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2012-11-27 12:35:45 PM

Icetech3: Umm... subby is on crack... i have owned a computer store for 24 years now... so far my customers are loving 8... i wanted to hate it but i can't.. only hate the default interface which is easy to never use.. my normal machine we build boots in 7 seconds and win8 is VERY fast..

Another indicator on how people feel about it is that i have not had 1 single machine come in to have 8 removed and 7 put on.. (which makes me sad cause i was expecting that alot).. when 7 came out i still had people wanting xp put back on new machines..


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2012-11-27 01:08:04 PM

Celerian: jack21221: I'm having a hard time imagining myself getting "apps" for my computer. Is this somehow different than a normal computer program? Or is it a new name for the same thing?

Basically new name for the same thing.

The entire concept is to make a Operating System that would make it easy to sync Desktop/Laptop/Tablet/Phone together, so you have a Microsoft account that if you download a News App on your desktop, when you pick up your phone, that App is there too, ready to go with your settings. Normally the Apps are small, quick, and do one task. They install easily from the store. Many are free, some are a small cost. But you can still install programs normally, as well.


A Microsoft account? Who's ever heard of such shiat. A news "app"? It's called a web browser. You click on firefox (which is probably already open anyway) and click on the bookmark for your favorite news site. Surely that's at least as fast and easy as going to the desktop and opening an app.

The only reason I have some apps on my iPhone is because mobile safari is a horrible browser and it doesn't display some websites properly. If you have a full computer, this is not an issue.

People were talking about a pandora app. What possible use is this? It's trivial to just go to the website. I have a bookmark right on my browser. I click on the button and it takes me to pandora. I don't need to minimize the browser and click on a separate program. Why would this be preferable?

This thread is making me feel like a Luddite.
 
2012-11-27 01:12:19 PM

JusticeandIndependence: I bought an HP with Windows 8 at a black Friday sale. I actually like it so far. sorry to burst your bubble subby.


Wow, users actually like it? I am SHOCKED.

/It's fine if you take 30 seconds to actually, you know, try it.
 
2012-11-27 01:27:18 PM
It was way past time to upgrade the desktop, so I ordered a Win8 replacement on Black Friday. Haven't got it yet, but at least some of your comments are making me feel better about going with 8.
 
2012-11-27 01:33:52 PM

jack21221: Celerian: jack21221: I'm having a hard time imagining myself getting "apps" for my computer. Is this somehow different than a normal computer program? Or is it a new name for the same thing?

Basically new name for the same thing.

The entire concept is to make a Operating System that would make it easy to sync Desktop/Laptop/Tablet/Phone together, so you have a Microsoft account that if you download a News App on your desktop, when you pick up your phone, that App is there too, ready to go with your settings. Normally the Apps are small, quick, and do one task. They install easily from the store. Many are free, some are a small cost. But you can still install programs normally, as well.

A Microsoft account? Who's ever heard of such shiat. A news "app"? It's called a web browser. You click on firefox (which is probably already open anyway) and click on the bookmark for your favorite news site. Surely that's at least as fast and easy as going to the desktop and opening an app.

The only reason I have some apps on my iPhone is because mobile safari is a horrible browser and it doesn't display some websites properly. If you have a full computer, this is not an issue.

People were talking about a pandora app. What possible use is this? It's trivial to just go to the website. I have a bookmark right on my browser. I click on the button and it takes me to pandora. I don't need to minimize the browser and click on a separate program. Why would this be preferable?

This thread is making me feel like a Luddite.


Personally, I'd prefer if pandora were a plugin for winamp/itunes/zune/whatever, but the point of having it being an app is:

a) not wasting bandwidth on crap like pictures and flash menus and such.
b) not having to worry about your web development platform suddenly dropping support/not being supported in your browser. MS isn't going to suddenly drop support for C++ apps, but silverlight? No problem with that. Also, flash on the iPhone not being supported by Apple
c) having 5000 tabs or browser windows open sucks.
d) not having to target multiple browsers. Have you ever tried to go to read.amazon.com using internet exploder? Hint: you can't.
 
2012-11-27 01:42:19 PM

jack21221: Celerian: jack21221: I'm having a hard time imagining myself getting "apps" for my computer. Is this somehow different than a normal computer program? Or is it a new name for the same thing?

Basically new name for the same thing.

The entire concept is to make a Operating System that would make it easy to sync Desktop/Laptop/Tablet/Phone together, so you have a Microsoft account that if you download a News App on your desktop, when you pick up your phone, that App is there too, ready to go with your settings. Normally the Apps are small, quick, and do one task. They install easily from the store. Many are free, some are a small cost. But you can still install programs normally, as well.

A Microsoft account? Who's ever heard of such shiat. A news "app"? It's called a web browser. You click on firefox (which is probably already open anyway) and click on the bookmark for your favorite news site. Surely that's at least as fast and easy as going to the desktop and opening an app.

The only reason I have some apps on my iPhone is because mobile safari is a horrible browser and it doesn't display some websites properly. If you have a full computer, this is not an issue.

People were talking about a pandora app. What possible use is this? It's trivial to just go to the website. I have a bookmark right on my browser. I click on the button and it takes me to pandora. I don't need to minimize the browser and click on a separate program. Why would this be preferable?

This thread is making me feel like a Luddite.


If you have an android phone, a Microsoft Account isn't all that hard to understand. All these Apps are tied together via your microsoft account. It allows the apps to bring the information you want to see, no matter what device your using. Yes, I agree that going to [preferred news site] is probably more logical for most computer users, but on your Metro UI, which is basically your landing page for everything, you have all these live tiles. If you have the News App set up, it will scroll through some top stories in the tile, and you can click it if you want to know more. An RSS feed of sorts. But you can get your news at a glance. You can set up the landing page however you want, so most used programs or applications are at the forefront of your Metro UI, and you don't have to open a browser or app at all, as long as the app has a live tile that brings updated information.

Same with the Pandora app. Instead of opening a browser and going to pandora, switching back and forth all the time to rate songs, an app could easily dock to one side of the screen, tell you whats playing and provide your controls for rating and skipping. On the other part of the screen, you might have a document or a website or a game open, and you can have them running side by side, simultaneously.

The other function of the microsoft account, aside from managing your preferences for all these apps which are easily shared between laptop/phone/tablet, is to purchase apps with. Much like a steam account or your Apple Store account, this ties your microsoft account purchases so when I buy Angry Birds 45 : A House Made of Sticks on my laptop, I can also download it to my other devices, assuming there are any.

Yes, Win8 is different. Win8 has a learning curve. Win8 is blending and blurring the lines and making us think differently about the desktop environment. It may or may not work, but unless you've tried it, and given it a good solid chance, don't hate on it. Its not that bad.
 
2012-11-27 02:08:12 PM

Celerian: JusticeandIndependence: I bought an HP with Windows 8 at a black Friday sale. I actually like it so far. sorry to burst your bubble subby.

I bought an ASUS with Windows 8. Its different, but might prove pretty interesting.

My last two laptops have been HPs. Hope you got yourself an extended warranty, because I have had nothing but hardware failures and overheating with both of the HPs I had.


Funny,those are the problems I had with my ASUS laptop.
 
2012-11-27 02:13:06 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Celerian: JusticeandIndependence: I bought an HP with Windows 8 at a black Friday sale. I actually like it so far. sorry to burst your bubble subby.

I bought an ASUS with Windows 8. Its different, but might prove pretty interesting.

My last two laptops have been HPs. Hope you got yourself an extended warranty, because I have had nothing but hardware failures and overheating with both of the HPs I had.

Funny,those are the problems I had with my ASUS laptop.


Granted, the overheating issue was more with design flaw of older laptops. Something around 2-3 years ago, most of them have changed how they dissipate heat, and most of them stay a lot cooler. Smaller, more efficient architecture helps, as does not having a discrete GPU raising the temperatures as well. I should be straight as long as the fan in the ASUS doesn't start to dog out like the one in the HP does. Also, better placement of fans and vents. My HPs both funneled heat out of the bottom and rear left side. The bottom didn't help, because it was always sitting on a flat surface, so it was pushing all the heat out of the back vent. The ASUS has vents in the back and in the side left, not the bottom of the machine.
 
2012-11-27 02:29:45 PM

Celerian: corronchilejano: I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.

I have had no problems. It may be your graphics drivers. I am using an 3rd Gen i5 processor (so Intel HD 4000 graphics on chip), Win 8 and Dx11.


Dell 4752g (2nd Gen i7 with Nvidia GTS 520m). Runs perfectly on Windows 7.
 
2012-11-27 02:42:12 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Funny,those are the problems I had with my ASUS laptop.


My old ASUS gets very hot if I run it at high settings and extended use. The one I got last year with icecool tech doesn't get warm at all.
 
2012-11-27 02:49:14 PM

corronchilejano: Celerian: corronchilejano: I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.

I have had no problems. It may be your graphics drivers. I am using an 3rd Gen i5 processor (so Intel HD 4000 graphics on chip), Win 8 and Dx11.

Dell 4752g (2nd Gen i7 with Nvidia GTS 520m). Runs perfectly on Windows 7.


Hmmm. Assuming Windows 7 and Windows 8 were both 64-bit editions? Did you find anything in error logs with wow that you could take to their technical support forum?
 
2012-11-27 02:54:19 PM

Celerian: corronchilejano: Celerian: corronchilejano: I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.

I have had no problems. It may be your graphics drivers. I am using an 3rd Gen i5 processor (so Intel HD 4000 graphics on chip), Win 8 and Dx11.

Dell 4752g (2nd Gen i7 with Nvidia GTS 520m). Runs perfectly on Windows 7.

Hmmm. Assuming Windows 7 and Windows 8 were both 64-bit editions? Did you find anything in error logs with wow that you could take to their technical support forum?


Nope, and there's a lot of people with the same issue but on Windows 7. Yes, both are 64bit versions. No other game has issues.
 
2012-11-27 02:56:07 PM

corronchilejano: Celerian: corronchilejano: Celerian: corronchilejano: I'm (almost) ashamed of admiting I keep Windows 7 because WoW crashes while running it in Dx 11 on Windows 8.

I have had no problems. It may be your graphics drivers. I am using an 3rd Gen i5 processor (so Intel HD 4000 graphics on chip), Win 8 and Dx11.

Dell 4752g (2nd Gen i7 with Nvidia GTS 520m). Runs perfectly on Windows 7.

Hmmm. Assuming Windows 7 and Windows 8 were both 64-bit editions? Did you find anything in error logs with wow that you could take to their technical support forum?

Nope, and there's a lot of people with the same issue but on Windows 7. Yes, both are 64bit versions. No other game has issues.


Latest drivers: 306.97?
 
2012-11-27 03:12:41 PM
I'm already using Windows 12 so I'm getting a kick.
 
2012-11-27 03:33:54 PM

Celerian: Yes, Win8 is different. Win8 has a learning curve. Win8 is blending and blurring the lines and making us think differently about the desktop environment. It may or may not work, but unless you've tried it, and given it a good solid chance, don't hate on it. Its not that bad.


Thing is, none of what you've described sounds remotely interesting to me. I do not have nor do I ever plan to have a windows phone. When you say "opening your browser," that seems to imply that I ever close mine. My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.

And what's all this talk about having one app open on one side of the screen, and another app open on another side of the screen. I can do that now. It's trivial to drag a window off to the side. I just did it with Pandora. I disconnected the tab, dragged it to the side of the screen, and then adjusted the size of the browser window. It took me less than 15 seconds, and now I have Pandora off to the side and Fark taking up the rest of the screen. I then seamlessly took that window and brought it back into the main browser window.

I'm not hating on it because as you point out, I haven't tried it. I simply don't understand it. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. It sounds like change for the sake of change, and not actually for improving anything.
 
2012-11-27 03:40:26 PM
Windows 8 is really fine, there's a lot of negative hype that doesn't really stand up under much scrutiny.
 
2012-11-27 03:41:31 PM

jack21221: Celerian: Yes, Win8 is different. Win8 has a learning curve. Win8 is blending and blurring the lines and making us think differently about the desktop environment. It may or may not work, but unless you've tried it, and given it a good solid chance, don't hate on it. Its not that bad.

Thing is, none of what you've described sounds remotely interesting to me. I do not have nor do I ever plan to have a windows phone. When you say "opening your browser," that seems to imply that I ever close mine. My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.

And what's all this talk about having one app open on one side of the screen, and another app open on another side of the screen. I can do that now. It's trivial to drag a window off to the side. I just did it with Pandora. I disconnected the tab, dragged it to the side of the screen, and then adjusted the size of the browser window. It took me less than 15 seconds, and now I have Pandora off to the side and Fark taking up the rest of the screen. I then seamlessly took that window and brought it back into the main browser window.

I'm not hating on it because as you point out, I haven't tried it. I simply don't understand it. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. It sounds like change for the sake of change, and not actually for improving anything.


All I can say is "try it." You keep your desktop apps persistent on the desktop exactly as you expect.
 
2012-11-27 04:13:25 PM

jack21221: Celerian: Yes, Win8 is different. Win8 has a learning curve. Win8 is blending and blurring the lines and making us think differently about the desktop environment. It may or may not work, but unless you've tried it, and given it a good solid chance, don't hate on it. Its not that bad.

Thing is, none of what you've described sounds remotely interesting to me. I do not have nor do I ever plan to have a windows phone. When you say "opening your browser," that seems to imply that I ever close mine. My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.

And what's all this talk about having one app open on one side of the screen, and another app open on another side of the screen. I can do that now. It's trivial to drag a window off to the side. I just did it with Pandora. I disconnected the tab, dragged it to the side of the screen, and then adjusted the size of the browser window. It took me less than 15 seconds, and now I have Pandora off to the side and Fark taking up the rest of the screen. I then seamlessly took that window and brought it back into the main browser window.

I'm not hating on it because as you point out, I haven't tried it. I simply don't understand it. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. It sounds like change for the sake of change, and not actually for improving anything.


The entire point I was attempting to make is that Windows 8 is not something that everyone should go out and upgrade to because it just came out. If you happen to get it because it came preloaded on a new system, then try it out. For most users of desktops and laptops, windows 7 is probably a better option. I wouldn't have tried Windows 8 either, except its what my new laptop came preloaded with. I actually expected to not like the new UI and use my Windows 7 disk to reinstall everything.

I'm also coming off a 4 year old laptop that took some time to open a browser window. The idea of small apps setup with your personal preferences is just a way to streamline things. I understand, everything you're doing is easy and comfortable. Myself, I haven't even used Pandora much because I was more used to picking music straight from my mp3 collection (all burnt and indexed manually) and playing it in Winamp. I will probably still end up loading my mp3s and winamp, because its what I'm used to (and I LOVE milkdrop, damnit), but streaming radio stations are pretty cool. It would just be awesome to have something implemented into the new UI that would allow me to click once and start playing my preferred station.

The docking feature on Windows 8 is pretty nifty. It builds on the dock to screen function that Windows 7, maybe Vista, had begun natively, but most applications on Windows 8 allow you to just grab up near the top of the screen and pull the window to either side and dock it. Again, Win 8 is meant to try something new and change perceptions. Microsoft is making a huge bet that this will fly and its really to early to see if it will pay off.

If your interested in the history of Windows UI and the decisions behind some of the changes that came with Windows 8, read this: Creating the Windows 8 user experience
 
2012-11-27 04:29:29 PM
Besides the fact that I'm enjoying Windows 8 right now, there is a key thing that I love about it. My Dad just purchased a new computer with Windows 8 and he has called me ZERO times about how to use it. Even my computer illiterate brother who called me constantly to figure out how to delete a desktop shortcut hasn't bothered me about it either.

The learning curve is more of a "unlearning" curve. You have to dumb yourself down and it works like a charm and really is simple as hell to use. Those who are bashing it really haven't given it a shot to see what it can do. I have had zero problems getting any program that would run on windows 7 to work perfectly fine on my computer. Plans are in place that by 3rd quarter next year we'll be doing a roll out of 8 to all of our user computers here.
 
2012-11-27 04:37:42 PM

abhorrent1: BohemianGraham: 3rded On the HP comments as my mom had to go buy an Asus within a year due to it being a flaming Pile Of shiat.

AFAIK, Asus is famous for their mobo failures. I have an Asus with a bad mobo sitting in my basement right now, so I'm getting a kick....


I thought that was ACER, which she had prior to the HP. It just up and died one day. I have a 6 year old Acer that still works, but barely. Mom still uses the HP, but barely. Her Asus runs really cool, and except for the touchpad issue, works fine.

We've used Acer, Asus, Compaq/HP, Dell, Sony, and Toshiba laptops, and I've come to the Conclusion that there are lemons In every brand, but HP seems to have a higher ratio.
 
2012-11-27 04:47:09 PM

BohemianGraham: abhorrent1: BohemianGraham: 3rded On the HP comments as my mom had to go buy an Asus within a year due to it being a flaming Pile Of shiat.

AFAIK, Asus is famous for their mobo failures. I have an Asus with a bad mobo sitting in my basement right now, so I'm getting a kick....

I thought that was ACER, which she had prior to the HP. It just up and died one day. I have a 6 year old Acer that still works, but barely. Mom still uses the HP, but barely. Her Asus runs really cool, and except for the touchpad issue, works fine.

We've used Acer, Asus, Compaq/HP, Dell, Sony, and Toshiba laptops, and I've come to the Conclusion that there are lemons In every brand, but HP seems to have a higher ratio.


It sounds like she probably uses an attached mouse like I do. I did hear about one setting that would disable the touchpad if a mouse was attached. Maybe she has that turned on.
 
2012-11-27 05:45:59 PM

Celerian: How do you feel about Windows Vista?


Worst. OS. EVAR!!
 
2012-11-27 06:00:29 PM

bossjock77: Celerian: How do you feel about Windows Vista?

Worst. OS. EVAR!!


Windows ME was by far the most rage inducing OS I've ever had.
 
2012-11-27 06:23:00 PM

jack21221: My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.


I take it your browser has some high memory leaks? Yea I do that too, I've had my browser open for much of the day and even though I've closed various tabs Chrome is still holding over a gig of memory currently. I usually keep my browser open until flash player crashes because that happens way before my browser will start to slow down from consuming too much memory.
 
2012-11-27 06:38:26 PM

Tenatra: jack21221: My browser stays open at all times. So, if I want to hear some music, I go up to the button on my bookmark bar that says "pandora," and click the scroll wheel so it opens up in a new tab. Incredibly simple, I just did it.

I take it your browser has some high memory leaks? Yea I do that too, I've had my browser open for much of the day and even though I've closed various tabs Chrome is still holding over a gig of memory currently. I usually keep my browser open until flash player crashes because that happens way before my browser will start to slow down from consuming too much memory.


I'm the sort that tends to leave a browser open as well, highest I've ever caught FF was just under 900MB without purposely pushing it as far as it would go, doesn't matter much to me anymore though since I threw 16GB onto my desktop. Chrome can eat a GB just for existing? I remember back when Chrome was supposed to be Firefox without all the bloat...and I remember firefox totted as EI without all the bloat...oh the circle of life...joyous it is.
 
2012-11-27 07:01:23 PM

Tenatra: bossjock77: Celerian: How do you feel about Windows Vista?

Worst. OS. EVAR!!

Windows ME was by far the most rage inducing OS I've ever had.


I'm somewhat joking about Vista. It was a decent OS, as long as you had the hardware to be able to handle it. My gaming PC back in the day was an AMD Athtlon 64 x2 4800 with an gForce 7900 GS and 4 GB of RAM. Vista ran flawlessly (except for driver issues every once in a while). My current work laptop is a 1.06 GHz Core 2 Duo with integrated video and 2 GB of RAM. Using an Etch-A-Sketch would be faster and more productive.
 
2012-11-27 07:23:39 PM

BumpInTheNight: I'm the sort that tends to leave a browser open as well, highest I've ever caught FF was just under 900MB without purposely pushing it as far as it would go, doesn't matter much to me anymore though since I threw 16GB onto my desktop. Chrome can eat a GB just for existing? I remember back when Chrome was supposed to be Firefox without all the bloat...and I remember firefox totted as EI without all the bloat...oh the circle of life...joyous it is.


If I remember correctly when Chrome came out it was before the prevalence of javascript and flash objects in damn near every webpage, back then Chrome had memory leaks (as did the others) but it was still great. I've been meaning to switch back to FF, have it installed but just haven't been running it yet. Each tab in chrome is its own sandbox which adds to system resources and supposedly the cleanup is supposed to be better when you close a tab. I still have a large mass hanging around even after closing things, Chrome is still good as long as you close it down completely frequently.

bossjock77: I'm somewhat joking about Vista. It was a decent OS, as long as you had the hardware to be able to handle it.


I was thinking that you were, just wasn't sure :)
 
2012-11-27 08:13:43 PM

Tenatra: If I remember correctly when Chrome came out it was before the prevalence of javascript and flash objects in damn near every webpage, back then Chrome had memory leaks (as did the others) but it was still great. I've been meaning to switch back to FF, have it installed but just haven't been running it yet. Each tab in chrome is its own sandbox which adds to system resources and supposedly the cleanup is supposed to be better when you close a tab. I still have a large mass hanging around even after closing things, Chrome is still good as long as you close it down completely frequently.


Sounds like Java, 500MB to display 'hello world!' oh boy. :P
 
2012-11-27 11:00:45 PM

BumpInTheNight: Tenatra: If I remember correctly when Chrome came out it was before the prevalence of javascript and flash objects in damn near every webpage, back then Chrome had memory leaks (as did the others) but it was still great. I've been meaning to switch back to FF, have it installed but just haven't been running it yet. Each tab in chrome is its own sandbox which adds to system resources and supposedly the cleanup is supposed to be better when you close a tab. I still have a large mass hanging around even after closing things, Chrome is still good as long as you close it down completely frequently.


Sounds like Java, 500MB to display 'hello world!' oh boy. :P


Join the .NET side. You know you want to.

/we have cookies
 
2012-11-28 03:44:39 AM

Tenatra: Windows ME was by far the most rage inducing OS I've ever had.


And for the exact same reasons as Vista. ME fiddled with the drivers so that they'd be more NT like, a LOT of companies went "fark it" repackaged their Win9x drivers so the installer wouldn't freak out at the newer version number and the end user got to reap the whirlwind.

It was also a bit of a system hog in its day which if you had a decent system went unnoticed; if you were on the bottom rung Dell with 32Mb of RAM (or less) and sharing it with an IGP... you were going to have a bad time. Exactly like Vista really; it wasn't that the OS was bad it was that Dell, HP, etc were shoving it on to single core machines with 512MB RAM and it REALLY wasn't happy about it (Hell towards the end even XP wasn't that happy on such configurations once you factor in the bloatware).

Put Vista on a dual core with 2GB+ of RAM and a lot of the issues people were having with it mysteriously vanished, same with ME.

Which is largely my opinion with Win8; it might be a wonderful OS but how people remember it will be decided by the OEM's and their bottom rung of machines.
 
2012-11-28 06:59:35 AM

Celerian: BohemianGraham: abhorrent1: BohemianGraham: 3rded On the HP comments as my mom had to go buy an Asus within a year due to it being a flaming Pile Of shiat.

AFAIK, Asus is famous for their mobo failures. I have an Asus with a bad mobo sitting in my basement right now, so I'm getting a kick....

I thought that was ACER, which she had prior to the HP. It just up and died one day. I have a 6 year old Acer that still works, but barely. Mom still uses the HP, but barely. Her Asus runs really cool, and except for the touchpad issue, works fine.

We've used Acer, Asus, Compaq/HP, Dell, Sony, and Toshiba laptops, and I've come to the Conclusion that there are lemons In every brand, but HP seems to have a higher ratio.

It sounds like she probably uses an attached mouse like I do. I did hear about one setting that would disable the touchpad if a mouse was attached. Maybe she has that turned on.


Checked that.It's not. it Only borked with the 8 upgrade. tried updating the drivers from Asus as well. It's tracking on the trackpad, but the tapping to click And the left button don't work at all, and the right works sporadically.
 
2012-11-28 02:53:08 PM
... the hell is 'unawares'? Is it more than one type of not-being-aware existing in an entity?
 
2012-11-28 03:28:44 PM

Vaneshi: Tenatra: Windows ME was by far the most rage inducing OS I've ever had.

And for the exact same reasons as Vista. ME fiddled with the drivers so that they'd be more NT like, a LOT of companies went "fark it" repackaged their Win9x drivers so the installer wouldn't freak out at the newer version number and the end user got to reap the whirlwind.

It was also a bit of a system hog in its day which if you had a decent system went unnoticed; if you were on the bottom rung Dell with 32Mb of RAM (or less) and sharing it with an IGP... you were going to have a bad time. Exactly like Vista really; it wasn't that the OS was bad it was that Dell, HP, etc were shoving it on to single core machines with 512MB RAM and it REALLY wasn't happy about it (Hell towards the end even XP wasn't that happy on such configurations once you factor in the bloatware).

Put Vista on a dual core with 2GB+ of RAM and a lot of the issues people were having with it mysteriously vanished, same with ME.

Which is largely my opinion with Win8; it might be a wonderful OS but how people remember it will be decided by the OEM's and their bottom rung of machines.


The laptop that just died on me had a 64 bit processor but apparently came with a 32 bit version of Vista. I probably should have threw a fit, because holy god is that dumb. No matter, because after about a year and a half, the hard drive crashed on the system, and geek squad had to replace it. Factory wiped my system clean and gave me a new hard drive with nothing on it. Then they told me I could pay HP $15 to get a new disk delivered, because they don't package recovery disks anymore. Instead, I opted to buy a 64-bit version of 7, and it ran pretty well until it died.
 
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