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(Des Moines Register)   Iowa has the highest high school graduation rate in the country, failing only 12% of students state wide each year   (blogs.desmoinesregister.com) divider line 23
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2012-11-27 12:10:45 AM
3 votes:
Graduation does not equal education.
2012-11-27 12:35:32 AM
2 votes:

untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.



I know, right? That's a LOT of kids the system is failing. More than 1 in 10 isn't even graduating high school in our BEST state? That's not something we should be bragging about, that should be a farking wakeup call.
2012-11-27 12:33:08 AM
2 votes:

Spartacus Outlaw: Took a long time, and I still feel inadequate,


i am 70, mother's oft repeated "you could do better" was not the encouragement she seemed to think it was. nor was her use of "and this is my son, he will be going back to college soon" a good intro to the new neighbor.

i did go back but never graduated, even with an AA. stopped 5 units short. long term i've had a good life and some personal successes but as you can see the early crap sticks.

for the little it may be worth i am proud of you for your doctorate. more than many of us did that had supporting families.
2012-11-27 12:27:53 AM
2 votes:

Rufus Lee King: nmrsnr: It's easy, just mail everyone who turns 18 a diploma, whether they deserve it or not.

/not suggesting that's what's happening, but don't states have different standards for graduation? How fair is this comparison?

FTA (fairly early in): "The 2010-11 academic year marked the first time all 50 states used a uniform, more rigorous standard to measure how many students graduated, the federal education report said."


Yes, a standardized method of counting the number of students who graduated, which is nice, but not necessarily standardizing the criteria for who qualifies for graduation. Those are different, and potentially very important.
2012-11-27 12:11:29 AM
2 votes:
Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.
2012-11-27 12:11:20 AM
2 votes:
Good for them. In VA we still use standardized tests to rate our teachers effectiveness and they will pass anybody in order to keep their funding. Seriously, I walked across the stage with kids who could barely read and write at an elementary school level. It's insulting to the kids who worked hard and did well in school. At least this state seems to get that you cant reach every kid. Some of them are simply empty headed slack-jawed yokels who don't give a shiat about their education, and the school shouldn't be punished for that. I never thought I would say this, but good for Iowa.

/end rant
2012-11-27 02:11:02 AM
1 votes:

Omahawg: what the heck am I deflecting from? what demographics changed in Iowa from 1950-2010?


He's backed himself into a corner now and will only lash out if confronted. Just back away and let him scurry along.
2012-11-27 01:48:13 AM
1 votes:

AppleOptionEsc: Omahawg: uh, no, what I said was that that was what dropped the statewide literacy down a couple points (which, as I also said, must mean proficiency in English and not count Spanish.). You decided to go all racist whargarbl on that. Frankly, I'd be happy as a clam if even more third-world refugees moved here even if the literacy rate dropped down to 90%. Most of them seem good people and, as I also said, by second generation they'll all be proficient in English anyway. So what's your real beef, sparky?

But not mentioning, or at least acknowledging, that schools have always been happy to pad their numbers by having people who should have failed pass (to keep their jobs, funding, or both) you have saddled Iowa's lack of a perfect score only on non-native residents. With national standards of tests, it's much harder to have stoner Timmy just slide on by and never see him again in remedial class.


so what in the flying fark does that have to do with the state's literacy level? not the same thing, is it? stoned timmy can still probably write and understand "Smells like poop to me" but a recent immigrant from Sudan might have a problem with that.

I've been out of high school two decades now but at least then there were a half dozen people in our ginormous class of 120 who didn't graduate 'cause they farked off the credits and no, they weren't just shuffled along. they just decided to fark it off.

and why the hell ain't we teaching our kids two or three languages from elementary on anyway?
2012-11-27 12:47:57 AM
1 votes:

garkola: schools need to be held accountable for their lack of performance.


The overwhelmingly biggest contributor to student success is parental involvement, something teachers have exactly jack shiat control over.

If a student isn't performing, more often than not it's because the parent(s) aren't taking an active role in that child's education.
2012-11-27 12:39:19 AM
1 votes:
The only important line in the article is this one:

"The 2010-11 academic year marked the first time all 50 states used a uniform, more rigorous standard to measure how many students graduated"

This is most likely one of the legacies of the much-maligned No Child Left Behind act. One of the things it tried to do is standardize...everything...across the states. Heck, before NCLB there was no standard way of measuring anything across the various educational systems.

Teachers hate it because, well, it's flawed. But for all its faults, it's started a ball rolling that the unions can't stop: that schools need to be held accountable for their lack of performance.

You'd think that was something that a school would be doing by default. You'd be wrong...at least for public schools.
2012-11-27 12:31:16 AM
1 votes:

meds for the hypocrite: Graduation does not equal education.


This. I'm a high school drop out. I had some serious personal issues going on in my life. I have a GED, but I have I've had two semesters in a row at college where I've gotten straight A's. Meanwhile, some of my peers with a HSD can not pass "fry cook" training at KFC.

I shiat you not.
2012-11-27 12:29:44 AM
1 votes:

nmrsnr: It's easy, just mail everyone who turns 18 a diploma, whether they deserve it or not.

/not suggesting that's what's happening, but don't states have different standards for graduation? How fair is this comparison?


I know that's not normally the case in Wisconsin, which got 2nd to Iowa. It's not uncommon to get moved up after questionable performances, but they generally draw the line at handing you the diploma.
2012-11-27 12:29:36 AM
1 votes:

reklamfox: Good for them. In VA we still use standardized tests to rate our teachers effectiveness and they will pass anybody in order to keep their funding. Seriously, I walked across the stage with kids who could barely read and write at an elementary school level. It's insulting to the kids who worked hard and did well in school. At least this state seems to get that you cant reach every kid. Some of them are simply empty headed slack-jawed yokels who don't give a shiat about their education, and the school shouldn't be punished for that. I never thought I would say this, but good for Iowa.

/end rant


Insulting? Really? "I got an education! All that kid got was a diploma! But somehow I'm the one who's insulted."
2012-11-27 12:27:27 AM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Ryker's Peninsula: That's where the tall corn grows.


Corn is the answer.


we should put it in everything.
2012-11-27 12:27:09 AM
1 votes:
All you East and West coasters better stay away from Iowa. You WILL be assaulted with polite conversation and extreme friendliness, then ruthlessly invited to a good home cooked dinner. And who would want that?
2012-11-27 12:23:17 AM
1 votes:

nmrsnr: It's easy, just mail everyone who turns 18 a diploma, whether they deserve it or not.


Similar to what I was going to suggest was happening. How many are graduating and actually deserve to graduate? Are 12% just that stupid that there is no way in hell they could auto-pass them without being called on it?

I like to believe that the percentages are on the up and up, though. Shame the pass rate isn't higher but Iowa seems to be doing something right that a LOT of other districts in the nation should take notice of. (I'm looking at you, nation's capital).
Of course there's the argument that you can't teach kids that don't want to be taught, etc. but maybe we need more incentive or something.
I don't know.
2012-11-27 12:22:45 AM
1 votes:

untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.


Maybe your English grades were inflated?
Anyway, there are plenty of kids whose parents don't care about their grades, because they (the parents) did poorly at school and no-one cared about them either. Or else, parents just get worn out and sick of it all. I was number 4 of 5 kids, and my parents had given up on caring by the time I was in school. No-one ever told me post-secondary school was something I could do. I always thought it was for a special class. I was pointed towards service jobs. I dropped out of high school when both parents ended up in other countries.
Took a long time, and I still feel inadequate, but I can put Dr. in front of my name now.
I rarely do, though.
2012-11-27 12:20:17 AM
1 votes:
theappslab.com
2012-11-27 12:13:25 AM
1 votes:
www.theus50.com 

You commit it to a quarter, you better back it up
2012-11-27 12:10:48 AM
1 votes:
I wonder what the literacy rate is.
2012-11-27 12:06:49 AM
1 votes:
I wish they had a link to all 50 states (or I missed it on the page). Not for any snark, I just want to know how everyone is doing.
2012-11-27 12:06:06 AM
1 votes:
It's easy, just mail everyone who turns 18 a diploma, whether they deserve it or not.

/not suggesting that's what's happening, but don't states have different standards for graduation? How fair is this comparison?
2012-11-27 12:05:19 AM
1 votes:
Since college or the military are the easy ways out of Iowa.
 
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