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(Top Gear)   While we're waiting for them to get back to it, the boys at Top Gear have been having some fun out on the track... with the Tumbler from Batman   (topgear.com) divider line 49
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2012-11-26 05:47:50 PM  
That just looks amazingly fun...

Probably not a valid replacement for the c'd though.
 
2012-11-26 06:11:22 PM  
FTA: "We had this state of the art camera arm mounted on the top of a Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG," Corbould recalls, "and they struggled to keep up with the Batmobile on the set of Batman Begins. We were very proud of that." Quite. That ML55 churned out 347bhp from a 5.5-litre V8.

Bollocks. Earlier in the article it says the Tumbler has a 5.7l Chevy V8, producing 400bhp.

They also mention how shiat the handling is.

There's no way that it would show up an AMG Merc.
 
2012-11-26 06:12:05 PM  
Uh, </i>.
 
2012-11-26 06:32:08 PM  

iron de havilland: FTA: "We had this state of the art camera arm mounted on the top of a Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG," Corbould recalls, "and they struggled to keep up with the Batmobile on the set of Batman Begins. We were very proud of that." Quite. That ML55 churned out 347bhp from a 5.5-litre V8.

Bollocks. Earlier in the article it says the Tumbler has a 5.7l Chevy V8, producing 400bhp.

They also mention how shiat the handling is.

There's no way that it would show up an AMG Merc.


It's possible, but not likely. The Tumbler doesn't have the emissions or safety requirements the Merc has, and it is also most likely geared for low end torque v/s top end, so it could be pretty quick... even with the massive unsprung weight of those wheel/tire combinations.

It's also basically a steel frame wrapped in carbon fiber, so I would *guess* that it weighs considerably less than a kitted out Merc.
 
2012-11-26 06:35:49 PM  
Nevermind. It weighs 2.5 tonnes.
 
2012-11-26 09:01:52 PM  
I hate those guys I hate them with the burning intensity of a thousand suns!!
 
2012-11-26 09:13:47 PM  
I don't really follow Batman, I mean not since Adam West gave it up when I was a kid, but I am disappointed there wasn't a turbine in this thing.
 
2012-11-26 10:32:09 PM  

iron de havilland: FTA: "We had this state of the art camera arm mounted on the top of a Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG," Corbould recalls, "and they struggled to keep up with the Batmobile on the set of Batman Begins. We were very proud of that." Quite. That ML55 churned out 347bhp from a 5.5-litre V8.

Bollocks. Earlier in the article it says the Tumbler has a 5.7l Chevy V8, producing 400bhp.

They also mention how shiat the handling is.

There's no way that it would show up an AMG Merc.


A) you sure the car from Begins and the one they play with have the same specs?

B) if you have to put 'from Batman' in the headline, this doesn't belong on the Geek tab.
 
2012-11-26 10:37:39 PM  

AdrienVeidt: iron de havilland: FTA: "We had this state of the art camera arm mounted on the top of a Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG," Corbould recalls, "and they struggled to keep up with the Batmobile on the set of Batman Begins. We were very proud of that." Quite. That ML55 churned out 347bhp from a 5.5-litre V8.

Bollocks. Earlier in the article it says the Tumbler has a 5.7l Chevy V8, producing 400bhp.

They also mention how shiat the handling is.

There's no way that it would show up an AMG Merc.

A) you sure the car from Begins and the one they play with have the same specs?

B) if you have to put 'from Batman' in the headline, this doesn't belong on the Geek tab.


I submitted it to Entertainment, the modmins split the billing.
 
2012-11-26 10:51:59 PM  

iron de havilland: FTA: "We had this state of the art camera arm mounted on the top of a Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG," Corbould recalls, "and they struggled to keep up with the Batmobile on the set of Batman Begins. We were very proud of that." Quite. That ML55 churned out 347bhp from a 5.5-litre V8.

Bollocks. Earlier in the article it says the Tumbler has a 5.7l Chevy V8, producing 400bhp.

They also mention how shiat the handling is.

There's no way that it would show up an AMG Merc.


As has been mentioned, it's all in how it's geared, though I will admit there could be just a hint of exaggeration (from Hollywood, no way). Mind you the Tumbler does have a massive contact patch, so I doubt there would be any wheelspin, unless done so intentionally (hehe, I just got a chub thinking about the cloud made by someone roasting the tires in the tumbler).

Case in point, I had a 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5; with just a 1.8L Turbo 4-cyl; and off the line I could beat a modern Corvette; of course by the time I hit around 100 that same 'Vette was about a quarter mile ahead of me. Using a bluetooth OBDII scanner and Torque Pro I think my best 0-60 was around 4.4; however I could hit 60 in just second gear (though I was thoroughly in the red at around 7K rpm doing so), which certainly helped.

TL;DR - All depends on gearing and a hundred other factors. It was likely meant that they were pleasantly surprised at how quick off the line the tumbler was, and I'm doubtful he meant it had a fast top end.
 
2012-11-26 10:52:26 PM  
Well I'm completely disappointed there is no video or a time for it completing the track.
 
2012-11-26 11:04:03 PM  

Shan: iron de havilland: FTA: "We had this state of the art camera arm mounted on the top of a Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG," Corbould recalls, "and they struggled to keep up with the Batmobile on the set of Batman Begins. We were very proud of that." Quite. That ML55 churned out 347bhp from a 5.5-litre V8.

Bollocks. Earlier in the article it says the Tumbler has a 5.7l Chevy V8, producing 400bhp.

They also mention how shiat the handling is.

There's no way that it would show up an AMG Merc.

As has been mentioned, it's all in how it's geared, though I will admit there could be just a hint of exaggeration (from Hollywood, no way). Mind you the Tumbler does have a massive contact patch, so I doubt there would be any wheelspin, unless done so intentionally (hehe, I just got a chub thinking about the cloud made by someone roasting the tires in the tumbler).

Case in point, I had a 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5; with just a 1.8L Turbo 4-cyl; and off the line I could beat a modern Corvette; of course by the time I hit around 100 that same 'Vette was about a quarter mile ahead of me. Using a bluetooth OBDII scanner and Torque Pro I think my best 0-60 was around 4.4; however I could hit 60 in just second gear (though I was thoroughly in the red at around 7K rpm doing so), which certainly helped.

TL;DR - All depends on gearing and a hundred other factors. It was likely meant that they were pleasantly surprised at how quick off the line the tumbler was, and I'm doubtful he meant it had a fast top end.


I used to own an STi and that thing was a demon off the line. Anything that was a no joke car I would start to get passed around the time I was red lining 2nd gear. That thing just hopped across intersections.

Having a license plate that read "v8kilr" probably lead to me getting challenged multiple times a week.
 
2012-11-26 11:08:18 PM  

Shan:

Case in point, I had a 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5; with just a 1.8L Turbo 4-cyl; and off the line I could beat a modern Corvette; of course by the time I hit around 100 that same 'Vette was about a quarter mile ahead of me. Using a bluetooth OBDII scanner and Torque Pro I think my best 0-60 was around 4.4; however I could hit 60 in just second gear (though I was thoroughly in the red at around 7K rpm doing so), which certainly helped.


On the opposite end of the spectrum, my old 1993 Saab 9000 Aero had a completely bland 0-60 time, but:

The Aero's in-gear acceleration was strongly emphasised; the Aero was capable of accelerating from 80 to 121 km/h (50 to 75 mph) faster than a Porsche Carrera 4 or a Ferrari Testarossa. (pasta from Wiki). I wasn't roasting people off the line, but that sure came in handy for overtaking on 2-lane highways and accelerating on a short on-ramp into fast traffic.
 
2012-11-26 11:10:12 PM  
I'm dead positive the power of the vehicle was lied about

having a custom built rig and ONLY getting 400 out of a tweaked 6 liter is a bad joke at best. they probably reported the stock value so as to avoid having to pay the crown jewels in fuel charges...


if it has lights its road legal and pays surcharges in england

/betting around 508hp pedal down and humping, that plus a top speed of only about 95kph... lol
 
2012-11-26 11:19:00 PM  
Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?
 
2012-11-26 11:20:58 PM  
So the STIG is actually Bruce Wayne?
 
2012-11-26 11:30:44 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: The Aero's in-gear acceleration was strongly emphasised; the Aero was capable of accelerating from 80 to 121 km/h (50 to 75 mph) faster than a Porsche Carrera 4 or a Ferrari Testarossa. (pasta from Wiki). I wasn't roasting people off the line, but that sure came in handy for overtaking on 2-lane highways and accelerating on a short on-ramp into fast traffic.


Sometimes car manufacturers forget the bulk of the need for acceleration in the US happens on an on-ramp, and then again in a passing lane. My wife has an old BMW Z3 which is decent off the line and absolutely fantastic accelerating from 70-100 mph, exactly where you don't need it. From 35-70, it bogs down in 3rd at the low end and starts tapping out early when the RPMs get high. Start in 2nd for power and you need to shift to 3rd while getting on the highway, but once you're on you need to get to 4th for balance, then eventually 5th when you're cruising.

I have a G35x sedan with AWD and it doesn't tear off the line, but it runs the 35-70 jump in 3rd along the best section of the torque curve, which means the power doesn't feel like it drops off until you're well over 70 mph. And 4th is geared exactly right for what I'd call "passing acceleration" - between 65 and 90 it's very responsive. 5th, like most end gears, is mainly a glorified overdrive.
 
2012-11-26 11:35:47 PM  

wingnut396: Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?


I think there's only UK, US, and Aussie Top Gear.

TGUS really isn't that bad. It'll never be the original, but it's solid entertainment. It really could be worse.

/MORE POWER!
//You utter pillock...
///OLIVER!
 
2012-11-26 11:36:43 PM  

FiendishFellow05: wingnut396: Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?

I think there's only UK, US, and Aussie Top Gear.

TGUS really isn't that bad. It'll never be the original, but it's solid entertainment. It really could be worse.

/MORE POWER!
//You utter pillock...
///OLIVER!


The US one sucks. They had one episode about what's the best minivan for crossing the Rockies FFS.
 
2012-11-26 11:38:22 PM  

unicron702: The US one sucks. They had one episode about what's the best minivan for crossing the Rockies FFS.


And that's more ridiculous than taking scooters across Vietnam?

/likes both
 
2012-11-26 11:41:37 PM  

unicron702: FiendishFellow05: wingnut396: Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?

I think there's only UK, US, and Aussie Top Gear.

TGUS really isn't that bad. It'll never be the original, but it's solid entertainment. It really could be worse.

/MORE POWER!
//You utter pillock...
///OLIVER!

The US one sucks. They had one episode about what's the best minivan for crossing the Rockies FFS.


I think I saw that one......I think. Admittedly, I haven't watched much since late in the first season. But for what it is, it didn't seem terrible. But the fact that they can make that entertaining is impressive, if nothing else. Plus, the endless ribbing they give Rutledge is great.

I've seen snippets of TGOZ. It actually seemed worse than TGUS.
 
2012-11-26 11:52:49 PM  

FiendishFellow05: I haven't watched much since late in the first season.


Well they made a good move since they only have 40 minutes and ditched all the celebrity and studio stuff and went with a formal of a challenge for the first 30/35 minutes with the winner or losers doing a test or race.
 
2012-11-26 11:54:29 PM  

There's no way that it would show up an AMG Merc.

Reminds me of another mighty sports car that showed up on Top Gear:

http://youtu.be/OxMxFE37Sxw

There's a quote from a motor magazine that reviewed the same car:
0 to 60 time is not impressive at 7.9 seconds. But 0 to 200 mph leaves many family saloons standing.
 
2012-11-26 11:55:45 PM  

12349876: unicron702: The US one sucks. They had one episode about what's the best minivan for crossing the Rockies FFS.

And that's more ridiculous than taking scooters across Vietnam?

/likes both


I drove a rented minivan over a mountain in Utah in a misguided attempt to reach Sundance "the back way" in the middle of February. I really would like to see that episode, since it's the first time I've had to stop a car because whatever little road there was, I ran off it, and we had to use a jack to lift one side of the car and push it over the jack to get it back on the road.

For the record, a Chrysler Town and Country with five adults handles pretty damn poorly on ice. Then again, I don't imagine any minivan does.
 
2012-11-27 12:05:50 AM  

FiendishFellow05: unicron702: FiendishFellow05: wingnut396: Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?

I think there's only UK, US, and Aussie Top Gear.

TGUS really isn't that bad. It'll never be the original, but it's solid entertainment. It really could be worse.

/MORE POWER!
//You utter pillock...
///OLIVER!

The US one sucks. They had one episode about what's the best minivan for crossing the Rockies FFS.

I think I saw that one......I think. Admittedly, I haven't watched much since late in the first season. But for what it is, it didn't seem terrible. But the fact that they can make that entertaining is impressive, if nothing else. Plus, the endless ribbing they give Rutledge is great.

I've seen snippets of TGOZ. It actually seemed worse than TGUS.


I thought they had a German one too, or did at one point. Seems that the UK guys raced them in one of those double stacked car deals.

The minivan episode was not bad, I'll hand them that. Taking the rental cars across Moab was meh, and the end was forced and stupid. At least Tanner can truly drive. The three being idiots and hacking on each other is to be expected. The setups and challenges can be fun (event if recycled). But all together, it just seems too artificial and forced.

I think what it comes down for me are two big problems. First, it is shorter, so some of banter in the news and the star in a car is missed. The second is that it just seems too forced. The jokes on each other are always the same. The 'challenges' seem to be more rigged the UK one. I've not doubt it is generally scripted, but it just seems to be more obvious in the US version. Perhaps I get thrown off by the Brit accents, or the UK presenters are just that much better. It just leaves me with the feeling that I watched a community theater version of a play after seeing the same one on Broadway the week before.
 
2012-11-27 12:09:25 AM  

wingnut396: First, it is shorter, so some of banter in the news and the star in a car is missed.


But it's better than when they were trying to cram 1 hour of material into 40 minutes like they were in the first season.
 
2012-11-27 12:12:55 AM  

12349876: unicron702: The US one sucks. They had one episode about what's the best minivan for crossing the Rockies FFS.

And that's more ridiculous than taking scooters across Vietnam?

/likes both


No, but I like in infinitely more when it's them testing cars I could never afford and getting stupid with them. I also saw an episode of the US version where they were racing in the Los Angeles basin and saw a homeless naked guy bathing in sewage water, that was different.
 
2012-11-27 01:18:41 AM  

FiendishFellow05: unicron702: FiendishFellow05: wingnut396: Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?

I think there's only UK, US, and Aussie Top Gear.

TGUS really isn't that bad. It'll never be the original, but it's solid entertainment. It really could be worse.

/MORE POWER!
//You utter pillock...
///OLIVER!

The US one sucks. They had one episode about what's the best minivan for crossing the Rockies FFS.

I think I saw that one......I think. Admittedly, I haven't watched much since late in the first season. But for what it is, it didn't seem terrible. But the fact that they can make that entertaining is impressive, if nothing else. Plus, the endless ribbing they give Rutledge is great.

I've seen snippets of TGOZ. It actually seemed worse than TGUS.


Aussie topgear is dreadful.
 
2012-11-27 01:34:41 AM  
Some say his utility belt is made of testes... and that he recently burnt an effigy of Rubens Barrichello the Joker.

All we know is, he's THE GODDAMN BATMAN
 
2012-11-27 05:55:47 AM  

wingnut396: FiendishFellow05: unicron702: FiendishFellow05: wingnut396: Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?

I think there's only UK, US, and Aussie Top Gear.

TGUS really isn't that bad. It'll never be the original, but it's solid entertainment. It really could be worse.

/MORE POWER!
//You utter pillock...
///OLIVER!

The US one sucks. They had one episode about what's the best minivan for crossing the Rockies FFS.

I think I saw that one......I think. Admittedly, I haven't watched much since late in the first season. But for what it is, it didn't seem terrible. But the fact that they can make that entertaining is impressive, if nothing else. Plus, the endless ribbing they give Rutledge is great.

I've seen snippets of TGOZ. It actually seemed worse than TGUS.

I thought they had a German one too, or did at one point. Seems that the UK guys raced them in one of those double stacked car deals.

The minivan episode was not bad, I'll hand them that. Taking the rental cars across Moab was meh, and the end was forced and stupid. At least Tanner can truly drive. The three being idiots and hacking on each other is to be expected. The setups and challenges can be fun (event if recycled). But all together, it just seems too artificial and forced.

I think what it comes down for me are two big problems. First, it is shorter, so some of banter in the news and the star in a car is missed. The second is that it just seems too forced. The jokes on each other are always the same. The 'challenges' seem to be more rigged the UK one. I've not doubt it is generally scripted, but it just seems to be more obvious in the US version. Perhaps I get thrown off by the Brit accents, or the UK presenters are just that much better. It just leaves me with the feeling that I watched a community theater version of a play after seeing the same one on Broadway the week before.


Oh it is definitely forced. The one where Tanner drives the Corvette interceptor through the docks of Long Beach showed me it was completely rigged. I lived in the area in the 80s and it was definitely cut to make sure it was a close ending. When they cross the Vincent Thomas bridge they must have omitted that they had been south of it in Long Beach, crossed it into San Pedro, turned around and crossed back. It was blatant if you know the area.
I do like the US one but recognize it pales in comparison to the UK one. This was shown when they removed everything about Top Gear except for the challenges. The cast can't pull off the other parts of the show and they are trying to get the most viewers by sacrificing the rest.
 
2012-11-27 05:57:39 AM  
Oh, and when the hell is TGUK back on??? I am jonesing for it!
 
2012-11-27 06:01:07 AM  
no video.
 
2012-11-27 07:35:21 AM  
I want the Bat Pod with the spinning wheels

/oh, and the auto-flip feature for a quick "180"
 
2012-11-27 08:11:41 AM  
US top gear will always pale in comparison because they cannot give contemporary cars bad reviews on commercial television. That and nobody insults quite like the British.

But it's sill a decent show.
 
2012-11-27 09:56:09 AM  
The only truly funny moment on USTG is when someone hopped into Adam's cab and started giving him instructions.

The remainder of the show is horrible UKTG recycled bits.
 
2012-11-27 10:08:42 AM  
Beyond the clearly inferior hosts and less exciting challenges, what USTG lacks is that same sense that comes from the editing. TGUK has the best editing in the entire industry, TV, Cinema, anything visual. TGUS looks like it was cut by someone in high school by comparison.
 
2012-11-27 12:24:13 PM  

rikkards: Oh, and when the hell is TGUK back on??? I am jonesing for it!


The Christmas special and regular episodes resume in February.

Which is a very long wait
 
2012-11-27 02:47:32 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I hate those guys I hate them with the burning intensity of a thousand suns!!


haters gotta hate
graphics8.nytimes.com

does your burning hate come from envy of driving skills or is it a thin masking of a lusting for Jezza?
 
2012-11-27 02:53:59 PM  

rikkards: wingnut396: FiendishFellow05: unicron702: FiendishFellow05: wingnut396: Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?

I think there's only UK, US, and Aussie Top Gear.

TGUS really isn't that bad. It'll never be the original, but it's solid entertainment. It really could be worse.

/MORE POWER!
//You utter pillock...
///OLIVER!

The US one sucks. They had one episode about what's the best minivan for crossing the Rockies FFS.

I think I saw that one......I think. Admittedly, I haven't watched much since late in the first season. But for what it is, it didn't seem terrible. But the fact that they can make that entertaining is impressive, if nothing else. Plus, the endless ribbing they give Rutledge is great.

I've seen snippets of TGOZ. It actually seemed worse than TGUS.

I thought they had a German one too, or did at one point. Seems that the UK guys raced them in one of those double stacked car deals.

The minivan episode was not bad, I'll hand them that. Taking the rental cars across Moab was meh, and the end was forced and stupid. At least Tanner can truly drive. The three being idiots and hacking on each other is to be expected. The setups and challenges can be fun (event if recycled). But all together, it just seems too artificial and forced.

I think what it comes down for me are two big problems. First, it is shorter, so some of banter in the news and the star in a car is missed. The second is that it just seems too forced. The jokes on each other are always the same. The 'challenges' seem to be more rigged the UK one. I've not doubt it is generally scripted, but it just seems to be more obvious in the US version. Perhaps I get thrown off by the Brit accents, or the UK presenters are just that much better. It just leaves me with the feeling that I watched a community theater version of a play after seeing the same one on Broadway the week before.

Oh it is definitely forced. The one where Tanner drives the Corvette ...


sorry but the us top gear is just shiat. complete and total. from ripping off bit ideas (limo challenge)

to making something that could be interesting (testing dually trucks) into something just boring.

there is no chemistry between the guys, which is what makes the original so goddam good. my wife watches and she couldn't care less about cars, but the banter between the three is just so funny and good, it doesn't matter what the topic is.

btw: when is the new season ? kinda tired of watching a Jezza - less rehash shows.

/who will be new stig?
//these are important questions that people need to know
 
2012-11-27 04:25:50 PM  
Does it have ipod connectivity?
 
2012-11-27 04:35:48 PM  
The big question is; could the Stig take on Batman in a fight?

Also, they need to have Sabine Schmitz on at least once per season. Or maybe fire one of them and replace them with her.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-27 05:54:06 PM  

unicron702: Having a license plate that read "v8kilr" probably lead to me getting challenged multiple times a week.


You a Terp? There was a dude with a Grand National that had a similar tag when I went.

Of course, there's probably a Turbo something or other in every state with that tag...
 
2012-11-27 06:02:07 PM  

inner ted: does your burning hate come from envy of driving skills or is it a thin masking of a lusting for Jezza?


both
 
2012-11-27 07:28:53 PM  

inner ted: btw: when is the new season ? kinda tired of watching a Jezza - less rehash shows.


New season begins with the Christmas special...

which is in ... umm.. February.
 
2012-11-27 09:11:49 PM  
I love TGUK so much. I don't really care if the challenges are rigged, or if they drive cars that cost more than I make in 10 years....they just look like they're having such a fun time, and to me, that makes the show insanely enjoyable.

/that, and Richard Hammond is adorable
//favorite episode is the Botswana special
///OLIVERRRRRRRR
 
2012-11-28 10:10:28 AM  

Shadow Blasko: inner ted: btw: when is the new season ? kinda tired of watching a Jezza - less rehash shows.

New season begins with the Christmas special...

which is in ... umm.. February.


i'll just chalk that up to another funny quirk of the brits.

& since we are reminiscing: top few top gear moments when the fellows were all involved in a race of their crappy cars on a dirt track - at one point, while Jezza is racing away, Hammond gives him a bump. His reply? ok, not exact, but more or less "there is no fast or slow, there is only bashing Hammond"

:)
 
2012-11-28 11:40:55 AM  

FiendishFellow05: wingnut396: Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?

I think there's only UK, US, and Aussie Top Gear.

TGUS really isn't that bad. It'll never be the original, but it's solid entertainment. It really could be worse.

/MORE POWER!
//You utter pillock...
///OLIVER!


No more .RU TG?

I actually watched some of the early episodes with subtitles. The guys were nuts so I imagine a lot was lost in translation. Seemed fun, odd being Russia, but fun.
 
2012-11-28 02:11:58 PM  

mochunk: FiendishFellow05: wingnut396: Do the other county-centric Top Gears suck as much as the US Top Gear?


/MORE POWER!
//You utter pillock...
I think there's only UK, US, and Aussie Top Gear.

TGUS really isn't that bad. It'll never be the original, but it's solid entertainment. It really could be worse.
///OLIVER!

No more .RU TG?

I actually watched some of the early episodes with subtitles. The guys were nuts so I imagine a lot was lost in translation. Seemed fun, odd being Russia, but fun.


Did not know about the Russian version; it apparently only lasted one series, so TGUS has it beat already. ;-)

Also, someone mentioned the German show(D-Motor, I believe). I don't think they're directly related, just in the same niche.
 
2012-11-28 06:02:41 PM  

inner ted: i'll just chalk that up to another funny quirk of the brits.


It's because of Simon Cowells show... Seriously.
 
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