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2012-11-27 08:52:19 AM
I bought an HP with Windows 8 at a black Friday sale. I actually like it so far. sorry to burst your bubble subby.
 
2012-11-27 08:52:24 AM
cybercriminals will use bypass methods to avoid traditional sandbox detection

I've seen that in movies. When a window pops up asking for a password, you just type "bypass" or "override" to get around it.
 
2012-11-27 08:54:35 AM

JusticeandIndependence: I bought an HP with Windows 8 at a black Friday sale. I actually like it so far. sorry to burst your bubble subby.


I bought an ASUS with Windows 8. Its different, but might prove pretty interesting.

My last two laptops have been HPs. Hope you got yourself an extended warranty, because I have had nothing but hardware failures and overheating with both of the HPs I had.
 
2012-11-27 08:55:32 AM

Bob Down: cybercriminals will use bypass methods to avoid traditional sandbox detection

I've seen that in movies. When a window pops up asking for a password, you just type "bypass" or "override" to get around it.


I love when government sites have a "Crack" button that allows me access to sensitive data I need to shut down the security of a Federal Reserve Bank.
 
2012-11-27 08:56:08 AM
Umm... subby is on crack... i have owned a computer store for 24 years now... so far my customers are loving 8... i wanted to hate it but i can't.. only hate the default interface which is easy to never use.. my normal machine we build boots in 7 seconds and win8 is VERY fast..

Another indicator on how people feel about it is that i have not had 1 single machine come in to have 8 removed and 7 put on.. (which makes me sad cause i was expecting that alot).. when 7 came out i still had people wanting xp put back on new machines..
 
2012-11-27 09:00:54 AM
I have no plans on upgrading my computer as I'm happy with seven, but if I bought a laptop with eight on it, I wouldn't complain or downgrade.
 
2012-11-27 09:01:26 AM
I used Windows 8 for the first time yesterday.

It's....interesting. I like the concept of having everything you need quickly on one desktop, and then having another.
 
2012-11-27 09:09:45 AM

mainstreet62: I used Windows 8 for the first time yesterday.

It's....interesting. I like the concept of having everything you need quickly on one desktop, and then having another.


I feel that it really would work best for something like the Microsoft Surface, where the different styles of use are built for how your using your device. Desktop when your using a laptop or surface tablet with the addon keyboard or desktop and the Metro style when you have it in tablet mode. However, I haven't yet found a tweak to bring back the start bar in desktop mode, but I'm having no problems switching between Metro and Desktop when I need to.

The most confusing part thus far has been closing applications opened in Metro mode and remembering that I need to check what is up on my left sidebar and if I need to close it. I'm too used to seeing all my programs at the bottom so I know at a glance what I have open.
 
2012-11-27 09:12:05 AM
I find it terribly annoying that I can't close out the apps when I open them, and have to do the whole "move mouse to corner and wait, then click on start page thing" every single time. Then again, I usually just immediately go to my desktop anyway, so I guess it's not that bad.
 
2012-11-27 09:14:12 AM

Celerian: The most confusing part thus far has been closing applications opened in Metro mode and remembering that I need to check what is up on my left sidebar and if I need to close it. I'm too used to seeing all my programs at the bottom so I know at a glance what I have open.


Yes, I couldn't figure out how to close programs in metro mode, either. I told my mom to figure it out, it was her computer! I also told her I would find out if she couldn't do it.

Meanwhile, my father is on the other side of the table, smirking from over the screen of his Apple laptop.
 
2012-11-27 09:15:23 AM
I upgraded my Windows 7 PC to Windows 8. While I'm not totally blown away, so far it seems pretty decent (as long as you approach it like an adult and stop whining about how "it's different than what I'm used to, whaa-whaa!"). I don't think it's *quite* there yet (I suspect Service Pack 2 will be a defining moment), but I think it's got a lot of potential.

Subby, there's a risk that you take when you try to be "cool and edgy" by slamming something you think everyone will hate. It makes you look like a collosal ignoramus.
 
2012-11-27 09:22:22 AM

WhippingBoy: Subby, there's a risk that you take when you try to be "cool and edgy" by slamming something you think everyone will hate. It makes you look like a collosal ignoramus.


I, for one, enjoyed the headline. Good day to you sir.
 
2012-11-27 09:23:31 AM
I have a win7 phone, which I love. I played around with the RT surface at the mall the other week. Those things are really nice, and I'm not much of a tablet person.

When the Win8 Intel Surface comes out later this year, I'll be all over that like shiat on a monkey. :D

/RT not having 3rd party apps is stupid
//will probably upgrade next year to win8 phone too
///Microsoft can do mobile OSes again. who knew?
 
2012-11-27 09:24:03 AM

Celerian: I bought an ASUS with Windows 8. Its different, but might prove pretty interesting.


I love ASUS (laptops), my last 2 have been ASUS and no problems. They give you more bang for your buck at lower prices than competitors with similar hardware.

/the one before that I had a Toshiba and it turns out that the specific model I bought ended up having problems down the road
//2 ports stayed open on the motherboard and it was unable to ever turn on again.

Icetech3: when 7 came out i still had people wanting xp put back on new machines


Not sure about 8 since I have yet to use it but I know the low end computers that came with 7 weren't able to perform that great
 
2012-11-27 09:29:20 AM

mainstreet62: Celerian: The most confusing part thus far has been closing applications opened in Metro mode and remembering that I need to check what is up on my left sidebar and if I need to close it. I'm too used to seeing all my programs at the bottom so I know at a glance what I have open.

Yes, I couldn't figure out how to close programs in metro mode, either. I told my mom to figure it out, it was her computer! I also told her I would find out if she couldn't do it.

Meanwhile, my father is on the other side of the table, smirking from over the screen of his Apple laptop.


I've only had it for a few days. I actually like the tile system and wish more things had tile apps that use the live update stuff. Having news, weather, email alerts, music, maps, photos all there in a fairly customizable layout is pretty cool and makes every user's experience unique and personal. How a computer should be. I would love to see even more customization, as I've always been disappointed by the stock windows colors and themes. We're in an age where the user should be able to set them however they want, without having a selection of 12 palette swaps defined by your art department. I should be able to choose different tile sizes aside from 1X1 or 1X2. I also wish all applications had some sort of tile implementation. Also, Windows has WAY to many email options. You have Microsoft Outlook (no tiles yet), Mail App (has options for Exchange, IMAP, and POP, but won't connect to POP and can never seem to connect to my IMAP server) which can also be tethered to Web-Based Outlook (which I can connect to my server, and then to the mail app, so I can have the live alerts). But as it is Mail App is so ugly compared to Microsoft Outlook, that I would much rather have the capabilities there instead of the built in tablet app. But I'm a laptop/desktop user so I'm guessing that many of the Apps will not be for me.
 
2012-11-27 09:33:07 AM
good. let them dismantle that patched up mess.
 
2012-11-27 09:35:14 AM

Tenatra: Celerian: I bought an ASUS with Windows 8. Its different, but might prove pretty interesting.

I love ASUS (laptops), my last 2 have been ASUS and no problems. They give you more bang for your buck at lower prices than competitors with similar hardware.

/the one before that I had a Toshiba and it turns out that the specific model I bought ended up having problems down the road
//2 ports stayed open on the motherboard and it was unable to ever turn on again.


I bought my wife one last year for Christmas, because she had been using my old Dell desktop (a Gen 2 XPS, still runs). It has been perfect aside from some dead pixels on her screen. I struggled for another year with my slowly dying HP laptop that is now 4 years old, and it finally crapped out with blue screens and overheating over thanksgiving. So I did some research and picked out an ASUS (Best Buy had a dismal selection in stock that wasn't well over my budget, a shiatty Ultra-Low Power processor, and HP or had dismal ratings). I was going to get the exact same model as my wife's but they no longer carry them in store so I would have to wait a week to pick it up. So I got the Q500A and it is SO much better than my old HP. Its not the $1000 desktop I wanted to build, but I couldn't really afford that, and with two young kids, I guess I'm not in the best position to be squirreled away in a room with my computer all the time.
 
2012-11-27 09:38:43 AM

Icetech3: Umm... subby is on crack... i have owned a computer store for 24 years now... so far my customers are loving 8


I've really heard nothing but good things about it from people I know that have it. These are tech-savvy people too, not my mom. Unfortunately, my wife is not all that tech-savvy so I kind of have mixed feelings about getting a new W8 pc. I want too, but I don't want to listen to the biatching either.
 
2012-11-27 09:49:42 AM

Celerian: JusticeandIndependence: I bought an HP with Windows 8 at a black Friday sale. I actually like it so far. sorry to burst your bubble subby.

I bought an ASUS with Windows 8. Its different, but might prove pretty interesting.

My last two laptops have been HPs. Hope you got yourself an extended warranty, because I have had nothing but hardware failures and overheating with both of the HPs I had.


So much THIS! I got an HP laptop 3 years ago and I'll never get one again. Overheated so much that even a strong laptop cooler couldn't keep it from being laggy on games at bare minimum graphics settings. At the 2 year mark the hardware started failing. First the battery, then the monitor started changing colors (loose connection somewhere in the monitor itself, not the connection to the motherboard). And now, it's almost too hot to touch after running office programs all day.

Compare that to my wife's ASUS, which is one year older and still running like a champ. Nothing wrong with it other than the obsolescence.
 
2012-11-27 09:50:24 AM

abhorrent1: Icetech3: Umm... subby is on crack... i have owned a computer store for 24 years now... so far my customers are loving 8

I've really heard nothing but good things about it from people I know that have it. These are tech-savvy people too, not my mom. Unfortunately, my wife is not all that tech-savvy so I kind of have mixed feelings about getting a new W8 pc. I want too, but I don't want to listen to the biatching either.


I'm a software engineer by trade. Windows 8 does have a steep learning curve because they don't ease you into a completely new interface. They drop you into it and their intro video basically show you that if you put your mouse into either the left or right top corner, it will open a menu. They don't tell you about the shortcuts, Win+C to open the "Charms" bar on the right for instance, or how to find a lot of the settings. You'll have to do some exploring. Much like the transition from XP to Vista, is you give it a week or two, you'll find it isn't so bad. I'm only 3 days in and enjoying myself, though I still don't have everything fully customized and I am completely overwhelmed by the number of Apps available. You just have to train yourself to think differently. I will say that I am glad we're not changing to Windows 8 at work, because trying to teach people a completely new interface would be a total pain in the ass. Besides, most of our software vendors are barely willing to say if their software will work on Windows 7 machines.
 
2012-11-27 09:50:25 AM

Linux_Yes: good. let them dismantle that patched up mess.


Hey look! It's that guy that comes into every Windows thread and vainly attempts to convince everyone that they suck compared to him! Hi there!
 
2012-11-27 09:56:40 AM

abhorrent1: Unfortunately, my wife is not all that tech-savvy so I kind of have mixed feelings about getting a new W8 pc. I want too, but I don't want to listen to the biatching either.


My wife complains about everything (seriously, we need to put together a small "Earthquake kit" for the kid's school which required us to buy a few small items that we didn't already have; she went on and on about how this was going to ruin her entire week. I stopped off the store and had it done in under 10 minutes). But I digress... in any case, I recently upgraded to Windows 8 on our family PC. Sure enough, literally two seconds after trying it, it was the "stupidest thing ever". The surprising thing is that her biatching ceased after using it for about 15 minutes (which is a record). I haven't heard her complain about it since.
 
2012-11-27 10:03:25 AM

Celerian: I will say that I am glad we're not changing to Windows 8 at work, because trying to teach people a completely new interface would be a total pain in the ass. Besides, most of our software vendors are barely willing to say if their software will work on Windows 7 machines.


I'm still running XP Pro at work. A lot of people are. They only upgrade to 7 as people need new laptops so it'll probably be years until everyone is even on 7. Couldn't imagine the chaos of suddenly forcing 20K+ people onto windows 8.
 
2012-11-27 10:05:03 AM

WhippingBoy: abhorrent1: Unfortunately, my wife is not all that tech-savvy so I kind of have mixed feelings about getting a new W8 pc. I want too, but I don't want to listen to the biatching either.

My wife complains about everything (seriously, we need to put together a small "Earthquake kit" for the kid's school which required us to buy a few small items that we didn't already have; she went on and on about how this was going to ruin her entire week. I stopped off the store and had it done in under 10 minutes). But I digress... in any case, I recently upgraded to Windows 8 on our family PC. Sure enough, literally two seconds after trying it, it was the "stupidest thing ever". The surprising thing is that her biatching ceased after using it for about 15 minutes (which is a record). I haven't heard her complain about it since.


Thus far I've tried the bundled music application from Microsoft. It isn't bad, but it lacks some things that Pandora has. I was hoping there was a Pandora app, but it appears that there are only two 3rd party ones. I like the ability to be able to create a station, add songs, artists, albums and have that information shape what gets played on that station. Are there any apps I should try that might get me pretty close? if not, I think the Microsoft one will work for me, but I'd figure I'd ask around and test out some of the apps.

Oh, another thing I don't care for is that some of the Windows 8 apps, that are free, have paid advertisements. The Music app has commercials. The News and Game apps have a paid advertisement thrown in. Some games will even play a unskippable advertisement video before you can play. I understand that this is just how they keep streaming content free and shiat, but it does make me long for the days where if I play a game of solitaire or minesweeper, I don't have to watch a commercial about farking Audi's or tampons before hand.
 
2012-11-27 10:09:06 AM

abhorrent1: Celerian: I will say that I am glad we're not changing to Windows 8 at work, because trying to teach people a completely new interface would be a total pain in the ass. Besides, most of our software vendors are barely willing to say if their software will work on Windows 7 machines.

I'm still running XP Pro at work. A lot of people are. They only upgrade to 7 as people need new laptops so it'll probably be years until everyone is even on 7. Couldn't imagine the chaos of suddenly forcing 20K+ people onto windows 8.


We have a upgrade plan and budget ready to go. We're kinda stunted by some softwares, but slowly upgrading those to a point where we can get the offices all running Windows 7. And then slowly we'll be introducing Windows 7 machines to floor workers and test equipment. But before the end of the year, it should just be server hardware upgrades. I am a special case. My computer, which I have used for 5 years, and was used for a few years by the guy before me, decided to stop working. So instead of wiping the drive, reinstalling WinXP and starting all over again, the Sys Admin got me a Win 7 machine and I started from scratch.
 
2012-11-27 10:29:04 AM
Where I see metro really shining? Gaming. Really.

Imagine, for all you WoW players:

Guild posts, new mail messages, "new patch out" message and such on the live tile. Then launching the game, and having vent open in the right side, game occupying the rest of the screen. No more alt-tab or having to have a second monitor for that sort of thing. Hell, Wowhead could make an app, for quick reference, also up in the right pane.

Microsoft just needs to have a way to deploy metro apps without using the windows store.
 
2012-11-27 10:30:41 AM

randroid: Where I see metro really shining? Gaming. Really.

Imagine, for all you WoW players:

Guild posts, new mail messages, "new patch out" message and such on the live tile. Then launching the game, and having vent open in the right side, game occupying the rest of the screen. No more alt-tab or having to have a second monitor for that sort of thing. Hell, Wowhead could make an app, for quick reference, also up in the right pane.

Microsoft just needs to have a way to deploy metro apps without using the windows store.


Are you a developer? I've given some thought at trying my hand at making a metro app.
 
2012-11-27 10:32:48 AM

Celerian: randroid: Where I see metro really shining? Gaming. Really.

Imagine, for all you WoW players:

Guild posts, new mail messages, "new patch out" message and such on the live tile. Then launching the game, and having vent open in the right side, game occupying the rest of the screen. No more alt-tab or having to have a second monitor for that sort of thing. Hell, Wowhead could make an app, for quick reference, also up in the right pane.

Microsoft just needs to have a way to deploy metro apps without using the windows store.

Are you a developer? I've given some thought at trying my hand at making a metro app.


I wish. Just a lowly integrator for now...

The only way to deploy a metro app outside of the app store permanently is if you're on a domain. Seems like the kind of thing they could easily patch out. If they'll actually do it remains to be seen.
 
2012-11-27 10:35:28 AM

randroid: The only way to deploy a metro app outside of the app store permanently is if you're on a domain. Seems like the kind of thing they could easily patch out. If they'll actually do it remains to be seen.


God I hope not, that would be a security nightmare.
 
2012-11-27 10:38:34 AM

Handsome B. Wonderful: randroid: The only way to deploy a metro app outside of the app store permanently is if you're on a domain. Seems like the kind of thing they could easily patch out. If they'll actually do it remains to be seen.

God I hope not, that would be a security nightmare.


Maybe. No worse than windows already is. This is the only way Microsoft can succeed in their apparent goal to deprecate the desktop in my opinion.
 
2012-11-27 10:49:12 AM

Celerian: Thus far I've tried the bundled music application from Microsoft. It isn't bad, but it lacks some things that Pandora has. I was hoping there was a Pandora app, but it appears that there are only two 3rd party ones. I like the ability to be able to create a station, add songs, artists, albums and have that information shape what gets played on that station. Are there any apps I should try that might get me pretty close? if not, I think the Microsoft one will work for me, but I'd figure I'd ask around and test out some of the apps.


You might be interested in Rara ($0.99 / month for the first 3 months then $4.99 / month).

You'll probably see Pandora, Spotify and Last FM make their ways towards an app eventually (if they don't already have one)
I don't think Grooveshark is going to try it, they have already had so much trouble with the Google store.
 
2012-11-27 10:52:22 AM
3rded On the HP comments as my mom had to go buy an Asus within a year due to it being a flaming Pile Of shiat. Ram went bad in my HP too. I now use a Sony.

Mom loves the Asus except her touchpad worked when she went to 8, and the Asus drivers aren't fixing it. She hardly uses it though.
 
2012-11-27 10:58:06 AM

Tenatra: Celerian: Thus far I've tried the bundled music application from Microsoft. It isn't bad, but it lacks some things that Pandora has. I was hoping there was a Pandora app, but it appears that there are only two 3rd party ones. I like the ability to be able to create a station, add songs, artists, albums and have that information shape what gets played on that station. Are there any apps I should try that might get me pretty close? if not, I think the Microsoft one will work for me, but I'd figure I'd ask around and test out some of the apps.

You might be interested in Rara ($0.99 / month for the first 3 months then $4.99 / month).

You'll probably see Pandora, Spotify and Last FM make their ways towards an app eventually (if they don't already have one)
I don't think Grooveshark is going to try it, they have already had so much trouble with the Google store.


I would expect that those three would have an app already, but I keep reminding myself that Win8 just dropped to the public about a month ago. A free pandora app wouldn't be anything different than going to the site and using it. I saw some third party apps that apparently access the Pandora site, but I'm kinda iffy on apps made by Joe Nobody.

I actually wonder how this will play out. Microsoft tried their hand at widgets for Vista and 7 and it did not last long. For a brief moment, you were able to browse their widgets and download the ones they had available, and if you look hard enough, you can find sites that have more that weren't put up on the Microsoft site, but Microsoft has since taken it down because they didn't want to do that anymore, so Widgets are pretty damn worthless. Since App stores are taking off pretty well, I think it might stick this time around.
 
2012-11-27 10:59:40 AM

BohemianGraham: 3rded On the HP comments as my mom had to go buy an Asus within a year due to it being a flaming Pile Of shiat.


AFAIK, Asus is famous for their mobo failures. I have an Asus with a bad mobo sitting in my basement right now, so I'm getting a kick....
 
2012-11-27 11:03:08 AM
What are the freakin odds that all three windows 8 users are also active farkers? Man you guys should play the lotto or something. Unreal.

/skipping 8, meh, 7 does what I want and I don't have to deal with the UI that shall not be named.
 
2012-11-27 11:04:41 AM
Appropriate time for this thread. I'm sitting here downloading Win 7 Ultimate w/SP1 and Win 8 Enterprise from TechNet and wondering which to install on a 32-bit desktop with dual monitors.

How hard is it to make 8 look and act like 7 from the UI point of view?
 
2012-11-27 11:07:28 AM

dofus: Appropriate time for this thread. I'm sitting here downloading Win 7 Ultimate w/SP1 and Win 8 Enterprise from TechNet and wondering which to install on a 32-bit desktop with dual monitors.

How hard is it to make 8 look and act like 7 from the UI point of view?


Click on the thing that says "Desktop". Done.
 
2012-11-27 11:13:02 AM

dofus: Appropriate time for this thread. I'm sitting here downloading Win 7 Ultimate w/SP1 and Win 8 Enterprise from TechNet and wondering which to install on a 32-bit desktop with dual monitors.

How hard is it to make 8 look and act like 7 from the UI point of view?


Win8 completely removes aeroglass, though there are some sites that had a way to trick it into looking similar with the RTM. I do not know if it has been completely removed for Retail.

Seeing as I've only been using it for 3 days, I also have not found an ability to get the startbar back on the desktop. You can still get to the desktop easily, load programs there (for instance, starting IE10 from Metro UI will make it act like its been opened on a tablet, but opening it on the desktop will make it act like IE9 did).

Starting out, most icons are not on the desktop, but you can add them through one of the settings menus so you can still get to control panel, file browser, ect very easily from the desktop. You can still map drives or create toolbar folders on the menu strip, so I guess you could create yourself a start bar if its really that important. In the Metro UI, right clicking will bring up a menu on the bottom that has an option to show All Apps, which then is basically like a full screen start menu in a horizontal scrolling layout, as opposed to the vertical menus and submenus.
 
2012-11-27 11:20:36 AM
I'm having a hard time imagining myself getting "apps" for my computer. Is this somehow different than a normal computer program? Or is it a new name for the same thing?
 
2012-11-27 11:22:46 AM

jack21221: I'm having a hard time imagining myself getting "apps" for my computer. Is this somehow different than a normal computer program? Or is it a new name for the same thing?


Basically new name for the same thing.

The entire concept is to make a Operating System that would make it easy to sync Desktop/Laptop/Tablet/Phone together, so you have a Microsoft account that if you download a News App on your desktop, when you pick up your phone, that App is there too, ready to go with your settings. Normally the Apps are small, quick, and do one task. They install easily from the store. Many are free, some are a small cost. But you can still install programs normally, as well.
 
2012-11-27 11:26:14 AM
People who can't adjust to the new interface are the same people who whine about website redesigns.

It's not going to change. You can either learn how to be effective with the tool you're given or you can biatch. One will get you moving forward.

Also, if you have Windows 8, get Wordament. It's in the Windows Store. Prepare to get nothing done.

/it's also available for WinRT and Windows Phone 7/8.
 
2012-11-27 11:29:18 AM
I like 8. I actually like it alot. I'm testing it currently at work and honestly it's been smooth so far. It's a far more snappy OS than 7, which says alot. I really don't use Metro much and that's ok by me.

If you really want to have a "Start" button, there are several free programs that will emulate the Windows 7 start button and layout so you can go back to what you are used to using. I prefer to use the charms and search feature as it shows everything I need. Also, I pin many apps that I use frequently to the task bar so I can easily launch them. I did that in 7, and do it a little bit more now.

I tried an aftermarket start button, but it was laggy compared to using the charms.
 
2012-11-27 11:29:31 AM

Marine1: Also, if you have Windows 8, get Wordament. It's in the Windows Store. Prepare to get nothing done.


My wife and I played this for a few hours last night. Holy God, Boggle was never this much fun.

Though I have a feeling that the top players are bots. It would be nearly impossible to be that consistently good.
 
2012-11-27 11:31:33 AM

Celerian: Marine1: Also, if you have Windows 8, get Wordament. It's in the Windows Store. Prepare to get nothing done.

My wife and I played this for a few hours last night. Holy God, Boggle was never this much fun.

Though I have a feeling that the top players are bots. It would be nearly impossible to be that consistently good.


I thought that too.

They're not.

/They may very well be eternal virgins, though.
 
2012-11-27 11:32:41 AM

Marine1: Celerian: Marine1: Also, if you have Windows 8, get Wordament. It's in the Windows Store. Prepare to get nothing done.

My wife and I played this for a few hours last night. Holy God, Boggle was never this much fun.

Though I have a feeling that the top players are bots. It would be nearly impossible to be that consistently good.

I thought that too.

They're not.

/They may very well be eternal virgins, though.


I've only played twice now, and there are like 7 of them that are always on, trading tops. My best is like 68%.
 
2012-11-27 11:33:03 AM
I use Windows Mojave myself. It's FANTASTIC!
 
2012-11-27 11:38:57 AM

bossjock77: I use Windows Mojave myself. It's FANTASTIC!


How do you feel about Windows Vista?
 
2012-11-27 11:53:12 AM
I was born a Microsoft BOB user, and I'll die a Microsoft BOB user.
 
2012-11-27 11:54:16 AM
I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.
 
2012-11-27 11:56:00 AM

corronchilejano: I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.


I have had no problems. It may be your graphics drivers. I am using an 3rd Gen i5 processor (so Intel HD 4000 graphics on chip), Win 8 and Dx11.
 
2012-11-27 12:35:45 PM

Icetech3: Umm... subby is on crack... i have owned a computer store for 24 years now... so far my customers are loving 8... i wanted to hate it but i can't.. only hate the default interface which is easy to never use.. my normal machine we build boots in 7 seconds and win8 is VERY fast..

Another indicator on how people feel about it is that i have not had 1 single machine come in to have 8 removed and 7 put on.. (which makes me sad cause i was expecting that alot).. when 7 came out i still had people wanting xp put back on new machines..


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I wanna go fast!

www.deviantart.com
 
2012-11-27 01:08:04 PM

Celerian: jack21221: I'm having a hard time imagining myself getting "apps" for my computer. Is this somehow different than a normal computer program? Or is it a new name for the same thing?

Basically new name for the same thing.

The entire concept is to make a Operating System that would make it easy to sync Desktop/Laptop/Tablet/Phone together, so you have a Microsoft account that if you download a News App on your desktop, when you pick up your phone, that App is there too, ready to go with your settings. Normally the Apps are small, quick, and do one task. They install easily from the store. Many are free, some are a small cost. But you can still install programs normally, as well.


A Microsoft account? Who's ever heard of such shiat. A news "app"? It's called a web browser. You click on firefox (which is probably already open anyway) and click on the bookmark for your favorite news site. Surely that's at least as fast and easy as going to the desktop and opening an app.

The only reason I have some apps on my iPhone is because mobile safari is a horrible browser and it doesn't display some websites properly. If you have a full computer, this is not an issue.

People were talking about a pandora app. What possible use is this? It's trivial to just go to the website. I have a bookmark right on my browser. I click on the button and it takes me to pandora. I don't need to minimize the browser and click on a separate program. Why would this be preferable?

This thread is making me feel like a Luddite.
 
2012-11-27 01:12:19 PM

JusticeandIndependence: I bought an HP with Windows 8 at a black Friday sale. I actually like it so far. sorry to burst your bubble subby.


Wow, users actually like it? I am SHOCKED.

/It's fine if you take 30 seconds to actually, you know, try it.
 
2012-11-27 01:27:18 PM
It was way past time to upgrade the desktop, so I ordered a Win8 replacement on Black Friday. Haven't got it yet, but at least some of your comments are making me feel better about going with 8.
 
2012-11-27 01:33:52 PM

jack21221: Celerian: jack21221: I'm having a hard time imagining myself getting "apps" for my computer. Is this somehow different than a normal computer program? Or is it a new name for the same thing?

Basically new name for the same thing.

The entire concept is to make a Operating System that would make it easy to sync Desktop/Laptop/Tablet/Phone together, so you have a Microsoft account that if you download a News App on your desktop, when you pick up your phone, that App is there too, ready to go with your settings. Normally the Apps are small, quick, and do one task. They install easily from the store. Many are free, some are a small cost. But you can still install programs normally, as well.

A Microsoft account? Who's ever heard of such shiat. A news "app"? It's called a web browser. You click on firefox (which is probably already open anyway) and click on the bookmark for your favorite news site. Surely that's at least as fast and easy as going to the desktop and opening an app.

The only reason I have some apps on my iPhone is because mobile safari is a horrible browser and it doesn't display some websites properly. If you have a full computer, this is not an issue.

People were talking about a pandora app. What possible use is this? It's trivial to just go to the website. I have a bookmark right on my browser. I click on the button and it takes me to pandora. I don't need to minimize the browser and click on a separate program. Why would this be preferable?

This thread is making me feel like a Luddite.


Personally, I'd prefer if pandora were a plugin for winamp/itunes/zune/whatever, but the point of having it being an app is:

a) not wasting bandwidth on crap like pictures and flash menus and such.
b) not having to worry about your web development platform suddenly dropping support/not being supported in your browser. MS isn't going to suddenly drop support for C++ apps, but silverlight? No problem with that. Also, flash on the iPhone not being supported by Apple
c) having 5000 tabs or browser windows open sucks.
d) not having to target multiple browsers. Have you ever tried to go to read.amazon.com using internet exploder? Hint: you can't.
 
2012-11-27 01:42:19 PM

jack21221: Celerian: jack21221: I'm having a hard time imagining myself getting "apps" for my computer. Is this somehow different than a normal computer program? Or is it a new name for the same thing?

Basically new name for the same thing.

The entire concept is to make a Operating System that would make it easy to sync Desktop/Laptop/Tablet/Phone together, so you have a Microsoft account that if you download a News App on your desktop, when you pick up your phone, that App is there too, ready to go with your settings. Normally the Apps are small, quick, and do one task. They install easily from the store. Many are free, some are a small cost. But you can still install programs normally, as well.

A Microsoft account? Who's ever heard of such shiat. A news "app"? It's called a web browser. You click on firefox (which is probably already open anyway) and click on the bookmark for your favorite news site. Surely that's at least as fast and easy as going to the desktop and opening an app.

The only reason I have some apps on my iPhone is because mobile safari is a horrible browser and it doesn't display some websites properly. If you have a full computer, this is not an issue.

People were talking about a pandora app. What possible use is this? It's trivial to just go to the website. I have a bookmark right on my browser. I click on the button and it takes me to pandora. I don't need to minimize the browser and click on a separate program. Why would this be preferable?

This thread is making me feel like a Luddite.


If you have an android phone, a Microsoft Account isn't all that hard to understand. All these Apps are tied together via your microsoft account. It allows the apps to bring the information you want to see, no matter what device your using. Yes, I agree that going to [preferred news site] is probably more logical for most computer users, but on your Metro UI, which is basically your landing page for everything, you have all these live tiles. If you have the News App set up, it will scroll through some top stories in the tile, and you can click it if you want to know more. An RSS feed of sorts. But you can get your news at a glance. You can set up the landing page however you want, so most used programs or applications are at the forefront of your Metro UI, and you don't have to open a browser or app at all, as long as the app has a live tile that brings updated information.

Same with the Pandora app. Instead of opening a browser and going to pandora, switching back and forth all the time to rate songs, an app could easily dock to one side of the screen, tell you whats playing and provide your controls for rating and skipping. On the other part of the screen, you might have a document or a website or a game open, and you can have them running side by side, simultaneously.

The other function of the microsoft account, aside from managing your preferences for all these apps which are easily shared between laptop/phone/tablet, is to purchase apps with. Much like a steam account or your Apple Store account, this ties your microsoft account purchases so when I buy Angry Birds 45 : A House Made of Sticks on my laptop, I can also download it to my other devices, assuming there are any.

Yes, Win8 is different. Win8 has a learning curve. Win8 is blending and blurring the lines and making us think differently about the desktop environment. It may or may not work, but unless you've tried it, and given it a good solid chance, don't hate on it. Its not that bad.
 
2012-11-27 02:08:12 PM

Celerian: JusticeandIndependence: I bought an HP with Windows 8 at a black Friday sale. I actually like it so far. sorry to burst your bubble subby.

I bought an ASUS with Windows 8. Its different, but might prove pretty interesting.

My last two laptops have been HPs. Hope you got yourself an extended warranty, because I have had nothing but hardware failures and overheating with both of the HPs I had.


Funny,those are the problems I had with my ASUS laptop.
 
2012-11-27 02:13:06 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Celerian: JusticeandIndependence: I bought an HP with Windows 8 at a black Friday sale. I actually like it so far. sorry to burst your bubble subby.

I bought an ASUS with Windows 8. Its different, but might prove pretty interesting.

My last two laptops have been HPs. Hope you got yourself an extended warranty, because I have had nothing but hardware failures and overheating with both of the HPs I had.

Funny,those are the problems I had with my ASUS laptop.


Granted, the overheating issue was more with design flaw of older laptops. Something around 2-3 years ago, most of them have changed how they dissipate heat, and most of them stay a lot cooler. Smaller, more efficient architecture helps, as does not having a discrete GPU raising the temperatures as well. I should be straight as long as the fan in the ASUS doesn't start to dog out like the one in the HP does. Also, better placement of fans and vents. My HPs both funneled heat out of the bottom and rear left side. The bottom didn't help, because it was always sitting on a flat surface, so it was pushing all the heat out of the back vent. The ASUS has vents in the back and in the side left, not the bottom of the machine.
 
2012-11-27 02:29:45 PM

Celerian: corronchilejano: I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.

I have had no problems. It may be your graphics drivers. I am using an 3rd Gen i5 processor (so Intel HD 4000 graphics on chip), Win 8 and Dx11.


Dell 4752g (2nd Gen i7 with Nvidia GTS 520m). Runs perfectly on Windows 7.
 
2012-11-27 02:42:12 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Funny,those are the problems I had with my ASUS laptop.


My old ASUS gets very hot if I run it at high settings and extended use. The one I got last year with icecool tech doesn't get warm at all.
 
2012-11-27 02:49:14 PM

corronchilejano: Celerian: corronchilejano: I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.

I have had no problems. It may be your graphics drivers. I am using an 3rd Gen i5 processor (so Intel HD 4000 graphics on chip), Win 8 and Dx11.

Dell 4752g (2nd Gen i7 with Nvidia GTS 520m). Runs perfectly on Windows 7.


Hmmm. Assuming Windows 7 and Windows 8 were both 64-bit editions? Did you find anything in error logs with wow that you could take to their technical support forum?
 
2012-11-27 02:54:19 PM

Celerian: corronchilejano: Celerian: corronchilejano: I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.

I have had no problems. It may be your graphics drivers. I am using an 3rd Gen i5 processor (so Intel HD 4000 graphics on chip), Win 8 and Dx11.

Dell 4752g (2nd Gen i7 with Nvidia GTS 520m). Runs perfectly on Windows 7.

Hmmm. Assuming Windows 7 and Windows 8 were both 64-bit editions? Did you find anything in error logs with wow that you could take to their technical support forum?


Nope, and there's a lot of people with the same issue but on Windows 7. Yes, both are 64bit versions. No other game has issues.
 
2012-11-27 02:56:07 PM

corronchilejano: Celerian: corronchilejano: Celerian: corronchilejano: I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.

I have had no problems. It may be your graphics drivers. I am using an 3rd Gen i5 processor (so Intel HD 4000 graphics on chip), Win 8 and Dx11.

Dell 4752g (2nd Gen i7 with Nvidia GTS 520m). Runs perfectly on Windows 7.

Hmmm. Assuming Windows 7 and Windows 8 were both 64-bit editions? Did you find anything in error logs with wow that you could take to their technical support forum?

Nope, and there's a lot of people with the same issue but on Windows 7. Yes, both are 64bit versions. No other game has issues.


Latest drivers: 306.97?
 
2012-11-27 03:12:41 PM
I'm already using Windows 12 so I'm getting a kick.
 
2012-11-27 03:33:54 PM

Celerian: Yes, Win8 is different. Win8 has a learning curve. Win8 is blending and blurring the lines and making us think differently about the desktop environment. It may or may not work, but unless you've tried it, and given it a good solid chance, don't hate on it. Its not that bad.


Thing is, none of what you've described sounds remotely interesting to me. I do not have nor do I ever plan to have a windows phone. When you say "opening your browser," that seems to imply that I ever close mine. My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.

And what's all this talk about having one app open on one side of the screen, and another app open on another side of the screen. I can do that now. It's trivial to drag a window off to the side. I just did it with Pandora. I disconnected the tab, dragged it to the side of the screen, and then adjusted the size of the browser window. It took me less than 15 seconds, and now I have Pandora off to the side and Fark taking up the rest of the screen. I then seamlessly took that window and brought it back into the main browser window.

I'm not hating on it because as you point out, I haven't tried it. I simply don't understand it. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. It sounds like change for the sake of change, and not actually for improving anything.
 
2012-11-27 03:40:26 PM
Windows 8 is really fine, there's a lot of negative hype that doesn't really stand up under much scrutiny.
 
2012-11-27 03:41:31 PM

jack21221: Celerian: Yes, Win8 is different. Win8 has a learning curve. Win8 is blending and blurring the lines and making us think differently about the desktop environment. It may or may not work, but unless you've tried it, and given it a good solid chance, don't hate on it. Its not that bad.

Thing is, none of what you've described sounds remotely interesting to me. I do not have nor do I ever plan to have a windows phone. When you say "opening your browser," that seems to imply that I ever close mine. My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.

And what's all this talk about having one app open on one side of the screen, and another app open on another side of the screen. I can do that now. It's trivial to drag a window off to the side. I just did it with Pandora. I disconnected the tab, dragged it to the side of the screen, and then adjusted the size of the browser window. It took me less than 15 seconds, and now I have Pandora off to the side and Fark taking up the rest of the screen. I then seamlessly took that window and brought it back into the main browser window.

I'm not hating on it because as you point out, I haven't tried it. I simply don't understand it. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. It sounds like change for the sake of change, and not actually for improving anything.


All I can say is "try it." You keep your desktop apps persistent on the desktop exactly as you expect.
 
2012-11-27 04:13:25 PM

jack21221: Celerian: Yes, Win8 is different. Win8 has a learning curve. Win8 is blending and blurring the lines and making us think differently about the desktop environment. It may or may not work, but unless you've tried it, and given it a good solid chance, don't hate on it. Its not that bad.

Thing is, none of what you've described sounds remotely interesting to me. I do not have nor do I ever plan to have a windows phone. When you say "opening your browser," that seems to imply that I ever close mine. My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.

And what's all this talk about having one app open on one side of the screen, and another app open on another side of the screen. I can do that now. It's trivial to drag a window off to the side. I just did it with Pandora. I disconnected the tab, dragged it to the side of the screen, and then adjusted the size of the browser window. It took me less than 15 seconds, and now I have Pandora off to the side and Fark taking up the rest of the screen. I then seamlessly took that window and brought it back into the main browser window.

I'm not hating on it because as you point out, I haven't tried it. I simply don't understand it. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. It sounds like change for the sake of change, and not actually for improving anything.


The entire point I was attempting to make is that Windows 8 is not something that everyone should go out and upgrade to because it just came out. If you happen to get it because it came preloaded on a new system, then try it out. For most users of desktops and laptops, windows 7 is probably a better option. I wouldn't have tried Windows 8 either, except its what my new laptop came preloaded with. I actually expected to not like the new UI and use my Windows 7 disk to reinstall everything.

I'm also coming off a 4 year old laptop that took some time to open a browser window. The idea of small apps setup with your personal preferences is just a way to streamline things. I understand, everything you're doing is easy and comfortable. Myself, I haven't even used Pandora much because I was more used to picking music straight from my mp3 collection (all burnt and indexed manually) and playing it in Winamp. I will probably still end up loading my mp3s and winamp, because its what I'm used to (and I LOVE milkdrop, damnit), but streaming radio stations are pretty cool. It would just be awesome to have something implemented into the new UI that would allow me to click once and start playing my preferred station.

The docking feature on Windows 8 is pretty nifty. It builds on the dock to screen function that Windows 7, maybe Vista, had begun natively, but most applications on Windows 8 allow you to just grab up near the top of the screen and pull the window to either side and dock it. Again, Win 8 is meant to try something new and change perceptions. Microsoft is making a huge bet that this will fly and its really to early to see if it will pay off.

If your interested in the history of Windows UI and the decisions behind some of the changes that came with Windows 8, read this: Creating the Windows 8 user experience
 
2012-11-27 04:29:29 PM
Besides the fact that I'm enjoying Windows 8 right now, there is a key thing that I love about it. My Dad just purchased a new computer with Windows 8 and he has called me ZERO times about how to use it. Even my computer illiterate brother who called me constantly to figure out how to delete a desktop shortcut hasn't bothered me about it either.

The learning curve is more of a "unlearning" curve. You have to dumb yourself down and it works like a charm and really is simple as hell to use. Those who are bashing it really haven't given it a shot to see what it can do. I have had zero problems getting any program that would run on windows 7 to work perfectly fine on my computer. Plans are in place that by 3rd quarter next year we'll be doing a roll out of 8 to all of our user computers here.
 
2012-11-27 04:37:42 PM

abhorrent1: BohemianGraham: 3rded On the HP comments as my mom had to go buy an Asus within a year due to it being a flaming Pile Of shiat.

AFAIK, Asus is famous for their mobo failures. I have an Asus with a bad mobo sitting in my basement right now, so I'm getting a kick....


I thought that was ACER, which she had prior to the HP. It just up and died one day. I have a 6 year old Acer that still works, but barely. Mom still uses the HP, but barely. Her Asus runs really cool, and except for the touchpad issue, works fine.

We've used Acer, Asus, Compaq/HP, Dell, Sony, and Toshiba laptops, and I've come to the Conclusion that there are lemons In every brand, but HP seems to have a higher ratio.
 
2012-11-27 04:47:09 PM

BohemianGraham: abhorrent1: BohemianGraham: 3rded On the HP comments as my mom had to go buy an Asus within a year due to it being a flaming Pile Of shiat.

AFAIK, Asus is famous for their mobo failures. I have an Asus with a bad mobo sitting in my basement right now, so I'm getting a kick....

I thought that was ACER, which she had prior to the HP. It just up and died one day. I have a 6 year old Acer that still works, but barely. Mom still uses the HP, but barely. Her Asus runs really cool, and except for the touchpad issue, works fine.

We've used Acer, Asus, Compaq/HP, Dell, Sony, and Toshiba laptops, and I've come to the Conclusion that there are lemons In every brand, but HP seems to have a higher ratio.


It sounds like she probably uses an attached mouse like I do. I did hear about one setting that would disable the touchpad if a mouse was attached. Maybe she has that turned on.
 
2012-11-27 05:45:59 PM

Celerian: How do you feel about Windows Vista?


Worst. OS. EVAR!!
 
2012-11-27 06:00:29 PM

bossjock77: Celerian: How do you feel about Windows Vista?

Worst. OS. EVAR!!


Windows ME was by far the most rage inducing OS I've ever had.
 
2012-11-27 06:23:00 PM

jack21221: My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.


I take it your browser has some high memory leaks? Yea I do that too, I've had my browser open for much of the day and even though I've closed various tabs Chrome is still holding over a gig of memory currently. I usually keep my browser open until flash player crashes because that happens way before my browser will start to slow down from consuming too much memory.
 
2012-11-27 06:38:26 PM

Tenatra: jack21221: My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.

I take it your browser has some high memory leaks? Yea I do that too, I've had my browser open for much of the day and even though I've closed various tabs Chrome is still holding over a gig of memory currently. I usually keep my browser open until flash player crashes because that happens way before my browser will start to slow down from consuming too much memory.


I'm the sort that tends to leave a browser open as well, highest I've ever caught FF was just under 900MB without purposely pushing it as far as it would go, doesn't matter much to me anymore though since I threw 16GB onto my desktop. Chrome can eat a GB just for existing? I remember back when Chrome was supposed to be Firefox without all the bloat...and I remember firefox totted as EI without all the bloat...oh the circle of life...joyous it is.
 
2012-11-27 07:01:23 PM

Tenatra: bossjock77: Celerian: How do you feel about Windows Vista?

Worst. OS. EVAR!!

Windows ME was by far the most rage inducing OS I've ever had.


I'm somewhat joking about Vista. It was a decent OS, as long as you had the hardware to be able to handle it. My gaming PC back in the day was an AMD Athtlon 64 x2 4800 with an gForce 7900 GS and 4 GB of RAM. Vista ran flawlessly (except for driver issues every once in a while). My current work laptop is a 1.06 GHz Core 2 Duo with integrated video and 2 GB of RAM. Using an Etch-A-Sketch would be faster and more productive.
 
2012-11-27 07:23:39 PM

BumpInTheNight: I'm the sort that tends to leave a browser open as well, highest I've ever caught FF was just under 900MB without purposely pushing it as far as it would go, doesn't matter much to me anymore though since I threw 16GB onto my desktop. Chrome can eat a GB just for existing? I remember back when Chrome was supposed to be Firefox without all the bloat...and I remember firefox totted as EI without all the bloat...oh the circle of life...joyous it is.


If I remember correctly when Chrome came out it was before the prevalence of javascript and flash objects in damn near every webpage, back then Chrome had memory leaks (as did the others) but it was still great. I've been meaning to switch back to FF, have it installed but just haven't been running it yet. Each tab in chrome is its own sandbox which adds to system resources and supposedly the cleanup is supposed to be better when you close a tab. I still have a large mass hanging around even after closing things, Chrome is still good as long as you close it down completely frequently.

bossjock77: I'm somewhat joking about Vista. It was a decent OS, as long as you had the hardware to be able to handle it.


I was thinking that you were, just wasn't sure :)
 
2012-11-27 08:13:43 PM

Tenatra: If I remember correctly when Chrome came out it was before the prevalence of javascript and flash objects in damn near every webpage, back then Chrome had memory leaks (as did the others) but it was still great. I've been meaning to switch back to FF, have it installed but just haven't been running it yet. Each tab in chrome is its own sandbox which adds to system resources and supposedly the cleanup is supposed to be better when you close a tab. I still have a large mass hanging around even after closing things, Chrome is still good as long as you close it down completely frequently.


Sounds like Java, 500MB to display 'hello world!' oh boy. :P
 
2012-11-27 11:00:45 PM

BumpInTheNight: Tenatra: If I remember correctly when Chrome came out it was before the prevalence of javascript and flash objects in damn near every webpage, back then Chrome had memory leaks (as did the others) but it was still great. I've been meaning to switch back to FF, have it installed but just haven't been running it yet. Each tab in chrome is its own sandbox which adds to system resources and supposedly the cleanup is supposed to be better when you close a tab. I still have a large mass hanging around even after closing things, Chrome is still good as long as you close it down completely frequently.


Sounds like Java, 500MB to display 'hello world!' oh boy. :P


Join the .NET side. You know you want to.

/we have cookies
 
2012-11-28 03:44:39 AM

Tenatra: Windows ME was by far the most rage inducing OS I've ever had.


And for the exact same reasons as Vista. ME fiddled with the drivers so that they'd be more NT like, a LOT of companies went "fark it" repackaged their Win9x drivers so the installer wouldn't freak out at the newer version number and the end user got to reap the whirlwind.

It was also a bit of a system hog in its day which if you had a decent system went unnoticed; if you were on the bottom rung Dell with 32Mb of RAM (or less) and sharing it with an IGP... you were going to have a bad time. Exactly like Vista really; it wasn't that the OS was bad it was that Dell, HP, etc were shoving it on to single core machines with 512MB RAM and it REALLY wasn't happy about it (Hell towards the end even XP wasn't that happy on such configurations once you factor in the bloatware).

Put Vista on a dual core with 2GB+ of RAM and a lot of the issues people were having with it mysteriously vanished, same with ME.

Which is largely my opinion with Win8; it might be a wonderful OS but how people remember it will be decided by the OEM's and their bottom rung of machines.
 
2012-11-28 06:59:35 AM

Celerian: BohemianGraham: abhorrent1: BohemianGraham: 3rded On the HP comments as my mom had to go buy an Asus within a year due to it being a flaming Pile Of shiat.

AFAIK, Asus is famous for their mobo failures. I have an Asus with a bad mobo sitting in my basement right now, so I'm getting a kick....

I thought that was ACER, which she had prior to the HP. It just up and died one day. I have a 6 year old Acer that still works, but barely. Mom still uses the HP, but barely. Her Asus runs really cool, and except for the touchpad issue, works fine.

We've used Acer, Asus, Compaq/HP, Dell, Sony, and Toshiba laptops, and I've come to the Conclusion that there are lemons In every brand, but HP seems to have a higher ratio.

It sounds like she probably uses an attached mouse like I do. I did hear about one setting that would disable the touchpad if a mouse was attached. Maybe she has that turned on.


Checked that.It's not. it Only borked with the 8 upgrade. tried updating the drivers from Asus as well. It's tracking on the trackpad, but the tapping to click And the left button don't work at all, and the right works sporadically.
 
2012-11-28 02:53:08 PM
... the hell is 'unawares'? Is it more than one type of not-being-aware existing in an entity?
 
2012-11-28 03:28:44 PM

Vaneshi: Tenatra: Windows ME was by far the most rage inducing OS I've ever had.

And for the exact same reasons as Vista. ME fiddled with the drivers so that they'd be more NT like, a LOT of companies went "fark it" repackaged their Win9x drivers so the installer wouldn't freak out at the newer version number and the end user got to reap the whirlwind.

It was also a bit of a system hog in its day which if you had a decent system went unnoticed; if you were on the bottom rung Dell with 32Mb of RAM (or less) and sharing it with an IGP... you were going to have a bad time. Exactly like Vista really; it wasn't that the OS was bad it was that Dell, HP, etc were shoving it on to single core machines with 512MB RAM and it REALLY wasn't happy about it (Hell towards the end even XP wasn't that happy on such configurations once you factor in the bloatware).

Put Vista on a dual core with 2GB+ of RAM and a lot of the issues people were having with it mysteriously vanished, same with ME.

Which is largely my opinion with Win8; it might be a wonderful OS but how people remember it will be decided by the OEM's and their bottom rung of machines.


The laptop that just died on me had a 64 bit processor but apparently came with a 32 bit version of Vista. I probably should have threw a fit, because holy god is that dumb. No matter, because after about a year and a half, the hard drive crashed on the system, and geek squad had to replace it. Factory wiped my system clean and gave me a new hard drive with nothing on it. Then they told me I could pay HP $15 to get a new disk delivered, because they don't package recovery disks anymore. Instead, I opted to buy a 64-bit version of 7, and it ran pretty well until it died.
 
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