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(STLToday)   Admiral Akbar would like to have a word with you in regards to running cars full of presents left unattended in parking lots   (stltoday.com) divider line 82
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2012-11-27 09:25:51 AM  
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2012-11-27 09:48:30 AM  
It's a trap?
 
2012-11-27 09:51:44 AM  
I still think the bait cars should be used for public humiliation. Like remote driving through a rough neighborhood, blasting Celine Dion.
 
2012-11-27 09:52:10 AM  
img.thesun.co.uk
 
2012-11-27 09:56:11 AM  
In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.
 
2012-11-27 09:56:41 AM  
Golly, who wrote that? Impressive gerund phrase work there subby.
 
2012-11-27 09:58:15 AM  
What about Admiral Jeff?
 
2012-11-27 09:59:53 AM  

ChipNASA: [img.thesun.co.uk image 532x375]


You got the posters reversed.
Barry was a hope trap.
 
2012-11-27 10:09:22 AM  

Dick Gozinya


It's a trap?


You got the joke! YAAAAAAY!

:-|
 
2012-11-27 10:10:44 AM  
One of the first things on FARK that drew me in was the epic Akbar PS thread. Would have been 2002 or 2003.

"It's a Map!"
 
2012-11-27 10:11:55 AM  
Really subby??? you had this to work with "Put your junk in the trunk," right in the article and you went with a Star Wars reference??

I think I hear your mom calling you from upstairs.

dork.
 
2012-11-27 10:12:03 AM  
From TFA:

Someone who takes advantage of a car idling unattended may end up trapped inside when police lock the doors and shut off the engine by remote control.


What model will not permit someone inside the car to open the door?
 
2012-11-27 10:13:50 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: From TFA:

Someone who takes advantage of a car idling unattended may end up trapped inside when police lock the doors and shut off the engine by remote control.


What model will not permit someone inside the car to open the door?


Ones with electric solenoids on the doors that lock you inside, and disable the windows when someone presses the button to make it do so.
 
2012-11-27 10:14:53 AM  
What a bait car taxi or two may look like.

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com
 
2012-11-27 10:16:23 AM  

MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.


Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.
 
2012-11-27 10:17:13 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: From TFA:

Someone who takes advantage of a car idling unattended may end up trapped inside when police lock the doors and shut off the engine by remote control.


What model will not permit someone inside the car to open the door?


You understand that cars can be modified, right?
 
2012-11-27 10:18:24 AM  
How many Bothans died to bring us this information?
 
2012-11-27 10:18:33 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Englebert Slaptyback: From TFA:

Someone who takes advantage of a car idling unattended may end up trapped inside when police lock the doors and shut off the engine by remote control.


What model will not permit someone inside the car to open the door?

You understand that cars can be modified, right?


Yeah, but Xzibit never gave anyone a car that locked people in.
 
2012-11-27 10:21:53 AM  
It's a tarp, prat, part, tpar, artp.. TRAP.
 
2012-11-27 10:22:09 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: From TFA:

Someone who takes advantage of a car idling unattended may end up trapped inside when police lock the doors and shut off the engine by remote control.


What model will not permit someone inside the car to open the door?


The one that is outfitted as a bait car by the Police.
 
Biv
2012-11-27 10:23:04 AM  
Keys? Heh. Permission? Heh. A car thief needs not these things.
 
2012-11-27 10:23:40 AM  

Shadow Blasko


Ones with electric solenoids on the doors that lock you inside, and disable the windows when someone presses the button to make it do so.


And what model vehicle sold in the US would have that feature?

PS 'Electric solenoid' is redundant. Solenoids are electric by definition.


MycroftHolmes


You understand that cars can be modified, right?


Obviously. Do you think the police force went to the trouble/expense to do that on all of the bait cars?
 
Biv
2012-11-27 10:24:51 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback:


Obviously. Do you think the police force went to the trouble/expense to do that on all of the bait cars?


Yes.
 
2012-11-27 10:26:07 AM  

Dirtybird971: Really subby??? you had this to work with "Put your junk in the trunk," right in the article and you went with a Star Wars reference??

I think I hear your mom calling you from upstairs.

dork.

 

farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2012-11-27 10:27:55 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.


Never lived in the country, huh?
 
2012-11-27 10:27:56 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Shadow Blasko

Ones with electric solenoids on the doors that lock you inside, and disable the windows when someone presses the button to make it do so.


And what model vehicle sold in the US would have that feature?

PS 'Electric solenoid' is redundant. Solenoids are electric by definition.


MycroftHolmes

You understand that cars can be modified, right?


Obviously. Do you think the police force went to the trouble/expense to do that on all of the bait cars?


Sure looks that way. Kind of implied in the article when it says that the cops can lock people in the back of the car. Not sure exactly what you are arguing. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard, since cop cars have the ability to prevent someone on the inside from unlocking cars.
 
2012-11-27 10:29:11 AM  
And this is why I always roll down the window BEFORE I close the door, when I steal a car.
 
Biv
2012-11-27 10:29:32 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.


So are you saying that the more cops tighten their grasp the more criminals will slip through their fingers?
 
2012-11-27 10:32:13 AM  

Dirtybird971: Really subby??? you had this to work with "Put your junk in the trunk," right in the article and you went with a Star Wars reference??

I think I hear your mom calling you from upstairs.

dork.


You sound like a half-witted, scruffy looking Nerf herder!
 
Biv
2012-11-27 10:33:38 AM  

Wile_E._Quixote: Dirtybird971: Really subby??? you had this to work with "Put your junk in the trunk," right in the article and you went with a Star Wars reference??

I think I hear your mom calling you from upstairs.

dork.

You sound like a half-witted, scruffy looking Nerf herder!


Who you callin' scruffy lookin'?
 
2012-11-27 10:34:34 AM  

Archie Goodwin: DROxINxTHExWIND: Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.

Never lived in the country, huh?


I don't want to assume that I understand your question, so I'll ask you to clarify.
 
2012-11-27 10:37:02 AM  

MycroftHolmes


Sure looks that way. Kind of implied in the article when it says that the cops can lock people in the back of the car. Not sure exactly what you are arguing. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard, since cop cars have the ability to prevent someone on the inside from unlocking cars.


I can lock my car doors from outside; this doesn't mean anyone inside would be trapped. IIRC cop cars are built by the factory so the back doors on either side can keep people in but the front doors are normal.

TFA went into some detail about how the bait credit cards and "rigged laptop computers, camcorders and other electronics" were configured but didn't mention anything about the cars. If the cars had been modified it seems they would have mentioned it.

I'm not really arguing, but it just looks like they took some cars from the impound lot and put bait in them. If they're close enough to use the remotes to lock the doors, they're probably relying on the individual to panic and not be able to unlock the door quickly,
 
2012-11-27 10:40:05 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.


Officers pretty heavily patrol mall parking lots during the holiday season anyways, so there really wouldn't need to be an increase in staffing for this program . The idling car is only one component of the program. The other things, like the credit cards, are more passive.

Regarding this program only being in urban areas, this is a curious argument, as only urban areas have 1. Target rich environments like malls to attract this particular type of criminal, 2. enough population density and crime density to make this type of program productive, and 3. police. Trying to make this a racist thing is absurdly absurd.
 
2012-11-27 10:40:30 AM  

Biv: DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.

So are you saying that the more cops tighten their grasp the more criminals will slip through their fingers?


Tighten their grasp? Is that what you believe this is? In my opinion, to tighten their grasp on a criminal activity, they need to focus on one that actually is a problem. People who leave their cars running with the keys in them should not be a group that we focus large amounts of resources to protect. As the seargent so eloquently stated in Full Metal Jacket:

"If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?"
 
2012-11-27 10:42:19 AM  
Bait cars are, indeed, purpose modified for that purpose - they have remote controls that lock the doors so they cannot be modified from the inside, then stop the engine and have them coast to a halt.

http://www.baitcar.com/ - videos from inside real bait cars being used to catch very dumb thieves.
 
2012-11-27 10:42:48 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: MycroftHolmes

Sure looks that way. Kind of implied in the article when it says that the cops can lock people in the back of the car. Not sure exactly what you are arguing. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard, since cop cars have the ability to prevent someone on the inside from unlocking cars.


I can lock my car doors from outside; this doesn't mean anyone inside would be trapped. IIRC cop cars are built by the factory so the back doors on either side can keep people in but the front doors are normal.

TFA went into some detail about how the bait credit cards and "rigged laptop computers, camcorders and other electronics" were configured but didn't mention anything about the cars. If the cars had been modified it seems they would have mentioned it.

I'm not really arguing, but it just looks like they took some cars from the impound lot and put bait in them. If they're close enough to use the remotes to lock the doors, they're probably relying on the individual to panic and not be able to unlock the door quickly,



Sir, even some mini-vans have child locks that can only be opened from the outside. It isn't a big deal.
 
2012-11-27 10:42:50 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Biv: DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.

So are you saying that the more cops tighten their grasp the more criminals will slip through their fingers?

Tighten their grasp? Is that what you believe this is? In my opinion, to tighten their grasp on a criminal activity, they need to focus on one that actually is a problem. People who leave their cars running with the keys in them should not be a group that we focus large amounts of resources to protect. As the seargent so eloquently stated in Full Metal Jacket:

"If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?"


You do understand what is really being done here, right. They are publicly announcing this program as a deterrent to keep people from committing these crimes. If they actually wanted to catch people, they would never, never, never publicize this program. It is doubtful if they actually did any of the things they did.
 
2012-11-27 10:43:19 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.


It's cold out our shootings slow down.

Also our gas is only 3.09 for reg
 
2012-11-27 10:46:11 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Archie Goodwin: DROxINxTHExWIND: Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.

Never lived in the country, huh?

I don't want to assume that I understand your question, so I'll ask you to clarify.


I've lived in a country town for a few years, a while back [not in the USA mind you] and people would regularly leave cars unlocked. Hell, some even left their keys in the ignition, and no one ever had a problem with it.
 
2012-11-27 10:47:56 AM  

MycroftHolmes: DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.

Officers pretty heavily patrol mall parking lots during the holiday season anyways, so there really wouldn't need to be an increase in staffing for this program . The idling car is only one component of the program. The other things, like the credit cards, are more passive.

Regarding this program only being in urban areas, this is a curious argument, as only urban areas have 1. Target rich environments like malls to attract this particular type of criminal, 2. enough population density and crime density to make this type of program productive, and 3. police. Trying to make this a racist thing is absurdly absurd.



First, your assumption that they only put bait cars in malls is incorrect. Even rural and suburban areas have places where the population congregates. They could put one outside of the local VFW at happy hour. They could put one in the movie theater parking lot in a suburban mall. They could leave a car running outside of the local high school football staduim after a game. But, I've never seen it done. What I do see is the cars being placed in neighborhoods populated by minorities. You can assign whatever reason for it that you want too. You've acknowledged that it happens. You're just willing to believe that their intentions are good. I don't.
 
Biv
2012-11-27 10:48:52 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Biv: DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.

So are you saying that the more cops tighten their grasp the more criminals will slip through their fingers?

Tighten their grasp? Is that what you believe this is? In my opinion, to tighten their grasp on a criminal activity, they need to focus on one that actually is a problem. People who leave their cars running with the keys in them should not be a group that we focus large amounts of resources to protect. As the seargent so eloquently stated in Full Metal Jacket:

"If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?"


Calm down Francis, I was just looking to shoehorn a Star Wars reference.

I find your lack of humor disturbing.
 
2012-11-27 10:50:26 AM  
If people are really dumb enough to leave their cars running , or leave their stuff in their cars where people can see it, they deserve to have their stuff stolen. every year its the same shiat, and every year a subsection of the population says " It wont happen to me".... and then blame the bad guys. Welcome to St. Louis morans.
 
2012-11-27 10:51:16 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.


Creating crime is profitable and fun for enablers.
 
2012-11-27 10:54:29 AM  

Biv: DROxINxTHExWIND: Biv: DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.

So are you saying that the more cops tighten their grasp the more criminals will slip through their fingers?

Tighten their grasp? Is that what you believe this is? In my opinion, to tighten their grasp on a criminal activity, they need to focus on one that actually is a problem. People who leave their cars running with the keys in them should not be a group that we focus large amounts of resources to protect. As the seargent so eloquently stated in Full Metal Jacket:

"If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?"

Calm down Francis, I was just looking to shoehorn a Star Wars reference.

I find your lack of humor disturbing.


I thought the Full Metal Jacket comment was pretty funny. No beef over here.
 
2012-11-27 10:55:47 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.


People who commit a crime criminalize themselves. Doing nothing wrong is exactly what the police want people to do.

As for being a waste of time, I'd say it's a lot less effort to arrest and convict thieves who are caught on camera attempting steal a bait car than to investigate the theft of some random vehicle or have someone at large committing a string of such thefts.
 
2012-11-27 10:56:36 AM  

EdNortonsTwin: DROxINxTHExWIND: MycroftHolmes: In before all the people who do not understand what entrapment is claiming that this is entrapment.

Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.

Creating crime is profitable and fun for enablers.


I'll accept that explanation. Sounds about right.
 
2012-11-27 10:56:58 AM  
People who leave their cars running, unattended, deserve to have them stolen. Now, I'm not gonna be the one to do it, but I won't really feel bad when it happens.

\I do get the urge to move unattended, running cars several spaces to the left, though...
 
2012-11-27 10:59:05 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Shadow Blasko

Ones with electric solenoids on the doors that lock you inside, and disable the windows when someone presses the button to make it do so.


And what model vehicle sold in the US would have that feature?

PS 'Electric solenoid' is redundant. Solenoids are electric by definition.


Except for the hydraulic and pneumatic ones.
images.quickblogcast.com
 
2012-11-27 10:59:08 AM  
*Ackbar

Aw, Hell. I fell for the trap.
 
2012-11-27 11:01:27 AM  

drxym: DROxINxTHExWIND: Entrapment or not, it is a horrible use of police resources. Criminalizing people who may have done nothing wrong, otherwise. Having officers sit around on the clock waiting in their running cars, looking at another car which is idling $4.00/gal gas, waiting for some oportunist to make a move. My favorite part is how they only stick these cars in urban areas. Because we know only "those" people would take a running car.

People who commit a crime criminalize themselves. Doing nothing wrong is exactly what the police want people to do.

As for being a waste of time, I'd say it's a lot less effort to arrest and convict thieves who are caught on camera attempting steal a bait car than to investigate the theft of some random vehicle or have someone at large committing a string of such thefts.



Investigating real crimes is hard so make one up and arrest people for it? I don't agree with that at all.
 
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