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2012-11-27 08:30:28 AM
Firing Reid won't keep Brown from having the dropsies.
 
2012-11-27 08:48:32 AM

SilentStrider: Firing Reid won't keep Brown from having the dropsies.


Or Vick from being their regular QB. Or, most importantly, from them being the "two Super Bowl appearances and no championships since 1960" Eagles.
 
2012-11-27 09:15:56 AM

FriarReb98: SilentStrider: Firing Reid won't keep Brown from having the dropsies.

Or Vick from being their regular QB. Or, most importantly, from them being the "two Super Bowl appearances and no championships since 1960" Eagles.


To be fair, he and Vermeil are the only ones to even get them to the SB.
 
2012-11-27 09:44:53 AM
Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars
 
2012-11-27 09:48:40 AM

sammyk: Raiders


Raiders should be just for tradition - fire their HC every year, expect to improve.
 
2012-11-27 10:09:17 AM

sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars


I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:21 AM
"Now" was 2 years ago.
 
2012-11-27 10:31:36 AM
The easiest time to kick someone is when they're down.
 
2012-11-27 10:34:51 AM

sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars


I'd move the Bills into the definite list, and the maybes... if what tnpir says is true and the Cowboys are safe, I have a hard time believing that so many coaches are gone after a single year. I would've put the Jags in the definite column until last week, but switching to Henne has got them playing at a much higher level than they were before.
 
2012-11-27 10:47:30 AM

GAT_00: "Now" was 2 years ago.


Esto.
 
2012-11-27 10:49:06 AM

tnpir: sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars

I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.


Fellow Bronco fan! 6 game win streaks are awesome!

I don't see the Bills making a change. Chan Gailey has only been on the job since 2010. I think he will get another year. It's hard to say what the Cowboys will do. I actually think Jerry is considering getting a real GM and stop meddling so much. He demands championships, and I think he is starting to see himself as part of the problem. Who knows what will happen with a new GM. I could also see the Cards making a change, but Ken Whisenhunt is a solid coach, and they may hang onto him seeing how so many other teams will be making a change and quality head coaching candidates may be hard to come by.

The crappy part is we will probably lose Del Rio to a HC position so the DC merry go round is still going.
 
2012-11-27 10:50:55 AM

tnpir: sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars

I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.


Add the J-E-S-T to the definite list as well. Rex Ryan would have gotten lynched on Thanksgiving if any Jets fans had bothered staying to the end of the game.
 
2012-11-27 10:54:45 AM
There are only benefits to letting Andy play it out. A) They can get a higher pick and B) It shows extreme loyalty for a long term coach which can help you net a big player for next year.

I'm thinking Shermer gets another year than Andy takes over in Cleveland.
 
2012-11-27 10:59:48 AM

TheManofPA: I'm thinking Shermer gets another year than Andy takes over in Cleveland.


Never gonna happen. Andy Reid and Joe Banner absolutely hate each other from their time together in Philadelphia, there's no way in hell Banner would go along with Reid being brought in to coach.
 
2012-11-27 11:00:19 AM
No. I like being able to consistently bet against him
 
2012-11-27 11:01:01 AM

GAT_00: "Now" was 2 6 years ago.


FTFY. Reid couldn't get the job done with the best team he'll ever have. They should have brought in a new coach when it was absolutely clear that Reid would not work to improve his coaching and drafting issues. At least in 2006 they would have had a quality QB and the tattered remnants of Ray Rhodes' defensive talent to get them over the top. Now, they'll be worse off than before Reid was hired in the first place, and for a long time to come.
 
2012-11-27 11:01:27 AM

tnpir: sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars

I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.


I wouldn't be so sure about the Browns, one happy effect of that awful game this weekend is that might be just enough to convince them to keep Pat "kick the XP to go up 6" Shurmur another year.

Also as to Reid, why? You gotta pay him the rest of the year anyway. Not like bringing in a new coach now is going to inspire the team to a playoff run. So why bother? He's been a decent coach for them for a long time, might as well let him finish the season.

If they were going to try to save the season by replacing him should have done it about 4 games ago.

I agree with the others and I predict Chip Kelly will take one of the openings.
 
2012-11-27 11:04:18 AM

eKonk: tnpir: sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars

I think you can move the Browns and Jaguars to the definite list. You can probably throw the Bills in there too, and I would think the Cardinals might consider a change after seven straight losses. Mike Lombardi on the The Ticket here in Dallas this morning said his sources say that Garrett is safe (goody). And if the Raiders fire Dennis Allen after one season, then we can look forward to another 20 years of Raiders futility since the junior Davis would be just like his old man.

As a Bronco fan, I'm ok with this.

Add the J-E-S-T to the definite list as well. Rex Ryan would have gotten lynched on Thanksgiving if any Jets fans had bothered staying to the end of the game.


Good call. So we are looking at 9-11 teams making coaching changes. Wow, that almost 1/3 of the league.
 
2012-11-27 11:10:43 AM
As much as it bothers me, Reid has to play out the year. There is no reason to fire him now. I don't want to watch the Marty Mornhinweg show almost as much as I don't want to watch Reid finish the season, and no one is getting hired in the next few weeks.

I can't believe that Eagles fans are serious when they say they want Gruden to come in next year. It's like they don't know anything about football...

/ Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there
 
2012-11-27 11:14:35 AM

Banacek: Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there


I don't understand this logic. Really? He has a specialized offense that can really only succeed at the college level, and can't convince me that he could make schemes to stop NFL offenses. You make that move and your secondary remains the swiss cheese that it is. He would make a good OC IMO, especially with Vick, Shady, and DeSean.
 
2012-11-27 11:15:27 AM
When isn't it a good time to fire the Walrus? Too long in coming, by a long shot.

The only way I see Shurmur sticking in Cleveland is if he wins out, sweeping Pittsburgh for the year, and in doing so bounces the Steelers from the playoffs in the process.

THEN I could MAYBE make a case to see him stay. Otherwise, the new guy needs to clean house at start from scratch. So does Laurie.
 
2012-11-27 11:19:54 AM

Banacek: I can't believe that Eagles fans are serious when they say they want Gruden to come in next year. It's like they don't know anything about football...


Oddly enough, many Eagles fans know this would be a HORRIBLE idea. However, that doesn't stop the Philly media from mentioning his name every 3.5 seconds.
 
2012-11-27 11:29:45 AM
Don't fire Reid until the end of the year. I'm having a grand ole time betting the spread on the other team every game. Same with the Raiders. Don't cost me my free money, Jeffrey Lurie!!
 
2012-11-27 11:31:32 AM

thecpt: Banacek: Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there

I don't understand this logic. Really? He has a specialized offense that can really only succeed at the college level, and can't convince me that he could make schemes to stop NFL offenses. You make that move and your secondary remains the swiss cheese that it is. He would make a good OC IMO, especially with Vick, Shady, and DeSean.


One thing I will say about Chip Kelly is that he does seem to maximize the talent on his teams. I don't think he's had one player go in the first or second round of the NFL draft, but he always had his teams in title contention every year. He's also dumped key players (Jeremiah Masoli, Cliff Harris, LeGarrette Blount) when they screwed up, so at least he has some sort of disciplinarian in him.

Also remember that you don't necessarily have to be the everything of your team as the HC, Sean Payton had Gregg Williams completely run the defense of their Super Bowl team. If he's as brilliant an offensive mind as many say he is, he'll figure out a way to make it work at the next level.

If there were a coach that could get Vick to his full potential, it's probably Chip Kelly. They could even work in the sideline 4 picture board since Vick seems to be too much of an idiot to comprehend blitzes and adjust protection schemes.
 
2012-11-27 11:31:48 AM

thecpt: Banacek: Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there

I don't understand this logic. Really? He has a specialized offense that can really only succeed at the college level, and can't convince me that he could make schemes to stop NFL offenses. You make that move and your secondary remains the swiss cheese that it is. He would make a good OC IMO, especially with Vick, Shady, and DeSean.


Why would he keep any of them besides Shady? Whoever comes in better not renew on Vick. Assume next year is gone as well, and finally admit that the team is rebuilding.

The choices are either:

1) An offensive/defensive coordinator: I already watched Dirk Koetter coach the Sun Devils. He doesn't know what defense means. Jack Del Rio, Josh McDaniels, and Mike Nolan already failed as head coaches. Who else is there?

2) A head coach not coaching right now: A head coach who won a Super Bowl has never repeated it with another team. That said, I don't think Billick, Dungy, or Cowher comes back to coaching next year. Gruden or Holmgren? Jesus no.

3) A college coach: I think Kelly is at the best of the lot, but I'm willing to hear other suggestions.
 
2012-11-27 11:31:57 AM

TheManofPA: There are only benefits to letting Andy play it out. A) They can get a higher pick and B) It shows extreme loyalty for a long term coach which can help you net a big player for next year.


There is one big downside, and one that may end up forcing Lurie's hand: Mike Vick.

Foles, although he hasn't been horrid, hasn't exactly looked like Peyton Manning, either. Vick is close to being cleared to play; if not this week, certainly by next week. Reid probably believes that Vick gives him the best chance of winning, given the state of the o-line and everything. So, while the organization needs to know if Foles is actually worth anything, or if they need to start over (again) this offseason, Reid might be coaching to make his resume look better. That type of decision/power struggle can only cause even more problems both short- and long-term. We'll see if that happens, though; Reid may also just decide to do what's necessary for the club, and start the youth movement now.
 
2012-11-27 11:33:37 AM

xaks: When isn't it a good time to fire the Walrus? Too long in coming, by a long shot.

The only way I see Shurmur sticking in Cleveland is if he wins out, sweeping Pittsburgh for the year, and in doing so bounces the Steelers from the playoffs in the process.

THEN I could MAYBE make a case to see him stay. Otherwise, the new guy needs to clean house at start from scratch. So does Laurie.


Not even then should they keep him. The team does play tremendously hard for him, but he just isn't there and with a young team, you can't have the coaching staff trying to learn at the same time.

My guess is that the Browns will go all in on Kelly (which is a bad move for my reasoning stated above) and when the wooing doesn't work out (because it won't), Del Rio will come in or - FSM help us, they'll promote Chilly in the name of offensive continuity (even though it has been Shurmur calling the plays).

What is going to be REALLY interesting to see, and will have more to say about the direction of the franchise, is if Weeden is a no-go on Sunday and Colt gets a shot with some legitimate weapons. I'm not a McCoy fan (noodle arm at best) but this team is quite a bit stronger than what he had last year ... and going against a Raiders team that has already started thinking about the off season. Just hope Richardson can work with McCoy since Weeden seems to be Trent's guy.
 
2012-11-27 11:37:57 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: GAT_00: "Now" was 2 6 years ago.

FTFY. Reid couldn't get the job done with the best team he'll ever have. They should have brought in a new coach when it was absolutely clear that Reid would not work to improve his coaching and drafting issues. At least in 2006 they would have had a quality QB and the tattered remnants of Ray Rhodes' defensive talent to get them over the top. Now, they'll be worse off than before Reid was hired in the first place, and for a long time to come.


Maybe.
Lots of teams fired coaches for being good but not great and never recovered. San Deigo, Washington, KC have never reached the heights they did when they got rid of their coaches who "Couldn't win the big one." If the Eagles screw it up, the advantage will be I could enjoy playoff football in January and my Sundays free in the fall.

But while we won't have any SuperBowl Victories, we will always have this.
 
2012-11-27 11:39:16 AM
3) A college coach: I think Kelly is at the best of the lot, but I'm willing to hear other suggestions.

I actually think the best college coach is the only guy this year to beat Chip Kelly. I believe that any team that hires David Shaw will be very happy with their decision, so I hope he doesn't go to a team I hate, like the Raiders or Cowboys.
 
2012-11-27 11:42:30 AM

Why Would I Read the Article: 3) A college coach: I think Kelly is at the best of the lot, but I'm willing to hear other suggestions.

I actually think the best college coach is the only guy this year to beat Chip Kelly. I believe that any team that hires David Shaw will be very happy with their decision, so I hope he doesn't go to a team I hate, like the Raiders or Cowboys.


I like that idea too. I wasn't sure if he was looking to jump to the NFL yet.
 
2012-11-27 11:50:55 AM
I don't see the Eagles firing Reid before the end of the season. Why?

Who will take his place? The defensive coordinator? Umm no. The VP of communications? Umm no. They have no one to step into the role.
 
2012-11-27 11:51:43 AM
meh, i've never cared for the eagles but i've always respected Andy Reid, i wonder where they guy will land
 
2012-11-27 11:53:18 AM

Komplex: Maybe.
Lots of teams fired coaches for being good but not great and never recovered. San Deigo, Washington, KC have never reached the heights they did when they got rid of their coaches who "Couldn't win the big one." If the Eagles screw it up, the advantage will be I could enjoy playoff football in January and my Sundays free in the fall.


And how has not firing a "good" coach (I'd argue about Reid being good) worked out for the Eagles? They're probably 5+ years away from contending at this point. They managed to put a band-aid on a gaping wound but the amount of talent on the roster is incredibly overrated. So the Eagles will get the long, dark rebuilding period but none of the joy of a Super Bowl win.

What they should do now (and what they should have done half a decade ago) is to hire a defensive-minded head coach who understands the value of a running game. 6 years ago they might have won a Super Bowl with that approach. Now they need to completely overhaul the roster and the only way to keep from being a 3-win team for a few years (if that is avoidable at all at this point) is to get away from the pass-wacky approach that an offensive-minded head coach brings.
 
2012-11-27 12:01:13 PM

sammyk: Browns


I read an awesome conspiracy theory in a Sports thread a week or two ago:

1. Haslam hires Nick Saban to coach the Browns, buys out his huge Alabama contract.
2. Haslam makes sure that Saban fails at the job.
3. Haslam says "That's okay, buddy. How about I get you a job coaching the Vols?"
4. Tennessee wins the SEC and National Championship.
5. Haslam wins.
 
2012-11-27 12:01:15 PM

sammyk: The crappy part is we will probably lose Del Rio to a HC position so the DC merry go round is still going.


Oh yes, I'm quite concerned about this myself. Given Del Rio has HC experience and the Denver defense is absolutely destroying teams right now, it seems like a sad inevitability.
 
2012-11-27 12:02:02 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: 3) A college coach: I think Kelly is at the best of the lot, but I'm willing to hear other suggestions.

I actually think the best college coach is the only guy this year to beat Chip Kelly. I believe that any team that hires David Shaw will be very happy with their decision, so I hope he doesn't go to a team I hate, like the Raiders or Cowboys.


David Shaw played the wrong quarterback for most of the season, which cost his team a shot at the BCS national title game.

He's good, but some of his decision making is questionable at best.
 
2012-11-27 12:04:31 PM

thecpt: Banacek: Chip Kelly is the best prospect out there

I don't understand this logic. Really? He has a specialized offense that can really only succeed at the college level, and can't convince me that he could make schemes to stop NFL offenses. You make that move and your secondary remains the swiss cheese that it is. He would make a good OC IMO, especially with Vick, Shady, and DeSean.


Yes, and I also say: please bring him to the NFL. I miss the good ol' days of Steve Spurrier getting his ass whupped and only pulling out wins with silly trick plays.
 
2012-11-27 12:09:07 PM

Banacek: thecpt: Banacek: The choices are either:

1) An offensive/defensive coordinator: I already watched Dirk Koetter coach the Sun Devils. He doesn't know what defense means. Jack Del Rio, Josh McDaniels, and Mike Nolan already failed as head coaches. Who else is there?


I don't know, sometimes it good to give failed coaches a second shot after they've gone back to coordinating. Belicheck failed in Cleveland then went crawling back to big papa Parcells for a couple more years before taking the Pats gig, and that has since turned out pretty well. You can learn a lot in failure and if you're wide turn it to your advantage next time. I know there is a lot of Belicheat hate on fark, but what other team has been as consistently good for as long as the pats have this last dozen years? All the otehr teams that rose have also fallen.

My point, McDaniels or more likely Nolan might not be bad options.
 
2012-11-27 12:11:10 PM

eKonk: Add the J-E-S-T to the definite list as well. Rex Ryan would have gotten lynched on Thanksgiving if any Jets fans had bothered staying to the end of the game.


Tbh why would the Jets' do this? They've given him crap to work with this year. Don't like Rex at all, but AFAIC he's the least one to blame for the Jets' woes. Tannenbaum should be the one under the guillotine.
 
2012-11-27 12:12:36 PM

On the Side:
I don't know, sometimes it good to give failed coaches a second shot after they've gone back to coordinating. Belicheck failed in Cleveland then went crawling back to big papa Parcells for a couple more years before taking the Pats gig, and that has since turned out pretty well.


Belicheck didn't really fail in Cleveland. It was an old team, decimated by injuries when he took over. He cleaned house and had them relevant again within three years. The one black mark was the handling of beloved veterans like Bernie Kosar, and that is something he hasn't changed in New England (Richard Seymour, Harrison, Moss, etc).
 
2012-11-27 12:13:21 PM
If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010
 
2012-11-27 12:13:40 PM

sammyk: Going to be a lot of coaching changes this year.

My predictions
Chiefs
Panthers
Chargers
Eagles

The maybe list
Cowboys
Browns
Raiders
Jaguars


Don't forget the Jets!!!

/J-E-T-S!!!!
 
2012-11-27 12:21:38 PM

Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010


And zero Super Bowl rings and a clear trajectory downwards going forward? It's weird how your post missed that, seeing that you knew that already.
 
2012-11-27 12:23:50 PM

GAT_00: "Now" was 2 years ago.


Should have been '08, but they had a lucky playoff run that gave them the excuse to keep him longer.
 
2012-11-27 12:23:50 PM
I see the Fark troll brigade has anointed Jon Gruden as the next Eagles head coach.
 
2012-11-27 12:25:02 PM

Devo: If you had a coach that made the playoffs 9 of the last 12 years would you keep him? Plenty of teams would be very happy with that result.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010


Would you keep a coach who missed the playoffs two years in a row and hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years?
 
2012-11-27 12:26:49 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/report-andy-reid-to-re main-eagles-coach-this-week/
 
2012-11-27 12:28:39 PM

sammyk: The maybe list


I've got to wonder if Tomlin may make the list. No protection for his quarterback plus no backups except wore out over the hill guys. I understand that stability is a good thing, but you have to wonder when the front office is going to say enough is enough.
 
2012-11-27 12:31:43 PM
Holmgren is already gone. Shurmur isn't Haslam's guy. You can put Shurmur on the next-to-be-fired list.
 
2012-11-27 12:33:11 PM

Komplex: San Deigo, Washington, KC have never reached the heights they did when they got rid of their coaches who "Couldn't win the big one."


Let's see: with the Chargers, that coach was Marty Schottenheimer. With the Redskins, that coach was Marty Schottenheimer. Who did the Chiefs fire again? Oh, yeah- Marty Schottenheimer. Hmm- I have an idea for Philly, especially if they want to improve their running game.

And whatever team hires Tom Cable becomes an immediate contender. I don't know why his name is not mentioned more, that guy can flat-out coach.
 
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