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2012-11-26 05:42:14 PM  
6 votes:
Want to know how incredibly unpopular the Republican party is... They cheated and they still couldn't win.

I don't expect them to learn the right lesson here... I suspect they will choose "cheat more" over "earn the trust of the voters".
2012-11-26 05:20:35 PM  
6 votes:

MrBallou: How is this not illegal?

Ambivalence: How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.


Dunno. It might make for an interesting circus to indict all the Florida legislators who voted for those laws, alleging that they were engaged in a conspiracy to oppress the free exercise of the franchise per 18 USC § 241. I don't think it would survive trial, much less the resulting appeals, but it would make for spectacular political theater.
2012-11-26 11:35:47 PM  
4 votes:

badhatharry: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

That means the election is to be held on the same Day thoughout the US.


Yes, the Day on which they [the Electors] shall give their Votes must be the same throughout the United States. It is: Dec 17th.
2012-11-26 06:15:29 PM  
4 votes:
In other news, Republican "fiscal responsibility" is a paper-thin veneer over a policy of cutting taxes for the wealthy to zero (at which point they would actually start refunding money), eliminating all regulations that hinders wealthy campaign contributors from making more money, increasing regulations (SOPA) that help wealthy campaign contributors make more money, constantly increasing "defense" spending that results in fat, no-bid contracts for wealthy campaign contributors, and demonizing anyone who actually works for a living as a useless slacker welfare queen who should either start scrubbing toilets and paying 33% income tax on $8 an hour, or else hurry up and starve.
2012-11-26 04:50:20 PM  
4 votes:
It's time to cut our losses. 

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2012-11-26 04:43:26 PM  
4 votes:
My only surprise is that they'd admit it
2012-11-26 07:52:50 PM  
3 votes:
Charlie Crist has nothing to lose at this point by dishing on the stuff that the rest of the GOP tried to get him to do. His days were numbered ever since he was a decent enough human being to recognize that as governor of all Floridians, not just Republicans, extending early voting in 2008 was the right thing to do. He's bringing it up now to draw a line in the sand for when he inevitably makes another run for governor in 2014. Only question is whether he switches over to the Dems between now and then or runs as an independent.
2012-11-26 07:49:51 PM  
3 votes:

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."


Neither is the Republican Party, so by your "logic" maybe we should outlaw the GOP.
2012-11-26 07:40:53 PM  
3 votes:

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.


Maybe you should read the article again. It's all about Republican officials purposely being inefficient. I guess the solution is to vote the buggers out of office.
2012-11-26 07:37:58 PM  
3 votes:

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.


Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.
2012-11-26 06:54:43 PM  
3 votes:

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


Is there something about early voting that prevents Republicans from doing it?
2012-11-26 06:05:27 PM  
3 votes:
Of course it was. Even the Fark Conservative brigade knows this to be the case. You guys can stop pretending that you are concerned with voter fraud now. The cat's out of the bag.
2012-11-26 05:57:03 PM  
3 votes:
A GOP consultant who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retribution said black voters were a concern. "I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that's a big day when the black churches organize themselves," he said.

But don't you dare call them racists!
2012-11-26 05:54:17 PM  
3 votes:
I wonder how many of these "anti-fraud" voter obstruction laws might have hurt the GOP based on the law of averages. How many Republican voters saw the long lines and decided to just go home since according to unskewed polls, a Romney win was certain?
2012-11-26 10:50:03 PM  
2 votes:
Okay, single model of voting machine. Electronic, AND a paper ballot that the voter sees before the ballot is cast. Anything amiss and that ballot, both paper and electronic, are invalidated. Expand the FEC and grant them the power to set up secure networks in all fifty states and territories. They also develop the software for the machine under the supervision of the DOJ and the FBI. Any laws about voter ID shall not be enforced until Federal courts have ruled on it. Oh, and any attempt at voter suppresion or vote rigging shall be construed as Sedition. Comments?
2012-11-26 09:27:14 PM  
2 votes:

coeyagi: Yes, but proving intent is the trick. Some hearsay from some GOP operatives might not do it. You'd have to prove that those who drafted the bill had that intent.


"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done." - Mike Turzai (R).
2012-11-26 08:51:35 PM  
2 votes:
I'd like to see the NAACP and AARP join in a civil RICO lawsuit charging the Republican party with a multi-state conspiracy to deny their members' right to vote. All those Republican state legislators who voted for these measures could be unindicted co-conspirators.
Putting some of these Republican operatives on the stand would be Must Watch TV.
2012-11-26 08:18:06 PM  
2 votes:

badhatharry: moralpanic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

It's pretty interesting watching your brain in action. Here is a clear case of corruption, where the former leader of the Florida Republicans comes out and admits the corruption, and yet your brain creates a reality where you think the alternative to this corruption is that the Democrats would be more corrupt.

I don't see it as corruption. Early voting is a new thing. Democrats want to expand it to be "fair". Republicans want to restrict it to be "fair". They both lie about their motivations. They both just want the most votes That's politics.


"I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that's a big day when the black churches organize themselves," he said.

/They're not trying to be fair.
//And you're not trying to be honest about this.
2012-11-26 07:41:13 PM  
2 votes:

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.


Why, again, is encouraging the largest % of the electorate as possible to vote a bad thing?

Not being good for the GOP is not a valid answer.
2012-11-26 07:12:13 PM  
2 votes:

CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.


It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.
2012-11-26 06:57:11 PM  
2 votes:

badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.
2012-11-26 06:41:24 PM  
2 votes:

badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.


As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?
2012-11-26 06:12:15 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: Wayne Bertsch, who handles local and legislative races for Republicans, said he knew targeting Democrats was the goal. "In the races I was involved in in 2008, when we started seeing the increase of turnout and the turnout operations that the Democrats were doing in early voting, it certainly sent a chill down our spines.

What? People in an opposing Party getting to express their Constitutionally protected right to vote? Jesus, what a slimy piece of shiat. I currently despise the GOP, but people getting to legitimately vote for GOP candidates doesn't "scare" me.


This. It scares me that people will WANT to vote for this trash, but not that they CAN.
2012-11-26 06:04:28 PM  
2 votes:

dehehn: Headso: As much as I like to make fun of Florida this was a nationwide GOP disenfranchisement effort.

Yeah it was.

Even though here in PA the law was struck down by a judge shortly before the elections, they nice old ladies were still asking for IDs at the poll. When I asked them why they were checking IDs even though the law was struck down they said they were "practicing for next time".

It's a concerted effort and it's not over yet. Republicans have no desire to actually change with the demographics of the country, they will try every dirty trick in the book before treating non-white males like human beings.


You mean like trying to split up the electoral votes by district instead of by popular vote?

(Obama would've still won even if we used that system)
2012-11-26 06:01:09 PM  
2 votes:
Hey how about a petition to have the feds look into the voter irregularities of this past election?
2012-11-26 05:59:28 PM  
2 votes:
Everyone involved with voter ID or restricting voters in any way should be lined against the wall and shot.

I'm sorry your sh*tty, childish policies are not popular. Deal with it.

If you want to stand for something, stand for universal voting machines with a paper record for every single precinct in the country. If we can spend $10,000,000,000 on a f*cking aircraft carrier, we can damn well do the same for universal voting machines that work properly. Put the contract out for bid, make sure they have no ties to any party and go from there. Sure, it'll be hard to find a neutral company to make them, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Just doing that would go much further to ensuring free and fair elections than any of your crackpot ideas to keep people you don't like away from the polls.
2012-11-26 05:52:24 PM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Honestly, I'm just surprised anyone admits to being a Republican anymore.


Because they never hear this kind of stuff. Know how much coverage this will get on Fox News and Limbaugh? Zero. Just like every other story you see here that exposes what the Republicans in charge really stand for.
2012-11-26 05:48:57 PM  
2 votes:

i78.photobucket.com

"Sherlock Holmes, his bowels constipated."

2012-11-26 05:47:21 PM  
2 votes:

abb3w: MrBallou: How is this not illegal?
Ambivalence: How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.

Dunno. It might make for an interesting circus to indict all the Florida legislators who voted for those laws, alleging that they were engaged in a conspiracy to oppress the free exercise of the franchise per 18 USC § 241. I don't think it would survive trial, much less the resulting appeals, but it would make for spectacular political theater.


That's what I'm thinking. The press barely even raises an eyebrow at this stuff anymore. It would be good to drag these guys out in the open for everybody to ridicule, even if it won't stick.
2012-11-26 05:46:34 PM  
2 votes:
Wayne Bertsch, who handles local and legislative races for Republicans, said he knew targeting Democrats was the goal. "In the races I was involved in in 2008, when we started seeing the increase of turnout and the turnout operations that the Democrats were doing in early voting, it certainly sent a chill down our spines.

What? People in an opposing Party getting to express their Constitutionally protected right to vote? Jesus, what a slimy piece of shiat. I currently despise the GOP, but people getting to legitimately vote for GOP candidates doesn't "scare" me.
2012-11-26 05:37:32 PM  
2 votes:
honesty is a good first step in reaching out to the people in an attempt to broaden your base but being honest about how evil your party is, maybe not so much.
2012-11-26 05:34:52 PM  
2 votes:
As much as I like to make fun of Florida this was a nationwide GOP disenfranchisement effort.
2012-11-26 04:54:38 PM  
2 votes:
Well, at least they found the voter fraud they were looking for.

So, despite all these efforts they still yielded this? Time and money well spent.
2012-11-27 03:15:46 AM  
1 vote:

CorporatePerson: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

Since the election all my ditto head friends have been parrotting this "early voting = voter fraud" talking point.


Actually it's 'Democrat winng = voter fraud'. Funny thing is that they ignore the REAL voter fraud when their own people do it.

EVERY time.
2012-11-26 11:23:03 PM  
1 vote:
So they are a bunch of scumbags, that's OK because they are the party of Jesus and God.

Thy were just following the will of God and emulating Jesus. From this lessons I have learned the following:

1) Conservatives think God loves lying scumbags.
2) Conservatives think Jesus was a lying scumbag.

Otherwise, why would have they done such a thing?
2012-11-26 10:30:13 PM  
1 vote:

coeyagi: Fluorescent Testicle: coeyagi: Then I hope you're a lawyer who can sodomize the "Rs" for their shenanigans. Sadly, I don't see it happening.

Actually, a good number of people on this tab are lawyers, or at least in law school. No clue what states they live in, though.

As qorkfiend said though, can you really prosecute a legislator for legislating? Isn't the point of the legislative process to vote up the good ideas and vote down the bad ones, ESPECIALLY when the motive is clear?


As I understand it, and I'm not entirely sure I do, once a law is passed, the only way to make it "illegal" is via the courts. A law can't be "illegal" in the sense that it breaks another law--if someone were to pass a law making murder legal, for instance, then either that law or the prior law would be invalid. They couldn't both be valid laws.

With regards to the voter ID laws, they can be unconstitutional, but if they were passed by the legislature and voted on by the public (or whatever is necessary to put them on the books in a particular state--like in CA they have to be on the ballot as a referendum) then it is legal and valid unless or until someone takes it to court and a judge declares it in violation of another state statute, or the state constitution, or the US Constitution. But it wouldn't be "against the law" as in violating a penal code or something like that. Nobody broke a law and can get arrested for enforcing it, if that's what you mean.
2012-11-26 10:09:28 PM  
1 vote:
More and more, Republicans are shiatting on everything even Republicans fought for during the cold war. Making a mockery of the voting process? Only Communist tyrannies did that.
2012-11-26 09:52:56 PM  
1 vote:

clowncar on fire: SilentStrider: MaudlinMutantMollusk: My only surprise is that they'd admit it

Same here. They're getting more brazen.

Read like in-house fighting to me. Christi expanded hours, his successor reduced them- Christi admits to the reduction of hours as intended as a means of voter reduction.


Crist, not Christi. As in Charlie Crist, who left the GOP because the tea party turned on him for accepting stimulus money.
2012-11-26 09:12:26 PM  
1 vote:

JAYoung: I'd like to see the NAACP and AARP join in a civil RICO lawsuit charging the Republican party with a multi-state conspiracy to deny their members' right to vote. All those Republican state legislators who voted for these measures could be unindicted co-conspirators.
Putting some of these Republican operatives on the stand would be Must Watch TV.


I want to know when the criminal investigation begins.
2012-11-26 08:59:54 PM  
1 vote:

Ambivalence: MrBallou: How is this not illegal?

How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.


If the law is set to defraud someone of their right to vote, isn't that considered voter fraud?

If a law is designed to deny a specific group of people to the right to vote, isn't that discrimination?
2012-11-26 08:57:49 PM  
1 vote:

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution.""I think that taking part in a scripted debate against an actor portraying President Obama on Fox Business Channel is a good idea that will make people take me seriously as a presidential candidate."


Link


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2012-11-26 08:57:31 PM  
1 vote:

rynthetyn: 8 page ballot


rynthetyn: 8 page ballot

rynthetyn: 8 page ballot

 WTF? Do they vote for Assistant City DogCatcher down there?
2012-11-26 08:53:44 PM  
1 vote:

HighOnCraic: [healthyinfluence.com image 525x393]

Unavailable for comment.
Probably because he's so shocked.


Surprised I had to scroll so far down to find that.

/first thought

meyerkev: Question:

How big WERE these precincts with 8-9 hour lines? How many machines? Why did they have an 8-hour line to begin with?

/Just for comparison, the precinct I worked had ~750 day-of voters across 1 sign-in, 10 voting booths for a 1 page, double-sided ballot, and 1 tabulator. We had an hour line when we opened, worked that out by 11:00, and then never had a line after that.


Not entirely sure, but it's kind of damning in either case. Either it was understaffed for too many people, or the precinct lines were cut really, really badly. Probably not on purpose, no sirree.

I worked (outside of, handing out lit and answering questions) a polling place in a mainly working class generally safe Dem precinct. Actually, two precincts, in one building. 2 hour wait. 1 1/2 hours at similar precincts my friends were at, pretty much all day. The SO forgot to change his address so had to go to his upper middle class pretty damn white suburban town to vote during what is usually a rush hour time for voting statewide (our breaks where I was were scheduled around it). He got out in 15 minutes. No one except the people at the front of the line at 7 AM on the dot where I was got out in 15 minutes all day. My cousin (middle class, safe Dem precinct) couldn't vote because she had allocated only 2 hours and had a plane to catch.

Maybe the safe Dem precincts got higher turnout than they expected. Maybe lots of anecdotal data is still anecdotal. Maybe the Republicans had a field day with redistricting in my state in 2011.

/shrug
2012-11-26 08:48:40 PM  
1 vote:

meyerkev: Question:

How big WERE these precincts with 8-9 hour lines? How many machines? Why did they have an 8-hour line to begin with?

/Just for comparison, the precinct I worked had ~750 day-of voters across 1 sign-in, 10 voting booths for a 1 page, double-sided ballot, and 1 tabulator. We had an hour line when we opened, worked that out by 11:00, and then never had a line after that.


Miami-Dade, where the longest lines were, had an 8 page ballot. The county where I worked as a poll watcher had a four page ballot and it took people about 20-30 minutes to vote the whole thing--it was about a 2 hour wait all day with a half dozen people handling check-in and, after they brought in more booths to try to speed things up, 40 booths. If you're talking an 8 page ballot and a place that doesn't have room for more than a couple dozen booths, it's going to take a long time.
2012-11-26 08:23:10 PM  
1 vote:

CorporatePerson: One of my derpy family members tried to justify it to me. To him, the election was supposed to represent a snapshot of what the country wanted to do on November 6th. To him early voting is pretty much tantamount to voter fraud because the dems were stealing people who could've been won over by Romney in those remaining few weeks before the election.


But under that logic, isn't is also ensuring that people WON'T be won over by Obama during those last few weeks? The way they make it sound is that only Democrats get to vote early.
2012-11-26 08:16:50 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry:
I don't see it as corruption. Early voting is a new thing. Democrats want to expand it to be "fair". Republicans want to restrict it to be "fair". They both lie about their motivations. They both just want the most votes That's politics.


It's corruption when the purpose of the restriction was to suppress voters from voting... you know, by forcing them to take a day off work and wait in line for 8 hrs to cast a vote. THAT'S corruption.
2012-11-26 08:15:35 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry:
Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


In your world, 8 hrs of waiting was because Democrats didn't want to vote on election day?

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2012-11-26 08:14:54 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: moralpanic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

It's pretty interesting watching your brain in action. Here is a clear case of corruption, where the former leader of the Florida Republicans comes out and admits the corruption, and yet your brain creates a reality where you think the alternative to this corruption is that the Democrats would be more corrupt.

I don't see it as corruption. Early voting is a new thing. Democrats want to expand it to be "fair". Republicans want to restrict it to be "fair". They both lie about their motivations. They both just want the most votes That's politics.


How is increasing overall voter turnout unfair? Use graphs, charts and crayons if you must.
2012-11-26 08:08:34 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution." "Threats or no threats, I've laid bare the coming race war in our big cities."

2012-11-26 08:07:13 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


Which is, of course, why early voting in Texas was mainly between 9 am and 4:30 pm. To keep retards from voting, obviously. No sir, the Republicans in Texas weren't trying to keep a certain class of people from voting, no sir.

And stop trolling; it's unbecoming of a young lady.
2012-11-26 08:04:10 PM  
1 vote:

Kumana Wanalaia: Hey how about a petition to have the feds look into the voter irregularities of this past election?


I would have thought a petition wouldn't be necessary. I cannot imagine why people are not being charged.
2012-11-26 08:00:58 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.


It's pretty interesting watching your brain in action. Here is a clear case of corruption, where the former leader of the Florida Republicans comes out and admits the corruption, and yet your brain creates a reality where you think the alternative to this corruption is that the Democrats would be more corrupt.
2012-11-26 07:57:27 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson:

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."

And "all voting must take place on a single day" is?

Yes. It's called election day. Article 2 Section 1.


"The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States."

This still doesn't prohibit casting votes prior to said day. A limiting word such as "just" or "only" might help your cause.
2012-11-26 07:56:42 PM  
1 vote:

coeyagi: As I might say: "It's not prohibited by the Constitution."


Bonus: The GOP's constant efforts to disenfranchise are.

/I know that you know that already.
//I doubt the trolls do, though.
2012-11-26 07:54:13 PM  
1 vote:

rynthetyn: Charlie Crist has nothing to lose at this point by dishing on the stuff that the rest of the GOP tried to get him to do. His days were numbered ever since he was a decent enough human being to recognize that as governor of all Floridians, not just Republicans, extending early voting in 2008 was the right thing to do. He's bringing it up now to draw a line in the sand for when he inevitably makes another run for governor in 2014. Only question is whether he switches over to the Dems between now and then or runs as an independent.


Speaking of Crist, minus two points on TFA for labeling Crist as a Republican. He is an Independent.
2012-11-26 07:50:34 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."


As I might say: "It's not prohibited by the Constitution."

Try again. I'll be getting popcorn...
2012-11-26 07:25:58 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


Put simply, Republicans don't like it when the % of the electorate that casts ballots is high, therefore they pursue methods of suppressing the vote. If you need to childishly call people that vote Democrat 'retards' to make yourself feel better about being a disgusting excuse for an American, then by all means, continue.
2012-11-26 07:23:47 PM  
1 vote:

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .


But retarded Democrat voters will vote early! -badhatharry

Unexpected results - call the other team retarded.TM
2012-11-26 07:02:50 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

[citation needed]

original work


As you are a liar, claims issued by you lack credibility.
2012-11-26 06:52:12 PM  
1 vote:

JohnnyC: Want to know how incredibly unpopular the Republican party is... They cheated and they still couldn't win.


This.

Gotta give it up to the Obama ground game for overcoming the GOP derp tactics.
2012-11-26 06:51:31 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


Retard voters? Ok, time to post this again:

2008 Educational Rankings:

Blue States Average: 20.5
Red States Average: 32.4
2012-11-26 06:46:11 PM  
1 vote:

NewportBarGuy: Everyone involved with voter ID or restricting voters in any way should be lined against the wall and shot.

I'm sorry your sh*tty, childish policies are not popular. Deal with it.

If you want to stand for something, stand for universal voting machines with a paper record for every single precinct in the country. If we can spend $10,000,000,000 on a f*cking aircraft carrier, we can damn well do the same for universal voting machines that work properly. Put the contract out for bid, make sure they have no ties to any party and go from there. Sure, it'll be hard to find a neutral company to make them, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Just doing that would go much further to ensuring free and fair elections than any of your crackpot ideas to keep people you don't like away from the polls.


I still wouldn't mind an voter ID, but agree with everything else you said. We can afford a standard voting machine for every district.
2012-11-26 06:41:48 PM  
1 vote:

coeyagi: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

[citation needed]


original work
2012-11-26 06:39:19 PM  
1 vote:
Let's call them what they are, traitors to America and Democracy.
2012-11-26 06:34:18 PM  
1 vote:
i64.photobucket.com
2012-11-26 06:25:44 PM  
1 vote:
No shiat? One of them already admitted as much about Pennsylvania (which they also lost), so I assume that the same held for every other state.
Ehh
2012-11-26 06:18:06 PM  
1 vote:

HighOnCraic: realmolo: And they STILL lost.

Nice job, retards.

The current crop of Florida Republicans is less competent than the ones that were around in '00.

[scarytag.jpg]


The Bushes pay better. They have bigger secrets to protect.
2012-11-26 06:17:14 PM  
1 vote:

dehehn: Even though here in PA the law was struck down by a judge shortly before the elections, they nice old ladies were still asking for IDs at the poll. When I asked them why they were checking IDs even though the law was struck down they said they were "practicing for next time".


Placing the ultimate decision of whether or not someone can vote in the hands of untrained, unvetted election workers is the true, subtle, and sinister genius of these kind of Voter ID laws.
2012-11-26 06:10:54 PM  
1 vote:
Follow up;

Florida Pastors 'Appalled but not Surprised' by Report that Voter Suppression Measures Intended to Target African Americans

Link

/But remember, black people are the REAL racists!
2012-11-26 06:07:06 PM  
1 vote:

Mrtraveler01: You mean like trying to split up the electoral votes by district instead of by popular vote winner take all?

(Obama would've still won even if we used that system)


FTFM
2012-11-26 06:00:49 PM  
1 vote:

tnpir: It's time to cut our losses.


Give me 3 days to get my family and belongings and get out!
2012-11-26 06:00:23 PM  
1 vote:

Headso: As much as I like to make fun of Florida this was a nationwide GOP disenfranchisement effort.


Yeah it was.

Even though here in PA the law was struck down by a judge shortly before the elections, they nice old ladies were still asking for IDs at the poll. When I asked them why they were checking IDs even though the law was struck down they said they were "practicing for next time".

It's a concerted effort and it's not over yet. Republicans have no desire to actually change with the demographics of the country, they will try every dirty trick in the book before treating non-white males like human beings.
2012-11-26 05:56:41 PM  
1 vote:

heavymetal: I wonder how many of these "anti-fraud" voter obstruction laws might have hurt the GOP based on the law of averages. How many Republican voters saw the long lines and decided to just go home since according to unskewed polls, a Romney win was certain?


According to Nate Silver these kinds of laws give a 1-2% advantage to Republicans.
2012-11-26 05:50:23 PM  
1 vote:
They're just staying true to what the founding fathers wanted - for black people not to vote.
2012-11-26 05:44:18 PM  
1 vote:
Before any of the shills start whining about this being "Stink Progress" or some bullshiat, it was originally reported by the Palm Beach Post.
2012-11-26 05:42:46 PM  
1 vote:
Has anyone totaled up how much it costs states to verify the eligibility of all those who had to cast provisional ballots due to these bullshiat laws?
2012-11-26 05:42:20 PM  
1 vote:

SilentStrider: MaudlinMutantMollusk: My only surprise is that they'd admit it

Same here. They're getting more brazen.


They had to show their benefactors that they tried.
2012-11-26 05:40:12 PM  
1 vote:
But....but... buses of illegals! And I don't personally know why people might not have ID!
2012-11-26 05:39:54 PM  
1 vote:
Isn't this basically evidence that could be used in a lawsuit to throw out those laws?.....
2012-11-26 05:38:30 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: fewer voters allowed to vote and they still couldn't finish counting on time. You suck, Florida!

/and Florida GOP


There's only one abacus in the whole state, what did you expect?

Excepting Cape Canaveral, but they weren't going to loan out their slide rules.
2012-11-26 05:35:50 PM  
1 vote:
fewer voters allowed to vote and they still couldn't finish counting on time. You suck, Florida!

/and Florida GOP
2012-11-26 05:06:48 PM  
1 vote:
We got the same shiatty voter ID law passed here in PA, but at least the PA GOP admitted it was to steal the vote when they passed it.
2012-11-26 04:46:25 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: My only surprise is that they'd admit it


Same here. They're getting more brazen.
2012-11-26 03:59:08 PM  
1 vote:
How is this not illegal?
2012-11-26 03:23:29 PM  
1 vote:
:O ---My stunned face.
2012-11-26 02:49:42 PM  
1 vote:
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