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(Breitbart.com)   Zombie Breitbart is OUTRAGED that the woman they spent weeks trying to make into the face of promiscuous women is a finalist for Time Person of the Year   (breitbart.com) divider line 219
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2012-11-27 08:11:34 AM  
farking kill yourself, Breitbart. Oh.
 
2012-11-27 08:18:52 AM  

Jackson Herring: farking kill yourself, Breitbart. Oh.


Done in one.
 
2012-11-27 08:19:37 AM  
Breitbart knows that you don't need birth control if you swallow.
 
2012-11-27 08:21:45 AM  
Bit of a shame he died prior to the election, watching him binge on cocaine and hate then die on live tv would have been an early Christmas for America.
 
2012-11-27 08:22:19 AM  
Person of the Year is not supposed to be a moral judgment, only a statement of impact. It is, however, true that Time has caved on this more than once in recent years, sometimes to note a lesser but more palatable candidate, and sometimes just to do something stupid (anyone else remember the "You" issue?)

Agree with Fluke or not, she definitely gets points for impact.
 
2012-11-27 08:22:45 AM  
What a surprise. A Republican organization that doesn't like the idea of sex with girls.

RIP Breitbart. You died the way you lived. With cocaine in your blood and gay porn on your laptop.
 
2012-11-27 08:23:09 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-27 08:23:36 AM  
I wonder if Time contacts their Person of the Year candidates before running these issues... it seems to me that if I were Sandra Fluke and much of my year was spent being called really, really horrible things all over the internet, I wouldn't want to start the cycle all over again. But maybe she's braver than I.
 
2012-11-27 08:24:31 AM  
Many a f*ck is not being given.
 
2012-11-27 08:25:26 AM  
Fluke, of course, is the condom rights advocate turned Georgetown Law School martyr who testified before Congress about the hardships encountered by young female law school students who couldn't afford to pay for their own birth control pills. Rush Limbaugh ripped her, prompting faux outcry from the left, all the way up to President Obama, who seized on the incident as proof that the right was waging some sort of war on women, as opposed to a battle against pathetic dependency on government. Obama called her personally, then used her as a campaign surrogate.


Uhh, I guess just refer to the initial comment in this thread.
 
2012-11-27 08:25:37 AM  
Dammit! I accidentally clicked a Breitbart link!
 
2012-11-27 08:26:39 AM  

Millennium: Person of the Year is not supposed to be a moral judgment, only a statement of impact. It is, however, true that Time has caved on this more than once in recent years, sometimes to note a lesser but more palatable candidate, and sometimes just to do something stupid (anyone else remember the "You" issue?)

Agree with Fluke or not, she definitely gets points for impact.


This.

Jackson Herring: farking kill yourself, Breitbart. Oh.


And this.
 
2012-11-27 08:27:02 AM  
Some of their choices in the past have been very poor.

Choosing someone who was smeared for testifying before Congress? Could do worse, but could do better.
 
2012-11-27 08:27:54 AM  

MonkeyAngst: But maybe she's braver than I.


I expect once they've done their worst, and you realize that being called names is not going to kill you, it probably steels your resolve to push back against the idiocy.
 
2012-11-27 08:28:01 AM  
The whole Fluke thing is the greatest troll ever pulled on the Republicans, and it is still paying off.
 
2012-11-27 08:28:11 AM  
Until Breitbart links are Scratch and Sniff, don't click on putrefaction central.
 
2012-11-27 08:28:30 AM  
Some of the comments on that article are sickening
 
2012-11-27 08:28:34 AM  
Zombie Breitbart can go back to hell where he belongs.
 
2012-11-27 08:28:54 AM  

MonkeyAngst: But maybe she's braver than I.


Well she *is* Time Magazine's Person of the Year, after all.
 
2012-11-27 08:29:28 AM  

Zasteva: Dammit! I accidentally clicked a Breitbart link!


Burn your computer. Its the only way to be sure of removing the corruption.
 
2012-11-27 08:29:35 AM  
The Weeners by one 'MELVIN_UDALL' claims this was a Leftist set-up planned before Fluke entered post-secondary, one that includes her choice of fiance. The implication never occurs to Tea-dullards that, as Rush was a large (heh...) part of pushing her into the national spotlight he too was either in on the plot or a malleable stooge. 

Wolverines!
 
2012-11-27 08:29:37 AM  
If it weren't it for hypocritical rightwing prudery, she wouldn't be a finalist.
 
2012-11-27 08:31:26 AM  

neenerist: The Weeners ....

Wolverines!

 
2012-11-27 08:33:31 AM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-27 08:34:17 AM  

neenerist: The Weeners by one 'MELVIN_UDALL' claims this was a Leftist set-up planned before Fluke entered post-secondary, one that includes her choice of fiance. The implication never occurs to Tea-dullards that, as Rush was a large (heh...) part of pushing her into the national spotlight he too was either in on the plot or a malleable stooge. 

Wolverines!


Oh god. Melvin Udall? That's guy's a famous troll from way back in the various LiveJournal Politics forums inception.
 
2012-11-27 08:35:08 AM  

Alphax: Some of their choices in the past have been very poor.

Choosing someone who was smeared for testifying before Congress? Could do worse, but could do better.


And by standing up to the repubes and their talking heads, she guaranteed a majority of women would vote for Obama. One of the key individuals in getting the president re-elected. No wonder the repubes hate her.
 
2012-11-27 08:36:00 AM  
Bah. Everyone knows Andrew Breitbart deserves Person of the Year. The man martyred himself this year, sacrificing his health and even life to fight the libs who are destroying Baby Jesus' Supply Side America. Instead we get a floozy slut who pops birth control pills like Pez.

And don't start in with the cocaine cracks. He needed it and was prescribed it to treat a medical condition. The man was just too nice and needed heavy doses of Powdered Douchebag to balance him out.
 
2012-11-27 08:37:14 AM  
Rush Limbaugh ripped her

Don't have enough conviction to write exactly what Rush said, eh?

Conservative "principles", ladies and gentlemen!
 
2012-11-27 08:38:48 AM  

DoomPaul: [i47.tinypic.com image 720x960]


But it's fine and dandy for insurance companies to cover things like Viagra and Cialis right?
 
2012-11-27 08:38:50 AM  

Jorn the Younger: Some of the comments on that article are sickening


I'm not clicking on a Breitbart link, but I'm sure she's being called a slut/whore who only wants free contraception because she can't keep her legs closed. Conservatives will never understand why people feel sickened and want nothing to do with them when they spew their hatred.
 
2012-11-27 08:43:49 AM  

ManRay: The whole Fluke thing is the greatest troll ever pulled on the Republicans, and it is still paying off.


That there is an investment that is going to be giving a solid return for decades.

The Democrats just couldn't line up the Fundamentalists in just the right way to make it look like they were trying to deny rights to half of the voting populace. They tried with the anti-abortion movement but even then at its most radical they managed to screw it up; it didn't directly affect potential voters on a day-to-day basis like birth control does.

But Sandra Fluke.....that was the football the GOP willingly carried into their own end zone, and by Rush Limbaugh no less. Their brief victory dance was just delicious to watch. I realized even way back then that this was a story that had legs and as everyone was emitting a gasp I had a smile you couldn't get off my face. It was the beginning of the Great GOP Detonation of 2012.
 
2012-11-27 08:44:12 AM  

Kibbler: If it weren't it for hypocritical rightwing prudery, she wouldn't be a finalist.


Pretty much this. They made her famous.
 
2012-11-27 08:44:56 AM  
Pauline Kael unavailable for comment.
 
2012-11-27 08:45:02 AM  
Why aren't these world renowned experts in the field of women's birth control in the running?

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-11-27 08:46:17 AM  

Mrtraveler01: DoomPaul: [i47.tinypic.com image 720x960]

But it's fine and dandy for insurance companies to cover things like Viagra and Cialis right?


We should have a single payer system that covers birth control and abortions as well. I just wanted an excuse to post that picture.
 
2012-11-27 08:47:47 AM  

DoomPaul: Mrtraveler01: DoomPaul: [i47.tinypic.com image 720x960]

But it's fine and dandy for insurance companies to cover things like Viagra and Cialis right?

We should have a single payer system that covers birth control and abortions as well. I just wanted an excuse to post that picture.


My bad.
 
2012-11-27 08:51:54 AM  

shastacola: Jorn the Younger: Some of the comments on that article are sickening

I'm not clicking on a Breitbart link, but I'm sure she's being called a slut/whore who only wants free contraception because she can't keep her legs closed. Conservatives will never understand why people feel sickened and want nothing to do with them when they spew their hatred.


The part of that whole mess that gave me the most dark humor was Limbaugh's implication that the readson Fluke needs the taxpayers to pay for her birth control is that she's a massive slut who can't afford all the pills she has to use on her own.

So either Limbaugh doesn't know how birth control pills work, or (more likely) he's playing on the fact that the dumbasses who listen to his show don't.
 
2012-11-27 08:52:01 AM  
www.history.ucsb.edu
 
2012-11-27 08:54:55 AM  

Millennium: Person of the Year is not supposed to be a moral judgment, only a statement of impact. It is, however, true that Time has caved on this more than once in recent years, sometimes to note a lesser but more palatable candidate, and sometimes just to do something stupid (anyone else remember the "You" issue?)


www.listphile.com

/just like your opinion, man
 
2012-11-27 08:57:15 AM  
Here is example of a real woman fighting real oppression. Not the Fluke roadshow.

You may have forgotten, Neda Soltani killed in Iran revolution

Link
 
2012-11-27 08:59:29 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Here is example of a real woman fighting real oppression. Not the Fluke roadshow.

You may have forgotten, Neda Soltani killed in Iran revolution

Link


She really is the only women who should ever be honored again in human history.
 
2012-11-27 09:00:21 AM  

Zasteva: Dammit! I accidentally clicked a Breitbart link!


I didn't. F%ck that place. You now have a zombie mascot..Go!!


hateful, hateful people
 
2012-11-27 09:00:52 AM  

Skarekrough: ManRay: The whole Fluke thing is the greatest troll ever pulled on the Republicans, and it is still paying off.

That there is an investment that is going to be giving a solid return for decades.

The Democrats just couldn't line up the Fundamentalists in just the right way to make it look like they were trying to deny rights to half of the voting populace. They tried with the anti-abortion movement but even then at its most radical they managed to screw it up; it didn't directly affect potential voters on a day-to-day basis like birth control does.

But Sandra Fluke.....that was the football the GOP willingly carried into their own end zone, and by Rush Limbaugh no less. Their brief victory dance was just delicious to watch. I realized even way back then that this was a story that had legs and as everyone was emitting a gasp I had a smile you couldn't get off my face. It was the beginning of the Great GOP Detonation of 2012.


Yep. In the months following this, she got Republican leaders and actual lawmakers to publicly admit they don't know how birth control pills or even female anatomy works and even got candidates addressing the lighter side of rape, costing them 2 races.

Forgive the pun, but this was the Democrats' Trojan Horse to draw out fundies and expose their pig-ignorance to the rest of the electorate.
 
2012-11-27 09:03:55 AM  

Millennium: Person of the Year is not supposed to be a moral judgment, only a statement of impact. It is, however, true that Time has caved on this more than once in recent years, sometimes to note a lesser but more palatable candidate, and sometimes just to do something stupid (anyone else remember the "You" issue?)

Agree with Fluke or not, she definitely gets points for impact.


Yeah, Time wanted Osama bin Laden for 2001's Man of the Year, but they played it safe and went with (I think) Rudy Giuliani.
 
2012-11-27 09:04:28 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Here is example of a real woman fighting real oppression. Not the Fluke roadshow.

You may have forgotten, Neda Soltani killed in Iran revolution

Link


Who should we designate as the man who fights "real" oppression since we can only pick one.
 
2012-11-27 09:05:05 AM  

stoli n coke:

RIP Breitbart. You died the way you lived. With cocaine in your blood and gay porn on your laptop.


According to the Rightwingistan residents, Obama had Not-Too-Breitbart snuffed because of the college video.

This is what Republicans really believe...
 
2012-11-27 09:05:37 AM  

stoli n coke: Skarekrough: ManRay: The whole Fluke thing is the greatest troll ever pulled on the Republicans, and it is still paying off.

That there is an investment that is going to be giving a solid return for decades.

The Democrats just couldn't line up the Fundamentalists in just the right way to make it look like they were trying to deny rights to half of the voting populace. They tried with the anti-abortion movement but even then at its most radical they managed to screw it up; it didn't directly affect potential voters on a day-to-day basis like birth control does.

But Sandra Fluke.....that was the football the GOP willingly carried into their own end zone, and by Rush Limbaugh no less. Their brief victory dance was just delicious to watch. I realized even way back then that this was a story that had legs and as everyone was emitting a gasp I had a smile you couldn't get off my face. It was the beginning of the Great GOP Detonation of 2012.

Yep. In the months following this, she got Republican leaders and actual lawmakers to publicly admit they don't know how birth control pills or even female anatomy works and even got candidates addressing the lighter side of rape, costing them 2 races.

Forgive the pun, but this was the Democrats' Trojan Horse to draw out fundies and expose their pig-ignorance to the rest of the electorate.


Nope, it was just a girl who the GOP turned into a cause because they hate women, and couldn't stop putting their foot in their mouth.

Obama then masterfully used a bit of rope a dope to control the narrative for the entire election, by just repeating what the GOP was saying. He hardly even had to campaign, they literately did all the work for him.
 
2012-11-27 09:06:35 AM  
The comments on the site are just so much Derp you can see how the right lost the election and has no real clue about what is happening in the rest of the world.

/Soros is completely responsible for the Obama win
//In Italy
 
2012-11-27 09:06:49 AM  
The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?
 
2012-11-27 09:09:44 AM  

TacoBeelzebub: The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?


FEAR THE VAG
 
2012-11-27 09:11:05 AM  

TacoBeelzebub: The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?


The GOP aren't really scared,they just think women need to be punished for being sexually active.
 
2012-11-27 09:14:56 AM  

incendi: Fluke, of course, is the condom rights advocate turned Georgetown Law School martyr who testified before Congress about the hardships encountered by young female law school students who couldn't afford to pay for their own birth control pills. Rush Limbaugh ripped her, prompting faux outcry from the left, all the way up to President Obama, who seized on the incident as proof that the right was waging some sort of war on women, as opposed to a battle against pathetic dependency on government. Obama called her personally, then used her as a campaign surrogate.


Uhh, I guess just refer to the initial comment in this thread.


Yeah I don't really get how they're still clinging to the idea that it's all about condoms (well I suppose Rush is to blame for that)... but seriously, the ignorance of the right wing when it comes to many other necessary uses of the BC pill, uses that matter regardless of sexual activity, is astounding.
 
2012-11-27 09:18:35 AM  

shastacola: TacoBeelzebub: The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?

The GOP aren't really scared,they just think women need to be punished for being sexually active.


I never understood a supposed group of straight people taking that position.
Then again, as a friend said, if 10-year old boys could get pregnant, those priests that were making all the fuss over this would be handing out BC pills with every communion.
 
2012-11-27 09:24:52 AM  
The Right Wing Noise Machine® took an unremarkable government functionary (Elizabeth Warren) and turned her into a United States Senator.

By all means, Deadmoran, let's keep talking about how horrible this young, bright, charismatic attorney is.

\ and how Romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough
\\ oh yeah, and don't throw me into the briar patch!
 
2012-11-27 09:25:58 AM  
 
2012-11-27 09:27:48 AM  

TacoBeelzebub: Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?


Many Republicans cling to a 2000-year-old moral code that tells them sex is naughty and should only be done in ways that aren't any fun, and that produce children inside a heterosexual marriage. They simply can't stand the fact that other folks are out there enjoying themselves, using sex non-procreatively. As a result, they try to stamp out anything that might encourage or be related to such behavior: birth control, porn, abortions, gay marriage, etc. It's a classic case of "I've decided that I can't have what you have therefore I'll prevent you from having it." It's a foolish, childish notion, like basically all of the GOP platform.
 
2012-11-27 09:34:35 AM  
I like promiscuous women.
 
2012-11-27 09:34:50 AM  

Antimatter: stoli n coke: Skarekrough: ManRay: The whole Fluke thing is the greatest troll ever pulled on the Republicans, and it is still paying off.

That there is an investment that is going to be giving a solid return for decades.

The Democrats just couldn't line up the Fundamentalists in just the right way to make it look like they were trying to deny rights to half of the voting populace. They tried with the anti-abortion movement but even then at its most radical they managed to screw it up; it didn't directly affect potential voters on a day-to-day basis like birth control does.

But Sandra Fluke.....that was the football the GOP willingly carried into their own end zone, and by Rush Limbaugh no less. Their brief victory dance was just delicious to watch. I realized even way back then that this was a story that had legs and as everyone was emitting a gasp I had a smile you couldn't get off my face. It was the beginning of the Great GOP Detonation of 2012.

Yep. In the months following this, she got Republican leaders and actual lawmakers to publicly admit they don't know how birth control pills or even female anatomy works and even got candidates addressing the lighter side of rape, costing them 2 races.

Forgive the pun, but this was the Democrats' Trojan Horse to draw out fundies and expose their pig-ignorance to the rest of the electorate.

Nope, it was just a girl who the GOP turned into a cause because they hate women, and couldn't stop putting their foot in their mouth.

Obama then masterfully used a bit of rope a dope to control the narrative for the entire election, by just repeating what the GOP was saying. He hardly even had to campaign, they literately did all the work for him.


I kind of disagree.

When the story broke the GOP was in the process of realizing that they'd done very little but be obstructionist for four years, both for the sake of denying Obama a second term but also for slowing down the Tea Partiers as much as they could.

It was important of them to acknowledge what their party stood for. It wasn't so much anti-women at its onset as it was pro-free market for insurance, pro-over-reaching rights for religious orgs coupled with some anti-intellectualism in the form of a college student who could be easily vilified as being a freeloader in a 20k-plus a semester college crying poor about paying for medical necessities.

And the Tea Partiers they so solidly tried to keep sequestered pounced at the chance to hold her up as the posterchild of what Entitled America looks like.

This all wouldn't have been a story had they not gone, time and time again, held her up and asked America "Isn't this what is wrong with America?" And America largely said "No."

In the long-term the Tea Party is going to be the gift that keeps on giving. The harder they whip up their supporters to make a spectacle of themselves the more the Democrats are going to look better to the majority of voters.
 
2012-11-27 09:35:38 AM  
Good. We should encourage all women to sleep with so many men only the u.s. government could afford that much birth control.

Paradise here we come.
 
2012-11-27 09:37:35 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: TacoBeelzebub: Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?

Many Republicans cling to a 2000-year-old moral code that tells them sex is naughty and should only be done in ways that aren't any fun, and that produce children inside a heterosexual marriage. They simply can't stand the fact that other folks are out there enjoying themselves, using sex non-procreatively. As a result, they try to stamp out anything that might encourage or be related to such behavior: birth control, porn, abortions, gay marriage, etc. It's a classic case of "I've decided that I can't have what you have therefore I'll prevent you from having it." It's a foolish, childish notion, like basically all of the GOP platform.


Well, to borrow one of the GOP's favorite phrases "I got mine, so Fark You."
 
2012-11-27 09:37:53 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Here is example of a real woman fighting real oppression. Not the Fluke roadshow.

You may have forgotten, Neda Soltani killed in Iran revolution

Link


So she was attacked by conservative hardliners too, eh?
 
2012-11-27 09:39:04 AM  

Smackledorfer: Good. We should encourage all women to sleep with so many men only the u.s. government could afford that much birth control.

Paradise here we come.


Nope. Even under those ideal conditions, you still wouldn't get any.
 
2012-11-27 09:40:33 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: So she was attacked by conservative hardliners too, eh?


C'mon, there's a difference. She was scapegoated by followers of a backward, misogynist ideology that demands submission from women, and the other one...wait, which one's the other one again?
 
2012-11-27 09:40:58 AM  
While her actions, by testifying before congress, did have an impact on the United States, it hasn't had much of a world impact. While I like what she did, and the impact she had - exposing many more prominent Republican pundits and politicians as anti-woman - I feel the same way about her being on the list as I do Paul Ryan on there, whom I do not like. The influence is local, and ultimately very minor, particularly in comparison to several others on there. The person who got my vote is Malala, the young girl who desired an education and got shot in the head by the Taliban for it, because the impact her actions did and will continue to have reverberate around the entire f*cking planet.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if the people who work at Breitbart, American Thinker, WorldNetDaily, etc. are outraged that SHE is on the list of finalists as well, because thanks to Fluke we know now that their stance on women is about equal to their stance on Muslims.
 
2012-11-27 09:41:41 AM  
Viagra is covered though, right? Right, Rush?
 
2012-11-27 09:42:17 AM  
There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.
 
2012-11-27 09:44:03 AM  

theknuckler_33: Rush Limbaugh ripped her

Don't have enough conviction to write exactly what Rush said, eh?

Conservative "principles", ladies and gentlemen!


I don't know if it's lack of conviction, or simply embarrassment at the fact that Limbaugh's comments displayed a shocking lack of knowledge of basic female physiology. That, and the fact that he used a bizarrely 18th century insult like "round-heeled." WhoTF says that?
 
2012-11-27 09:44:09 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


So you don't carry any health insurance and pay for all your procedures and prescriptions yourself right?
 
2012-11-27 09:46:17 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


Didn't there used to be a stigma to being a sore loser?
 
2012-11-27 09:46:46 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


Ramping it up for 2016 this early?

Hush now....you'll burn yourself out before you hand us the mid-terms.
 
2012-11-27 09:49:08 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: In case you forgot...

[ivn.us image 850x442]


that's the first time I've noticed they had the GOP's chosen rabbi there, never mind that most forms of Judaism allow for some form of abortion. Even the most strict say with in the first 40 days and at any time should the mothers life be in danger the life of the living mother is more important then the possible life of the fetus. I hope getting to play golf at their country clubs was worth it
 
2012-11-27 09:50:07 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


Then you'll be glad to know that she was paying her own insurance premiums and drug co-pays.
 
2012-11-27 09:51:20 AM  

Sgt Otter: Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.

Then you'll be glad to know that she was paying her own insurance premiums and drug co-pays.


Stop using facts to disprove what the man on my car's magic talking box told me.
 
2012-11-27 09:53:01 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So you don't carry any health insurance and pay for all your procedures and prescriptions yourself right?


I don't have to force a catholic charity to buy condoms for me.
 
2012-11-27 09:53:48 AM  

Skarekrough: But Sandra Fluke.....that was the football the GOP willingly carried into their own end zone, and by Rush Limbaugh no less. Their brief victory dance was just delicious to watch.


Seriously.

She was testifying in front of a bunch of Democrats rounded up look all official, not Congress. It was basically a press conference. The goal was to get her info into the news cycle and that was it. But the fundy wing of the Republican party bit on it hard and so far has not let go. It is amazing to watch.
 
2012-11-27 09:55:18 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.


I know I always feel tremendously immature when I look at the amount that is taken out of my paycheck for health insurance. It always makes me want to go out and screw around indiscriminately. I envy your maturity, being able to pay for your health care 100% out of pocket so that neither your employer nor the federal government bears any part of the cost. It must feel good to be that self-sufficient. I for one am relieved that my insurance premiums and tax dollars will not be put into any pool to pay for your eventual cancer treatments.
 
2012-11-27 09:55:40 AM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: So you don't carry any health insurance and pay for all your procedures and prescriptions yourself right?

I don't have to force a catholic charity to buy condoms for me.


What an interesting digression, but let's return to the topic at hand..

Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?
 
2012-11-27 09:55:43 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


Keep clinging to your dittohead mythology.
 
2012-11-27 09:55:46 AM  

Antimatter: stoli n coke: Skarekrough: ManRay: The whole Fluke thing is the greatest troll ever pulled on the Republicans, and it is still paying off.

That there is an investment that is going to be giving a solid return for decades.

The Democrats just couldn't line up the Fundamentalists in just the right way to make it look like they were trying to deny rights to half of the voting populace. They tried with the anti-abortion movement but even then at its most radical they managed to screw it up; it didn't directly affect potential voters on a day-to-day basis like birth control does.

But Sandra Fluke.....that was the football the GOP willingly carried into their own end zone, and by Rush Limbaugh no less. Their brief victory dance was just delicious to watch. I realized even way back then that this was a story that had legs and as everyone was emitting a gasp I had a smile you couldn't get off my face. It was the beginning of the Great GOP Detonation of 2012.

Yep. In the months following this, she got Republican leaders and actual lawmakers to publicly admit they don't know how birth control pills or even female anatomy works and even got candidates addressing the lighter side of rape, costing them 2 races.

Forgive the pun, but this was the Democrats' Trojan Horse to draw out fundies and expose their pig-ignorance to the rest of the electorate.

Nope, it was just a girl who the GOP turned into a cause because they hate women, and couldn't stop putting their foot in their mouth.

Obama then masterfully used a bit of rope a dope to control the narrative for the entire election, by just repeating what the GOP was saying. He hardly even had to campaign, they literately did all the work for him.


The GOP does seem to prefer that someone lie there while they do all the work.
 
2012-11-27 09:57:32 AM  
The birth control pill needs to be made available over the counter, put them right on the rack with condoms.

The entire world should be interested in making birth control widely and freely available, sterilization procedures should be free and easily accessible as well.
 
2012-11-27 09:58:11 AM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: So you don't carry any health insurance and pay for all your procedures and prescriptions yourself right?

I don't have to force a catholic charity to buy condoms for me.


Nobody has to force the Catholic Church to go into the health care business, either. If they decided to sell cars, they'd have to put in seat belts just like all the other auto makers. Deal with it.
 
2012-11-27 09:59:12 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Here is example of a real woman fighting real oppression. Not the Fluke roadshow.

You may have forgotten, Neda Soltani killed in Iran revolution

Link


Account created: 2012-09-20 07:24:58

You seem to know alot.
 
2012-11-27 09:59:29 AM  
As has been pointed out, the fact that Breitbart is no longer actively poisoning political discourse in this country is satisfying, however a glance at that site, the commenters on it, and the thousands just like it that are thriving as strongly as ever ought to give even the most vindictive Progressive pause for thought.
 
2012-11-27 09:59:41 AM  
Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.
 
2012-11-27 10:00:02 AM  

verbaltoxin: The GOP does seem to prefer that someone lie there while they do all the work.


That's weird, the GOP has done far more lying than working.
 
2012-11-27 10:04:22 AM  
Eat Fun Dip out of my ass.
 
2012-11-27 10:08:19 AM  
pictat.com
 
2012-11-27 10:09:41 AM  

zedster: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: In case you forgot...

[ivn.us image 850x442]

that's the first time I've noticed they had the GOP's chosen rabbi there, never mind that most forms of Judaism allow for some form of abortion. Even the most strict say with in the first 40 days and at any time should the mothers life be in danger the life of the living mother is more important then the possible life of the fetus. I hope getting to play golf at their country clubs was worth it


From a traditional and scriptural standpoint, I thought the general thought was that life begins at first breath. I don't know of any mainstream Jewish sect that believes the "life begins at conception" angle.

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: So you don't carry any health insurance and pay for all your procedures and prescriptions yourself right?

I don't have to force a catholic charity to buy condoms for me.


It's not condoms and it's not them buying. It's comprehensive medical coverage required. And, lest you continue to push this "Why can't she just buy condoms?" bullshiat, the entire reason she testified was because of birth control medication used for actual reproductive health, to stem ovarian cysts and prevent her friend from becoming farking sterile. So unless you know what polycistic ovary syndrome is and how it's treated, you're a goddamn fool repeating debunked lies and showing absolutely no understanding of Fluke's testimony.
 
2012-11-27 10:11:07 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: In case you forgot...

[ivn.us image 850x442]


They must like Dr. Mitchell.
 
2012-11-27 10:12:24 AM  
Wait a minute, promiscuous woman? I thought she was a frigid, man-hating lesbian:

mediamatters.org

mediamatters.org 

Oh wait, I'm being stupid: according to the far right, sluts and frigid, man-hating lesbians are the same thing.
 
2012-11-27 10:12:54 AM  
I was going to say that this is a stupid nominee but looking at the list, Fluke isn't even close to the worst pick

Ryan Gosling? Really?
 
2012-11-27 10:13:26 AM  

doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.


I just asked that. I think it is.
 
2012-11-27 10:14:04 AM  

Mrtraveler01: DoomPaul: [i47.tinypic.com image 720x960]

But it's fine and dandy for insurance companies to cover things like Viagra and Cialis right?


I think their reason is that those things treat a medical condition, although if you need a boner for anything except boning, I certainly don't know about it. Not to mention I'm pretty sure "pregnancy" is a medical condition.
 
2012-11-27 10:15:00 AM  
All conservative outrage is directed at not buying into their talking points.
 
2012-11-27 10:15:31 AM  

Bloody William: From a traditional and scriptural standpoint, I thought the general thought was that life begins at first breath. I don't know of any mainstream Jewish sect that believes the "life begins at conception" angle.


that's the most mainstream interpretation, I was commenting on the "strictest" orthodox who pulled the 40 day number out of their rear

I guess if 40 days is how long god had to kill all humanity (Noah) it's good enough for a pregnant woman
 
2012-11-27 10:17:51 AM  

Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.


I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.
 
2012-11-27 10:18:28 AM  

skullkrusher: I was going to say that this is a stupid nominee but looking at the list, Fluke isn't even close to the worst pick

Ryan Gosling? Really?


Feminism is in this year.

cdn.thedailybeast.com
 
2012-11-27 10:20:20 AM  

Antimatter: Obama then masterfully used a bit of rope a dope to control the narrative for the entire election, by just repeating what the GOP was saying. He hardly even had to campaign, they literately did all the work for him.


Huh---barely.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:22 AM  

incendi: skullkrusher: I was going to say that this is a stupid nominee but looking at the list, Fluke isn't even close to the worst pick

Ryan Gosling? Really?

Feminism is in this year.

[cdn.thedailybeast.com image 850x566]


I take my criticism back. He's a very handsome man.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:42 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Here is example of a real woman fighting real oppression. Not the Fluke roadshow.

You may have forgotten, Neda Soltani killed in Iran revolution

Link


Pretty sure she wasn't in the running for Time's Person of the Year this year.

And also pretty sure that "real" oppression comes in many flavors and lots of people can try to fix lots of things at different times. But you know that and are trying to muddy the waters. You twat.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:48 AM  

skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.


Okay. No hypocrisy there, Rush.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:58 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


There once was a term for people who blatantly misrepresented the words of someone else to intentionally mislead people about that persons position.
What was it?
Oh yeah....
Being a liar.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to lying about young women to further your own political agenda.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:59 AM  

Smackledorfer: Paradise here we come.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-27 10:22:00 AM  

Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

Okay. No hypocrisy there, Rush.


What hypocrisy? I'm not Rush. If I were I'd pay someone to post on Fark for me rather than be paid by Fark to do so... I've said too much.
 
2012-11-27 10:22:51 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Here is example of a real woman fighting real oppression. Not the Fluke roadshow.

You may have forgotten, Neda Soltani killed in Iran revolution

Link


You know, as opposed to fake women fighting fake oppression. Don't pull that "well this thing is worse, so your argument is invalid." Just because something is worse elsewhere doesn't mean everything not as bad as that is OK or not worth talking about.
 
2012-11-27 10:22:59 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


Sigh.

The person she was testifying about *paid* for that insurance. They wouldn't provide the coverage they promised, and she's a 1) whiner and 2) whore wanting the govt to pay for her condoms?

Why do you hate Capitalism? Why can she not demand the coverage she was promised from the company she *pays* to do so?

Was chapping Sandra Fluke worth losing an election for?
 
2012-11-27 10:24:01 AM  

skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.


So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?
 
2012-11-27 10:24:28 AM  
Anybody can be Time Person of the Year? Weren't YOU Time Person of the Year a couple years ago?


/they stumbled by being pussy and not naming Bin Laden in 2001. Love, hate or indifferent, dude changed the world.
 
2012-11-27 10:24:43 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?


You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery. I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.

You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.

Anyway, I like you. And because I like you, I feel compelled to tell you that white knighting Sandra Fluke will not lead to her farking you. And even if she did fark you, she'd scrape the baby out of her uterus and make you pay for the procedure.
 
2012-11-27 10:26:27 AM  

Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?


dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?
 
2012-11-27 10:26:29 AM  

skullkrusher: Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

Okay. No hypocrisy there, Rush.

What hypocrisy? I'm not Rush. If I were I'd pay someone to post on Fark for me rather than be paid by Fark to do so... I've said too much.


I didn't call you Rush. I was referring to Rush Limbaugh. He's a famous disk jockey. On the radio.
 
2012-11-27 10:26:34 AM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?

You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery. I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.

You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.

Anyway, I like you. And because I like you, I feel compelled to tell you that white knighting Sandra Fluke will not lead to her farking you. And even if she did fark you, she'd scrape the baby out of her uterus and make you pay for the procedure.


Should I have to pay for your mental health treatments?
 
2012-11-27 10:27:20 AM  

Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

Okay. No hypocrisy there, Rush.

What hypocrisy? I'm not Rush. If I were I'd pay someone to post on Fark for me rather than be paid by Fark to do so... I've said too much.

I didn't call you Rush. I was referring to Rush Limbaugh. He's a famous disk jockey. On the radio.


he sings Tom Sawyer, right?
 
2012-11-27 10:27:20 AM  

Polly Ester: You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery.


[wickerman.jpg]

Polly Ester: You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.


Again. She testified about polycistic ovary syndrome, a very real disorder that can cause infertility and significant hormonal imbalances if untreated... BY BIRTH CONTROL MEDICATION.

Stop being a pathetic liar dancing around the actual facts of what she said. She didn't say anything about condoms. She didn't say anything about the school paying for condoms. You are lying when you repeat these things.
 
2012-11-27 10:27:55 AM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?

You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery. I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.

You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.

Anyway, I like you. And because I like you, I feel compelled to tell you that white knighting Sandra Fluke will not lead to her farking you. And even if she did fark you, she'd scrape the baby out of her uterus and make you pay for the procedure.


Wow, you really are good at dodging and weaving and deflecting. Actually answering a simple question? Not so much.
 
2012-11-27 10:29:05 AM  

skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?

dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?


Any health insurance offered by a "religious" employer like a university that denies hormonal birth control or otherwise requires draconian and HIPAA-bending measures to make sure patients can't possibly use it for birth control and have to prove to bureaucrats it's really for personal health issues?

You know, like... the case at hand.
 
2012-11-27 10:29:49 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


They are. Health insurance is *part of your compensation*. It is PAYMENT YOU ARE GETTING. Or, rather, something you are getting *in leiu* of higher pay.

And amazingly, a lot of people take it for non-sex related reasons. Like, say, controlling Ovarian Cysts.

Which was, if you, you know, bothered to actually inform yourself, what she was talking about. In fact, she wasn't even talking about *herself*, but a friend who'd had her birth control (for ovarian cysts) denied, and had, if I remember correctly, been forced to have an ovary *removed* because of that. She was citing how excessive religiosity could, in fact, harm people with *LEGITIMATE HEALTH ISSUES*.

There is, amazingly, a stigma still attatched to being a 20-something, 30 something, 40 something year old child. It's why a lot of people in this thread aren't terribly happy with republicans.

/Or other people who cling to political ideas they formed when they were *twelve*.
 
2012-11-27 10:34:08 AM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?

You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery. I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.

You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.

Anyway, I like you. And because I like you, I feel compelled to tell you that white knighting Sandra Fluke will not lead to her farking you. And even if she did fark you, she'd scrape the baby out of her uterus and make you pay for the procedure.


Why don't you explain to us why birth control should not be covered by insurance? It's a pill that stops a medical condition from happening, the same way high blood pressure medication stops a medical condition from happening?Try not to get distracted by boob jobs and other strawmen when answering.
 
2012-11-27 10:34:10 AM  
People should really shut the fark up with the "Do I have to pay for....." shiat. You pay the same amount in taxes, the same amount in health insurance whether or not someone gets free birth control or a couple hundred a month in welfare. You don't get a bill in the mail itemized as "Suzie the Slut's morning after pills ".

If you were half as loud about your tax dollars going towards new ICBMs we will never use or billions going to foreign aid to countries that hate us, you might have a point about your precious tax dollars.
 
2012-11-27 10:35:17 AM  
I think Fluke is an amazing and notable person but person of year, I don't think so.


I would vote for Xi Jinping (new Chinese President)

or

Salman Khan

or

Elon Musk
 
2012-11-27 10:35:25 AM  

Bloody William: skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?

dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?

Any health insurance offered by a "religious" employer like a university that denies hormonal birth control or otherwise requires draconian and HIPAA-bending measures to make sure patients can't possibly use it for birth control and have to prove to bureaucrats it's really for personal health issues?

You know, like... the case at hand.


IIRC, in Fluke's case, Georgetown DID offer insurance which covered hormonal BC for treatment of conditions indications. I don't know of any measures taken to make sure a patient can't use it for birth control.

"For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor."

That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.
 
2012-11-27 10:37:55 AM  
I just read a few of the comments... breitbart commenters seem like the type to be wearing tinfoil hats so Obama cannot invade their minds. Seriously, do you have to be a conspiracy theorist to gain posting privileges there?
 
2012-11-27 10:38:08 AM  
Fluke is as your parents once said:

Free
White
And 21 (now with Birth control safety )

What the big deal here ? Privileged white women are always "Person of the year."

// Is that better.
///Climb out of the echo chamber.
Link
 
2012-11-27 10:39:10 AM  

stoli n coke: Yep. In the months following this, she got Republican leaders and actual lawmakers to publicly admit they don't know how birth control pills or even female anatomy works and even got candidates addressing the lighter side of rape, costing them 2 races.


This was probably the most embarrassing part---the Breitbart crowd giving away that they don't know basic things about girls. And using their national megaphone, no less.

It was astonishing to watch Internet people angrily shout, "I never dated a woman" in so many words, without even noticing this implication until it was irretrievably part of the national conversation. It's like they all chiseled their name in a granite monument to dateless wonders because Rush Limbaugh told them to.

The rest of the anti-woman rhetoric made them look like tards, but they really believe that stuff, and probably aren't too mortified about their beliefs being spoken aloud. They may feel bad about that stuff, but it doesn't cast them as basement-dwelling losers.
 
2012-11-27 10:44:18 AM  

skullkrusher: That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.


Haha, you're funny.

The insurance company will, when called on it, simply go "Ooops! You're right, our bad, here's the money for the prescription, bye!" And there's likely very little the person can do. Even if they get paid for the loss of their ovary or other issues, no one high up (who PUTS the policies in place) will be punished. Since apparently, a corporate 'person' can claim "Oh my god, I had no idea what my hand was doing when I stole that money! My hand totally acted on its own, and you can't really give me a serious punishment in any way."

Most of the time, they just hope people get tired of fighting it and don't go as far as they can, eat the loss, and the insurance company gets money for free. And, hey, most people have their health insurance through their school, their work, or their parents! It's not like they're gonna be *able* to switch companies. They just have to find the riiiggghhht balance of screwing their customers over, so the corporation/school doesn't switch away from them.

I spent an entire *year* getting a dental insurance company (Delta Dental) to pay for a procedure (filling) that was *ABSOLUTELY* covered by my insurance. First claim: I had used up/gone over the ammount they had to pay. Got all the bills from the dentist's office (the only one I had visited since I got the insurance), showed them this was not true (and that the procedure wouldn't have taken me over).

THEN they apparently started 'not getting' the insurance claims. It took my dentist's office filing 5 times, plus me calling the *VP OF THE COMPANY*, to get them to @#%# pay the bill.
(It was only $200, but I'm a grad student: That is not an amount I could shrug off. Also, it was the principal of the thing).

Thankfully, my school switched away from them to Aetna, in part due to a lot of students complaining. (Apparently, the Student Health Insurance office at my school takes their job *REALLY* seriously, and does very, very well. I'm fortunate in that regard. Many people aren't.)
 
2012-11-27 10:45:44 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Fluke is as your parents once said:

Free
White
And 21 (now with Birth control safety )

What the big deal here ? Privileged white women are always "Person of the year."

// Is that better.
///Climb out of the echo chamber.
Link


She's a 30-year-old law student whose friend lost her goddamn ovaries because of an illness that could have been treated by hormonal birth control blocked by the policies not of the insurance company but of the school.

Also, while it's nice you're finally recognizing the plight of Arab women without immediately saying the entire area should be bombed, she died three years ago. She's not in the running for person of the year this year. Do you see me complaining that Warren Zevon didn't win a grammy last year?
 
2012-11-27 10:46:22 AM  

Polly Ester: I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.


Ah yes, the "I don't want my insurance premiums to pay for other people's stuff" argument. Also, keep government out of my Medicare, amirite?
 
2012-11-27 10:48:50 AM  

Xcott: This was probably the most embarrassing part---the Breitbart crowd giving away that they don't know basic things about girls. And using their national megaphone, no less.


The irony was there for me considering I went to public schools and could estimate that in Junior High I knew more than them about womens reproduction than they did, yet they constantly rally at how we need Charter schools, more homeschooling and religious-based education and abstinence-only education.

For a generation it will be the gift that keeps on giving for the Democrats.
 
2012-11-27 10:49:42 AM  

Felgraf: I spent an entire *year* getting a dental insurance company (Delta Dental) to pay for a procedure (filling) that was *ABSOLUTELY* covered by my insurance. First claim: I had used up/gone over the ammount they had to pay. Got all the bills from the dentist's office (the only one I had visited since I got the insurance), showed them this was not true (and that the procedure wouldn't have taken me over).

THEN they apparently started 'not getting' the insurance claims. It took my dentist's office filing 5 times, plus me calling the *VP OF THE COMPANY*, to get them to @#%# pay the bill.
(It was only $200, but I'm a grad student: That is not an amount I could shrug off. Also, it was the principal of the thing).


Delta Dental? I believe it. Except for the part where you actually talked to a human being.
 
2012-11-27 10:53:12 AM  

TacoBeelzebub: The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?


IIRC, its even better yet...

She was asking for the STUDENT health insurance plan to cover birth control in the same manner that the EMPLOYEE/STAFF health insurance plan does.

Thats right. At G-Town it was A-Okay for the staff to get heathen, around the block sex murder drugs, but God sure as hell draws the line at adult students that are paying money to go there from getting the same treatment.
 
2012-11-27 10:54:28 AM  

Xcott: Delta Dental? I believe it. Except for the part where you actually talked to a human being.


Well, I should clarify, because I screwed up one detail; I did not talk to someone at Delta Dental. The health insurance office at my school got me in touch with the VP of GM-Southwest, who use Delta Dental for their dental insurance. *They* were able to get my claim to go through.

(The school's health insurance office implied that this was... happening *a lot*, which was one of the reasons they swapped. Didn't outright say it, mind, because they're probably not allowed to, but there were statements like "Ah, yes, we have a standard procedure for this now." )
 
2012-11-27 10:56:28 AM  

skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?

dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?

Any health insurance offered by a "religious" employer like a university that denies hormonal birth control or otherwise requires draconian and HIPAA-bending measures to make sure patients can't possibly use it for birth control and have to prove to bureaucrats it's really for personal health issues?

You know, like... the case at hand.

IIRC, in Fluke's case, Georgetown DID offer insurance which covered hormonal BC for treatment of conditions indications. I don't know of any measures taken to make sure a patient can't use it for birth control.

"For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor."

That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.


The school health plan administrators had final say over the doctor as to if they would choose to cover birth control. The admins usually denied any student request as it may lead to sexy sex sexing between the sexy sexes. This was the deal G-town required of the health insurance company.

They did not demand the same right of refusal with the staff health plans.
 
2012-11-27 10:56:45 AM  

wingnut396: TacoBeelzebub: The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?

IIRC, its even better yet...

She was asking for the STUDENT health insurance plan to cover birth control in the same manner that the EMPLOYEE/STAFF health insurance plan does.

Thats right. At G-Town it was A-Okay for the staff to get heathen, around the block sex murder drugs, but God sure as hell draws the line at adult students that are paying money to go there from getting the same treatment.


They keep lying about it. THEY KEEP farkING LYING ABOUT IT.

Sandra Fluke deserves to be person of the year if only because she tried to do something as simple and American as attempt to redress her grievances properly in the political system and she ended up being outright slandered by millions of ignorant farks who have called her a slut for the past year.
 
2012-11-27 10:56:49 AM  

Xcott: Felgraf: I spent an entire *year* getting a dental insurance company (Delta Dental) to pay for a procedure (filling) that was *ABSOLUTELY* covered by my insurance. First claim: I had used up/gone over the ammount they had to pay. Got all the bills from the dentist's office (the only one I had visited since I got the insurance), showed them this was not true (and that the procedure wouldn't have taken me over).

THEN they apparently started 'not getting' the insurance claims. It took my dentist's office filing 5 times, plus me calling the *VP OF THE COMPANY*, to get them to @#%# pay the bill.
(It was only $200, but I'm a grad student: That is not an amount I could shrug off. Also, it was the principal of the thing).

Delta Dental? I believe it. Except for the part where you actually talked to a human being.



Aw crap. My company just went to DD for 2013. This is going to be icky, isn't it?

I miss my BCBS dental already. I have heard tons of anecdotes regarding BCBS, but I've never a had problem with either my medical or dental insurance through them.

Thank FSM company kept BCBS for medical
 
2012-11-27 10:57:49 AM  

Felgraf: skullkrusher: That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.

Haha, you're funny.

The insurance company will, when called on it, simply go "Ooops! You're right, our bad, here's the money for the prescription, bye!" And there's likely very little the person can do. Even if they get paid for the loss of their ovary or other issues, no one high up (who PUTS the policies in place) will be punished. Since apparently, a corporate 'person' can claim "Oh my god, I had no idea what my hand was doing when I stole that money! My hand totally acted on its own, and you can't really give me a serious punishment in any way."

Most of the time, they just hope people get tired of fighting it and don't go as far as they can, eat the loss, and the insurance company gets money for free. And, hey, most people have their health insurance through their school, their work, or their parents! It's not like they're gonna be *able* to switch companies. They just have to find the riiiggghhht balance of screwing their customers over, so the corporation/school doesn't switch away from them.

I spent an entire *year* getting a dental insurance company (Delta Dental) to pay for a procedure (filling) that was *ABSOLUTELY* covered by my insurance. First claim: I had used up/gone over the ammount they had to pay. Got all the bills from the dentist's office (the only one I had visited since I got the insurance), showed them this was not true (and that the procedure wouldn't have taken me over).

THEN they apparently started 'not getting' the insurance claims. It took my dentist's office filing 5 times, plus me calling the *VP OF THE COMPANY*, to get them to @#%# pay the bill.
(It was only $200, but I'm a grad student: That is not an amount I could shrug off. Also, it was the principal of the thing).

Thankfully, my school switched away from them to Aetna, in part due to a lot of students complaining. (Apparently, the Student Health Insurance office at my ...


passing legislation that an insurance company must cover a prescription prescribed by a doctor in good standing if the patient's insurance covers that prescription for that indication is really not that outlandish at all
 
2012-11-27 10:59:33 AM  
What Catholic Farking "Charity" was Fluke asking to pay for her birth control?

In fact, the bulk of her testimony was about the usage of the so-called "pill" for purposes other than birth control. Her anecdotal story involved a friend who was medically required to use a high dollar birth control pill to control ovarian cysts. Her friend just happened to be a lesbian, who logic would dictate would have absolutely zero use for birth control pills as a means to actually prevent pregnancy.

Now, here's where Georgetown (and many other Catholic/Religious based institutions showed their true colors on the issue. If you were a Georgetown employee, the University offered to most, as part of their compensation package - 100% cost free medical insurance (co-pays and deductibles still applied, but the policy itself was provided for free.) INCLUDED in that University paid for health plan, was full coverage for birth control.

Now, the students at Georgetown were offered a plan, that they could purchase out of their own pockets, through the University which did NOT cover birth control.

The obvious difference here was not at all about coverage of birth control and it's moral/ethical issues, but rather the Universities attempt to control students (young women's) lives. Older faculty members, etc. they didn't have a problem with not only receiving birth control, but paying for it. For younger people, they wouldn't even allow for in a policy for which they contributed not one dime.
 
2012-11-27 11:00:00 AM  

wingnut396: skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Bloody William: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

So we can recognize that this is a sexist policy in health insurance, even if not legislated? That there's some disparity between what women and men can get in health insurance? That things might even be unfair unless we try to fix them?

dunno, do you know of an example of health insurance which offers coverage for viagra but not hormonal BC used for the treatment of a condition?

Any health insurance offered by a "religious" employer like a university that denies hormonal birth control or otherwise requires draconian and HIPAA-bending measures to make sure patients can't possibly use it for birth control and have to prove to bureaucrats it's really for personal health issues?

You know, like... the case at hand.

IIRC, in Fluke's case, Georgetown DID offer insurance which covered hormonal BC for treatment of conditions indications. I don't know of any measures taken to make sure a patient can't use it for birth control.

"For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor."

That is malfeasance on the part of the insurance company. That should absolutely be addressed.

The school health plan administrators had final say over the doctor as to if they would choose to cover birth control. The admins usually denied any student request as it may lead to sexy sex sexing between the sexy sexes. This was the deal G-town required of the health insurance company.

They did not demand the same right of refusal with the staff health plans.


also unacceptable. Your employer/school/whomever is offering the insurance should have no involvement with how your insurance is used. If you offer BC for treatment of disorders and an insured person's doctor prescribes BC for that indication, you (as the insurance offerer) should have no say whatsoever.
 
2012-11-27 11:04:17 AM  

Polly Ester: You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.


And you continue to misreport what Fluke's testimony was about, in spite of multiple posters correcting you.

There's a word for that: lying.
 
2012-11-27 11:04:54 AM  
Just because this needs to be restated:

1) Women will be paying for their own birth control because the insurance-negotiated price will be completely covered by a small portion of the woman's premium. It is not free, and no one else is paying for it.

2) Men (and women who do not use birth control) benefit from this rule because prenatal care, birth, postnatal care, and medical for the whole life of a child are a lot more expensive than the birth control (which, again, is costing no one but the woman using it).

3) Fluke's testimony focused on women who used birth control for medical conditions other than preventing pregnancy. The birth control (which, again, is costing no one but the woman using it) used in these cases is a lot cheaper than surgery or other medical intervention.

4) Women do not take a pill only before having sex. The number of pills has nothing to do with sexual activity - at all.
 
2012-11-27 11:05:28 AM  

skullkrusher: Your employer/school/whomever is offering the insurance should have no involvement with how your insurance is used.


That's. The key. To Fluke's. Testimony. That's the entire farking argument. That was the point of what she said! Goddammit, why has this not sunk in with anyone yet? It's not about condoms, it's not about schools paying for birth control, it's about the employer or school getting in the way of what health coverage is available to you! That's what she had a problem with! That's why she's been called a slut (and, strangely, a lesbian) for the past goddamn year.
 
2012-11-27 11:07:36 AM  

skullkrusher: passing legislation that an insurance company must cover a prescription prescribed by a doctor in good standing if the patient's insurance covers that prescription for that indication is really not that outlandish at all


Sure! Define 'in good standing'. Define the penalties if the health insurance company doesn't. Do we give them super-penalities even if it's a 'paperwork snafu'? Because if we don't... well, there's going to be a lot of 'honest' paperwork snafus.
 
2012-11-27 11:09:38 AM  
i43.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-27 11:10:23 AM  

shastacola: Try not to get distracted by boob jobs


I've tried. It didn't work.
 
2012-11-27 11:11:56 AM  

Bloody William: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Fluke is as your parents once said:

Free
White
And 21 (now with Birth control safety )

What the big deal here ? Privileged white women are always "Person of the year."

// Is that better.
///Climb out of the echo chamber.
Link

She's a 30-year-old law student whose friend lost her goddamn ovaries because of an illness that could have been treated by hormonal birth control blocked by the policies not of the insurance company but of the school.

Also, while it's nice you're finally recognizing the plight of Arab women without immediately saying the entire area should be bombed, she died three years ago. She's not in the running for person of the year this year. Do you see me complaining that Warren Zevon didn't win a grammy last year?


Zevon got robbed! Robbed, I tell you!
 
2012-11-27 11:20:42 AM  

skullkrusher: also unacceptable. Your employer/school/whomever is offering the insurance should have no involvement with how your insurance is used. If you offer BC for treatment of disorders and an insured person's doctor prescribes BC for that indication, you (as the insurance offerer) should have no say whatsoever.


You do realize, that is the whole point of Fluke's testimony. Georgetown can deny student access to medicines that can also be used for birth control. For speaking out against this, she got called a slut who had guys lined up around the block wanting sex as she did nothing but take birth control pills everyday. Her entire testimony was used a pissing platform for the Republican party and its shills to cry about having to give out 'free' (although the student still had to come up with copays, premiums and meet deductables) birth control for sex fiends.

Q. Are medications to prevent pregnancy covered when prescribed for treatment of a covered sickness?

A. Yes, your health care provider can document the medical necessity and a medical override for non-contraceptive reasons may allow for insurance coverage. To purchase such medications with your Pharmacy Card, ask providers outside of the GU Student Health Center (SHC) to complete the Medication Override Form and fax it to Gallagher Koster Insurance Agency, 617-479-0860. Note: The SHC will submit the Medication Override for you.
 
2012-11-27 11:24:54 AM  
Anyone else glad whats-his-name is dead?

Im farking glad, just a few hundred more Right Wing Loonies keeling over* and the world is instantly a better place


*from purely natural causes, up to and including God smiting them..
 
2012-11-27 11:26:14 AM  

wingnut396: You do realize, that is the whole point of Fluke's testimony. Georgetown can deny student access to medicines that can also be used for birth control. For speaking out against this, she got called a slut who had guys lined up around the block wanting sex as she did nothing but take birth control pills everyday. Her entire testimony was used a pissing platform for the Republican party and its shills to cry about having to give out 'free' (although the student still had to come up with copays, premiums and meet deductables) birth control for sex fiends.


that's fine - I have no problem with Fluke
 
2012-11-27 11:26:53 AM  

Felgraf: skullkrusher: passing legislation that an insurance company must cover a prescription prescribed by a doctor in good standing if the patient's insurance covers that prescription for that indication is really not that outlandish at all

Sure! Define 'in good standing'. Define the penalties if the health insurance company doesn't. Do we give them super-penalities even if it's a 'paperwork snafu'? Because if we don't... well, there's going to be a lot of 'honest' paperwork snafus.


like a doctor who is currently licensed and allowed to practice medicine?
 
2012-11-27 11:27:31 AM  

Bloody William: skullkrusher: Your employer/school/whomever is offering the insurance should have no involvement with how your insurance is used.

That's. The key. To Fluke's. Testimony. That's the entire farking argument. That was the point of what she said! Goddammit, why has this not sunk in with anyone yet? It's not about condoms, it's not about schools paying for birth control, it's about the employer or school getting in the way of what health coverage is available to you! That's what she had a problem with! That's why she's been called a slut (and, strangely, a lesbian) for the past goddamn year.


ok, and? You were talking about Viagra
 
2012-11-27 11:29:45 AM  

skullkrusher: Sure! Define 'in good standing'. Define the penalties if the health insurance company doesn't. Do we give them super-penalities even if it's a 'paperwork snafu'? Because if we don't... well, there's going to be a lot of 'honest' paperwork snafus.


Gyaaaah, for some reason I read that as 'patient in good standing' (as in, in good standing with the insurance company), which is where the fun game of "Preexisting conditions" can come to play. (Or, rather USED to be able to. That's gonna go away soon, which makes me happy-more for my fiance than for me.)

I misread, apologies.

That said, again, a lot use the "Oh we lost the paperwork/didn't get the claim/etc etc" excuse, hoping people will just drop the appeals. Because they can make more money that way. I do think the legislation is working on fixing that (including the ones forcing them to become more transparent), but its slow going. Despite my snark, I do keep up hope.
 
2012-11-27 11:35:09 AM  

skullkrusher: wingnut396: You do realize, that is the whole point of Fluke's testimony. Georgetown can deny student access to medicines that can also be used for birth control. For speaking out against this, she got called a slut who had guys lined up around the block wanting sex as she did nothing but take birth control pills everyday. Her entire testimony was used a pissing platform for the Republican party and its shills to cry about having to give out 'free' (although the student still had to come up with copays, premiums and meet deductables) birth control for sex fiends.

that's fine - I have no problem with Fluke


You should not have a problem with the insurance provider, as the were following the rules set by Georgetown. The sole problem in this situation is that Georgetown admins were so afraid that adult women would get prescription for hormonal BC to treat some minor condition such as acne but really want it for birth control, that they have to put stupid rules that impact people that truly need it for other serious conditions.

This is the reason that the ACA wants insurance companies to offer it. I don't see why religious people are so upset that 'their' money is going to be used to for something that they don't want. Once the money is paid to the insurance provider, it is not longer 'theirs'. It is compensation, or in a students case, part of what the STUDENT paid for. That is what really gets me. Why the student, who is actually the customer, is getting less coverage than the employee fails all logic. If the church has a problem with where 'their' money is going, they need to reverse their stance and ban it from employees, but loosen the regulations on students.
 
2012-11-27 11:50:12 AM  

TacoBeelzebub: The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?


Yes. Yes they are.

/control someone's sexuality, control the person.
//womenfolk are too stupid to realize they need a good strong man to protect them and provide for them.
///stupid slut women.
 
2012-11-27 11:57:16 AM  
So the woman who's claim to fame is that she wasn't smart enough to go to Wal-Mart to pay $4 a month is the 'Person of the Year'?
 
2012-11-27 11:58:47 AM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you the type of irresponsible child who expects insurance to cover procedures and prescription drugs for you rather than being an adult and paying for them yourself?

You think a universal health plan should cover everything from nose and boob jobs to gender reassignment surgery. I would rather not have to pay higher premiums for your cosmetic micro-phallus treatments.

You're dying from cancer? Fine. The government will pay for your chemo.
When you testify before congress about the apocalyptic horrors of taking responsibility for your own birth control, you've lost me.

Anyway, I like you. And because I like you, I feel compelled to tell you that white knighting Sandra Fluke will not lead to her farking you. And even if she did fark you, she'd scrape the baby out of her uterus and make you pay for the procedure.


That's fine. I don't mind paying for her uterus scraping. It's what a responsible, working society that doesn't believe in "fark you I got mine" does for its citizens, it helps each other.
 
2012-11-27 12:03:18 PM  

spelletrader: The birth control pill needs to be made available over the counter, put them right on the rack with condoms.


that's not such a great idea. i know several women who are either 1. on blood thinners for the rest of their lives because birth control pills gave them a life-threatening clot or 2. dead from aforementioned complication.

i believe it should be mandatory for doctors to screen patients for certain genetic predispositions for blood clotting before providing the birth control prescriptions. 

but outside of that, yes, yes it should be readily available and covered by insurance.
 
2012-11-27 12:07:12 PM  

mrshowrules: I think Fluke is an amazing and notable person but person of year, I don't think so.


I would vote for Xi Jinping (new Chinese President)

or

Salman Khan

or

Elon Musk


Okay but try to get one of them to attend a cocktail reception with Time Magazine movers and shakers.

//Fluke probably on speed dial with half of the staff already and she'll pay her own airfare.
 
2012-11-27 12:07:20 PM  
You know who else was Time's Person of the Year?
 
2012-11-27 12:10:07 PM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


If you are implying that Sandra Fluke was NOT being an adult.. you can go to Hell.
 
2012-11-27 12:12:18 PM  

spelletrader: The birth control pill needs to be made available over the counter, put them right on the rack with condoms.

The entire world should be interested in making birth control widely and freely available, sterilization procedures should be free and easily accessible as well.


NO. This is a horrible idea, for health reasons. Birth Control can have some *very serious* complications. My girlfriend (now fiance) was on a generic of Yaz for medical reasons (which likely means she can't/couldn't get in on the class action, since.. it was a generic), had a stroke due to it. At *Twenty Three*. Thankfully, I had brought her home to meet my parents for thanksgiving when it happened. I say 'thankfully', because apparently the neurosergeons ant UNC-Chapel hill are like tiny, tiny gods.

I do think it should be readily available, but I would also like to see doctors/gynecologists *ALSO* talk about other alternatives (Like IUD's, etc). The pill's not always the end-all-be-all.

/Should totally be covered by insurance, though.
 
2012-11-27 12:12:22 PM  
Sure are a lot of liars in this thread.
 
2012-11-27 12:16:25 PM  

Bloody William: Sure are a lot of liars in this thread.


Yes, yes there are. You're doing an excellent job calling them out, though!
 
2012-11-27 12:17:09 PM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


I feel the same way with Viagra. Stupid 50 year old men acting like children.

Pay it yourself!

/amiright?
 
2012-11-27 12:19:20 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: mrshowrules: I think Fluke is an amazing and notable person but person of year, I don't think so.


I would vote for Xi Jinping (new Chinese President)

or

Salman Khan

or

Elon Musk

Okay but try to get one of them to attend a cocktail reception with Time Magazine movers and shakers.

//Fluke probably on speed dial with half of the staff already and she'll pay her own airfare.


She's an attention whore? That's what you are going with? She is a champion for women's health issues, and you think she is to visible? Is there a room in the house you think she should confine herself to?

Do you have a girlfriend?
 
2012-11-27 12:21:02 PM  

Felgraf: Bloody William: Sure are a lot of liars in this thread.

Yes, yes there are. You're doing an excellent job calling them out, though!


Not sure if sarcastic. Pretty sure sarcastic, but not entirely sure sarcastic.
 
2012-11-27 12:21:40 PM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


Apparently, expecting your health care plan to cover medications directly related to your health care is "being a child" now.

/did you actually listen to anything she said?
//or did you just listen to Limbaugh call her a slut for 3 days straight?
 
2012-11-27 12:22:31 PM  

Polly Ester: Anyway, I like you.


We don't like you. Shut your ignorant trap and go the fark away.
 
2012-11-27 12:23:40 PM  

my alt's alt's alt: spelletrader: The birth control pill needs to be made available over the counter, put them right on the rack with condoms.

that's not such a great idea. i know several women who are either 1. on blood thinners for the rest of their lives because birth control pills gave them a life-threatening clot or 2. dead from aforementioned complication.

i believe it should be mandatory for doctors to screen patients for certain genetic predispositions for blood clotting before providing the birth control prescriptions. 

but outside of that, yes, yes it should be readily available and covered by insurance.



Your chance of dying from a blood clot related to your contraceptive is about one in a million. The chance you'll get a blood clot is well below one percent no matter what method of birth control you use.

In other words, pregnancy is a greater risk at 14.5 per 100,000 live births.
 
2012-11-27 12:24:36 PM  

CujoQuarrel: So the woman who's claim to fame is that she wasn't smart enough to go to Wal-Mart to pay $4 a month is the 'Person of the Year'?


Are you begging for high levels of well-earned mockery as well?
 
2012-11-27 12:24:57 PM  

Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: skullkrusher: Mugato: doctor wu: Is Viagra covered by insurance? Just curious.

I just asked that. I think it is.

I think many plans do cover it. None do so by law, however.

Okay. No hypocrisy there, Rush.

What hypocrisy? I'm not Rush. If I were I'd pay someone to post on Fark for me rather than be paid by Fark to do so... I've said too much.

I didn't call you Rush. I was referring to Rush Limbaugh. He's a famous disk jockey. On the radio.


Why do we still call him a disk jockey when he doesn't play any disks?

/threadjack
 
2012-11-27 12:29:10 PM  

Alphax: Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.

If you are implying that Sandra Fluke was NOT being an adult.. you can go to Hell.


She can go to hell anyway for being so damn proud of how ignorant she is. She and Breitbart can keep one another company.
 
2012-11-27 12:29:16 PM  

Felgraf:
NO. This is a horrible idea, for health reasons. Birth Control can have some *very serious* complications. My girlfriend (now fiance) was on a generic of Yaz for medical reasons (which likely means she can't/couldn't get in on the class action, since.. it was a generic), had a stroke due to it. At *Twenty Three*. Thankfully, I had brought her home to meet my parents for thanksgiving when it happened. I say 'thankfully', because apparently the neurosergeons ant UNC-Chapel hill are like tiny, tiny gods.


I'm intrigued by this statement. Were the neurosurgeons particularly small? Nanodoctors? I'm picturing a host of Keebler elves, all dressed in lab coats...
 
2012-11-27 12:31:39 PM  
Wow.... that comment section is something else.
 
2012-11-27 12:31:49 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Here is example of a real woman fighting real oppression. Not the Fluke roadshow.

You may have forgotten, Neda Soltani killed in Iran revolution

Link

She really is the only women who should ever be honored again in human history.


Exactly. I mean, it's OK when they give the awards to men. Men are pretty damned awesome, and deserve to be awarded for their awesomeness. But if they're going to waste on some PC bullshiat and award it to a woman, at least they could give it to the woman who managed to bring snuff videos to youtube four years ago.
 
2012-11-27 12:32:05 PM  

Felgraf: spelletrader: The birth control pill needs to be made available over the counter, put them right on the rack with condoms.

The entire world should be interested in making birth control widely and freely available, sterilization procedures should be free and easily accessible as well.

NO. This is a horrible idea, for health reasons. Birth Control can have some *very serious* complications. My girlfriend (now fiance) was on a generic of Yaz for medical reasons (which likely means she can't/couldn't get in on the class action, since.. it was a generic), had a stroke due to it. At *Twenty Three*. Thankfully, I had brought her home to meet my parents for thanksgiving when it happened. I say 'thankfully', because apparently the neurosergeons ant UNC-Chapel hill are like tiny, tiny gods.

I do think it should be readily available, but I would also like to see doctors/gynecologists *ALSO* talk about other alternatives (Like IUD's, etc). The pill's not always the end-all-be-all.

/Should totally be covered by insurance, though.


Sorry, I was referring to the older (and much safer) Progestogen/Estrogen pills.

With all the problems Drospirenone (Yaz etc) pills have been associated with, I don't think that they should be available at all, anywhere.
 
2012-11-27 12:39:24 PM  

spelletrader: Felgraf: spelletrader: The birth control pill needs to be made available over the counter, put them right on the rack with condoms.

The entire world should be interested in making birth control widely and freely available, sterilization procedures should be free and easily accessible as well.

NO. This is a horrible idea, for health reasons. Birth Control can have some *very serious* complications. My girlfriend (now fiance) was on a generic of Yaz for medical reasons (which likely means she can't/couldn't get in on the class action, since.. it was a generic), had a stroke due to it. At *Twenty Three*. Thankfully, I had brought her home to meet my parents for thanksgiving when it happened. I say 'thankfully', because apparently the neurosergeons ant UNC-Chapel hill are like tiny, tiny gods.

I do think it should be readily available, but I would also like to see doctors/gynecologists *ALSO* talk about other alternatives (Like IUD's, etc). The pill's not always the end-all-be-all.

/Should totally be covered by insurance, though.

Sorry, I was referring to the older (and much safer) Progestogen/Estrogen pills.

With all the problems Drospirenone (Yaz etc) pills have been associated with, I don't think that they should be available at all, anywhere.


The older ones still have a chance at causing clotting in women.
 
2012-11-27 12:40:01 PM  

my alt's alt's alt: spelletrader: The birth control pill needs to be made available over the counter, put them right on the rack with condoms.

that's not such a great idea. i know several women who are either 1. on blood thinners for the rest of their lives because birth control pills gave them a life-threatening clot or 2. dead from aforementioned complication.

i believe it should be mandatory for doctors to screen patients for certain genetic predispositions for blood clotting before providing the birth control prescriptions. 

but outside of that, yes, yes it should be readily available and covered by insurance.


I would be surprised if you really new "several". It is true that a small percentage of people - even young people - have had serious blood clots all through recorded history, and your risk of getting those clots increases on birth control.

But your overall risk of those clots is very small without birth control, and still very small with birth control. Your chances of dying from complications during an unplanned pregnancy are thousands of times higher than your risks of dying from birth control.
 
2012-11-27 12:40:13 PM  
I imagine if you're a dude who can't get laid and you consume a lot of right wing media, the thought of your money going to help young college girls have sex with men who have less money than you is pretty infuriating.
 
2012-11-27 12:42:24 PM  

Bloody William: Felgraf: Bloody William: Sure are a lot of liars in this thread.

Yes, yes there are. You're doing an excellent job calling them out, though!

Not sure if sarcastic. Pretty sure sarcastic, but not entirely sure sarcastic.


Eh? No, not sarcastic at all! o.o. Though I realize the way I wrote it could make it seem such. (If you peer up thread, I'm trying to make similar points to you, but... I think you're making them more effectively? Or, at least, more *succinctly*. I have a bad tendency to ramble on.)
 
2012-11-27 12:45:16 PM  

mrshowrules: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: mrshowrules: I think Fluke is an amazing and notable person but person of year, I don't think so.


I would vote for Xi Jinping (new Chinese President)

or

Salman Khan

or

Elon Musk

Okay but try to get one of them to attend a cocktail reception with Time Magazine movers and shakers.

//Fluke probably on speed dial with half of the staff already and she'll pay her own airfare.

She's an attention whore? That's what you are going with? She is a champion for women's health issues, and you think she is to visible? Is there a room in the house you think she should confine herself to?

Do you have a girlfriend?

Sorry I don't accept those type of internet offers.

I think the Time editors are the attention whores and bubble dwellers.
Sandy has a long and profitable career ahead as a professional dinner party guest of the DNC .
 
2012-11-27 12:45:19 PM  

Chameleon: Felgraf:
NO. This is a horrible idea, for health reasons. Birth Control can have some *very serious* complications. My girlfriend (now fiance) was on a generic of Yaz for medical reasons (which likely means she can't/couldn't get in on the class action, since.. it was a generic), had a stroke due to it. At *Twenty Three*. Thankfully, I had brought her home to meet my parents for thanksgiving when it happened. I say 'thankfully', because apparently the neurosergeons ant UNC-Chapel hill are like tiny, tiny gods.

I'm intrigued by this statement. Were the neurosurgeons particularly small? Nanodoctors? I'm picturing a host of Keebler elves, all dressed in lab coats...


Yes. They went at the clots with itty-bitty pickaxes, but had to be careful of nearby creepers! Some just resorted to punching nearby trees to make tools. =)
 
2012-11-27 12:46:34 PM  

HeartBurnKid: You know who else was Time's Person of the Year?


Came here for this, amazed it took so long!
 
2012-11-27 12:47:11 PM  

Carn: Why do we still call him a disk jockey when he doesn't play any disks?

/threadjack


He still spins shait.
 
2012-11-27 12:50:22 PM  

The Larch: I would be surprised if you really new "several". It is true that a small percentage of people - even young people - have had serious blood clots all through recorded history, and your risk of getting those clots increases on birth control.

But your overall risk of those clots is very small without birth control, and still very small with birth control. Your chances of dying from complications during an unplanned pregnancy are thousands of times higher than your risks of dying from birth control.


i know 4 women personally who are on blood thinners after a clot, and 2 that died. personally. and i'm not miss popular either.

mostly Drospirenone to blame.

and my chances of forming a life-threatening clot from using any type of hormonal birth control is about 1 in 3 due to multiple genetic predispositions. had a relative not almost died from using Yaz, i would have never known and kept taking my birth control pills.

5% of white people have Factor V Leiden which increases the chances of developing a blood clot while on hormonal birth control to 1 in 1,500.

so no, my chances of dying from complications during a pregnancy are not thousands of times higher than dying from birth control, nor is is for people with Factor V Leiden.

/the more you know
 
2012-11-27 12:54:07 PM  

CujoQuarrel: So the woman who's claim to fame is that she wasn't smart enough to go to Wal-Mart to pay $4 a month is the 'Person of the Year'?


Literally everything you typed is incorrect.

/literally
//apostrophes, how do they work?
 
2012-11-27 12:54:38 PM  

wingnut396: Carn: Why do we still call him a disk jockey when he doesn't play any disks?

/threadjack

He still spins shait.


touche
 
2012-11-27 12:58:16 PM  
My day is worse now. I accidentally clicked and gave traffic to breitbart. The snark in this thread is the only helpful thing.
 
2012-11-27 01:00:45 PM  

my alt's alt's alt: The Larch: I would be surprised if you really new "several". It is true that a small percentage of people - even young people - have had serious blood clots all through recorded history, and your risk of getting those clots increases on birth control.

But your overall risk of those clots is very small without birth control, and still very small with birth control. Your chances of dying from complications during an unplanned pregnancy are thousands of times higher than your risks of dying from birth control.

i know 4 women personally who are on blood thinners after a clot, and 2 that died. personally. and i'm not miss popular either.

mostly Drospirenone to blame.

and my chances of forming a life-threatening clot from using any type of hormonal birth control is about 1 in 3 due to multiple genetic predispositions. had a relative not almost died from using Yaz, i would have never known and kept taking my birth control pills.

5% of white people have Factor V Leiden which increases the chances of developing a blood clot while on hormonal birth control to 1 in 1,500.

so no, my chances of dying from complications during a pregnancy are not thousands of times higher than dying from birth control, nor is is for people with Factor V Leiden.

/the more you know


Sigh... that's not how statistics work. I am sorry that you had to attend two funerals for people who died far too young from ultimately random health problems. Really, I am sorry. I do not want to sound insensitive here. But, if you knew two people who died from clots on birth control, there's a good chance that one of of them would have died from a clot even without birth control. That's just how mathematics and probability work.

And, if the hormones in birth control elevate your risk of blood clots to one in three, I think you should have a long and serious talk with your doctor about the risks of pregnancy. But I warn you -- if you're easily disturbed, it might be something that you'll feel better just not knowing.

And yes, people do die of heart attacks and blood clots. Even young people die. Even young people who are not taking birth control die. Sometimes people die young; not everyone lives to be 100. Life sucks. We're fragile meat bags.
 
2012-11-27 01:02:12 PM  

someonelse: CujoQuarrel: So the woman who's claim to fame is that she wasn't smart enough to go to Wal-Mart to pay $4 a month is the 'Person of the Year'?

Literally everything you typed is incorrect.

/literally
//apostrophes, how do they work?


He seems to have managed to get the right alphabet.
 
2012-11-27 01:05:45 PM  
The benefit to requiring prescriptions with yearly renewals for birth control is that it encourages idiots like me who would otherwise skip their annual Paps to get them. I might have died of cervical cancer since I had no other reason to go to the doctor at the age of 23.

That being said, it's not actually a good reason.
 
2012-11-27 01:15:07 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: mrshowrules: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: mrshowrules: I think Fluke is an amazing and notable person but person of year, I don't think so.


I would vote for Xi Jinping (new Chinese President)

or

Salman Khan

or

Elon Musk

Okay but try to get one of them to attend a cocktail reception with Time Magazine movers and shakers.

//Fluke probably on speed dial with half of the staff already and she'll pay her own airfare.

She's an attention whore? That's what you are going with? She is a champion for women's health issues, and you think she is to visible? Is there a room in the house you think she should confine herself to?

Do you have a girlfriend? Sorry I don't accept those type of internet offers.

I'll take that as a no.

I think the Time editors are the attention whores and bubble dwellers.
Sandy has a long and profitable career ahead as a professional dinner party guest of the DNC .


I can't be your girlfriend because I am a man. I have a wife, a daughter, two sisters and a mother. I have the habit of giving women the same amount of respect (or lack thereof) and as I do men saying or behaving the same way.

Have you listened to her testimony? If so, what was your opinion of it?

Are you just mad because she (by no action of her own) made Rush look like a sexist ignorant pig?

Do you like women?
 
2012-11-27 01:31:06 PM  
The thing I found most depressing about this whole ordeal was the number of conservative men who don't know how birth control works. People like Rush Limbaugh who thought you had to take a contraceptive pill before each time you had sex.
 
2012-11-27 01:31:36 PM  

Felgraf: Bloody William: Felgraf: Bloody William: Sure are a lot of liars in this thread.

Yes, yes there are. You're doing an excellent job calling them out, though!

Not sure if sarcastic. Pretty sure sarcastic, but not entirely sure sarcastic.

Eh? No, not sarcastic at all! o.o. Though I realize the way I wrote it could make it seem such. (If you peer up thread, I'm trying to make similar points to you, but... I think you're making them more effectively? Or, at least, more *succinctly*. I have a bad tendency to ramble on.)


Ah, cool. Thanks!
 
2012-11-27 01:35:10 PM  

Wayne 985: The thing I found most depressing about this whole ordeal was the number of conservative men who don't know how birth control works. People like Rush Limbaugh who thought you had to take a contraceptive pill before each time you had sex.


If you can't pregnant by letting a 15 year old Dominican boy blast you from behind, why bother figuring out how the pill works. I bet you he could tell you precisely how much oxycodin and viagra to pack for a weekend.
 
2012-11-27 01:36:40 PM  

mrshowrules: Wayne 985: The thing I found most depressing about this whole ordeal was the number of conservative men who don't know how birth control works. People like Rush Limbaugh who thought you had to take a contraceptive pill before each time you had sex.

If you can't pregnant by letting a 15 year old Dominican boy blast you from behind, why bother figuring out how the pill works. I bet you he could tell you precisely how much oxycodin and viagra to pack for a weekend.


Not you "you". "You" in the general sense (other drug addled closeted bottoms).
 
2012-11-27 01:38:11 PM  

CujoQuarrel: So the woman who's claim to fame is that she wasn't smart enough to go to Wal-Mart to pay $4 a month is the 'Person of the Year'?


Wow, dang, so you're telling me that conservatives called everyone a bunch of whores, losing the White House and missing a senate majority because rape rape emergency rape legitimate rape---and they did that all because of a pill that only costs $4 a month?

And these people wanted to manage the world's largest economy.

If birth control really only costs $4 a month (bear in mind, this factoid comes from the same people who think that women chug birth control pills before having sex) then this was probably one of the dumbest efforts in the history of the Republican party, and they deserve whatever losses they have incurred.

Oh wait, it wasn't about the money, right? It was about moral and religious opposition to this immoral thing that ... that ... that you can buy at Wal-Mart. Wait, you mean the place we buy our grill and our Christmas lights? The place that liberals hate so much that they make documentaries? Where you purposely spend your money along with Chik-fil-A to show your support for traditional values? We're against evil cooter pills and anyway you can get them at the family values store!
 
2012-11-27 01:38:15 PM  

Wayne 985: The thing I found most depressing about this whole ordeal was the number of conservative men who don't know how birth control works. People like Rush Limbaugh who thought you had to take a contraceptive pill before each time you had sex.


To be fair, it's highly unlikely that he has much contact with the female reproductive system. But yeah, I get your point.
 
2012-11-27 01:38:23 PM  

Chameleon: Felgraf:
NO. This is a horrible idea, for health reasons. Birth Control can have some *very serious* complications. My girlfriend (now fiance) was on a generic of Yaz for medical reasons (which likely means she can't/couldn't get in on the class action, since.. it was a generic), had a stroke due to it. At *Twenty Three*. Thankfully, I had brought her home to meet my parents for thanksgiving when it happened. I say 'thankfully', because apparently the neurosergeons ant UNC-Chapel hill are like tiny, tiny gods.

I'm intrigued by this statement. Were the neurosurgeons particularly small? Nanodoctors? I'm picturing a host of Keebler elves, all dressed in lab coats...


Unfortunately, ideas like that are never as cool as they sound in your head.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-27 01:41:04 PM  

Xcott: CujoQuarrel: So the woman who's claim to fame is that she wasn't smart enough to go to Wal-Mart to pay $4 a month is the 'Person of the Year'?

Wow, dang, so you're telling me that conservatives called everyone a bunch of whores, losing the White House and missing a senate majority because rape rape emergency rape legitimate rape---and they did that all because of a pill that only costs $4 a month?


The most telling fact about how Republicans are lying scum, is that not ONCE did Fluke mention her own personal need for any contraception. She was testifying on behalf of OTHER women.
 
2012-11-27 03:04:54 PM  
She's on a pretty big list of people who were influential news-makers, and the list is completely neutral as to whether they're good or bad influences. Zombie Breitbart desperately needs to eat some brains.

I'd suggest voting her up in the poll just to piss them off, but I think honestly that Xi Jinping or Mohammed Morsi deserves it.
 
2012-11-27 03:29:33 PM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.


Cry more, little one!
 
2012-11-27 03:32:25 PM  

Chameleon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: In case you forgot...

[ivn.us image 850x442]

They must like Dr. Mitchell.


images2.wikia.nocookie.netimages2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-11-27 03:40:44 PM  
What next, she goes on to win the Nobel Peace Prize?
 
2012-11-27 03:57:32 PM  

topcon: What next, she goes on to win the Nobel Peace Prize?


POA?
 
2012-11-27 04:01:49 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: [www.history.ucsb.edu image 357x497]


You know who else was Times "Man of the Year"?
 
2012-11-27 04:07:03 PM  

wingnut396: TacoBeelzebub: The whole thing was just so ridiculous. Fluke was not asking for FREE/TAX-PAYER SUBSIDIZED birth control. She was asking that birth control be COVERED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES like boner pills are. Women would still have to pay a co-payment on the BC pills just like regular perscriptions and that's fine, they have no problem doing that.

Why does the GOP have this need to control women's sexuality? Are they scared of it?

IIRC, its even better yet...

She was asking for the STUDENT health insurance plan to cover birth control in the same manner that the EMPLOYEE/STAFF health insurance plan does.

Thats right. At G-Town it was A-Okay for the staff to get heathen, around the block sex murder drugs, but God sure as hell draws the line at adult students that are paying money to go there from getting the same treatment.


This bears repeating!

/Also, Georgetown (from what I remember) allowed some students to use their insurance to purchase birth control pills, but they were pretty arbitrary about it, and that's what Fluke's testimony was about.
 
2012-11-27 04:10:26 PM  

topcon: What next, she goes on to win the Nobel Peace Prize?


Well they do give it out for " potential " these days.
 
2012-11-27 05:28:10 PM  

Polly Ester: Philip Francis Queeg: So you don't carry any health insurance and pay for all your procedures and prescriptions yourself right?

I don't have to force a catholic charity to buy condoms for me.


I don't have to either...but I WANT to!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH 4 teh lulzzzz
 
2012-11-27 05:34:57 PM  

lordjupiter: Eat Fun Dip out of my ass.


I love randomly scrolling to the middle of a thread and finding this.

it gived me a happy
 
2012-11-27 08:05:38 PM  
Some of most vilely offensive stuff to ever show up in my @replies on twitter came after I tweeted about Sandra Fluke making an Obama campaign get-out-to-vote stop on my campus. Honestly, if I was her, at this point I'd just start trolling the right wing--if you're going to have to put up with what she's had to put up with, you might as well have a little fun with it.
 
2012-11-27 09:36:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: [www.history.ucsb.edu image 357x497]


Let bygones be bygones.....
 
2012-11-28 12:11:43 AM  
Still dead,
Still dead!
Whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do
While you're dead, Andrew?
 
2012-11-28 12:21:30 AM  
Polly Ester 2012-11-27 09:42:17 AM

(farky'd as: 7453966 carrying health insurance is childish & irresponsible)
 
2012-11-28 02:49:09 AM  
TIME needs a reality check. If ever in the many decades since

upload.wikimedia.org,

is it not the Arab Spring that yet again deserves this award? Syria has turned from a whisper campaign into a war zone, Egypt is yet again in the throes of protest and the re-balancing of the Middle East forced Israel to capitulate to demands for a ceasefire. But we're going to go with ... Fluke?
 
2012-11-28 05:24:41 AM  
It's amazing to me how absolutely ignorant the average Republican is on what Sandra Fluke actually did and said. I've heard all sorts of stories and comments from them that demonstrate an absolutely appauling level of ignorance around the issue from a purely factual stance.

I don't understand how this is possible, or even how they can percieve that it benefits them in some way? It's one thing to construct a straw man argument, but the one that they've chosen is so nonsensical that it didn't even have a material impact on any issue that really was part of this election cycle. In fact, all it did, as several people have pointed out, is set them up for a series of publically humiliating gaffes.
 
2012-11-28 07:41:43 AM  
Time always tries to be controversial with their PotY. Except the year where they just printed a mirror. That year everyone smoked too much weed and said, "shiat! we forgot the PotY!"
 
2012-11-28 09:41:42 AM  

Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.


I'm sorry, can you show me any instance of Ms. Fluke asking that it be provided to her as anything other than a prescription that she would pay monthly rates and prescription co-pays for?

Just one, any time, ever, would do.

Thanks ever so much!
 
2012-11-28 10:45:40 AM  

Polly Ester: I don't have to force a catholic charity to buy condoms for me.


Georgetown University is a "charity"?

Who knew?
 
2012-11-28 09:52:51 PM  

Felgraf: Polly Ester: There once was a term for people who took responsibility for their own birth control, and could buy it by their very own selves.
What was it?
Oh yeah...
Being an adult.

Life was better when there was a stigma attached to being a twenty-something child.

They are. Health insurance is *part of your compensation*. It is PAYMENT YOU ARE GETTING. Or, rather, something you are getting *in leiu* of higher pay.

And amazingly, a lot of people take it for non-sex related reasons. Like, say, controlling Ovarian Cysts.

Which was, if you, you know, bothered to actually inform yourself, what she was talking about. In fact, she wasn't even talking about *herself*, but a friend who'd had her birth control (for ovarian cysts) denied, and had, if I remember correctly, been forced to have an ovary *removed* because of that. She was citing how excessive religiosity could, in fact, harm people with *LEGITIMATE HEALTH ISSUES*.


...which is why, in the spirit of compromise and open-mindedness, she advocated only for providing funds for those specific health issues, not for general birth control, right?

Oh wait... she didn't?
 
2012-11-29 02:13:49 PM  

lamecomedian: ...which is why, in the spirit of compromise and open-mindedness, she advocated only for providing funds for those specific health issues, not for general birth control, right?

Oh wait... she didn't?


But, wouldn't that have been dumb? Coverage for birth control reduces our country's medical expenditures---as preventative medicine goes, it's a no-brainer. Why wouldn't you provide it for general birth control?

The only people who really objected to covering contraception were religious people who think it's a sin to take dirty, dirty cooter pills. Why do we need to deal with those people with a "spirit of compromise"? Were we supposed to make some open-minded compromise with anti-vaxxers too?
 
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