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2012-11-27 12:05:19 AM
Since college or the military are the easy ways out of Iowa.
 
2012-11-27 12:06:06 AM
It's easy, just mail everyone who turns 18 a diploma, whether they deserve it or not.

/not suggesting that's what's happening, but don't states have different standards for graduation? How fair is this comparison?
 
2012-11-27 12:06:49 AM
I wish they had a link to all 50 states (or I missed it on the page). Not for any snark, I just want to know how everyone is doing.
 
2012-11-27 12:06:52 AM
That's where the tall corn grows.
 
2012-11-27 12:09:07 AM
this doesn't surprise me

/iowan
 
2012-11-27 12:10:45 AM
Graduation does not equal education.
 
2012-11-27 12:10:48 AM
I wonder what the literacy rate is.
 
2012-11-27 12:11:20 AM
Good for them. In VA we still use standardized tests to rate our teachers effectiveness and they will pass anybody in order to keep their funding. Seriously, I walked across the stage with kids who could barely read and write at an elementary school level. It's insulting to the kids who worked hard and did well in school. At least this state seems to get that you cant reach every kid. Some of them are simply empty headed slack-jawed yokels who don't give a shiat about their education, and the school shouldn't be punished for that. I never thought I would say this, but good for Iowa.

/end rant
 
2012-11-27 12:11:29 AM
Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.
 
2012-11-27 12:13:25 AM
www.theus50.com 

You commit it to a quarter, you better back it up
 
2012-11-27 12:16:44 AM
Subby fails at reading comprehension.
 
2012-11-27 12:17:00 AM
That's because if you live there, you'll do anything to break out.
 
2012-11-27 12:17:59 AM

AcneVulgaris: I wonder what the literacy rate is.


it was 99% for years and years until the increased immigration from mexico and sudan the past two decades knocked it down some. I don't think it will take too long to get back up there though. I figure they must judge literacy as solely proficiency in english though as I assume most mexicans can write spanish.

besides, there's not much to do in iowa but read, fark, and smoke dope anyway

i also garden
 
2012-11-27 12:19:59 AM

reklamfox: Good for them. In VA we still use standardized tests to rate our teachers effectiveness and they will pass anybody in order to keep their funding. Seriously, I walked across the stage with kids who could barely read and write at an elementary school level. It's insulting to the kids who worked hard and did well in school. At least this state seems to get that you cant reach every kid. Some of them are simply empty headed slack-jawed yokels who don't give a shiat about their education, and the school shouldn't be punished for that. I never thought I would say this, but good for Iowa.

/end rant


Don't know if this is your case but..

May of those kids like that have special education directives where they are in inclusive programs. Some earn diplomas, some earn something like a certificate of attendance. I don't think a person that is not capable of earning a diploma should get one, but I've not problem with them walking across the stage to get the empty diploma cover with everyone else... and then later trading in their rented gown for their certificate of attendance.
 
2012-11-27 12:20:17 AM
theappslab.com
 
2012-11-27 12:22:45 AM

untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.


Maybe your English grades were inflated?
Anyway, there are plenty of kids whose parents don't care about their grades, because they (the parents) did poorly at school and no-one cared about them either. Or else, parents just get worn out and sick of it all. I was number 4 of 5 kids, and my parents had given up on caring by the time I was in school. No-one ever told me post-secondary school was something I could do. I always thought it was for a special class. I was pointed towards service jobs. I dropped out of high school when both parents ended up in other countries.
Took a long time, and I still feel inadequate, but I can put Dr. in front of my name now.
I rarely do, though.
 
2012-11-27 12:23:17 AM

nmrsnr: It's easy, just mail everyone who turns 18 a diploma, whether they deserve it or not.


Similar to what I was going to suggest was happening. How many are graduating and actually deserve to graduate? Are 12% just that stupid that there is no way in hell they could auto-pass them without being called on it?

I like to believe that the percentages are on the up and up, though. Shame the pass rate isn't higher but Iowa seems to be doing something right that a LOT of other districts in the nation should take notice of. (I'm looking at you, nation's capital).
Of course there's the argument that you can't teach kids that don't want to be taught, etc. but maybe we need more incentive or something.
I don't know.
 
2012-11-27 12:23:53 AM

Ryker's Peninsula: That's where the tall corn grows.



Corn is the answer.


/Except when it's hogs
//Or bacon
///We report, you decide
 
2012-11-27 12:26:32 AM

TheManofPA: I wish they had a link to all 50 states (or I missed it on the page). Not for any snark, I just want to know how everyone is doing.


www.boostup.org


/sorry, mobile.
 
2012-11-27 12:27:09 AM
All you East and West coasters better stay away from Iowa. You WILL be assaulted with polite conversation and extreme friendliness, then ruthlessly invited to a good home cooked dinner. And who would want that?
 
2012-11-27 12:27:27 AM

Amos Quito: Ryker's Peninsula: That's where the tall corn grows.


Corn is the answer.


we should put it in everything.
 
2012-11-27 12:27:34 AM
They aren't allowed to dance.
 
2012-11-27 12:27:53 AM

Rufus Lee King: nmrsnr: It's easy, just mail everyone who turns 18 a diploma, whether they deserve it or not.

/not suggesting that's what's happening, but don't states have different standards for graduation? How fair is this comparison?

FTA (fairly early in): "The 2010-11 academic year marked the first time all 50 states used a uniform, more rigorous standard to measure how many students graduated, the federal education report said."


Yes, a standardized method of counting the number of students who graduated, which is nice, but not necessarily standardizing the criteria for who qualifies for graduation. Those are different, and potentially very important.
 
2012-11-27 12:29:05 AM
Mid West Values
 
2012-11-27 12:29:36 AM

reklamfox: Good for them. In VA we still use standardized tests to rate our teachers effectiveness and they will pass anybody in order to keep their funding. Seriously, I walked across the stage with kids who could barely read and write at an elementary school level. It's insulting to the kids who worked hard and did well in school. At least this state seems to get that you cant reach every kid. Some of them are simply empty headed slack-jawed yokels who don't give a shiat about their education, and the school shouldn't be punished for that. I never thought I would say this, but good for Iowa.

/end rant


Insulting? Really? "I got an education! All that kid got was a diploma! But somehow I'm the one who's insulted."
 
2012-11-27 12:29:44 AM

nmrsnr: It's easy, just mail everyone who turns 18 a diploma, whether they deserve it or not.

/not suggesting that's what's happening, but don't states have different standards for graduation? How fair is this comparison?


I know that's not normally the case in Wisconsin, which got 2nd to Iowa. It's not uncommon to get moved up after questionable performances, but they generally draw the line at handing you the diploma.
 
2012-11-27 12:31:16 AM

meds for the hypocrite: Graduation does not equal education.


This. I'm a high school drop out. I had some serious personal issues going on in my life. I have a GED, but I have I've had two semesters in a row at college where I've gotten straight A's. Meanwhile, some of my peers with a HSD can not pass "fry cook" training at KFC.

I shiat you not.
 
2012-11-27 12:33:08 AM

Spartacus Outlaw: Took a long time, and I still feel inadequate,


i am 70, mother's oft repeated "you could do better" was not the encouragement she seemed to think it was. nor was her use of "and this is my son, he will be going back to college soon" a good intro to the new neighbor.

i did go back but never graduated, even with an AA. stopped 5 units short. long term i've had a good life and some personal successes but as you can see the early crap sticks.

for the little it may be worth i am proud of you for your doctorate. more than many of us did that had supporting families.
 
2012-11-27 12:35:32 AM

untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.



I know, right? That's a LOT of kids the system is failing. More than 1 in 10 isn't even graduating high school in our BEST state? That's not something we should be bragging about, that should be a farking wakeup call.
 
2012-11-27 12:38:15 AM
I know that everyone's wondering about that 12% -- seems crazy, right?

Here's the skinny: Both of those kids were bad-apples, just like their father. He went to jail, last I heard.
 
2012-11-27 12:39:19 AM
The only important line in the article is this one:

"The 2010-11 academic year marked the first time all 50 states used a uniform, more rigorous standard to measure how many students graduated"

This is most likely one of the legacies of the much-maligned No Child Left Behind act. One of the things it tried to do is standardize...everything...across the states. Heck, before NCLB there was no standard way of measuring anything across the various educational systems.

Teachers hate it because, well, it's flawed. But for all its faults, it's started a ball rolling that the unions can't stop: that schools need to be held accountable for their lack of performance.

You'd think that was something that a school would be doing by default. You'd be wrong...at least for public schools.
 
2012-11-27 12:40:45 AM

speedycat: meds for the hypocrite: Graduation does not equal education.

This. I'm a high school drop out. I had some serious personal issues going on in my life. I have a GED, but I have I've had two semesters in a row at college where I've gotten straight A's. Meanwhile, some of my peers with a HSD can not pass "fry cook" training at KFC.

I shiat you not.


My uncle came here from Brazil at 17, dropped out of high school, got his GED, and now owns his own company with hundreds of employees.
 
2012-11-27 12:41:32 AM

Rufus Lee King: FTA (fairly early in): "The 2010-11 academic year marked the first time all 50 states used a uniform, more rigorous standard to measure how many students graduated, the federal education report said."


Uniform standards for MEASURING graduation rate is not the same as standards for earning a diploma.

All this means is they're not allowed to fudge the numbers by saying some students don't really count as students. It doesn't say how many illiterates were allowed to graduate, for instance.
 
2012-11-27 12:42:28 AM

mongbiohazard: untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.


I know, right? That's a LOT of kids the system is failing. More than 1 in 10 isn't even graduating high school in our BEST state? That's not something we should be bragging about, that should be a farking wakeup call.


given the normal distribution of intelligence and other mitigating factors that might preclude a kid from graduating high school, what would you recommend as a reasonable graduation rate?
 
2012-11-27 12:44:43 AM
rothcpa.com
 
2012-11-27 12:45:05 AM
I have nothing to add so I GISed "Iowa beautiful women" ... and this was the first result.

farm1.staticflickr.com 

/nttawwt
 
2012-11-27 12:47:57 AM

garkola: schools need to be held accountable for their lack of performance.


The overwhelmingly biggest contributor to student success is parental involvement, something teachers have exactly jack shiat control over.

If a student isn't performing, more often than not it's because the parent(s) aren't taking an active role in that child's education.
 
2012-11-27 12:49:31 AM
Iowa beautiful women? hmmm....

ll-media.tmz.com
 
2012-11-27 12:52:05 AM

thomps: mongbiohazard: untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.


I know, right? That's a LOT of kids the system is failing. More than 1 in 10 isn't even graduating high school in our BEST state? That's not something we should be bragging about, that should be a farking wakeup call.

given the normal distribution of intelligence and other mitigating factors that might preclude a kid from graduating high school, what would you recommend as a reasonable graduation rate?



Better than what it is now. We're getting crushed by other first world nations.
 
2012-11-27 12:54:43 AM

Omahawg: Iowa beautiful women? hmmm....

[ll-media.tmz.com image 768x768]

 

kasewickman.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-27 12:57:17 AM

Omahawg: AcneVulgaris: I wonder what the literacy rate is.

it was 99% for years and years until the increased immigration from mexico and sudan the past two decades knocked it down some. I don't think it will take too long to get back up there though. I figure they must judge literacy as solely proficiency in english though as I assume most mexicans can write spanish.

besides, there's not much to do in iowa but read, fark, and smoke dope anyway

i also garden


Yes, it was TOTALLY those damn furriners. Not, I dunno, people wondering how the fark you get 99% of people to do the same thing? All I hear is "wah wah, someone called Iowa on it's bullshiat!".
 
2012-11-27 12:59:10 AM
Honestly, I thought I was probably getting a raw deal on public education growing up in downstate Illinois, then I got a load of what many New York public schools were doing and started thanking God every day that I went to high school where I did. Despite their mediocre marks on the annual rankings, they really did OK.

While it's certainly one possible explanation that Iowa schools are lowering the standards to make this happen, I wouldn't be too quick to make that assumption. It's just as possible that this is because they're not only running decent schools, but teaching students who are, overall, less likely to be struggling with language barriers and horrifying home lives.
 
2012-11-27 01:02:03 AM

mongbiohazard: thomps: mongbiohazard: untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.


I know, right? That's a LOT of kids the system is failing. More than 1 in 10 isn't even graduating high school in our BEST state? That's not something we should be bragging about, that should be a farking wakeup call.

given the normal distribution of intelligence and other mitigating factors that might preclude a kid from graduating high school, what would you recommend as a reasonable graduation rate?


Better than what it is now. We're getting crushed by other first world nations.


well this is depressing:
the U.S. was the only developed nation where a higher percent of 55- to 64-year-olds than 25- to 34-year-olds had graduated from high school.

but to be fair, you did just move the goalposts from 88% passage rate to something south of 75%...
 
2012-11-27 01:03:38 AM

AppleOptionEsc: Omahawg: AcneVulgaris: I wonder what the literacy rate is.

it was 99% for years and years until the increased immigration from mexico and sudan the past two decades knocked it down some. I don't think it will take too long to get back up there though. I figure they must judge literacy as solely proficiency in english though as I assume most mexicans can write spanish.

besides, there's not much to do in iowa but read, fark, and smoke dope anyway

i also garden

Yes, it was TOTALLY those damn furriners. Not, I dunno, people wondering how the fark you get 99% of people to do the same thing? All I hear is "wah wah, someone called Iowa on it's bullshiat!".


uh....yeah. I think it was since there wasn't much else different in Iowa to change those figures at the end of the 20th century. I'd assume by second generation after going through Iowa's mostly wonderful public education system that it will be 99% again soon enough. hell, my great-grandma didn't speak english until her kids taught her while they were in school.

so don't blame me....blame crappy schools in sudan, I guess. Kind of hard to get all literate when you're running for your life and hiding from the militias, ain't it? Do you have something against the sudanese? Do they make you feel short and pale standing next to them?
 
2012-11-27 01:05:13 AM

Omahawg: AppleOptionEsc: Omahawg: AcneVulgaris: I wonder what the literacy rate is.

it was 99% for years and years until the increased immigration from mexico and sudan the past two decades knocked it down some. I don't think it will take too long to get back up there though. I figure they must judge literacy as solely proficiency in english though as I assume most mexicans can write spanish.

besides, there's not much to do in iowa but read, fark, and smoke dope anyway

i also garden

Yes, it was TOTALLY those damn furriners. Not, I dunno, people wondering how the fark you get 99% of people to do the same thing? All I hear is "wah wah, someone called Iowa on it's bullshiat!".

uh....yeah. I think it was since there wasn't much else different in Iowa to change those figures at the end of the 20th century. I'd assume by second generation after going through Iowa's mostly wonderful public education system that it will be 99% again soon enough. hell, my great-grandma didn't speak english until her kids taught her while they were in school.

so don't blame me....blame crappy schools in sudan, I guess. Kind of hard to get all literate when you're running for your life and hiding from the militias, ain't it? Do you have something against the sudanese? Do they make you feel short and pale standing next to them?


That's a wonderful deflection strategy you are using. B+.
 
2012-11-27 01:07:53 AM
Glass cautioned, however, that  students with special needs, low incomes and those who are non-native English speakers perform at lower academic levels than others in the state.

Really, Iowa? For real? You mean to say that non-native English speakers perform at lower academic levels and might lower the statistics? Just wondering.
Love,
California
 
2012-11-27 01:08:25 AM
what the heck am I deflecting from? what demographics changed in Iowa from 1950-2010?
 
2012-11-27 01:12:24 AM
I have no problem believing 12% of teenagers are simply too stupid or stubborn to help no matter how well you do. Or just don't care.
 
2012-11-27 01:17:01 AM

organizmx: TheManofPA: I wish they had a link to all 50 states (or I missed it on the page). Not for any snark, I just want to know how everyone is doing.

www.boostup.org


/sorry, mobile.


Really surprised by the high numbers. As you might expect from the national summary data, state numbers are highly correlated to population by race.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=phNtm3LmDZEM5olfIMvRWCQ
 
2012-11-27 01:22:25 AM

Omahawg: what the heck am I deflecting from? what demographics changed in Iowa from 1950-2010?


http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/19000.html

Anyone non-white, to be sure.

Currently 88.4% of Iowa is white. 5% is latino and foreign borns are 4%. That's a grand total of 9%, at most (given crossover). So unless you felt the need to say all of those non-white folks are dragging the rest of Iowa down, your laughable attempt to make me seem like someone who has a issue with non-americans ruining the Iowa Education System is chuckleworthy. Especially considering I figured, maybe it was a lack of "pass everyone who wander into this door.".
 
2012-11-27 01:24:25 AM

The Gentleman Caller: All you East and West coasters better stay away from Iowa. You WILL be assaulted with polite conversation and extreme friendliness, then ruthlessly invited to a good home cooked dinner. And who would want that?


I'm guessing that depends on what part of Iowa you're in. We stopped at a motel in I think Davenport after we couldn't drive any farther that night. It was supposed to be a non-smoking room but clearly people ignored that. Next morning the breakfast place we stopped at served the nastiest buffet I've seen in a long time. It was all meat and cheese and grease, and some kind of pizza oddly. They also had a toy train running around the ceiling too which was odd. The few people we talked to were nice enough, but I certainly didn't get 'hospitality' vibes from them. The car had Ohio plates too, so it wasn't like we were marked for East Coast death...

/corn
//corn and wind turbines
///as far as the eye can see
 
2012-11-27 01:25:53 AM

Ed Willy: [www.theus50.com image 320x320] 

You commit it to a quarter, you better back it up


Actually, Iowa originally wanted to go with Grant Wood's "American Gothic," but The Art Institute in Chicago, which owns the painting, threatened to sue the state, so Iowa turned pussy and backed off, going with this design. Most legal scholars have said the state would have most likely prevailed in court.

fark The Art Institute
 
2012-11-27 01:29:55 AM

AppleOptionEsc: Omahawg: what the heck am I deflecting from? what demographics changed in Iowa from 1950-2010?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/19000.html

Anyone non-white, to be sure.

Currently 88.4% of Iowa is white. 5% is latino and foreign borns are 4%. That's a grand total of 9%, at most (given crossover). So unless you felt the need to say all of those non-white folks are dragging the rest of Iowa down, your laughable attempt to make me seem like someone who has a issue with non-americans ruining the Iowa Education System is chuckleworthy. Especially considering I figured, maybe it was a lack of "pass everyone who wander into this door.".


uh, no, what I said was that that was what dropped the statewide literacy down a couple points (which, as I also said, must mean proficiency in English and not count Spanish.). You decided to go all racist whargarbl on that. Frankly, I'd be happy as a clam if even more third-world refugees moved here even if the literacy rate dropped down to 90%. Most of them seem good people and, as I also said, by second generation they'll all be proficient in English anyway. So what's your real beef, sparky?
 
2012-11-27 01:31:59 AM

The Gentleman Caller: All you East and West coasters better stay away from Iowa. You WILL be assaulted with polite conversation and extreme friendliness, then ruthlessly invited to a good home cooked dinner. And who would want that?


do I smell Snickerdoodles? Do you mind if I bring a degenerate with me? A priest perhaps? How about I open the door to the 21st century?

Sorry it started out funny and then went sideways on me. Happens
 
2012-11-27 01:35:37 AM

ladyfortuna: The Gentleman Caller: All you East and West coasters better stay away from Iowa. You WILL be assaulted with polite conversation and extreme friendliness, then ruthlessly invited to a good home cooked dinner. And who would want that?

I'm guessing that depends on what part of Iowa you're in. We stopped at a motel in I think Davenport after we couldn't drive any farther that night. It was supposed to be a non-smoking room but clearly people ignored that. Next morning the breakfast place we stopped at served the nastiest buffet I've seen in a long time. It was all meat and cheese and grease, and some kind of pizza oddly. They also had a toy train running around the ceiling too which was odd. The few people we talked to were nice enough, but I certainly didn't get 'hospitality' vibes from them. The car had Ohio plates too, so it wasn't like we were marked for East Coast death...

/corn
//corn and wind turbines
///as far as the eye can see

Good thing Malachi didn;t introduce you to He Who Walks Behind the Rows
 
2012-11-27 01:37:30 AM

Omahawg: uh, no, what I said was that that was what dropped the statewide literacy down a couple points (which, as I also said, must mean proficiency in English and not count Spanish.). You decided to go all racist whargarbl on that. Frankly, I'd be happy as a clam if even more third-world refugees moved here even if the literacy rate dropped down to 90%. Most of them seem good people and, as I also said, by second generation they'll all be proficient in English anyway. So what's your real beef, sparky?


But not mentioning, or at least acknowledging, that schools have always been happy to pad their numbers by having people who should have failed pass (to keep their jobs, funding, or both) you have saddled Iowa's lack of a perfect score only on non-native residents. With national standards of tests, it's much harder to have stoner Timmy just slide on by and never see him again in remedial class.
 
2012-11-27 01:37:30 AM
Link
Appropriate George Carlin clip

/DNRTFA
 
2012-11-27 01:42:33 AM
Obviously the smarter kids should have a fraction of their gpa taken away and it should be redistributed to the less smart kids. We shouldn't have this gap between those who have and have not.

Grade redistribution to allow all students to pass. I see no other way.
You can't just let someone fail....
 
2012-11-27 01:47:13 AM

Curious: Spartacus Outlaw: Took a long time, and I still feel inadequate,

i am 70, mother's oft repeated "you could do better" was not the encouragement she seemed to think it was. nor was her use of "and this is my son, he will be going back to college soon" a good intro to the new neighbor.

i did go back but never graduated, even with an AA. stopped 5 units short. long term i've had a good life and some personal successes but as you can see the early crap sticks.

for the little it may be worth i am proud of you for your doctorate. more than many of us did that had supporting families.


Thank you. And yes, the early crap really does stick. I'll never forget my dad telling me, when I was 13, that I had thick thighs, and that I would never be married because of that.
But it began much younger.
My best to you.
 
2012-11-27 01:48:13 AM

AppleOptionEsc: Omahawg: uh, no, what I said was that that was what dropped the statewide literacy down a couple points (which, as I also said, must mean proficiency in English and not count Spanish.). You decided to go all racist whargarbl on that. Frankly, I'd be happy as a clam if even more third-world refugees moved here even if the literacy rate dropped down to 90%. Most of them seem good people and, as I also said, by second generation they'll all be proficient in English anyway. So what's your real beef, sparky?

But not mentioning, or at least acknowledging, that schools have always been happy to pad their numbers by having people who should have failed pass (to keep their jobs, funding, or both) you have saddled Iowa's lack of a perfect score only on non-native residents. With national standards of tests, it's much harder to have stoner Timmy just slide on by and never see him again in remedial class.


so what in the flying fark does that have to do with the state's literacy level? not the same thing, is it? stoned timmy can still probably write and understand "Smells like poop to me" but a recent immigrant from Sudan might have a problem with that.

I've been out of high school two decades now but at least then there were a half dozen people in our ginormous class of 120 who didn't graduate 'cause they farked off the credits and no, they weren't just shuffled along. they just decided to fark it off.

and why the hell ain't we teaching our kids two or three languages from elementary on anyway?
 
2012-11-27 01:57:14 AM

Spartacus Outlaw: untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.

Maybe your English grades were inflated?
Anyway, there are plenty of kids whose parents don't care about their grades, because they (the parents) did poorly at school and no-one cared about them either. Or else, parents just get worn out and sick of it all. I was number 4 of 5 kids, and my parents had given up on caring by the time I was in school. No-one ever told me post-secondary school was something I could do. I always thought it was for a special class. I was pointed towards service jobs. I dropped out of high school when both parents ended up in other countries.
Took a long time, and I still feel inadequate, but I can put Dr. in front of my name now.
I rarely do, though.


Good job man!

....chucks shoulder

///no snark
 
2012-11-27 02:03:14 AM

ArcadianRefugee: reklamfox: Good for them. In VA we still use standardized tests to rate our teachers effectiveness and they will pass anybody in order to keep their funding. Seriously, I walked across the stage with kids who could barely read and write at an elementary school level. It's insulting to the kids who worked hard and did well in school. At least this state seems to get that you cant reach every kid. Some of them are simply empty headed slack-jawed yokels who don't give a shiat about their education, and the school shouldn't be punished for that. I never thought I would say this, but good for Iowa.

/end rant

Insulting? Really? "I got an education! All that kid got was a diploma! But somehow I'm the one who's insulted."


Oh, c'mon, you're being disingenuous or you're a moron. If you seriously don't recognize that awarding credentials to everyone regardless of achievement diminishes the accomplishment of those who actually achieved and the value of the credential you're one of the 12%.
 
2012-11-27 02:11:02 AM

Omahawg: what the heck am I deflecting from? what demographics changed in Iowa from 1950-2010?


He's backed himself into a corner now and will only lash out if confronted. Just back away and let him scurry along.
 
2012-11-27 02:13:56 AM
Because living in Iowa sucks so bad, going to school is more fun than anything you can do outside.....shucking corn, shoveling driveways......
 
2012-11-27 02:33:25 AM

garkola: Teachers hate it because, well, it's flawed. But for all its faults, it's started a ball rolling that the unions can't stop: that schools need to be held accountable for their lack of performance.


Teachers hate it because it empowers state legislatures and schoolboards/administrators to game the hell out of the system for federal cash, and to crack the whip on the teachers to produce good test-takers and only good test-takers via restrictions on lesson planning and curricula rather than actually educate. All while providing a ready-made justification to axe funding for arts and humanities, and other secondary programs like home economics and agriculture, within schools.

And, for the fact that instead of providing money to improve education across the board, it provides a ready-made system for vouchers and transfers for kids whose parents can afford it, leaving the ones whose parents can't afford it (or just don't care) still up shiat creek. Is it any wonder de facto racial segregation in public schools has skyrocketed since the passage of NCLB?

Does the country need uniform educational standards on the federal level? Absolutely. NCLB completely, egregiously failed in that regard, by leaving the standards for developing and issuing standardized tests to each state...then pegging federal money receipt to those standardized test results, incentivizing state legislatures to reduce standardized tests to the lowest-common denominator, and schoolboards to pressure teachers into doing nothing but standardized test prep in return.

Blame the politicians and the administrators, not the educators.
 
2012-11-27 02:35:58 AM

Spartacus Outlaw: untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.

Maybe your English grades were inflated?
Anyway, there are plenty of kids whose parents don't care about their grades, because they (the parents) did poorly at school and no-one cared about them either. Or else, parents just get worn out and sick of it all. I was number 4 of 5 kids, and my parents had given up on caring by the time I was in school. No-one ever told me post-secondary school was something I could do. I always thought it was for a special class. I was pointed towards service jobs. I dropped out of high school when both parents ended up in other countries.
Took a long time, and I still feel inadequate, but I can put Dr. in front of my name now.
I rarely do, though.


Oh man, I wondered what you'd been up to. Good to know you're still alive. How's Ed Lover doing?

img.skitch.com
 
2012-11-27 02:37:22 AM

thomps: mongbiohazard: untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.


I know, right? That's a LOT of kids the system is failing. More than 1 in 10 isn't even graduating high school in our BEST state? That's not something we should be bragging about, that should be a farking wakeup call.

given the normal distribution of intelligence and other mitigating factors that might preclude a kid from graduating high school, what would you recommend as a reasonable graduation rate?


110%

/public school graduate
 
2012-11-27 02:57:19 AM
Permanent blue state in one generation.
 
2012-11-27 02:58:18 AM
In 2003 my graduating class of 48 in New London IA gave diplomas to two nice young men who couldn't read. They had been shuffled through special education courses from middle school on up. I moved to Portland OR the next year and haven't kept up with them so who knows where they are now. This statistic means exactly dick.
 
2012-11-27 03:04:39 AM

notatrollorami:

Insulting? Really? "I got an education! All that kid got was a diploma! But somehow I'm the one who's insulted."

Oh, c'mon, you're being disingenuous or you're a moron. If you seriously don't recognize that awarding credentials to everyone regardless of achievement diminishes the accomplishment of those who actually achieved and the value of the credential you're one of the 12%.


Realizing it, and being insulted by it, are two very different things.
 
2012-11-27 03:05:59 AM

untaken_name: thomps: mongbiohazard: untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.


I know, right? That's a LOT of kids the system is failing. More than 1 in 10 isn't even graduating high school in our BEST state? That's not something we should be bragging about, that should be a farking wakeup call.

given the normal distribution of intelligence and other mitigating factors that might preclude a kid from graduating high school, what would you recommend as a reasonable graduation rate?

110%

/public school graduate


Due to the lack of difficulty (currently) of the minimal high school work load, the graduation rate should be 95%. (Minus the students that are for whatever reason deficient in falculties to graduate. Congenital brain disease, physical brain injury, tumors, etc...). The question should be what percentage of people are capable of literacy? 95%? The that is the goal. Anything less is failure. Anyone that is capable of being literate, but is not should do ANYTHING it takes to become literate (without commiting a violent crime). Literacy is the heritage and key to the success of humanity. If slaves (in the american south) were willing to risk punishment for literacy, then we should be willing to achieve it. (Forgive my poor literacy)
 
2012-11-27 03:13:20 AM

The Gentleman Caller: All you East and West coasters better stay away from Iowa. You WILL be assaulted with polite conversation and extreme friendliness, then ruthlessly invited to a good home cooked dinner. And who would want that?


Then they would mock you after they .left because they percieve anyone not in a firm Blue state to be developmentally disabled.
 
2012-11-27 03:16:55 AM

I sound fat: they percieve anyone not in a firm Blue state to be developmentally disabled.


Big words in defense of a state that keeps electing Steve King.
 
2012-11-27 03:18:22 AM

washburn777: In 2003 my graduating class of 48 in New London IA gave diplomas to two nice young men who couldn't read. They had been shuffled through special education courses from middle school on up. I moved to Portland OR the next year and haven't kept up with them so who knows where they are now. This statistic means exactly dick.


yeah, cause now where but New London, IA has anyone EVER faked their way through high school with functional illiteracy.
 
2012-11-27 03:25:10 AM

reklamfox: Good for them. In VA we still use standardized tests to rate our teachers effectiveness and they will pass anybody in order to keep their funding. Seriously, I walked across the stage with kids who could barely read and write at an elementary school level. It's insulting to the kids who worked hard and did well in school. At least this state seems to get that you cant reach every kid. Some of them are simply empty headed slack-jawed yokels who don't give a shiat about their education, and the school shouldn't be punished for that. I never thought I would say this, but good for Iowa.

/end rant


You sound like such a kind and understanding person! No, wait, let me guess...you feel the need to inflate your self worth by being a snotty brat?

I'm all for learning and education, but there are probably a good chunk of kids who should do better but don't because they have an unfair home situation or weren't born with reklamfox's astounding intellect.
 
2012-11-27 03:36:11 AM

I sound fat: The Gentleman Caller: All you East and West coasters better stay away from Iowa. You WILL be assaulted with polite conversation and extreme friendliness, then ruthlessly invited to a good home cooked dinner. And who would want that?

Then they would mock you after they .left because they percieve anyone not in a firm Blue state to be developmentally disabled.


I've lived 99% of my life in NY (western, NYC can fall into the sea as far as I'm concerned), and I don't feel that way for the most part. I've made many friends online who live in the midwest and somewhat south (NC/SC, GA, FL, LA, friends who moved to TX). I acknowledge there are many intelligent people outside the NE/east coast area.

There are however also a lot of bible-thumping neo-con midwest conservatives who refuse to even consider another way of belief. My aunt and uncle, nice as they are, are among their number. They visited Japan... and visited/photographed ONLY Christian churches in the entire country. Their photo albums made me very angry that they pretty much ignored the rest of the local culture except for two pictures of an ancestral shrine and one picture of a mechanical crab mounted on a store-front. Seemed like a huge waste of airfare just to cater to their own pre-conceived notions.
 
2012-11-27 04:03:20 AM
Man, a lot of jealousy and buthurt from the public education students in the North East and West Coast.
 
2012-11-27 04:49:03 AM
How else are they supposed to escape Iowa?
 
2012-11-27 05:13:53 AM

garkola: The only important line in the article is this one:

"The 2010-11 academic year marked the first time all 50 states used a uniform, more rigorous standard to measure how many students graduated"

This is most likely one of the legacies of the much-maligned No Child Left Behind act. One of the things it tried to do is standardize...everything...across the states. Heck, before NCLB there was no standard way of measuring anything across the various educational systems.

Teachers hate it because, well, it's flawed. But for all its faults, it's started a ball rolling that the unions can't stop: that schools need to be held accountable for their lack of performance.

You'd think that was something that a school would be doing by default. You'd be wrong...at least for public schools.


But here's the thing, home life plays far too big of a role in the lives of children to equate success or failure in the classroom with teaching ability. I've been in a classroom as a presenter where half the kids seemed to suffer from heavy metal poisoning. No big surprise because they were eating fresh fruits and vegetables grown at home... in yards that archaologists can't dig in without hazmat licensing and protection.

After I moved to a small town with award-winning schools I quickly learned that they were award-winning by talking subpar students into dropping out. It depended on one's family of course; the progeny of the right families would get all the help they needed, while those from the wrong families would be ignored. And this wasn't teacher dependent. The administration decided who would get the recommended help and who wouldn't.

And of couese teachers often literally can't spend time with helping kids. They have to keep to approved lesson plans drawn up before the school year begins that account for every ten minute block of time every day, with specific education standards tied to every block.

That is what I, as an outsider, see. Anyone who wants to be a teacher today should receive mandatory therapy and guidance to a different career path. A teacher is maybe 30% responsible for the outcomes of their students. The rest of it is outside their hands-- diet and nutrition, pollution and disease exposure, an enriched learning environment at home, an actual permanent home rather than chronic displacement and homelessness, dedicated study space at home, whether they get beaten for studying, etc. But society wants to put 100% of the blame on the teachers.
 
2012-11-27 05:42:23 AM

C18H27NO3: nmrsnr: It's easy, just mail everyone who turns 18 a diploma, whether they deserve it or not.

Similar to what I was going to suggest was happening. How many are graduating and actually deserve to graduate? Are 12% just that stupid that there is no way in hell they could auto-pass them without being called on it?

I like to believe that the percentages are on the up and up, though. Shame the pass rate isn't higher but Iowa seems to be doing something right that a LOT of other districts in the nation should take notice of. (I'm looking at you, nation's capital).
Of course there's the argument that you can't teach kids that don't want to be taught, etc. but maybe we need more incentive or something.
I don't know.


It's all in the raw materials. GIGO.
 
2012-11-27 05:47:32 AM

I sound fat: The Gentleman Caller: All you East and West coasters better stay away from Iowa. You WILL be assaulted with polite conversation and extreme friendliness, then ruthlessly invited to a good home cooked dinner. And who would want that?

Then they would mock you after they .left because they percieve anyone not in a firm Blue state to be developmentally disabled.


Well mocking them directly would be downright rude.
 
2012-11-27 05:55:14 AM

clyph: garkola: schools need to be held accountable for their lack of performance.

The overwhelmingly biggest contributor to student success is parental involvement, something teachers have exactly jack shiat control over.

If a student isn't performing, more often than not it's because the parent(s) aren't taking an active role in that child's education.


THIS. I got my ass whipped bloody if I brought home an A-. Yes, I went to college on a scholarship.
 
2012-11-27 06:02:59 AM

Kevin72: Glass cautioned, however, that  students with special needs, low incomes and those who are non-native English speakers perform at lower academic levels than others in the state.

Really, Iowa? For real? You mean to say that non-native English speakers perform at lower academic levels and might lower the statistics? Just wondering.
Love,
California


That's because we don't teach them English. When I was in the 3rd grade (1968) a kid fresh off the boat from China was put in our class. Couldn't speak one word of English and was just dumped into the class. By the end of the school year, she spoke passable English and by the end of the next year she spoke perfect English. Now, we gradually introduce them to the language, and they never pick it up.
 
2012-11-27 06:27:29 AM
www.theus50.com

Ed Willy: [www.theus50.com image 320x320] 

You commit it to a quarter, you better back it up


Hmm, I guess quarters also explain the educational failures in other states. 

/aisle seat please
 
2012-11-27 06:34:51 AM

that bosnian sniper: I sound fat: they percieve anyone not in a firm Blue state to be developmentally disabled.

Big words in defense of a state that keeps electing Steve King.


And, less than 3 minutes later, my point is made.
 
2012-11-27 06:46:05 AM

I sound fat: that bosnian sniper: I sound fat: they percieve anyone not in a firm Blue state to be developmentally disabled.

Big words in defense of a state that keeps electing Steve King.

And, less than 3 minutes later, my point is made.


What if I just like Pet Sematery? Is that so wrong?
 
2012-11-27 07:10:06 AM
Heh. I"m a high school teacher in Iowa. We are definitely sending graduates out there who can't do basic things like read and write, and (just as sad/frightening to me) who don't seem to be worried that they can't read or write.

School districts bend over backwards to do everything to make sure our kids "graduate," including allowing them to make up credits with classes that are a total joke. My administrators are so focused on getting those kids at the bottom to pass, that we basically ignore the kids who could be curing cancer or designing the next iPod or whatever.

As someone upthread said, graduation does not equal education and that is painfully true. I shudder to think of the girl who barely scraped by in a super easy high school science class who is now teaching in our elementary. The cycle of mediocre/just good enough will continue.
 
2012-11-27 07:20:02 AM
i graduated high school in eastern iowa, so i'm getting a kick, etc...

/the 12 percent must be from council bluffs.
 
2012-11-27 07:27:46 AM

that bosnian sniper: Big words in defense of a state with a district that keeps electing Steve King.


FTFY. Although now I want to see the graduation rates broken down by congressional district...
 
2012-11-27 08:48:05 AM
We're #49! We're #49!

/NM: 63% graduates
/in some school districts: ~50%
 
2012-11-27 09:05:34 AM

BradleyUffner: notatrollorami:

Insulting? Really? "I got an education! All that kid got was a diploma! But somehow I'm the one who's insulted."

Oh, c'mon, you're being disingenuous or you're a moron. If you seriously don't recognize that awarding credentials to everyone regardless of achievement diminishes the accomplishment of those who actually achieved and the value of the credential you're one of the 12%.

Realizing it, and being insulted by it, are two very different things.


For those students that actually struggle and strive to graduate it is absolutely an insult. It negates their effort on a personal level and makes their diploma meaningless for employment. The idea that everyone should be equally rewarded regardless of ability or effort is for tee ball, not an education system.
 
2012-11-27 09:10:59 AM

AppleOptionEsc: Omahawg: AcneVulgaris: I wonder what the literacy rate is.

it was 99% for years and years until the increased immigration from mexico and sudan the past two decades knocked it down some. I don't think it will take too long to get back up there though. I figure they must judge literacy as solely proficiency in english though as I assume most mexicans can write spanish.

besides, there's not much to do in iowa but read, fark, and smoke dope anyway

i also garden

Yes, it was TOTALLY those damn furriners. Not, I dunno, people wondering how the fark you get 99% of people to do the same thing? All I hear is "wah wah, someone called Iowa on it's bullshiat!".


Hey, Wisconsin would have totally beat them if not for the influx of ghetto trash from Chicago over the years.

So it's not just foreigners.
 
2012-11-27 09:25:27 AM

Rufus Lee King: Marcintosh: Sorry it started out funny

No, I don't think it did.


I see. What is the pay scale for the arbiter of humor these days?
 
2012-11-27 10:36:45 AM

ladyfortuna: snip The car had Ohio plates too, so it wasn't like we were marked for East Coast death...

/corn
//corn and wind turbines
///as far as the eye can see


Most interesting... I work here in Davenport and granted I don't get out much, I can't think of anyplace with a breakfast buffet, though the railroad thing sounds like Happy Joes, a usually pretty good pizza place. Those MidEast plates though prolly didn't help you though. all that turmoil and such.
 
2012-11-27 11:37:53 AM

DrPainMD: Kevin72: Glass cautioned, however, that  students with special needs, low incomes and those who are non-native English speakers perform at lower academic levels than others in the state.

Really, Iowa? For real? You mean to say that non-native English speakers perform at lower academic levels and might lower the statistics? Just wondering.
Love,
California

That's because we don't teach them English. When I was in the 3rd grade (1968) a kid fresh off the boat from China was put in our class. Couldn't speak one word of English and was just dumped into the class. By the end of the school year, she spoke passable English and by the end of the next year she spoke perfect English. Now, we gradually introduce them to the language, and they never pick it up.


Dear 1968,
California1968=Iowa2012 but not equal Cal2012. One student won't change the statistic. But Cal2012 has whole classes like that one student. Who by the way came as an 8 year old. Not as a teenager which is way different in terms of language acquisition. Iowa is still 88% white like in your 1968. California is not.
Love,
2012.
 
2012-11-27 12:24:13 PM
All I got ...

www.cameronhanover.com
 
2012-11-27 12:30:36 PM
www.sabotagetimes.com

But it's a 58%, it's only two points. I was close.

There is no close in science, there is right and wrong. Next time apply yourself. And dont bullshiat and bullshiatter.
 
2012-11-27 12:38:18 PM

The Gentleman Caller: All you East and West coasters better stay away from Iowa. You WILL be assaulted with polite conversation and extreme friendliness, then ruthlessly invited to a good home cooked dinner. And who would want that?


And marriage equality and one of the finest creative writing programs in the country.
 
2012-11-27 12:55:30 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: I sound fat: that bosnian sniper: I sound fat: they percieve anyone not in a firm Blue state to be developmentally disabled.

Big words in defense of a state that keeps electing Steve King.

And, less than 3 minutes later, my point is made.

What if I just like Pet Sematery? Is that so wrong?


As someone who has lived in Iowa all their lives.... I DON"T FREAKING KNOW HOW HE KEEPS GETTING REELECTED!! My only thought on the matter is that while he is a asshat, he is a *consistent* asshat. Honesty like that will get you quite a ways in Iowa, even if your ideas/ideals are outside of what could be considered polite. I don't doubt his integrity, just his sanity.

He's also likely here to stay. If Christie Villsack, wife of a well liked ex-governor, can'f bump him after his district being redrawn (due to Iowa losing house seats) to include the second largest liberal chunk in the state (Ames), then nothing is going to dislodge him.
 
2012-11-27 01:20:05 PM

ladyfortuna: the nastiest buffet I've seen in a long time. It was all meat and cheese and grease, and some kind of pizza oddly. They also had a toy train running around the ceiling too which was odd.


Ah. You were at Happy Joe's Pizza, I betcha.
 
2012-11-27 01:23:22 PM

AppleOptionEsc: schools have always been happy to pad their numbers by having people who should have failed pass (to keep their jobs, funding, or both)


Not in the Iowa school where I grew up. If you didn't meet proficiency levels for your grade, you were held back. I remember one student who flunked into my grade -- and flunked out of it, too.
 
2012-11-27 02:01:05 PM

mongbiohazard: thomps: mongbiohazard: untaken_name: Gotta love that phrasing: ONLY failing 12%....
How about ONLY passing 88%? I would have gotten disowned for bringing home a grade that poor.


I know, right? That's a LOT of kids the system is failing. More than 1 in 10 isn't even graduating high school in our BEST state? That's not something we should be bragging about, that should be a farking wakeup call.

given the normal distribution of intelligence and other mitigating factors that might preclude a kid from graduating high school, what would you recommend as a reasonable graduation rate?


Better than what it is now. We're getting crushed by other first world nations.


That's a myth created by demographics, because many Western nations have homogenous populations.

Compare scores *within* races, across countries, and US is still on top.
 
2012-11-27 03:48:21 PM
That's because Iowa only has a 6% black population. It has it's perks.
 
2012-11-27 03:58:57 PM

sprd: That's because Iowa only has a 6% black population. It has it's perks.


That should get some bites.
 
2012-11-27 04:22:43 PM
My girlfriend teaches high school in Iowa. This is chiefly a result of "no child left behind". She fails students that never show up to class at all and an administrator will go back in the books to mark them with a passing grade so they don't lose funding. I'm not surprised by how good the numbers look on the surface.
 
2012-11-27 05:28:23 PM

mongbiohazard: I know, right? That's a LOT of kids the system is failing. More than 1 in 10 isn't even graduating high school in our BEST state? That's not something we should be bragging about, that should be a farking wakeup call.


The world needs ditch diggers.

And ditch digging doesn't need a high school diploma.

I'm not trying to be a biatch here. It is the truth.
 
2012-11-27 06:37:46 PM

honk: ladyfortuna: the nastiest buffet I've seen in a long time. It was all meat and cheese and grease, and some kind of pizza oddly. They also had a toy train running around the ceiling too which was odd.

Ah. You were at Happy Joe's Pizza, I betcha.


That sounds right. I blocked the name out of my memory. I think what happened was we were getting a *late* breakfast and it was the only place not already on the lunch menu or something. I really don't remember the details well since it was in the middle of four solid days of (mostly me) driving back from Seattle.
 
2012-11-28 12:24:18 AM

FlashHarry: i graduated high school in eastern iowa, so i'm getting a kick, etc...

/the 12 percent must be from council bluffs.


Yeah, I know, right? We should just give the western third of the state to Nebraska, and take Congressman King with them.

/living in overachieving eastern Iowa school district
 
2012-11-28 10:59:42 AM

sprd: That's because Iowa only has a 6% black population. It has it's perks.


Ill bite on it.

Only a few months back by the courthouse in Des Moines I saw a black teen wearing a t-shirt reading "Yes, there are black people in Iowa." .
 
2012-11-28 09:46:05 PM

that bosnian sniper: Big words in defense of a state that keeps electing Steve King.


I have apologized several times for Steve King.

Molavian: Hey, Wisconsin would have totally beat them if not for the influx of ghetto trash from Chicago over the years.

So it's not just foreigners.


You dont think Iowa gets some of those Chicagoans?
 
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