AM  

Felgraf: skullkrusher: passing legislation that an insurance company must cover a prescription prescribed by a doctor in good standing if the patient's insurance covers that prescription for that indication is really not that outlandish at all

Sure! Define 'in good standing'. Define the penalties if the health insurance company doesn't. Do we give them super-penalities even if it's a 'paperwork snafu'? Because if we don't... well, there's going to be a lot of 'honest' paperwork snafus.


like a doctor who is currently licensed and allowed to practice medicine?
 
2012-11-27 11:27:31 AM  

Bloody William: skullkrusher: Your employer/school/whomever is offering the insurance should have no involvement with how your insurance is used.

That's. The key. To Fluke's. Testimony. That's the entire farking argument. That was the point of what she said! Goddammit, why has this not sunk in with anyone yet? It's not about condoms, it's not about schools paying for birth control, it's about the employer or school getting in the way of what health coverage is available to you! That's what she had a problem with! That's why she's been called a slut (and, strangely, a lesbian) for the past goddamn year.


ok, and? You were talking about Viagra
 
2012-11-27 11:29:45 AM  

skullkrusher: Sure! Define 'in good standing'. Define the penalties if the health insurance company doesn't. Do we give them super-penalities even if it's a 'paperwork snafu'? Because if we don't... well, there's going to be a lot of 'honest' paperwork snafus.


Gyaaaah, for some reason I read that as 'patient in good standing' (as in, in good standing with the insurance company), which is where the fun game of "Preexisting conditions" can come to play. (Or, rather USED to be able to. That's gonna go away soon, which makes me happy-more for my fiance than for me.)

I misread, apologies.

That said, again, a lot use the "Oh we lost the paperwork/didn't get the claim/etc etc" excuse, hoping people will just drop the appeals. Because they can make more money that way. I do think the legislation is working on fixing that (including the ones forcing them to become more transparent), but its slow going. Despite my snark, I do keep up hope.
 
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