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(Philly.com)   Now looks like a good time to fire Andy Reid   (philly.com) divider line 122
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2012-11-27 03:39:06 PM  

roc6783:
Every time the Eagles gave up a huge play, they cut to him on the sidelines and he had this weird half smile smirk-thing. Creeped me out.


Speaking of weird smiles, was a Redskins receiver wearing vampire fangs on his mouthpiece Thursday?
 
2012-11-27 03:39:53 PM  
It continues:

NFL.com breaking news: Eagle released Babin
 
2012-11-27 03:45:11 PM  

xaks: It continues:

NFL.com breaking news: Eagle released Babin


You go fire your friends, it's always your friends, it's never you...

/fun bonus fact: Taylor's an Eagles fan
 
2012-11-27 03:51:27 PM  
The Eagles have the worst safeties I have ever seen play football. Not only can they not cover, nor can they tackle, but they often run waaaay out of position.

Here is a list of all of the DBs drafted from 2003 - Present by the eagles:

Matt Ware
J.R. Reed
Dexter Wynn
Norman Lejeune
Sean Considine
C.J. Gaddis
Rashad Barksdale
Quintin Demps
Jack Ikegwuonu
Victor Harris
Kurt Coleman
Trevard Lindley
Daniel Te'p-Nesheim
Nate Allen
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Curtis Marsh
Brandon Boykin

They all either sucked or never saw the field. Boykin is the only one who is not yet a total bust because he's just a rookie.
 
2012-11-27 04:16:00 PM  
Just as Reid proved in firing Castillo a number of weeks ago, there are few upsides to firing a coach in the middle of the season. The replacement would likely be Morningwheg and he's as culpable as Reid for the awful state of the O line. What improvement has been witnessed in the defense since Castillo got canned and Bowles took over? None might be a good answer because, in fact, the defense got worse.

Short answer -- this team is a mess and a very large broom needs to sweep all the coaches and a number of overpaid, and disinterested players out of Philly. About the only certain keepers from this squad are Jason Peters and LeSean McCoy (once they're healthy) and possibly a defensive linesman or so. The Michael Vick experiment is over and the only way Foles stays on the team is if he shows improvement between now and the end of the year. The defensive secondary should be taken out back and put down like one of Vick's underperforming fighting mutts.
 
2012-11-27 04:22:48 PM  

MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin


Any relation to the Packers receiver?
 
2012-11-27 04:30:55 PM  

xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

Any relation to the Packers receiver?


He sucks?
 
2012-11-27 04:39:38 PM  

roc6783: xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

Any relation to the Packers receiver?

He sucks?


LOL

No, I just noticed the unusual last name and it clicked in my head. Wasn't commenting on the quality of play, or player for that matter.
 
2012-11-27 04:48:15 PM  

MugzyBrown: The Eagles have the worst safeties I have ever seen play football. Not only can they not cover, nor can they tackle, but they often run waaaay out of position.

Here is a list of all of the DBs drafted from 2003 - Present by the eagles:

Matt Ware
J.R. Reed
Dexter Wynn
Norman Lejeune
Sean Considine
C.J. Gaddis
Rashad Barksdale
Quintin Demps
Jack Ikegwuonu
Victor Harris
Kurt Coleman
Trevard Lindley
Daniel Te'p-Nesheim
Nate Allen
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Curtis Marsh
Brandon Boykin

They all either sucked or never saw the field. Boykin is the only one who is not yet a total bust because he's just a rookie.


The depressing thing is that the Eagles used to be among the best at drafting and developing DBs. Bobby Taylor, Brian Dawkins, and Lito Sheppard were all Pro Bowl-caliber players. And the team showed a commitment to keeping a strong DB core--they drafted Sheppard and Sheldon Brown while Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor were still playing at a high level. The ability of the front office to detect and draft real defensive talent has declined significantly over time.
 
2012-11-27 04:51:46 PM  

xaks: roc6783: xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

Any relation to the Packers receiver?

He sucks?

LOL

No, I just noticed the unusual last name and it clicked in my head. Wasn't commenting on the quality of play, or player for that matter.


Jarrett's Packers.com bio mentions a cousin (DeAngelo Lloyd) who tried out with the Packers in 2001, but no other mention, so I would guess not.

///Jarrett isn't actually bad, he just rarely sees the field. Conversely, all Rodgers ever sees is the field.
 
2012-11-27 04:53:16 PM  

xaks: 4NSpy: The biggest shock to me is Asomugha's play. What happened to that guy? Is he not able to play in a zone? The raiders always had him in man coverage on only one side of the field (wouldn't follow #1 WR). I feel bad for arguing Asomugha vs Revis a couple seasons ago.

This is pretty much it.

He's a very good man-cover, bump n run type cover corner.

Zone, not so much.


It's like the Jeremiah Trotter story in reverse. Trotter was a monster with the Eagles, because his abilities meshed well with the scheme that the Eagles played. When he signed with the Redskins, his effectiveness declined dramatically because he didn't fit their scheme.

Who knows, maybe the next coaching staff will institute more man-coverage.
 
2012-11-27 05:13:26 PM  

roc6783: xaks: roc6783: xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

Any relation to the Packers receiver?

He sucks?

LOL

No, I just noticed the unusual last name and it clicked in my head. Wasn't commenting on the quality of play, or player for that matter.

Jarrett's Packers.com bio mentions a cousin (DeAngelo Lloyd) who tried out with the Packers in 2001, but no other mention, so I would guess not.

///Jarrett isn't actually bad, he just rarely sees the field. Conversely, all Rodgers ever sees is the field.


Packers fan....you are SOOOOOOOOOOOO correct. Much like the Eagles can't draft safety's, Packers can't draft O-linemen. Although if this means listening to my Phily area relatives being pissed about how the Eagles suck I'm ok with it.
 
2012-11-27 05:20:35 PM  
Pretty good writeup about the Eagles on ESPN

You have to assume that the next two,three years are rebuilding years. Trade everyone that can be traded for draft picks. Wait till '14 to get a new QB. The Eagles have to pay the price for the past five years. Get it over with sooner rather then later.
 
2012-11-27 05:32:29 PM  

eagles95: roc6783: xaks: roc6783: xaks: MugzyBrown: Brandon Boykin

***snip***

Packers fan....you are SOOOOOOOOOOOO correct. Much like the Eagles can't draft safety's, Packers can't draft O-linemen. Although if this means listening to my Phily area relatives being pissed about how the Eagles suck I'm ok with it.


I would only edit that to say Ted Thompson can't draft O-Linemen. Ron Wolf added several good lineman during his tenure.
 
2012-11-27 06:16:39 PM  

Banacek: Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010

And zero Super Bowl rings and a clear trajectory downwards going forward? It's weird how your post missed that, seeing that you knew that already.


Since 2000 how many teams have SB rings? 7 teams? , Pats, Bucs, Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Giants, and Saints.

I maintain that Reid has been a winner for Philly. It might be time to part ways, but I respect what he has accomplished. He has (at worst) put an above average team on the field.
 
2012-11-27 06:25:04 PM  

MugzyBrown: Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010

Would you keep a coach who missed the playoffs two years in a row and hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years?


If you could trade the last decade with any team in the league over the last decade who would it be/ For every Pittsburg and New England out there there is a Kansas City and Detroit. There are only a few elite teams that have had more success than the eagles. I'd give the last decade or so a B+ for the Eagles. You have better than the Skins and the Cowboys in your division.
 
2012-11-27 06:44:03 PM  

Devo: I maintain that Reid has been a winner for Philly. It might be time to part ways, but I respect what he has accomplished. He has (at worst) put an above average team on the field.


Reid was in the right place at the right time. He hit big by drafting Donovan McNabb, who made Reid's terrible system work. And he thrived with Ray Rhodes' defensive talent. Notice that as those players fell off or were kicked out the door, Reid's teams declined. He's not a good coach, he just had players that could overcome his deficiencies. As a talent evaluator he sucks, especially on defense.
 
2012-11-27 08:56:15 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Reid was in the right place at the right time. He hit big by drafting Donovan McNabb, who made Reid's terrible system work. And he thrived with Ray Rhodes' defensive talent.


Not to mention that defensive talent being coached by one of the best defensive minds in the business at the time. The bleeding of talent hurt, but the loss of Jim Johnson accelerated the decline.
 
2012-11-27 10:39:57 PM  

Devo: Banacek: Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010

And zero Super Bowl rings and a clear trajectory downwards going forward? It's weird how your post missed that, seeing that you knew that already.

Since 2000 how many teams have SB rings? 7 teams? , Pats, Bucs, Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Giants, and Saints.

I maintain that Reid has been a winner for Philly. It might be time to part ways, but I respect what he has accomplished. He has (at worst) put an above average team on the field.


Son, I am disappoint.

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2012-11-28 02:07:48 AM  
Im going to make an observation I call the "Bruce Webber Comparison"

When Illinois recently fired Bruce Webber from the basketball program, they quickly realized that the best available coach to hire to replace him was Bruce Webber.

They ended up with a lower tier candidate who may or may not turn out well. They did not end up with the big name candidate they had thought they would, and did settle for an inferior situation.

My point is that recently every time I have heard speculation about what coaches a DIFFERENT NFL team might be looking at next year, it seems a no brainer that their first choice would be Andy Reid. As soon as Philly fires Andy Reid, he becomes the best available coach for them to hire.

Since that means WHOEVER they hire would be inferior, it might not be a bad idea just to keep him and ignore the fact they had a bad year.
 
2012-11-28 12:20:55 PM  

I sound fat: Im going to make an observation I call the "Bruce Webber Comparison"

When Illinois recently fired Bruce Webber from the basketball program, they quickly realized that the best available coach to hire to replace him was Bruce Webber.

They ended up with a lower tier candidate who may or may not turn out well. They did not end up with the big name candidate they had thought they would, and did settle for an inferior situation.

My point is that recently every time I have heard speculation about what coaches a DIFFERENT NFL team might be looking at next year, it seems a no brainer that their first choice would be Andy Reid. As soon as Philly fires Andy Reid, he becomes the best available coach for them to hire.

Since that means WHOEVER they hire would be inferior, it might not be a bad idea just to keep him and ignore the fact they had a bad year.


The worst coach for another can be the best coach for a different team
 
2012-11-28 01:13:27 PM  

dragyne: I sound fat: ***snip***

Since that means WHOEVER they hire would be inferior, it might not be a bad idea just to keep him and ignore the fact they had a bad year.

The worst coach for another can be the best coach for a different team


I'm not suggesting that Andy Reid is or isn't the best coach available, but for illustration, here is the coaching class of 2006:

Coach Team

Rod Marinelli Lions

Scott Linehan Rams

Herm Edwards Chiefs

Brad Childress Vikings

Gary Kubiak Texans

Eric Mangini Jets


Dick Jauron Bills

Sean Payton Saints

Mike McCarthy Packers


*Art Shell Raiders

The bolded guys are the ones that had no previous HC experience before 2006. The "best available" coach on that list in 2006 would have been Herm Edwards. Redo do that now, and you have a bidding war for Payton, McCarthy, and Kubiak.

*Art Shell is only included for completeness, no one is sure what he actually did that year.
 
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