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2012-11-27 08:30:28 AM  
Firing Reid won't keep Brown from having the dropsies.
 
2012-11-27 08:48:32 AM  

SilentStrider: Firing Reid won't keep Brown from having the dropsies.


Or Vick from being their regular QB. Or, most importantly, from them being the "two Super Bowl appearances and no championships since 1960" Eagles.
 
2012-11-27 09:15:56 AM  

FriarReb98: SilentStrider: Firing Reid won't keep Brown from having the dropsies.

Or Vick from being their regular QB. Or, most importantly, from them being the "two Super Bowl appearances and no championships since 1960" Eagles.


To be fair, he and Vermeil are the only ones to even get them to the SB.
 
2012-11-27 09:44:53 AM  
Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars
 
2012-11-27 09:48:40 AM  

sammyk: Raiders


Raiders should be just for tradition - fire their HC every year, expect to improve.
 
2012-11-27 10:09:17 AM  

sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars


I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:21 AM  
"Now" was 2 years ago.
 
2012-11-27 10:31:36 AM  
The easiest time to kick someone is when they're down.
 
2012-11-27 10:34:51 AM  

sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars


I'd move the Bills into the definite list, and the maybes... if what tnpir says is true and the Cowboys are safe, I have a hard time believing that so many coaches are gone after a single year. I would've put the Jags in the definite column until last week, but switching to Henne has got them playing at a much higher level than they were before.
 
2012-11-27 10:47:30 AM  

GAT_00: "Now" was 2 years ago.


Esto.
 
2012-11-27 10:49:06 AM  

tnpir: sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars

I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.


Fellow Bronco fanubianme win streaks are awesome!

I don't see the Bills making a change. Chan Gailey has only been on the job since 2010. I think he will get another year. It's hard to say what the Cowboys will do. I actually think Jerry is considering getting a real GM and stop meddling so much. He demands championships, and I think he is starting to see himself as part of the problem. Who knows what will happen with a new GM. I could also see the Cards making a change, but Ken Whisenhunt is a solid coach, and they may hang onto him seeing how so many other teams will be making a change and quality head coaching candidates may be hard to come by.

The crappy part is we will probably lose Del Rio to a HC position so the DC merry go round is still going.
 
2012-11-27 10:50:55 AM  

tnpir: sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars

I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.


Add the J-E-S-T to the definite list as well. Rex Ryan would have gotten lynched on Thanksgiving if any Jets fans had bothered staying to the end of the game.
 
2012-11-27 10:54:45 AM  
There are only benefits to letting Andy play it out. A) They can get a higher pick and B) It shows extreme loyalty for a long term coach which can help you net a big player for next year.

I'm thinking Shermer gets another year than Andy takes over in Cleveland.
 
2012-11-27 10:59:48 AM  

TheManofPA: I'm thinking Shermer gets another year than Andy takes over in Cleveland.


Never gonna happen. Andy Reid and Joe Banner absolutely hate each other from their time together in Philadelphia, there's no way in hell Banner would go along with Reid being brought in to coach.
 
2012-11-27 11:00:19 AM  
No. I like being able to consistently bet against him
 
2012-11-27 11:01:01 AM  

GAT_00: "Now" was 2 6 years ago.


FTFY. Reid couldn't get the job done with the best team he'll ever have. They should have brought in a new coach when it was absolutely clear that Reid would not work to improve his coaching and drafting issues. At least in 2006 they would have had a quality QB and the tattered remnants of Ray Rhodes' defensive talent to get them over the top. Now, they'll be worse off than before Reid was hired in the first place, and for a long time to come.
 
2012-11-27 11:01:27 AM  

tnpir: sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars

I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.


I wouldn't be so sure about the Browns, one happy effect of that awful game this weekend is that might be just enough to convince them to keep Pat "kick the XP to go up 6" Shurmur another year.

Also as to Reid, why? You gotta pay him the rest of the year anyway. Not like bringing in a new coach now is going to inspire the team to a playoff run. So why bother? He's been a decent coach for them for a long time, might as well let him finish the season.

If they were going to try to save the season by replacing him should have done it about 4 games ago.

I agree with the others and I predict Chip Kelly will take one of the openings.
 
2012-11-27 11:04:18 AM  

eKonk: tnpir: sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars

I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.

Add the J-E-S-T to the definite list as well. Rex Ryan would have gotten lynched on Thanksgiving if any Jets fans had bothered staying to the end of the game.


Good call. So we are looking at 9-11 teams making coaching changes. Wow, that almost 1/3 of the league.
 
2012-11-27 11:10:43 AM  
As much as it bothers me, Reid has to play out the year. There is no reason to fire him now. I don't want to watch the Marty Mornhinweg show almost as much as I don't want to watch Reid finish the season, and no one is getting hired in the next few weeks.

I can't believe that Eagles fans are serious when they say they want Gruden to come in next year. It's like they don't know anything about football...

/ Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there
 
2012-11-27 11:14:35 AM  

Banacek: Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there


I don't understand this logic. Really? He has a specialized offense that can really only succeed at the college level, and can't convince me that he could make schemes to stop NFL offenses. You make that move and your secondary remains the swiss cheese that it is. He would make a good OC IMO, especially with Vick, Shady, and DeSean.
 
2012-11-27 11:15:27 AM  
When isn't it a good time to fire the Walrus? Too long in coming, by a long shot.

The only way I see Shurmur sticking in Cleveland is if he wins out, sweeping Pittsburgh for the year, and in doing so bounces the Steelers from the playoffs in the process.

THEN I could MAYBE make a case to see him stay. Otherwise, the new guy needs to clean house at start from scratch. So does Laurie.
 
2012-11-27 11:19:54 AM  

Banacek: I can't believe that Eagles fans are serious when they say they want Gruden to come in next year. It's like they don't know anything about football...


Oddly enough, many Eagles fans know this would be a HORRIBLE idea. However, that doesn't stop the Philly media from mentioning his name every 3.5 seconds.
 
2012-11-27 11:29:45 AM  
Don't fire Reid until the end of the year. I'm having a grand ole time betting the spread on the other team every game. Same with the Raiders. Don't cost me my free money, Jeffrey Lurie!!
 
2012-11-27 11:31:32 AM  

thecpt: Banacek: Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there

I don't understand this logic. Really? He has a specialized offense that can really only succeed at the college level, and can't convince me that he could make schemes to stop NFL offenses. You make that move and your secondary remains the swiss cheese that it is. He would make a good OC IMO, especially with Vick, Shady, and DeSean.


One thing I will say about Chip Kelly is that he does seem to maximize the talent on his teams. I don't think he's had one player go in the first or second round of the NFL draft, but he always had his teams in title contention every year. He's also dumped key players (Jeremiah Masoli, Cliff Harris, LeGarrette Blount) when they screwed up, so at least he has some sort of disciplinarian in him.

Also remember that you don't necessarily have to be the everything of your team as the HC, Sean Payton had Gregg Williams completely run the defense of their Super Bowl team. If he's as brilliant an offensive mind as many say he is, he'll figure out a way to make it work at the next level.

If there were a coach that could get Vick to his full potential, it's probably Chip Kelly. They could even work in the sideline 4 picture board since Vick seems to be too much of an idiot to comprehend blitzes and adjust protection schemes.
 
2012-11-27 11:31:48 AM  

thecpt: Banacek: Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there

I don't understand this logic. Really? He has a specialized offense that can really only succeed at the college level, and can't convince me that he could make schemes to stop NFL offenses. You make that move and your secondary remains the swiss cheese that it is. He would make a good OC IMO, especially with Vick, Shady, and DeSean.


Why would he keep any of them besides Shady? Whoever comes in better not renew on Vick. Assume next year is gone as well, and finally admit that the team is rebuilding.

The choices are either:

1) An offensive/defensive coordinator: I already watched Dirk Koetter coach the Sun Devils. He doesn't know what defense means. Jack Del Rio, Josh McDaniels, and Mike Nolan already failed as head coaches. Who else is there?

2) A head coach not coaching right now: A head coach who won a Super Bowl has never repeated it with another team. That said, I don't think Billick, Dungy, or Cowher comes back to coaching next year. Gruden or Holmgren? Jesus no.

3) A college coach: I think Kelly is at the best of the lot, but I'm willing to hear other suggestions.
 
2012-11-27 11:31:57 AM  

TheManofPA: There are only benefits to letting Andy play it out. A) They can get a higher pick and B) It shows extreme loyalty for a long term coach which can help you net a big player for next year.


There is one big downside, and one that may end up forcing Lurie's hand: Mike Vick.

Foles, although he hasn't been horrid, hasn't exactly looked like Peyton Manning, either. Vick is close to being cleared to play; if not this week, certainly by next week. Reid probably believes that Vick gives him the best chance of winning, given the state of the o-line and everything. So, while the organization needs to know if Foles is actually worth anything, or if they need to start over (again) this offseason, Reid might be coaching to make his resume look better. That type of decision/power struggle can only cause even more problems both short- and long-term. We'll see if that happens, though; Reid may also just decide to do what's necessary for the club, and start the youth movement now.
 
2012-11-27 11:33:37 AM  

xaks: When isn't it a good time to fire the Walrus? Too long in coming, by a long shot.

The only way I see Shurmur sticking in Cleveland is if he wins out, sweeping Pittsburgh for the year, and in doing so bounces the Steelers from the playoffs in the process.

THEN I could MAYBE make a case to see him stay. Otherwise, the new guy needs to clean house at start from scratch. So does Laurie.


Not even then should they keep him. The team does play tremendously hard for him, but he just isn't there and with a young team, you can't have the coaching staff trying to learn at the same time.

My guess is that the Browns will go all in on Kelly (which is a bad move for my reasoning stated above) and when the wooing doesn't work out (because it won't), Del Rio will come in or - FSM help us, they'll promote Chilly in the name of offensive continuity (even though it has been Shurmur calling the plays).

What is going to be REALLY interesting to see, and will have more to say about the direction of the franchise, is if Weeden is a no-go on Sunday and Colt gets a shot with some legitimate weapons. I'm not a McCoy fan (noodle arm at best) but this team is quite a bit stronger than what he had last year ... and going against a Raiders team that has already started thinking about the off season. Just hope Richardson can work with McCoy since Weeden seems to be Trent's guy.
 
2012-11-27 11:37:57 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: GAT_00: "Now" was 2 6 years ago.

FTFY. Reid couldn't get the job done with the best team he'll ever have. They should have brought in a new coach when it was absolutely clear that Reid would not work to improve his coaching and drafting issues. At least in 2006 they would have had a quality QB and the tattered remnants of Ray Rhodes' defensive talent to get them over the top. Now, they'll be worse off than before Reid was hired in the first place, and for a long time to come.


Maybe.
Lots of teams fired coaches for being good but not great and never recovered. San Deigo, Washington, KC have never reached the heights they did when they got rid of their coaches who "Couldn't win the big one." If the Eagles screw it up, the advantage will be I could enjoy playoff football in January and my Sundays free in the fall.

But while we won't have any SuperBowl Victories, we will always have this.
 
2012-11-27 11:39:16 AM  
3) A college coach: I think Kelly is at the best of the lot, but I'm willing to hear other suggestions.

I actually think the best college coach is the only guy this year to beat Chip Kelly. I believe that any team that hires David Shaw will be very happy with their decision, so I hope he doesn't go to a team I hate, like the Raiders or Cowboys.
 
2012-11-27 11:42:30 AM  

Why Would I Read the Article: 3) A college coach: I think Kelly is at the best of the lot, but I'm willing to hear other suggestions.

I actually think the best college coach is the only guy this year to beat Chip Kelly. I believe that any team that hires David Shaw will be very happy with their decision, so I hope he doesn't go to a team I hate, like the Raiders or Cowboys.


I like that idea too. I wasn't sure if he was looking to jump to the NFL yet.
 
2012-11-27 11:50:55 AM  
I don't see the Eagles firing Reid before the end of the season. Why?

Who will take his place? The defensive coordinator? Umm no. The VP of communications? Umm no. They have no one to step into the role.
 
2012-11-27 11:51:43 AM  
meh, i've never cared for the eagles but i've always respected Andy Reid, i wonder where they guy will land
 
2012-11-27 11:53:18 AM  

Komplex: Maybe.
Lots of teams fired coaches for being good but not great and never recovered. San Deigo, Washington, KC have never reached the heights they did when they got rid of their coaches who "Couldn't win the big one." If the Eagles screw it up, the advantage will be I could enjoy playoff football in January and my Sundays free in the fall.


And how has not firing a "good" coach (I'd argue about Reid being good) worked out for the Eagles? They're probably 5+ years away from contending at this point. They managed to put a band-aid on a gaping wound but the amount of talent on the roster is incredibly overrated. So the Eagles will get the long, dark rebuilding period but none of the joy of a Super Bowl win.

What they should do now (and what they should have done half a decade ago) is to hire a defensive-minded head coach who understands the value of a running game. 6 years ago they might have won a Super Bowl with that approach. Now they need to completely overhaul the roster and the only way to keep from being a 3-win team for a few years (if that is avoidable at all at this point) is to get away from the pass-wacky approach that an offensive-minded head coach brings.
 
2012-11-27 12:01:13 PM  

sammyk: Browns


I read an awesome conspiracy theory in a Sports thread a week or two ago:

1. Haslam hires Nick Saban to coach the Browns, buys out his huge Alabama contract.
2. Haslam makes sure that Saban fails at the job.
3. Haslam says "That's okay, buddy. How about I get you a job coaching the Vols?"
4. Tennessee wins the SEC and National Championship.
5. Haslam wins.
 
2012-11-27 12:01:15 PM  

sammyk: The crappy part is we will probably lose Del Rio to a HC position so the DC merry go round is still going.


Oh yes, I'm quite concerned about this myself. Given Del Rio has HC experience and the Denver defense is absolutely destroying teams right now, it seems like a sad inevitability.
 
2012-11-27 12:02:02 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: 3) A college coach: I think Kelly is at the best of the lot, but I'm willing to hear other suggestions.

I actually think the best college coach is the only guy this year to beat Chip Kelly. I believe that any team that hires David Shaw will be very happy with their decision, so I hope he doesn't go to a team I hate, like the Raiders or Cowboys.


David Shaw played the wrong quarterback for most of the season, which cost his team a shot at the BCS national title game.

He's good, but some of his decision making is questionable at best.
 
2012-11-27 12:04:31 PM  

thecpt: Banacek: Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there

I don't understand this logic. Really? He has a specialized offense that can really only succeed at the college level, and can't convince me that he could make schemes to stop NFL offenses. You make that move and your secondary remains the swiss cheese that it is. He would make a good OC IMO, especially with Vick, Shady, and DeSean.


Yes, and I also say: please bring him to the NFL. I miss the good ol' days of Steve Spurrier getting his ass whupped and only pulling out wins with silly trick plays.
 
2012-11-27 12:09:07 PM  

Banacek: thecpt: Banacek: The choices are either:

1) An offensive/defensive coordinator: I already watched Dirk Koetter coach the Sun Devils. He doesn't know what defense means. Jack Del Rio, Josh McDaniels, and Mike Nolan already failed as head coaches. Who else is there?


I don't know, sometimes it good to give failed coaches a second shot after they've gone back to coordinating. Belicheck failed in Cleveland then went crawling back to big papa Parcells for a couple more years before taking the Pats gig, and that has since turned out pretty well. You can learn a lot in failure and if you're wide turn it to your advantage next time. I know there is a lot of Belicheat hate on fark, but what other team has been as consistently good for as long as the pats have this last dozen years? All the otehr teams that rose have also fallen.

My point, McDaniels or more likely Nolan might not be bad options.
 
2012-11-27 12:11:10 PM  

eKonk: Add the J-E-S-T to the definite list as well. Rex Ryan would have gotten lynched on Thanksgiving if any Jets fans had bothered staying to the end of the game.


Tbh why would the Jets' do this? They've given him crap to work with this year. Don't like Rex at all, but AFAIC he's the least one to blame for the Jets' woes. Tannenbaum should be the one under the guillotine.
 
2012-11-27 12:12:36 PM  

On the Side:
I don't know, sometimes it good to give failed coaches a second shot after they've gone back to coordinating. Belicheck failed in Cleveland then went crawling back to big papa Parcells for a couple more years before taking the Pats gig, and that has since turned out pretty well.


Belicheck didn't really fail in Cleveland. It was an old team, decimated by injuries when he took over. He cleaned house and had them relevant again within three years. The one black mark was the handling of beloved veterans like Bernie Kosar, and that is something he hasn't changed in New England (Richard Seymour, Harrison, Moss, etc).
 
2012-11-27 12:13:21 PM  
If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010
 
2012-11-27 12:13:40 PM  

sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars


Don't forget the Jets!!!

/J-E-T-S!!!!
 
2012-11-27 12:21:38 PM  

Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010


And zero Super Bowl rings and a clear trajectory downwards going forward? It's weird how your post missed that, seeing that you knew that already.
 
2012-11-27 12:23:50 PM  

GAT_00: "Now" was 2 years ago.


Should have been '08, but they had a lucky playoff run that gave them the excuse to keep him longer.
 
2012-11-27 12:23:50 PM  
I see the Fark troll brigade has anointed Jon Gruden as the next Eagles head coach.
 
2012-11-27 12:25:02 PM  

Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010


Would you keep a coach who missed the playoffs two years in a row and hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years?
 
2012-11-27 12:26:49 PM  
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/report-andy-reid-to-re main-eagles-coach-this-week/
 
2012-11-27 12:28:39 PM  

sammyk: The maybe list


I've got to wonder if Tomlin may make the list. No protection for his quarterback plus no backups except wore out over the hill guys. I understand that stability is a good thing, but you have to wonder when the front office is going to say enough is enough.
 
2012-11-27 12:31:43 PM  
Holmgren is already gone. Shurmur isn't Haslam's guy. You can put Shurmur on the next-to-be-fired list.
 
2012-11-27 12:33:11 PM  

Komplex: San Deigo, Washington, KC have never reached the heights they did when they got rid of their coaches who "Couldn't win the big one."


Let's see: with the Chargers, that coach was Marty Schottenheimer. With the Redskins, that coach was Marty Schottenheimer. Who did the Chiefs fire again? Oh, yeah- Marty Schottenheimer. Hmm- I have an idea for Philly, especially if they want to improve their running game.

And whatever team hires Tom Cable becomes an immediate contender. I don't know why his name is not mentioned more, that guy can flat-out coach.
 
2012-11-27 12:34:23 PM  

Kurmudgeon: I've got to wonder if Tomlin may make the list. No protection for his quarterback plus no backups except wore out over the hill guys


a Superbowl and 2 AFC Championships in 6 seasons, plus the team was playing pretty well this year until the QB went down.

And they say Eagles fans are unreasonable for wanting Reid out
 
2012-11-27 12:34:25 PM  

MugzyBrown: Would you keep a coach who missed the playoffs two years in a row and hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years?


And who also, despite 14 years of being in the same position, has rarely:

- demonstrated decent clock mgmt?
- been good at in-game adjustments?
- shown a willingness to change his gameplan week-after-week?
- acknowledged the idea of a consistent running game?

And this is on top of the questionable-to-downright-insane personnel decisions he's made in the past several years on pretty much every level. Remember, in addition to the coaching staff, he also has final say on drafting and free agents, as well as a lot of influence and control over areas like scouting and - sadly enough - the front office.
 
2012-11-27 12:35:48 PM  

Gonz: And whatever team hires Tom Cable becomes an immediate contender. I don't know why his name is not mentioned more, that guy can flat-out coach.


I agree, actually. Most of the problems associated with him can be attributed to two words: Al Davis.
 
2012-11-27 12:36:31 PM  

IanMoone: I don't see the Eagles firing Reid before the end of the season. Why?

Who will take his place? The defensive coordinator? Umm no. The VP of communications? Umm no. They have no one to step into the role.


The OC has head coaching experience.

prosportsblogging.com
 
2012-11-27 12:36:37 PM  

AdamK: meh, i've never cared for the eagles but i've always respected Andy Reid, i wonder where they guy will land


San Diego. I'd bet on it. Most of us won't be happy about it either.
 
2012-11-27 12:37:10 PM  

Gonz: And whatever team hires Tom Cable becomes an immediate contender. I don't know why his name is not mentioned more, that guy can flat-out coach.


shutupshutupSHUTUP

/specifically avoided mentioning him earlier
 
2012-11-27 12:39:35 PM  
Ouch.

DeSean Jackson is out for the year, fractured ribs.

It just keeps getting better for the Iggles.
 
2012-11-27 12:39:48 PM  

sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars


This list isn't that good. The Browns and Jets go in the definite category. The Raiders and Jags can come off the list as they both have first year coaches under first year GMs/Owners. They don't make a change. Then to the maybe list you can Detroit, NO (if Peyton goes to Dallas), Cardinals and maybe Minnesota
 
2012-11-27 12:42:20 PM  

xaks: Ouch.

DeSean Jackson is out for the year, fractured ribs.

It just keeps getting better for the Iggles.


It hardly matters. This team is a dumpster fire and most of the players stopped several weeks ago. DeSean might as well avoid head injuries for a while.
 
2012-11-27 12:47:08 PM  

sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars



My predictions
Chiefs
Eagles
Browns

The maybe list
Panthers
Jaguars

No way they fire Norv at this point.

Jerry will not admit Garrett is a problem after putting him on such a pedestal. He'll allow at least one more mediocre season.

Holmgren quit the Browns. The next guy will bring in his own coach.

Al Davis is dead, and so far it seems Reggie McKenzie is actually running the team. The coach is his guy, for now.
 
2012-11-27 12:49:21 PM  

roc6783: sammyk: ***snip***


Forgot to add Jets to the Maybe list. They seem to be starting a long downward spiral, but who knows if Rex will take the blame.
 
2012-11-27 12:49:44 PM  

Banacek: As much as it bothers me, Reid has to play out the year. There is no reason to fire him now. I don't want to watch the Marty Mornhinweg show almost as much as I don't want to watch Reid finish the season, and no one is getting hired in the next few weeks.

I can't believe that Eagles fans are serious when they say they want Gruden to come in next year. It's like they don't know anything about football...

/ Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there


If they knew anything about football, they wouldn't be Eagles fans...
 
2012-11-27 12:50:06 PM  
I can't believe I'm saying this, but.... this season isn't Andy Reid's fault.

He's still likely going to take the fall for it, but the fact is he has a sustained record of excellence. For all his faults as a coach, he still hasn't had a sub-.500 season since 2005 coontil this year, most likely).

It's probably time for change after his 14 years at the helm, but hard to blame his shortcomings as a coach for the Eagle's struggles this season. And I'm skeptical they'll be able to attract a better coach anyway given the current situation with the team.

Not that it matters, since barring something dramatic Reid will be gone at the end of the season at latest.
 
2012-11-27 12:52:22 PM  
Firing Reid at this point doesn't make much sense. That's something you do if you are trying to salvage a season. This season is already lost.
 
2012-11-27 12:55:51 PM  

Supes: I can't believe I'm saying this, but.... this season isn't Andy Reid's fault.


Considering Andy Reid has picked all of the players and rearranged the whole coaching staff, how on earth is it not his fault?
 
2012-11-27 12:56:17 PM  

Supes: I can't believe I'm saying this, but.... this season isn't Andy Reid's fault.

He's still likely going to take the fall for it, but the fact is he has a sustained record of excellence. For all his faults as a coach, he still hasn't had a sub-.500 season since 2005 coontil this year, most likely).

It's probably time for change after his 14 years at the helm, but hard to blame his shortcomings as a coach for the Eagle's struggles this season. And I'm skeptical they'll be able to attract a better coach anyway given the current situation with the team.

Not that it matters, since barring something dramatic Reid will be gone at the end of the season at latest.


Bolded the important part. I think it's akin to a John Fox with the Panthers/Jeff Fischer with the Titans situation- after being in one place for so long in today's league, it's just time for a change of scenery.

/Loved John Fox with Carolina and cursed FSM when he went to the Broncos.
 
2012-11-27 12:57:34 PM  

On the Side: Banacek: thecpt: Banacek: The choices are either:

1) An offensive/defensive coordinator: I already watched Dirk Koetter coach the Sun Devils. He doesn't know what defense means. Jack Del Rio, Josh McDaniels, and Mike Nolan already failed as head coaches. Who else is there?

I don't know, sometimes it good to give failed coaches a second shot after they've gone back to coordinating. Belicheck failed in Cleveland then went crawling back to big papa Parcells for a couple more years before taking the Pats gig, and that has since turned out pretty well. You can learn a lot in failure and if you're wide turn it to your advantage next time. I know there is a lot of Belicheat hate on fark, but what other team has been as consistently good for as long as the pats have this last dozen years? All the otehr teams that rose have also fallen.

My point, McDaniels or more likely Nolan might not be bad options.


As a Niners fan, I'm obviously pretty happy with where we're at, but I think Nolan has a coaching future somewhere.
 
2012-11-27 12:57:50 PM  
Reid is the best coach the Eagles have had. It will be extremely difficult to upgrade. Most likely, any replacement will not be as good.
That said, the dough boy can lose a few tons. How can someone so grotesquely overweight coach world class athletes?
 
2012-11-27 12:58:14 PM  

Supes: I can't believe I'm saying this, but.... this season isn't Andy Reid's fault.

He's still likely going to take the fall for it, but the fact is he has a sustained record of excellence. For all his faults as a coach, he still hasn't had a sub-.500 season since 2005 coontil this year, most likely).

It's probably time for change after his 14 years at the helm, but hard to blame his shortcomings as a coach for the Eagle's struggles this season. And I'm skeptical they'll be able to attract a better coach anyway given the current situation with the team.

Not that it matters, since barring something dramatic Reid will be gone at the end of the season at latest.


I think that Andy Reid has reached the same point that Jeff Fisher reached with the Titans. Reid has a better won-loss record than Fisher, but both coaches produced consistently good (but not great) teams over a long period of time, lost a Super Bowl, and eventually went into decline.

Whether this season is Reid's fault or not, change is needed.
 
2012-11-27 12:58:32 PM  

MugzyBrown: Supes: I can't believe I'm saying this, but.... this season isn't Andy Reid's fault.

Considering Andy Reid has picked all of the players and rearranged the whole coaching staff, how on earth is it not his fault?


THIS.

Reid has had god-level control over personnel and coaching staff decisions. Whatever this squad is, whatever results it gets on the field or off, are a direct result of HIS decision making.

I don't understand one single logical way you could possibly make an argument that this is anything BUT his direct responsibility.
 
2012-11-27 12:58:34 PM  
It's 1:00 pm in the east..

WHERE THE fark IS THE PRESS RELEASE????

/I've been calling for this fat dope to be canned since 2008..
 
2012-11-27 12:59:26 PM  
I don't know about the Jets. Their problem seems to be personnel, not coaching. Their game plan is solid. Their execution is horrible. Example from the butt fumble game.

Notice that when the players weren't handing the ball over to the other team, the offense was moving just as well as the Patriots offense. I'm not sure how a coach is responsible for players running into their own O-Line.
 
2012-11-27 01:00:05 PM  

FriarReb98: SilentStrider: Firing Reid won't keep Brown from having the dropsies.

Or Vick from being their regular QB. Or, most importantly, from them being the "two Super Bowl appearances and no championships since 1960" Eagles.


these are just more reasons he needs to go. No, he can't control what the players do.. BUT he IS the director of personnel. He's responsible for bringing awful players into town.

Remember, Vick is only an Eagle because Kevin Kolb was a miserable failure. Kevin Kolb was a miserable failure because anyone with eyes and a brain could see he sucks. Andy Reid made the decision to draft him anyway.
 
2012-11-27 01:00:36 PM  

sammyk: The crappy part is we will probably lose Del Rio to a HC position so the DC merry go round is still going.


Hope that Carolina fires Rivera so you have a shot at him as a DC. He's not a great HC, but he's an excellent DC.
 
2012-11-27 01:02:34 PM  

havocmike: It's 1:00 pm in the east..

WHERE THE fark IS THE PRESS RELEASE????

/I've been calling for this fat dope to be canned since 2008..


Here you go
 
2012-11-27 01:03:13 PM  

Kurmudgeon: sammyk: The maybe list

I've got to wonder if Tomlin may make the list. No protection for his quarterback plus no backups except wore out over the hill guys. I understand that stability is a good thing, but you have to wonder when the front office is going to say enough is enough.


No. The Steelers are the Anti-Rooneys. Tomlin has that job until he decides to retire
 
2012-11-27 01:03:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Kurmudgeon: sammyk: The maybe list

I've got to wonder if Tomlin may make the list. No protection for his quarterback plus no backups except wore out over the hill guys. I understand that stability is a good thing, but you have to wonder when the front office is going to say enough is enough.

No. The Steelers are the Anti-Rooneys Snyders. Tomlin has that job until he decides to retire


f*cking preview, how does it work
 
2012-11-27 01:04:55 PM  

IAmRight: Gonz: And whatever team hires Tom Cable becomes an immediate contender. I don't know why his name is not mentioned more, that guy can flat-out coach.

shutupshutupSHUTUP

/specifically avoided mentioning him earlier


Yeah, because if a guy on the internet knows about a really good coach, NFL front offices won't.

OK, I'll make an exception for about 4 franchises, but still, my point holds.
 
2012-11-27 01:06:58 PM  

havocmike: Remember, Vick is only an Eagle because Kevin Kolb was a miserable failure. Kevin Kolb was a miserable failure because anyone with eyes and a brain could see he sucks. Andy Reid made the decision to draft him anyway.


Kevin Kolb was a success for the Eagles. They drafted him in the 2nd, then traded him for a 2nd + DRC. Arizona is stuck with yet another low ceiling QB, but that's not Reid's problem.

Vick is an Eagle because they gave him a really dumb extension after he put together a couple good games. It's still on Andy, but the Kolb part of the situation was handled fine. Drafting QBs is always a little dicey and he got out of it without losing much.
 
2012-11-27 01:07:42 PM  

roc6783: sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars


My predictions
Chiefs
Eagles
Browns

The maybe list
Panthers
Jaguars

No way they fire Norv at this point.

Jerry will not admit Garrett is a problem after putting him on such a pedestal. He'll allow at least one more mediocre season.

Holmgren quit the Browns. The next guy will bring in his own coach.

Al Davis is dead, and so far it seems Reggie McKenzie is actually running the team. The coach is his guy, for now.


I'm okay with the Raiders keeping Allen for now, new GM and new coach, of course there will be some growing pains (team was a mess to begin with). However, I will have no problem if they can Knapp and his shiatty play calling that has nullified McFadden with the stupid zone blocking scheme.
 
2012-11-27 01:08:51 PM  

MugzyBrown: Supes: I can't believe I'm saying this, but.... this season isn't Andy Reid's fault.

Considering Andy Reid has picked all of the players and rearranged the whole coaching staff, how on earth is it not his fault?


True, but preseason for both this year and last year commentators and pundits have called the Eagles roster one of the deepest and most talented in the league, labeling the team as Super Bowl contenders.

It's easy to blame Reid for "having a talented team" and failing to succeed. But the fact is players got injured and other players failed to live up to expectations. Blame him for choosing the wrong players if you want, but in that case everyone was wrong when evaluating the Eagles roster.

Just because he "hand-picked" players and coaches doesn't mean it's all his fault they don't perform.

/Giants fan, and I can't count how many "fire Tom Coughlin" articles I've read in the past 8 years....
 
2012-11-27 01:14:17 PM  
The biggest shock to me is Asomugha's play. What happened to that guy? Is he not able to play in a zone? The raiders always had him in man coverage on only one side of the field (wouldn't follow #1 WR). I feel bad for arguing Asomugha vs Revis a couple seasons ago.
 
2012-11-27 01:16:07 PM  

Supes: True, but preseason for both this year and last year commentators and pundits have called the Eagles roster one of the deepest and most talented in the league, labeling the team as Super Bowl contenders.

It's easy to blame Reid for "having a talented team" and failing to succeed. But the fact is players got injured and other players failed to live up to expectations. Blame him for choosing the wrong players if you want, but in that case everyone was wrong when evaluating the Eagles roster.


Andy Reid fired a defensive coordinator, hired a defensive line coach, then couldn't find a defensive coordinator to work with the defensive line coach, so he moved a very successful offensive line coach to defensive coordinator so he could bring Howard Mudd out of retirement to fark up the offensive line.

That alone is fireable.

This doesn't take into account some of the worst drafting in franchise history over the past few years.
 
2012-11-27 01:19:44 PM  

Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010


For reference the bills haven't been to the playoffs in Any of the 2000's

And for whatever insane reason or gm says our coaches job is safe
 
2012-11-27 01:19:52 PM  

4NSpy: The biggest shock to me is Asomugha's play. What happened to that guy? Is he not able to play in a zone? The raiders always had him in man coverage on only one side of the field (wouldn't follow #1 WR). I feel bad for arguing Asomugha vs Revis a couple seasons ago.


This is pretty much it.

He's a very good man-cover, bump n run type cover corner.

Zone, not so much.
 
2012-11-27 01:19:56 PM  

degenerate-afro: I don't know about the Jets. Their problem seems to be personnel, not coaching. Their game plan is solid. Their execution is horrible. Example from the butt fumble game.
Notice that when the players weren't handing the ball over to the other team, the offense was moving just as well as the Patriots offense. I'm not sure how a coach is responsible for players running into their own O-Line.


The Jets have bigger issues than what's on the field. They have had a divided locker room for two seasons. That was a problem in Baltimore under Billick/Ryan, and one of the main reasons Baltimore signed Harbaugh instead of Ryan. Ryan's statements that he had 'no clue' (easy GIS to find) at the end of last season were very telling. If you can't get the players to work and think as a team when it matters, you should not be the HC. Ryan is a great DC, except for the locker dividing quality, which is terrible in a HC.
 
2012-11-27 01:25:45 PM  

Rhypskallion: degenerate-afro: I don't know about the Jets. Their problem seems to be personnel, not coaching. Their game plan is solid. Their execution is horrible. Example from the butt fumble game.
Notice that when the players weren't handing the ball over to the other team, the offense was moving just as well as the Patriots offense. I'm not sure how a coach is responsible for players running into their own O-Line.

The Jets have bigger issues than what's on the field. They have had a divided locker room for two seasons. That was a problem in Baltimore under Billick/Ryan, and one of the main reasons Baltimore signed Harbaugh instead of Ryan. Ryan's statements that he had 'no clue' (easy GIS to find) at the end of last season were very telling. If you can't get the players to work and think as a team when it matters, you should not be the HC. Ryan is a great DC, except for the locker dividing quality, which is terrible in a HC.


I wasn't even the running into his own OL that was the sad part. What was sad was that Sanchez and the RB had a complete miscommunication on a basic "hand off the ball and run straight ahead" play. How in the hell can you miss that?
 
2012-11-27 01:26:14 PM  

Supes: Just because he "hand-picked" players and coaches doesn't mean it's all his fault they don't perform.


Forget the players, Andy Reid is *DIRECTLY* responsible for the mess on the defense. He's the one who hired a defensive line coach - before hiring a new DC, I might add - to implement a gimmicky scheme that they didn't have the right players (or rest of the coaching staff, for that matter) to run. He then compounded that mess by moving his o-line coach to be DC, a move that not one person outside of the Eagles organization could see the logic of. He then *blamed* that particular person (For letting Reid promote him, I guess) for the defense not being able to overcome the offensive ineptitude, and fired him during the bye to "send a message", yet left every other part of the defense and coaching staff intact. The team responded by... having one of the worst Eagle defenses in the past 30 years since then.

I'm sorry, but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with injuries or anything else. Every part of that is on Andy Reid's shoulders.
 
2012-11-27 01:29:43 PM  

Supes: True, but preseason for both this year and last year commentators and pundits have called the Eagles roster one of the deepest and most talented in the league, labeling the team as Super Bowl contenders.

It's easy to blame Reid for "having a talented team" and failing to succeed. But the fact is players got injured and other players failed to live up to expectations. Blame him for choosing the wrong players if you want, but in that case everyone was wrong when evaluating the Eagles roster.


And where exactly is that talent? Anyone who pays a lick of attention to the league should know that the Eagles are far from talented. Sure, they have some "name" players, but none of those guys have talent where it matters - hitting people. They are a soft, soft team all around. They have speed but no size, which is why they get bullied on both sides of the ball. They also have no depth whatsoever, which is why their special teams are terrible.

Those pundits and commentators don't lose their jobs if they're wrong about the talent on one team, so they stick with what they know. The eagles have been a moderately successful team for a while, so they don't bother to look any deeper than that. The Eagles haven't been a good team - or a team with a lot of talent - for a few seasons now. It takes some time for the talking heads to catch up to reality.
 
2012-11-27 01:38:23 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: 3) A college coach: I think Kelly is at the best of the lot, but I'm willing to hear other suggestions.

I actually think the best college coach is the only guy this year to beat Chip Kelly. I believe that any team that hires David Shaw will be very happy with their decision, so I hope he doesn't go to a team I hate, like the Raiders or Cowboys.


O'Brien or whatever his name is at Penn St did a near amazing job. He seems like he might be a good choice. I hope he stays at Penn St though.
 
2012-11-27 01:42:29 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Forget the players, Andy Reid is *DIRECTLY* responsible for the mess on the defense. He's the one who hired a defensive line coach - before hiring a new DC, I might add...


I agree with all of that but it is even worse. He hired an offensive line coach to be the new DC. They guy hadn't coached defense since 1989, when he was the DC of a high school team.

Right after he did it people were calling it insane...and it was
 
2012-11-27 02:20:21 PM  

ghall3: Right after he did it people were calling it insane...and it was


The funny thing is that it was sort of working out at the beginning of the season (they were giving up some points, but the offense was turning the ball over like crazy and you can only ask the defense to make so many stops with a short field), then he fired Castillo and it totally went to shiat.
 
2012-11-27 02:29:41 PM  
Andy Reid could murder a hooker and leave her hanging from the Independence Hall balcolny and STILL seem to not get fired nowadays.
 
2012-11-27 02:47:38 PM  

ghall3: Joe_diGriz: Forget the players, Andy Reid is *DIRECTLY* responsible for the mess on the defense. He's the one who hired a defensive line coach - before hiring a new DC, I might add...

I agree with all of that but it is even worse. He hired an offensive line coach to be the new DC. They guy hadn't coached defense since 1989, when he was the DC of a high school team.

Right after he did it people were calling it insane...and it was


The funny part about all of this is that the defense played better when Juan Castillo was the DC than they are now under Todd Bowles.
 
2012-11-27 02:49:02 PM  

4NSpy: roc6783: sammyk: ***snip***

I'm okay with the Raiders keeping Allen for now, new GM and new coach, of course there will be some growing pains (team was a mess to begin with). However, I will have no problem if they can Knapp and his shiatty play calling that has nullified McFadden with the stupid zone blocking scheme.


Things should be really interesting for the Raiders in a few years if McKenzie pans out as well as either guy he worked for. Hopefully for them, he is a little more Ron Wolf and a little less Ted Thompson.

///Yes, I am still (barely) bitter about not giving Buffalo a 4th rounder for Marshawn Lynch.
 
2012-11-27 02:49:07 PM  

you have pee hands: ghall3: Right after he did it people were calling it insane...and it was

The funny thing is that it was sort of working out at the beginning of the season (they were giving up some points, but the offense was turning the ball over like crazy and you can only ask the defense to make so many stops with a short field), then he fired Castillo and it totally went to shiat.


Or I could have just quoted this. Castillo was a better DC and the prerequisite scape goat.
 
2012-11-27 02:57:54 PM  

degenerate-afro: Or I could have just quoted this. Castillo was a better DC and the prerequisite scape goat.


Was it a good decision to promote him in the first place? No, of course not. But Castillo also had a HUGE disadvantage outside of the experience thing - he was being forced to run someone else's system. (A system, I might add, which isn't exactly straightforward to begin with.) He was doing okay, all things considered, and probably could have grown into the job given enough time. But it's amazing how quickly the defense kinda just threw up their hands and quit once Reid hit the panic button and fired him.
 
2012-11-27 03:04:49 PM  

havocmike: FriarReb98: SilentStrider: Firing Reid won't keep Brown from having the dropsies.

Or Vick from being their regular QB. Or, most importantly, from them being the "two Super Bowl appearances and no championships since 1960" Eagles.

these are just more reasons he needs to go. No, he can't control what the players do.. BUT he IS the director of personnel. He's responsible for bringing awful players into town.

Remember, Vick is only an Eagle because Kevin Kolb was a miserable failure. Kevin Kolb was a miserable failure because anyone with eyes and a brain could see he sucks. Andy Reid made the decision to draft him anyway.


Vick is the Eagles starting QB because Kolb got concussed in the first game of what was supposed to be his season as the starter.
 
2012-11-27 03:21:19 PM  

degenerate-afro: The funny part about all of this is that the defense played better when Juan Castillo was the DC than they are now under Todd Bowles.


Juan Castillo's stock should really just keep going up. I mean, with no experience really, on that side of the ball, they move him to DC from O-Line, the O-Line is now complete and utter sh*t. They get rid of him at DC, and the defense gets significantly worse.
 
2012-11-27 03:28:09 PM  

degenerate-afro: ghall3: Joe_diGriz: ***snip***
The funny part about all of this is that the defense played better when Juan Castillo was the DC than they are now under Todd Bowles.


Every time the Eagles gave up a huge play, they cut to him on the sidelines and he had this weird half smile smirk-thing. Creeped me out.
 
2012-11-27 03:39:06 PM  

roc6783:
Every time the Eagles gave up a huge play, they cut to him on the sidelines and he had this weird half smile smirk-thing. Creeped me out.


Speaking of weird smiles, was a Redskins receiver wearing vampire fangs on his mouthpiece Thursday?
 
2012-11-27 03:39:53 PM  
It continues:

NFL.com breaking news: Eagle released Babin
 
2012-11-27 03:45:11 PM  

xaks: It continues:

NFL.com breaking news: Eagle released Babin


You go fire your friends, it's always your friends, it's never you...

/fun bonus fact: Taylor's an Eagles fan
 
2012-11-27 03:51:27 PM  
The Eagles have the worst safeties I have ever seen play football. Not only can they not cover, nor can they tackle, but they often run waaaay out of position.

Here is a list of all of the DBs drafted from 2003 - Present by the eagles:

Matt Ware
J.R. Reed
Dexter Wynn
Norman Lejeune
Sean Considine
C.J. Gaddis
Rashad Barksdale
Quintin Demps
Jack Ikegwuonu
Victor Harris
Kurt Coleman
Trevard Lindley
Daniel Te'p-Nesheim
Nate Allen
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Curtis Marsh
Brandon Boykin

They all either sucked or never saw the field. Boykin is the only one who is not yet a total bust because he's just a rookie.
 
2012-11-27 04:16:00 PM  
Just as Reid proved in firing Castillo a number of weeks ago, there are few upsides to firing a coach in the middle of the season. The replacement would likely be Morningwheg and he's as culpable as Reid for the awful state of the O line. What improvement has been witnessed in the defense since Castillo got canned and Bowles took over? None might be a good answer because, in fact, the defense got worse.

Short answer -- this team is a mess and a very large broom needs to sweep all the coaches and a number of overpaid, and disinterested players out of Philly. About the only certain keepers from this squad are Jason Peters and LeSean McCoy (once they're healthy) and possibly a defensive linesman or so. The Michael Vick experiment is over and the only way Foles stays on the team is if he shows improvement between now and the end of the year. The defensive secondary should be taken out back and put down like one of Vick's underperforming fighting mutts.
 
2012-11-27 04:22:48 PM  

MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin


Any relation to the Packers receiver?
 
2012-11-27 04:30:55 PM  

xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

Any relation to the Packers receiver?


He sucks?
 
2012-11-27 04:39:38 PM  

roc6783: xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

Any relation to the Packers receiver?

He sucks?


LOL

No, I just noticed the unusual last name and it clicked in my head. Wasn't commenting on the quality of play, or player for that matter.
 
2012-11-27 04:48:15 PM  

MugzyBrown: The Eagles have the worst safeties I have ever seen play football. Not only can they not cover, nor can they tackle, but they often run waaaay out of position.

Here is a list of all of the DBs drafted from 2003 - Present by the eagles:

Matt Ware
J.R. Reed
Dexter Wynn
Norman Lejeune
Sean Considine
C.J. Gaddis
Rashad Barksdale
Quintin Demps
Jack Ikegwuonu
Victor Harris
Kurt Coleman
Trevard Lindley
Daniel Te'p-Nesheim
Nate Allen
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Curtis Marsh
Brandon Boykin

They all either sucked or never saw the field. Boykin is the only one who is not yet a total bust because he's just a rookie.


The depressing thing is that the Eagles used to be among the best at drafting and developing DBs. Bobby Taylor, Brian Dawkins, and Lito Sheppard were all Pro Bowl-caliber players. And the team showed a commitment to keeping a strong DB core--they drafted Sheppard and Sheldon Brown while Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor were still playing at a high level. The ability of the front office to detect and draft real defensive talent has declined significantly over time.
 
2012-11-27 04:51:46 PM  

xaks: roc6783: xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

Any relation to the Packers receiver?

He sucks?

LOL

No, I just noticed the unusual last name and it clicked in my head. Wasn't commenting on the quality of play, or player for that matter.


Jarrett's Packers.com bio mentions a cousin (DeAngelo Lloyd) who tried out with the Packers in 2001, but no other mention, so I would guess not.

///Jarrett isn't actually bad, he just rarely sees the field. Conversely, all Rodgers ever sees is the field.
 
2012-11-27 04:53:16 PM  

xaks: 4NSpy: The biggest shock to me is Asomugha's play. What happened to that guy? Is he not able to play in a zone? The raiders always had him in man coverage on only one side of the field (wouldn't follow #1 WR). I feel bad for arguing Asomugha vs Revis a couple seasons ago.

This is pretty much it.

He's a very good man-cover, bump n run type cover corner.

Zone, not so much.


It's like the Jeremiah Trotter story in reverse. Trotter was a monster with the Eagles, because his abilities meshed well with the scheme that the Eagles played. When he signed with the Redskins, his effectiveness declined dramatically because he didn't fit their scheme.

Who knows, maybe the next coaching staff will institute more man-coverage.
 
2012-11-27 05:13:26 PM  

roc6783: xaks: roc6783: xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

Any relation to the Packers receiver?

He sucks?

LOL

No, I just noticed the unusual last name and it clicked in my head. Wasn't commenting on the quality of play, or player for that matter.

Jarrett's Packers.com bio mentions a cousin (DeAngelo Lloyd) who tried out with the Packers in 2001, but no other mention, so I would guess not.

///Jarrett isn't actually bad, he just rarely sees the field. Conversely, all Rodgers ever sees is the field.


Packers fan....you are SOOOOOOOOOOOO correct. Much like the Eagles can't draft safety's, Packers can't draft O-linemen. Although if this means listening to my Phily area relatives being pissed about how the Eagles suck I'm ok with it.
 
2012-11-27 05:20:35 PM  
Pretty good writeup about the Eagles on ESPN

You have to assume that the next two,three years are rebuilding years. Trade everyone that can be traded for draft picks. Wait till '14 to get a new QB. The Eagles have to pay the price for the past five years. Get it over with sooner rather then later.
 
2012-11-27 05:32:29 PM  

eagles95: roc6783: xaks: roc6783: xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

***snip***

Packers fan....you are SOOOOOOOOOOOO correct. Much like the Eagles can't draft safety's, Packers can't draft O-linemen. Although if this means listening to my Phily area relatives being pissed about how the Eagles suck I'm ok with it.


I would only edit that to say Ted Thompson can't draft O-Linemen. Ron Wolf added several good lineman during his tenure.
 
2012-11-27 06:16:39 PM  

Banacek: Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010

And zero Super Bowl rings and a clear trajectory downwards going forward? It's weird how your post missed that, seeing that you knew that already.


Since 2000 how many teams have SB rings? 7 teams? , Pats, Bucs, Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Giants, and Saints.

I maintain that Reid has been a winner for Philly. It might be time to part ways, but I respect what he has accomplished. He has (at worst) put an above average team on the field.
 
2012-11-27 06:25:04 PM  

MugzyBrown: Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010

Would you keep a coach who missed the playoffs two years in a row and hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years?


If you could trade the last decade with any team in the league over the last decade who would it be/ For every Pittsburg and New England out there there is a Kansas City and Detroit. There are only a few elite teams that have had more success than the eagles. I'd give the last decade or so a B+ for the Eagles. You have better than the Skins and the Cowboys in your division.
 
2012-11-27 06:44:03 PM  

Devo: I maintain that Reid has been a winner for Philly. It might be time to part ways, but I respect what he has accomplished. He has (at worst) put an above average team on the field.


Reid was in the right place at the right time. He hit big by drafting Donovan McNabb, who made Reid's terrible system work. And he thrived with Ray Rhodes' defensive talent. Notice that as those players fell off or were kicked out the door, Reid's teams declined. He's not a good coach, he just had players that could overcome his deficiencies. As a talent evaluator he sucks, especially on defense.
 
2012-11-27 08:56:15 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Reid was in the right place at the right time. He hit big by drafting Donovan McNabb, who made Reid's terrible system work. And he thrived with Ray Rhodes' defensive talent.


Not to mention that defensive talent being coached by one of the best defensive minds in the business at the time. The bleeding of talent hurt, but the loss of Jim Johnson accelerated the decline.
 
2012-11-27 10:39:57 PM  

Devo: Banacek: Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010

And zero Super Bowl rings and a clear trajectory downwards going forward? It's weird how your post missed that, seeing that you knew that already.

Since 2000 how many teams have SB rings? 7 teams? , Pats, Bucs, Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Giants, and Saints.

I maintain that Reid has been a winner for Philly. It might be time to part ways, but I respect what he has accomplished. He has (at worst) put an above average team on the field.


Son, I am disappoint.

media.lehighvalleylive.com
 
2012-11-28 02:07:48 AM  
Im going to make an observation I call the "Bruce Webber Comparison"

When Illinois recently fired Bruce Webber from the basketball program, they quickly realized that the best available coach to hire to replace him was Bruce Webber.

They ended up with a lower tier candidate who may or may not turn out well. They did not end up with the big name candidate they had thought they would, and did settle for an inferior situation.

My point is that recently every time I have heard speculation about what coaches a DIFFERENT NFL team might be looking at next year, it seems a no brainer that their first choice would be Andy Reid. As soon as Philly fires Andy Reid, he becomes the best available coach for them to hire.

Since that means WHOEVER they hire would be inferior, it might not be a bad idea just to keep him and ignore the fact they had a bad year.
 
2012-11-28 12:20:55 PM  

I sound fat: Im going to make an observation I call the "Bruce Webber Comparison"

When Illinois recently fired Bruce Webber from the basketball program, they quickly realized that the best available coach to hire to replace him was Bruce Webber.

They ended up with a lower tier candidate who may or may not turn out well. They did not end up with the big name candidate they had thought they would, and did settle for an inferior situation.

My point is that recently every time I have heard speculation about what coaches a DIFFERENT NFL team might be looking at next year, it seems a no brainer that their first choice would be Andy Reid. As soon as Philly fires Andy Reid, he becomes the best available coach for them to hire.

Since that means WHOEVER they hire would be inferior, it might not be a bad idea just to keep him and ignore the fact they had a bad year.


The worst coach for another can be the best coach for a different team
 
2012-11-28 01:13:27 PM  

dragyne: I sound fat: ***snip***

Since that means WHOEVER they hire would be inferior, it might not be a bad idea just to keep him and ignore the fact they had a bad year.

The worst coach for another can be the best coach for a different team


I'm not suggesting that Andy Reid is or isn't the best coach available, but for illustration, here is the coaching class of 2006:

Coach Team

Rod Marinelli Lions

Scott Linehan Rams

Herm Edwards Chiefs

Brad Childress Vikings

Gary Kubiak Texans

Eric Mangini Jets


Dick Jauron Bills

Sean Payton Saints

Mike McCarthy Packers


*Art Shell Raiders

The bolded guys are the ones that had no previous HC experience before 2006. The "best available" coach on that list in 2006 would have been Herm Edwards. Redo do that now, and you have a bidding war for Payton, McCarthy, and Kubiak.

*Art Shell is only included for completeness, no one is sure what he actually did that year.
 
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