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(The Atlantic Wire)   The Associated Press decides made-up words are made-up, so don't look for the following in AP stories, "ethnic cleansing" , "homophobia,"' "Islamophobia and "undocumented immigrants"   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 30
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2012-11-26 08:43:22 PM  
7 votes:
Well, "undocumented immigrants" doesn't appear in the article (unless I missed it). But I have a problem with that, too. The right's use of "illegals" makes me cringe, as it is a clear attempt to dehumanize. The left's use of "undocumented immigrant" also bothers me, as they are more than undocumented, they are here illegally. Call them "illegal immigrants". It's what they are without connotation. Then fix the farking problem.
2012-11-26 10:46:44 PM  
3 votes:
By all means, let's argue about the words, and not focus on what's actually going on. It's a much better use of our time and energy.

Things have been so much better since we began calling those people with low IQs "developmentally challeneged" and not "retards", amirite? Think how much better off we'll be when we refer to those who irrationally hate homosexuals as "anti-gay" and not "homophobes".
2012-11-26 10:01:18 PM  
3 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, "undocumented immigrants" doesn't appear in the article (unless I missed it). But I have a problem with that, too. The right's use of "illegals" makes me cringe, as it is a clear attempt to dehumanize. The left's use of "undocumented immigrant" also bothers me, as they are more than undocumented, they are here illegally. Call them "illegal immigrants". It's what they are without connotation. Then fix the farking problem.


"Undocumented immigrants" is a bullshiat term because it implies the legality of the immigrant is simply a matter of paperwork, and it's not. If they were actually documented, most of them wouldn't be immigrants anymore, because they'd be deported. Why? Because they are here illegally.

That said, I'm an amnesty supporter.
2012-11-27 01:18:21 AM  
2 votes:

Kevin72: stiletto_the_wise: Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, "undocumented immigrants" doesn't appear in the article (unless I missed it). But I have a problem with that, too. The right's use of "illegals" makes me cringe, as it is a clear attempt to dehumanize. The left's use of "undocumented immigrant" also bothers me, as they are more than undocumented, they are here illegally. Call them "illegal immigrants". It's what they are without connotation. Then fix the farking problem.

The problem with the term "illegal immigrant" is that it implies the person's very existence is illegal. You're an illegal person. Which is not true. A more accurate term would emphasize that the person's past action was illegal, not the person himself. The person is undocumented, not illegal. His past action was illegal.

Except that every second that they exist in this country as a citizen of another country in this country they are illegal and breaking the law and living underground with fear of deportation lalalala. What you are saying is if I steal your wife's $10,000 diamond ring I'm only guilty at the moment of theft, not after I keep it or sell it.


The action was illegal, not the person. If I steal a computer from work, I'm a thief, not an "Illegal Employee".
2012-11-26 11:05:42 PM  
2 votes:
Homophobia is never used correctly anyway. These people hate gays... this isn't fear, it is hatred. I know it's fun to brand these bigoted sh*tbags as being afraid of gays, but when you do that, you fail at understanding the enemy. I believe some of the bigots are afraid, but I think most are filled with a (frequently religious) programmed hatred. So anti-gay is actually a better description.
2012-11-26 10:59:34 PM  
2 votes:
Good. "Homo" = same, "phobia" = fear. Thus "homophobia" = fear of sameness. That makes no damn sense, unless it's about some lady who was afraid someone else would show up at a party wearing the same dress as her. I look forward to seeing this meaningless term pass away into history.
2012-11-26 10:44:40 PM  
2 votes:

skinink: Those words are fine to use, irregardless of what the AP says.


Perfectly cromulent
2012-11-26 08:46:10 PM  
2 votes:
All words are made-up.


/the brain named itself
2012-11-27 06:19:22 PM  
1 votes:

ciberido: I wouldn't find it unacceptable at all. It isn't showing solidarity with "the movement" so much as solidarity with science.


Do you disagree with my assessment of the articles you linked to? If so, why? If not, why do you continue to insist that you have science on your side?

On the contrary, the "default" position now is that people opposed to equal rights for homosexuals (up to and including the right to marry each other) are homophobes,

In what sense is this the "default" position? I honestly do not understand what you mean by "default."

It is essentially the same...

On the contrary, it is entirely different. Anti-miscegenation laws concerned who was permitted to marry. The gay "marriage" debate concerns what marriage is.
2012-11-27 05:35:37 AM  
1 votes:
no one posted this yet? 

jpegy.com
2012-11-27 05:15:38 AM  
1 votes:

Kevin72: brantgoose: wall of words/ illegal aliens. My computer is gradually nds of ugly in a ten pound sack.

Usually I agree with you and while i would like to agree with you in principle that it would be nice to just let people of non-USA citizenship be USA workers. But you underestimate the magnitude of the phenomena. Like > 20,000,000 such non-citizens. Which I estimate to be like 2/3 of the entire population of Canada. Which besides causing problems in their own right it also gives the middle finger to real immigrants who are following the laws. Would Canada like to take in 20 million Republicans who say they want to flee this country because they hate the attractive and successful African-American in the white house and his soshulized medicine "Obamacare"?


Did I say 20 million? Just take in 1,000,000 Republicans who don't want to live in an Obamanation. There won't be any cries of racism, they're mostly white. There won't be any culture clash, because Americans are just like Canadians. They won't take away any Canadian jobs... they will just do the jobs Canadians don't want to do like landscaping and housekeeping and picking lettuce. Best of all, these disgruntled Republicans who only want to better their circumstances already speak English..... so you won't have to print out ballots and government papers in two languages, LOL!
2012-11-27 03:45:45 AM  
1 votes:

Surool: Kevin72: People hate Justin Bieber's "music"... does that mean they are afraid of it?

Who hates Justin Bieber's music? Not the 803,000,000 people that have watched his video on YouTube. Which is scary in that is 1 out of 9 of this planet's total humanity.

I shouldn't offend the Belieber in the thread.


Who's awesome?

userserve-ak.last.fm
YOU ARE!!!
2012-11-27 12:51:22 AM  
1 votes:

gweilo8888: Kevin72: gweilo8888: FTFA: "It's a term we certainly don't want to propgate," Minthorn added.

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More or less a simulpost with me within 6 seconds we were first and second to take on the propgate issue though through different tacks.

Indeed. Your tack: straight to the point.

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My tack: came from an odd direction, but it got there anyway.

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Great near-simulpost. :-)


LOL "straight to the point" tack. Yes, I was thinking of the sailing tack.
2012-11-27 12:47:55 AM  
1 votes:

gweilo8888: Kevin72: Who hates Justin Bieber's music? Not the 803,000,000 people that have watched his video on YouTube. Which is scary in that is 1 out of 9 of this planet's total humanity.

You do know the difference between a view, and a unique viewer, right?

Take out the half a million screaming prepubescent girls who've racked up a thousand views each, and there are rather less "fans" of the annoying idjit in the real world.


That makes it even scarier.... yes I know the difference.
2012-11-27 12:45:32 AM  
1 votes:

stiletto_the_wise: Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, "undocumented immigrants" doesn't appear in the article (unless I missed it). But I have a problem with that, too. The right's use of "illegals" makes me cringe, as it is a clear attempt to dehumanize. The left's use of "undocumented immigrant" also bothers me, as they are more than undocumented, they are here illegally. Call them "illegal immigrants". It's what they are without connotation. Then fix the farking problem.

The problem with the term "illegal immigrant" is that it implies the person's very existence is illegal. You're an illegal person. Which is not true. A more accurate term would emphasize that the person's past action was illegal, not the person himself. The person is undocumented, not illegal. His past action was illegal.


Except that every second that they exist in this country as a citizen of another country in this country they are illegal and breaking the law and living underground with fear of deportation lalalala. What you are saying is if I steal your wife's $10,000 diamond ring I'm only guilty at the moment of theft, not after I keep it or sell it.
2012-11-27 12:41:17 AM  
1 votes:

Kevin72: Who hates Justin Bieber's music? Not the 803,000,000 people that have watched his video on YouTube. Which is scary in that is 1 out of 9 of this planet's total humanity.


You do know the difference between a view, and a unique viewer, right?

Take out the half a million screaming prepubescent girls who've racked up a thousand views each, and there are rather less "fans" of the annoying idjit in the real world.
2012-11-27 12:30:56 AM  
1 votes:

Surool: BarkingUnicorn: Surool: Homophobia is never used correctly anyway. These people hate gays... this isn't fear, it is hatred. I know it's fun to brand these bigoted sh*tbags as being afraid of gays, but when you do that, you fail at understanding the enemy. I believe some of the bigots are afraid, but I think most are filled with a (frequently religious) programmed hatred. So anti-gay is actually a better description.

I don't think you understand the relationship between fear and hatred.

I don't think you do. You are the person I am talking about. Yes, people hate things they fear... but you aren't taking into account people who hate hate gays because they think they are immoral. These things are separate and distinctly viewpoints.

People hate Justin Bieber's "music"... does that mean they are afraid of it?


Who hates Justin Bieber's music? Not the 803,000,000 people that have watched his video on YouTube. Which is scary in that is 1 out of 9 of this planet's total humanity.
2012-11-27 12:20:23 AM  
1 votes:

gweilo8888: FTFA: "It's a term we certainly don't want to propgate," Minthorn added.

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More or less a simulpost with me within 6 seconds we were first and second to take on the propgate issue though through different tacks.
2012-11-27 12:19:40 AM  
1 votes:

xmasbaby: I would have suggested the "HERO" tag for this. Now, if all our news organizations did this...


The Hero word is overused today. I think of a Hero as someone who put their life at risk to save someone else.
Winning a football game doesn't make a person a Hero, it just demeans the word.
2012-11-27 12:01:48 AM  
1 votes:

I sound fat: Giant pet peeve here. When people start trying to define what IS a word and what ISNT a word, those people cease having any credibility.

(inlcuding your fourth grade teacher telling you "aint aint a word", because frankly, it is)

If both the person speaking and the intended audience knows the meaning of a word, and that meaning is successfully conveyed by using it, then the word is, in fact, a word. You dont get to be smarter because you know what words are "official".

You just get to come off as a pompous ass.


Eye no, write?
2012-11-26 11:58:17 PM  
1 votes:

Fista-Phobia: What about Katrina "refugees" and rape "accusers"?


I can't stand it when everyone is referred to as a "survivor." A Katrina survivor or a rape survivor. This makes me think that 1000 were killed, and only 15 made it. You might have died in Katrina, but probably not. And most people survive being raped.

We're all survivors of one thing or another, until we aren't.
2012-11-26 11:22:48 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: non-imm


What I thought of is that not everyone who's in the country illegally is here with the purpose of immigrating - moving here permanently. They may be temporary workers, who come in and out of the country when they can, working temporary jobs.
2012-11-26 11:10:53 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: Smackledorfer: Illegal immigrant rules out illegal non-immigrants

Now I'm curious: what is an illegal non-immigrant? Someone who lost their citizenship?


Someone with a warrant out for their arrest?
2012-11-26 11:09:39 PM  
1 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, "undocumented immigrants" doesn't appear in the article (unless I missed it). But I have a problem with that, too. The right's use of "illegals" makes me cringe, as it is a clear attempt to dehumanize. The left's use of "undocumented immigrant" also bothers me, as they are more than undocumented, they are here illegally. Call them "illegal immigrants". It's what they are without connotation. Then fix the farking problem.


How about "unauthorized immigrants"
2012-11-26 10:54:00 PM  
1 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, "undocumented immigrants" doesn't appear in the article (unless I missed it). But I have a problem with that, too. The right's use of "illegals" makes me cringe, as it is a clear attempt to dehumanize. The left's use of "undocumented immigrant" also bothers me, as they are more than undocumented, they are here illegally. Call them "illegal immigrants". It's what they are without connotation. Then fix the farking problem.


Im liberal, vote democrat for the most part, and would be fine with open borders.

There is nothing wrong with the term illegal alien. Illegal immigrant rules out illegal non-immigrants and is too specific. Illegal for short is fine and doesn't bother me.
2012-11-26 10:53:14 PM  
1 votes:
Homophobia suggests fear. My own experiences with those that would be called Homophobes aren't afraid of gays or catching the ghey, it's an unwarranted and irrational sense of revulsion combined with the pathological need to be able to try and hurt those "beneath" them. I think psychopath is probably a better term for a homophobe.

not the same as a homophone, either, which is what firefox spell check is telling me to use.
2012-11-26 10:50:18 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-11-26 09:57:17 PM  
1 votes:
We are all embiggened by their example.
2012-11-26 09:55:48 PM  
1 votes:
This could be a good thing.

I think they are mostly right to stop using medical/psychological words to label behaviors when they are not doctors or psychologists. I wonder what they will replace "ethnic cleansing" with, or what they would now call "enhanced interrogation techniques".

Ethnic cleansing seems to describe something more than "pretty violent activities" and also something that can be much less than a genocide.
2012-11-26 08:56:21 PM  
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: All words are made-up.


/the brain named itself


My brain would have called the brain "head kidney."
 
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