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(Guardian)   Golf's two governing bodies (the USGA and the Royal & Ancient) set to ban long or "belly" putters. Tanya Donnelly unavailable for comment   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 63
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2012-11-26 08:22:20 PM  
Wow. Nice obscure reference, smitty.

Hold on while I feed the trees.
 
2012-11-26 08:26:23 PM  
+1 to Subby for a Tanya Donnelly reference! God, I was in love with her back in the 90's. The last I heard she wasn't doing music full time anymore and instead was acting as some kind of natural midwife for couples in LA, or something like that.

Still, like the fist of an angry God:

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2012-11-26 09:14:32 PM  
That slow dog won't hunt.
 
2012-11-26 10:22:16 PM  
I really couldn't care less about how professional golfers putt from the rough, but I must extend my thanks to subby for inducing the image searches for Tanya Donnely.
 
2012-11-26 11:18:14 PM  
Take your hat ofd, submitter, when you're talking to me.
 
2012-11-27 12:07:28 AM  
Smart guy. Made a fortune in physics.

Boom!
 
2012-11-27 12:08:48 AM  
This is actually a big farking deal, and I'm glad to see the 'Guardians of the Game' grow a backbone.

I really thought they'd lay down on this, due to industry pressure.

I'll still use the 50 incher for practice. It's a good way to learn to be still over the ball.
 
rka
2012-11-27 12:26:54 AM  
I personally don't care if the duffer I get paired with on a Saturday is using a belly putter or a hockey stick, as long as he keeps up and plays a ready pace of golf. Your local men's league, meh, make whatever local rules you want. Most are already foot wedging it, playing winter rules 365 days a year and conceding any putt inside the leather anyways. If you think you're in some super-serious scratch league...again, do whatever you want. Make a rule, publish it and move on.

But the pros and top amateurs? They should be ashamed to even consider using belly or anchored putters.
 
2012-11-27 12:31:54 AM  

rka: I personally don't care if the duffer I get paired with on a Saturday is using a belly putter or a hockey stick, as long as he keeps up and plays a ready pace of golf. Your local men's league, meh, make whatever local rules you want. Most are already foot wedging it, playing winter rules 365 days a year and conceding any putt inside the leather anyways. If you think you're in some super-serious scratch league...again, do whatever you want. Make a rule, publish it and move on.

But the pros and top amateurs? They should be ashamed to even consider using belly or anchored putters.


Don't count that, I was interfered with.
 
2012-11-27 12:45:34 AM  
Good. They're farking stupid and anyone who uses one should have it bent over their heads. Putt like a big boy.
 
2012-11-27 12:47:10 AM  

The Smails Kid: rka: I personally don't care if the duffer I get paired with on a Saturday is using a belly putter or a hockey stick, as long as he keeps up and plays a ready pace of golf. Your local men's league, meh, make whatever local rules you want. Most are already foot wedging it, playing winter rules 365 days a year and conceding any putt inside the leather anyways. If you think you're in some super-serious scratch league...again, do whatever you want. Make a rule, publish it and move on.

But the pros and top amateurs? They should be ashamed to even consider using belly or anchored putters.

Don't count that, I was interfered with.


Pretty sure that was ground under repair anyways.
 
2012-11-27 12:49:59 AM  
that would be like the NBA outlawing Granny Style free throws!
 
2012-11-27 01:11:38 AM  
I prefer Throwing Muses Tanya to Belly Tanya

/they're both good though
 
2012-11-27 01:36:43 AM  
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I'd putt 'er.
 
2012-11-27 01:39:44 AM  

rka: I personally don't care if the duffer I get paired with on a Saturday is using a belly putter or a hockey stick, as long as he keeps up and plays a ready pace of golf. Your local men's league, meh, make whatever local rules you want. Most are already foot wedging it, playing winter rules 365 days a year and conceding any putt inside the leather anyways. If you think you're in some super-serious scratch league...again, do whatever you want. Make a rule, publish it and move on.


I don't really know of any leagues that would allow foot wedges, and most of the leagues around here disallow winter rules "fluffing" of the ball. Conceding putts is more of an individual/team decision; most of the guys in my league concede within the leather as a matter of courtesy and to speed up play. But we're just a laid-back 9-hole beer league. Pros with belly putters are silly.
 
2012-11-27 01:41:49 AM  
The only governing bodies of golf are Paula Creamer and Lorena Ochoa's butt.
 
2012-11-27 02:18:33 AM  
Musta read that headline eight times before I realized it was a Belly reference. Loved that band. Still in the rotation.

Don't give a shiat about golf.
 
2012-11-27 02:50:35 AM  
Any word on the use of phone-based GPS units in competitions?
 
2012-11-27 02:58:21 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Any word on the use of phone-based GPS units in competitions?


I thought that was already out as of the first of the year? Rangefinders are OK, GPS only is OK, but no phone apps?
 
2012-11-27 03:05:24 AM  

MFAWG: HaywoodJablonski: Any word on the use of phone-based GPS units in competitions?

I thought that was already out as of the first of the year? Rangefinders are OK, GPS only is OK, but no phone apps?


I'm in the UK, where phone apps are already banned. I think it's bullshiat, and am waiting on them to reverse their decision
 
2012-11-27 04:43:51 AM  
I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, I really don't like them and think any pro worth his or her salt should be using a conventional putter; on the other hand, there has always been innovation in golf, and these putters are only an example of it. The difference being, these putters seem to work.
 
2012-11-27 04:45:27 AM  
I don't understand why they want to outlaw them. If there was a clear cut advantage every touring pro would be using them but they're not. You see a few more on the senior and Nationwide tour but even then I think the majority use some sort of traditional putter. Maybe they should go back to persimmon woods and blade putters while they're at it.

/uses a regular length putter
//imallet
 
2012-11-27 04:46:15 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: Good. They're farking stupid and anyone who uses one should have it bent over their heads. Putt like a big boy.


You mean, miss a three footer then throw the putter across three fairways and knock some guy's teeth out?
 
2012-11-27 04:47:55 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: MFAWG: HaywoodJablonski: Any word on the use of phone-based GPS units in competitions?

I thought that was already out as of the first of the year? Rangefinders are OK, GPS only is OK, but no phone apps?

I'm in the UK, where phone apps are already banned. I think it's bullshiat, and am waiting on them to reverse their decision


It is bullshait. I guess they think everybody should be buying the yardage booklet in the clubhouse for $10
 
2012-11-27 04:51:22 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: Good. They're farking stupid and anyone who uses one should have it bent over their heads. Putt like a big boy.


Why? Because you don't like them? Who give a shait. There's a shait load of equipment out there that is outlawed because the USGA/PGA want nothing more than to protect their precious farking par. Fark that. If a guy can get an extra 5~10 yards out of a driver or different ball, let 'em play.
 
2012-11-27 06:21:34 AM  

relaxitsjustme: HaywoodJablonski: MFAWG: HaywoodJablonski: Any word on the use of phone-based GPS units in competitions?

I thought that was already out as of the first of the year? Rangefinders are OK, GPS only is OK, but no phone apps?

I'm in the UK, where phone apps are already banned. I think it's bullshiat, and am waiting on them to reverse their decision

It is bullshait. I guess they think everybody should be buying the yardage booklet in the clubhouse for $10


Yep. The R&A's argument centers around the fact that the device COULD be used as a compass and/or wind tracking device.

My counter-argument is that the rules of golf have a huge honor component (self-reporting on penalties, for instance). Apparently you can be trusted not to cheat in some situations, but not all.
 
2012-11-27 06:34:33 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: relaxitsjustme: HaywoodJablonski: MFAWG: HaywoodJablonski: Any word on the use of phone-based GPS units in competitions?

I thought that was already out as of the first of the year? Rangefinders are OK, GPS only is OK, but no phone apps?

I'm in the UK, where phone apps are already banned. I think it's bullshiat, and am waiting on them to reverse their decision

It is bullshait. I guess they think everybody should be buying the yardage booklet in the clubhouse for $10

Yep. The R&A's argument centers around the fact that the device COULD be used as a compass and/or wind tracking device.

My counter-argument is that the rules of golf have a huge honor component (self-reporting on penalties, for instance). Apparently you can be trusted not to cheat in some situations, but not all.


FYI, it's the same way in the U.S... the USGA has the exact same policy as the R&A for this. Keep in mind.. any GPS/Rangefinder device is only allowable under local rule.. you still won't be able to use them in most major competitions (ie, when i went for u.s. amateur qualifying last year, it was yardage book only etc).
 
2012-11-27 06:50:04 AM  
It will be interesting to see how they word this. More specifically, how they define "anchoring", and what the penalty is.

Is it a somewhat unnecessary rule? Probably, but so is the ban on putting croquet-style, and the arbitrary 14-club limit. Golfers will get over it.
 
2012-11-27 06:59:59 AM  

Gonz: It will be interesting to see how they word this. More specifically, how they define "anchoring", and what the penalty is.

Is it a somewhat unnecessary rule? Probably, but so is the ban on putting croquet-style, and the arbitrary 14-club limit. Golfers will get over it.


What's your problem with the 14 club limit? Sure, I'd love to carry 4 wedges and an extra hybrid or two, but I like how you have to gameplan according to course conditions
 
2012-11-27 07:18:45 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: What's your problem with the 14 club limit? Sure, I'd love to carry 4 wedges and an extra hybrid or two, but I like how you have to gameplan according to course conditions


I personally have zero issue with the 14 club rule. I'm just saying, when it was implemented, it was because guys were carrying like 30 clubs in their bag.

Lawson Little's HOF Bio Dude was carrying 7 wedges as part of his 26 club set. Stuff goes towards one extreme, the R&A and USGA yank it back, and golfers adapt. It's just part of the game.
 
2012-11-27 07:33:35 AM  
She's cut but I haven't the slightest idea who she is.
 
2012-11-27 07:59:15 AM  
Can we ban the idiots that play 6 hour rounds? Seeing professionals inspect the wind, the line, the grain, the lie, and half a different shot types has infected golf everywhere.

We have nitwits shooting 90 that need to look at a putt from six different directions and sit in their cart while their partner hits a shot because, god forbid, they be forced to walk 10 feet and hit their shot without looking at the cart's GPS.

Do it again and I'll be hitting the green on a par 3 or going for the green on the next par 5 before you get to the fringe cause I'm tired of watching you plumb bob a four footer.
 
2012-11-27 08:01:33 AM  
Also, you're 270 out with a downhill, side hill lie...you aren't Tiger and you aren't getting it on the green. Lay up to 100 yards and go duff your wedge. Stop waiting for the green to clear.

Putters...I don't like anchoring. It changes the "normal" golf swing.
 
2012-11-27 08:10:58 AM  
when i was living in Boston/Cambridge i once ran in to Tanya and her kid at a Starbucks.

/csb
 
2012-11-27 08:20:53 AM  

bulldg4life: Can we ban the idiots that play 6 hour rounds? Seeing professionals inspect the wind, the line, the grain, the lie, and half a different shot types has infected golf everywhere.



no shiat. i play speed golf. when you're on teh green, that's when I'll defer to whose "away" but geting there? If you see your ball, you hit. only once that i can recall did a "purist" object but he got overruled by the rest of us. there's no reason you need 4-5 hours to play 18.

to be clear, i'm not saying you play as fast as possible. I'll walk up, measure the shot, take a few practice swings, step off if i need to, etc., but the notion of just sitting on your ass when someone else hits, and then start your swing routine, "what's my swing thought?" etc,. fark that noise. I cna't stand playing behind slow ass players that think 18 at the local track in June is Augusta on Easter Sunday.


oh, and Submitter!

/never really cared for Belly. she's cute though
 
2012-11-27 08:31:09 AM  

rickythepenguin: bulldg4life: Can we ban the idiots that play 6 hour rounds? Seeing professionals inspect the wind, the line, the grain, the lie, and half a different shot types has infected golf everywhere.


no shiat. i play speed golf. when you're on teh green, that's when I'll defer to whose "away" but geting there? If you see your ball, you hit. only once that i can recall did a "purist" object but he got overruled by the rest of us. there's no reason you need 4-5 hours to play 18.

to be clear, i'm not saying you play as fast as possible. I'll walk up, measure the shot, take a few practice swings, step off if i need to, etc., but the notion of just sitting on your ass when someone else hits, and then start your swing routine, "what's my swing thought?" etc,. fark that noise. I cna't stand playing behind slow ass players that think 18 at the local track in June is Augusta on Easter Sunday.


That's called ready golf. The punishment for not playing ready golf should be forced rectal insertion of a Big Bertha.

I think this is a good ruling. Changing the definition of the swing to prevent anchoring is the way to go -- the companies that produce long putters can still manufacture and sell them, and amateurs can still buy and use them. But, if you want to play competitive golf, you're going to have to putt like everyone else has for the last 400 years.
 
2012-11-27 08:44:06 AM  

relaxitsjustme: I don't understand why they want to outlaw them. If there was a clear cut advantage every touring pro would be using them but they're not. You see a few more on the senior and Nationwide tour but even then I think the majority use some sort of traditional putter. Maybe they should go back to persimmon woods and blade putters while they're at it.

/uses a regular length putter
//imallet


the same thing was said about overside tennis racquets back in the 70/80's and now everyone uses them and tennis has never been the same. it is only about power
 
2012-11-27 08:50:01 AM  

Waldo Pepper: relaxitsjustme: I don't understand why they want to outlaw them. If there was a clear cut advantage every touring pro would be using them but they're not. You see a few more on the senior and Nationwide tour but even then I think the majority use some sort of traditional putter. Maybe they should go back to persimmon woods and blade putters while they're at it.
/uses a regular length putter
//imallet
the same thing was said about overside tennis racquets back in the 70/80's and now everyone uses them and tennis has never been the same. it is only about power


I wouldn't mind seeing a golf tournament where they went back to 1970s tech. It'd be fun to see.

Of course, they'd have to knock 500+ yards off the green and slow the greens down a whole shiatload. And, they'd probably have to keep two dozen replacement clubs available for everyone, cause a 115+ mph swing speed is going to obliterate clubs eventually.
 
2012-11-27 09:12:47 AM  

relaxitsjustme: HaywoodJablonski: MFAWG: HaywoodJablonski: Any word on the use of phone-based GPS units in competitions?

I thought that was already out as of the first of the year? Rangefinders are OK, GPS only is OK, but no phone apps?

I'm in the UK, where phone apps are already banned. I think it's bullshiat, and am waiting on them to reverse their decision

It is bullshait. I guess they think everybody should be buying the yardage booklet in the clubhouse for $10


Or you could take the position that being able to judge distance by eye is a key skill of the game. It's really not that hard. I'm very rarely more than 5 yards off what a range finder will say, even on an unfamiliar course.
 
2012-11-27 09:30:05 AM  

relaxitsjustme: I don't understand why they want to outlaw them. If there was a clear cut advantage every touring pro would be using them but they're not. You see a few more on the senior and Nationwide tour but even then I think the majority use some sort of traditional putter. Maybe they should go back to persimmon woods and blade putters while they're at it.

/uses a regular length putter
//imallet


It doesn't matter whether or not it's a cure-all for all players. The guys who make the rules view anchoring as counter to the principles of the game. It's the same reason there's a limit on clubhead size and COI. Better ballstrikers don't need enormous clubs to perform, but poorer players can use technology as a substitute for skill and compete with better ballstrikers. Same goes for simplified putting equipment and techniques.

Some guys are just already about as good as you can realistically get at putting because of all the factors involved, and switching to anchoring will not make them better the same way it makes poorer putters better.
 
2012-11-27 09:52:41 AM  
So now my putter and irons are non-conforming.

Time for a new set.
 
2012-11-27 10:04:50 AM  

Broktun: So now my putter and irons are non-conforming.

Time for a new set.


And your wedges, most likely.
 
2012-11-27 10:06:40 AM  

Broktun: So now my putter and irons are non-conforming.



they did some kind of weird 20 year grace period / grandfathering for square grooves as i recall.....i think the USGA (not sure how R&A handled it) also said amateurs could still use the banned grooves but all USGA sanctioned events (i.e., pros) could not.

I'm not positive on how USGA handled the grooves situation but I do somewhat recall them splitting the baby, between amateur and pro players. and also a lllllong grace / phaseout period.
 
2012-11-27 10:16:21 AM  

Broktun: So now my putter and irons are non-conforming.


Why is that? How often are you playing in high-end amateur or professional tournaments?

And, if you ARE playing in those tournaments, then I'm assuming you have purchased clubs in the past couple years (because your previous set would get worn down) and they would be conforming to the groove changes anyway.
 
2012-11-27 10:24:50 AM  

bulldg4life: Broktun: So now my putter and irons are non-conforming.

Why is that? How often are you playing in high-end amateur or professional tournaments?

And, if you ARE playing in those tournaments, then I'm assuming you have purchased clubs in the past couple years (because your previous set would get worn down) and they would be conforming to the groove changes anyway.


You can spot the unmarried guys a mile away.
 
2012-11-27 10:26:07 AM  

Gonz: Broktun: So now my putter and irons are non-conforming.

Time for a new set.

And your wedges, most likely.


Same goes for your fairway woods.

/and your bag
//and shoes
///set my friend up here with the whole schmear. You know, clubs, bags, shoes, gloves, shirt, pants.
 
2012-11-27 10:27:54 AM  
The Smails Kid:
///set my friend up here with the whole schmear. You know, clubs, bags, shoes, gloves, shirt, pants.

This thread is...like...your destiny.
 
2012-11-27 10:39:34 AM  
Spalding, this call for the old Bily Beroo............

'uuuuuuhhh, Billy Billy Billy....this is a big one......'
 
2012-11-27 10:55:11 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Your Average Witty Fark User: Good. They're farking stupid and anyone who uses one should have it bent over their heads. Putt like a big boy.

You mean, miss a three footer then throw the putter across three fairways and knock some guy's teeth out?




It slipped.
 
2012-11-27 11:36:16 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Your Average Witty Fark User: Good. They're farking stupid and anyone who uses one should have it bent over their heads. Putt like a big boy.

You mean, miss a three footer then throw the putter across three fairways and knock some guy's teeth out?



It slipped.


It's my fault, really. I could put some Stickum on there for you.
 
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