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(Think Progress)   Set your faces to stunned: Florida Republicans admit voter suppression was the goal of new election laws   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 200
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2012-11-26 02:49:42 PM
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2012-11-26 03:23:29 PM
:O ---My stunned face.
 
2012-11-26 03:59:08 PM
How is this not illegal?
 
2012-11-26 04:36:43 PM

MrBallou: How is this not illegal?


How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.
 
2012-11-26 04:43:26 PM
My only surprise is that they'd admit it
 
2012-11-26 04:46:25 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: My only surprise is that they'd admit it


Same here. They're getting more brazen.
 
2012-11-26 04:50:20 PM
It's time to cut our losses. 

image.legios.org
 
2012-11-26 04:51:58 PM
=|
 
2012-11-26 04:54:38 PM
Well, at least they found the voter fraud they were looking for.

So, despite all these efforts they still yielded this? Time and money well spent.
 
2012-11-26 05:06:48 PM
We got the same shiatty voter ID law passed here in PA, but at least the PA GOP admitted it was to steal the vote when they passed it.
 
2012-11-26 05:20:35 PM

MrBallou: How is this not illegal?

Ambivalence: How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.


Dunno. It might make for an interesting circus to indict all the Florida legislators who voted for those laws, alleging that they were engaged in a conspiracy to oppress the free exercise of the franchise per 18 USC § 241. I don't think it would survive trial, much less the resulting appeals, but it would make for spectacular political theater.
 
2012-11-26 05:34:52 PM
As much as I like to make fun of Florida this was a nationwide GOP disenfranchisement effort.
 
2012-11-26 05:35:50 PM
fewer voters allowed to vote and they still couldn't finish counting on time. You suck, Florida!

/and Florida GOP
 
2012-11-26 05:36:23 PM
Well, duh.
 
2012-11-26 05:37:32 PM
honesty is a good first step in reaching out to the people in an attempt to broaden your base but being honest about how evil your party is, maybe not so much.
 
2012-11-26 05:38:30 PM

skullkrusher: fewer voters allowed to vote and they still couldn't finish counting on time. You suck, Florida!

/and Florida GOP


There's only one abacus in the whole state, what did you expect?

Excepting Cape Canaveral, but they weren't going to loan out their slide rules.
 
2012-11-26 05:39:54 PM
Isn't this basically evidence that could be used in a lawsuit to throw out those laws?.....
 
2012-11-26 05:40:12 PM
But....but... buses of illegals! And I don't personally know why people might not have ID!
 
2012-11-26 05:41:35 PM

Ambivalence: :O ---My stunned face.


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2012-11-26 05:41:41 PM
Would chortle again, well done subby.

Cheers
 
2012-11-26 05:42:14 PM
Want to know how incredibly unpopular the Republican party is... They cheated and they still couldn't win.

I don't expect them to learn the right lesson here... I suspect they will choose "cheat more" over "earn the trust of the voters".
 
2012-11-26 05:42:20 PM

SilentStrider: MaudlinMutantMollusk: My only surprise is that they'd admit it

Same here. They're getting more brazen.


They had to show their benefactors that they tried.
 
2012-11-26 05:42:26 PM

LazarusLong42: skullkrusher: fewer voters allowed to vote and they still couldn't finish counting on time. You suck, Florida!

/and Florida GOP

There's only one abacus in the whole state, what did you expect?

Excepting Cape Canaveral, but they weren't going to loan out their slide rules.


but those old farkers know when you've taken more than 2 Werther's from the candy dish. I think they're lying to us. They know how to count.
 
2012-11-26 05:42:46 PM
Has anyone totaled up how much it costs states to verify the eligibility of all those who had to cast provisional ballots due to these bullshiat laws?
 
2012-11-26 05:43:16 PM
They farked that up to by STILL losing FL.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-26 05:43:17 PM
Since the individuals who admitted this are no longer public officials
(1) Was anyone identifiable denied the opportunity to vote?
(2) If so could these individuals named or the organization they putatively represent be held civilly liable?

Nice class action lawsuit effectively bankrupting the GOP in Florida, anyone?
 
2012-11-26 05:44:17 PM

anwserman: Isn't this basically evidence that could be used in a lawsuit to throw out those laws?.....


Depends on the judge...
 
2012-11-26 05:44:18 PM
Before any of the shills start whining about this being "Stink Progress" or some bullshiat, it was originally reported by the Palm Beach Post.
 
2012-11-26 05:44:38 PM
At least they admitted it?
 
2012-11-26 05:44:50 PM
www.adventuresofadamnfool.com
 
2012-11-26 05:45:05 PM

UNC_Samurai: Before any of the shills start whining about this being "Stink Progress" or some bullshiat, it was originally reported by the Palm Beach Post.


I prefer to put the "Think" in quotes but "Stink Progress" is pretty good
 
2012-11-26 05:46:03 PM

JohnnyC: Want to know how incredibly unpopular the Republican party is... They cheated and they still couldn't win.

I don't expect them to learn the right lesson here... I suspect they will choose "cheat more" over "earn the trust of the voters".


Agree with both points, great way to put it.
 
2012-11-26 05:46:34 PM
Wayne Bertsch, who handles local and legislative races for Republicans, said he knew targeting Democrats was the goal. "In the races I was involved in in 2008, when we started seeing the increase of turnout and the turnout operations that the Democrats were doing in early voting, it certainly sent a chill down our spines.

What? People in an opposing Party getting to express their Constitutionally protected right to vote? Jesus, what a slimy piece of shiat. I currently despise the GOP, but people getting to legitimately vote for GOP candidates doesn't "scare" me.
 
2012-11-26 05:47:21 PM

abb3w: MrBallou: How is this not illegal?
Ambivalence: How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.

Dunno. It might make for an interesting circus to indict all the Florida legislators who voted for those laws, alleging that they were engaged in a conspiracy to oppress the free exercise of the franchise per 18 USC § 241. I don't think it would survive trial, much less the resulting appeals, but it would make for spectacular political theater.


That's what I'm thinking. The press barely even raises an eyebrow at this stuff anymore. It would be good to drag these guys out in the open for everybody to ridicule, even if it won't stick.
 
2012-11-26 05:48:57 PM
i78.photobucket.com

"Sherlock Holmes, his bowels constipated."
 
2012-11-26 05:49:24 PM
Honestly, I'm just surprised anyone admits to being a Republican anymore.
 
2012-11-26 05:50:23 PM
They're just staying true to what the founding fathers wanted - for black people not to vote.
 
2012-11-26 05:52:24 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Honestly, I'm just surprised anyone admits to being a Republican anymore.


Because they never hear this kind of stuff. Know how much coverage this will get on Fox News and Limbaugh? Zero. Just like every other story you see here that exposes what the Republicans in charge really stand for.
 
2012-11-26 05:53:50 PM
Instead of setting my face to stunned, can I shoot them in the face with a stun-gun?
 
2012-11-26 05:54:17 PM
I wonder how many of these "anti-fraud" voter obstruction laws might have hurt the GOP based on the law of averages. How many Republican voters saw the long lines and decided to just go home since according to unskewed polls, a Romney win was certain?
 
2012-11-26 05:55:25 PM
My shocked face: ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-11-26 05:56:30 PM
Florida's 2010 Voting Law went through an automatic suit under the Voting Rights Act. This suit only examined if the impact, in covered counties, would be disproportionate to blacks or Hispanics. The suit was not completed, if memory serves. I believe they settled that the previous law would apply in the covered counties only. What I am saying is that there is no need for anyone to sue, I don't think, because there is already action on this.
 
2012-11-26 05:56:41 PM

heavymetal: I wonder how many of these "anti-fraud" voter obstruction laws might have hurt the GOP based on the law of averages. How many Republican voters saw the long lines and decided to just go home since according to unskewed polls, a Romney win was certain?


According to Nate Silver these kinds of laws give a 1-2% advantage to Republicans.
 
2012-11-26 05:57:03 PM
A GOP consultant who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retribution said black voters were a concern. "I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that's a big day when the black churches organize themselves," he said.

But don't you dare call them racists!
 
2012-11-26 05:59:28 PM
Everyone involved with voter ID or restricting voters in any way should be lined against the wall and shot.

I'm sorry your sh*tty, childish policies are not popular. Deal with it.

If you want to stand for something, stand for universal voting machines with a paper record for every single precinct in the country. If we can spend $10,000,000,000 on a f*cking aircraft carrier, we can damn well do the same for universal voting machines that work properly. Put the contract out for bid, make sure they have no ties to any party and go from there. Sure, it'll be hard to find a neutral company to make them, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Just doing that would go much further to ensuring free and fair elections than any of your crackpot ideas to keep people you don't like away from the polls.
 
2012-11-26 06:00:23 PM

Headso: As much as I like to make fun of Florida this was a nationwide GOP disenfranchisement effort.


Yeah it was.

Even though here in PA the law was struck down by a judge shortly before the elections, they nice old ladies were still asking for IDs at the poll. When I asked them why they were checking IDs even though the law was struck down they said they were "practicing for next time".

It's a concerted effort and it's not over yet. Republicans have no desire to actually change with the demographics of the country, they will try every dirty trick in the book before treating non-white males like human beings.
 
2012-11-26 06:00:37 PM
Not for nothing, but Democratic organizations also tried to get Democrats elected by registering as many people as possible and encouraging them to vote. So see? They're both bad.
 
2012-11-26 06:00:49 PM

tnpir: It's time to cut our losses. 


Give me 3 days to get my family and belongings and get out!
 
2012-11-26 06:01:04 PM
And they STILL lost.

Nice job, retards.
 
2012-11-26 06:01:09 PM
Hey how about a petition to have the feds look into the voter irregularities of this past election?
 
2012-11-26 06:04:28 PM

dehehn: Headso: As much as I like to make fun of Florida this was a nationwide GOP disenfranchisement effort.

Yeah it was.

Even though here in PA the law was struck down by a judge shortly before the elections, they nice old ladies were still asking for IDs at the poll. When I asked them why they were checking IDs even though the law was struck down they said they were "practicing for next time".

It's a concerted effort and it's not over yet. Republicans have no desire to actually change with the demographics of the country, they will try every dirty trick in the book before treating non-white males like human beings.


You mean like trying to split up the electoral votes by district instead of by popular vote?

(Obama would've still won even if we used that system)
 
2012-11-26 06:05:27 PM
Of course it was. Even the Fark Conservative brigade knows this to be the case. You guys can stop pretending that you are concerned with voter fraud now. The cat's out of the bag.
 
2012-11-26 06:07:06 PM

Mrtraveler01: You mean like trying to split up the electoral votes by district instead of by popular vote winner take all?

(Obama would've still won even if we used that system)


FTFM
 
2012-11-26 06:08:25 PM

Ambivalence: :O ---My stunned face.


But you told me that was your O face!
 
2012-11-26 06:10:13 PM

Ambivalence: MrBallou: How is this not illegal?

How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.


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LLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!
 
2012-11-26 06:10:16 PM

MrBallou: How is this not illegal?


It's legal, and even moral, when Republicans do it.
 
2012-11-26 06:10:54 PM
Follow up;

Florida Pastors 'Appalled but not Surprised' by Report that Voter Suppression Measures Intended to Target African Americans

Link

/But remember, black people are the REAL racists!
 
2012-11-26 06:12:15 PM

Mikey1969: Wayne Bertsch, who handles local and legislative races for Republicans, said he knew targeting Democrats was the goal. "In the races I was involved in in 2008, when we started seeing the increase of turnout and the turnout operations that the Democrats were doing in early voting, it certainly sent a chill down our spines.

What? People in an opposing Party getting to express their Constitutionally protected right to vote? Jesus, what a slimy piece of shiat. I currently despise the GOP, but people getting to legitimately vote for GOP candidates doesn't "scare" me.


This. It scares me that people will WANT to vote for this trash, but not that they CAN.
 
2012-11-26 06:14:44 PM

realmolo: And they STILL lost.

Nice job, retards.


The current crop of Florida Republicans is less competent than the ones that were around in '00.

[scarytag.jpg]
 
2012-11-26 06:15:29 PM
In other news, Republican "fiscal responsibility" is a paper-thin veneer over a policy of cutting taxes for the wealthy to zero (at which point they would actually start refunding money), eliminating all regulations that hinders wealthy campaign contributors from making more money, increasing regulations (SOPA) that help wealthy campaign contributors make more money, constantly increasing "defense" spending that results in fat, no-bid contracts for wealthy campaign contributors, and demonizing anyone who actually works for a living as a useless slacker welfare queen who should either start scrubbing toilets and paying 33% income tax on $8 an hour, or else hurry up and starve.
 
2012-11-26 06:17:14 PM

dehehn: Even though here in PA the law was struck down by a judge shortly before the elections, they nice old ladies were still asking for IDs at the poll. When I asked them why they were checking IDs even though the law was struck down they said they were "practicing for next time".


Placing the ultimate decision of whether or not someone can vote in the hands of untrained, unvetted election workers is the true, subtle, and sinister genius of these kind of Voter ID laws.
 
Ehh
2012-11-26 06:18:06 PM

HighOnCraic: realmolo: And they STILL lost.

Nice job, retards.

The current crop of Florida Republicans is less competent than the ones that were around in '00.

[scarytag.jpg]


The Bushes pay better. They have bigger secrets to protect.
 
2012-11-26 06:19:39 PM
They're disingenuous liars. Yellow cowards.
 
2012-11-26 06:20:54 PM
But... but... BENGHAZI!!!!
 
2012-11-26 06:22:16 PM

Ehh: HighOnCraic: realmolo: And they STILL lost.

Nice job, retards.

The current crop of Florida Republicans is less competent than the ones that were around in '00.

[scarytag.jpg]

The Bushes pay better. They have bigger secrets to protect.


Romney should fire those people. I bet he'd like that.
 
2012-11-26 06:23:10 PM
when will you libs understand, Democracy is too important to just leave in the hands of Mud People and Poor Folks.
 
2012-11-26 06:25:44 PM
No shiat? One of them already admitted as much about Pennsylvania (which they also lost), so I assume that the same held for every other state.
 
2012-11-26 06:26:30 PM
INT - Smokey Room at Florida Governor's Mansion - NIGHT

Sycophant #1: So, our cunning plan didn't work?!?!

Sycophant #2: Because we didn't go far enough!

Sycophant #1: Are you saying that we should look at... 60% solutions?

Sycophant #2: 3/5ths of the people in Florida would be outraged!

Sycophant #1: Yeah, but 3/5ths of the 3/5ths would only count as 3/5ths!

Rick Scott takes out a legal pad and starts jotting down notes.
 
2012-11-26 06:34:18 PM
i64.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-26 06:34:34 PM

realmolo: And they STILL lost.

Nice job, retards.


Well that proves that Obama committed election fraud. Despite all of the fraud and suppression the GOP did, they still lost. He had to be cheating.
 
2012-11-26 06:36:45 PM
And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.
 
2012-11-26 06:39:19 PM
Let's call them what they are, traitors to America and Democracy.
 
2012-11-26 06:40:12 PM

badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.


[citation needed]
 
2012-11-26 06:41:24 PM

badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.


As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?
 
2012-11-26 06:41:48 PM

coeyagi: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

[citation needed]


original work
 
2012-11-26 06:43:21 PM

badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

[citation needed]

original work


Snape's voice: Obbbbbbviously....
 
2012-11-26 06:43:36 PM
The farking Tories are back! All hail King Corp.
 
2012-11-26 06:43:53 PM
I am shocked! Shocked!
 
2012-11-26 06:45:44 PM

badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

[citation needed]

original work



Still a better love story than Twilight.
 
2012-11-26 06:46:11 PM

NewportBarGuy: Everyone involved with voter ID or restricting voters in any way should be lined against the wall and shot.

I'm sorry your sh*tty, childish policies are not popular. Deal with it.

If you want to stand for something, stand for universal voting machines with a paper record for every single precinct in the country. If we can spend $10,000,000,000 on a f*cking aircraft carrier, we can damn well do the same for universal voting machines that work properly. Put the contract out for bid, make sure they have no ties to any party and go from there. Sure, it'll be hard to find a neutral company to make them, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Just doing that would go much further to ensuring free and fair elections than any of your crackpot ideas to keep people you don't like away from the polls.


I still wouldn't mind an voter ID, but agree with everything else you said. We can afford a standard voting machine for every district.
 
2012-11-26 06:48:22 PM

badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.


Since the election all my ditto head friends have been parrotting this "early voting = voter fraud" talking point.
 
2012-11-26 06:48:32 PM

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?


Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.
 
2012-11-26 06:51:31 PM

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


Retard voters? Ok, time to post this again:

2008 Educational Rankings:

Blue States Average: 20.5
Red States Average: 32.4
 
2012-11-26 06:52:12 PM

JohnnyC: Want to know how incredibly unpopular the Republican party is... They cheated and they still couldn't win.


This.

Gotta give it up to the Obama ground game for overcoming the GOP derp tactics.
 
2012-11-26 06:53:12 PM

abb3w: MrBallou: How is this not illegal?
Ambivalence: How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.

Dunno. It might make for an interesting circus to indict all the Florida legislators who voted for those laws, alleging that they were engaged in a conspiracy to oppress the free exercise of the franchise per 18 USC § 241. I don't think it would survive trial, much less the resulting appeals, but it would make for spectacular political theater.


"we didnt know we were breaking the law"
HAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I can hear them all now, pleading the 5th
 
2012-11-26 06:54:27 PM
I'm only shocked they've admitted it.
 
2012-11-26 06:54:43 PM

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


Is there something about early voting that prevents Republicans from doing it?
 
2012-11-26 06:56:07 PM

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

Is there something about early voting that prevents Republicans from doing it?


Give an elderly person lots of time with a deadline far in the future and Alzheimer's will eff them.
 
2012-11-26 06:57:11 PM

badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.
 
2012-11-26 07:00:11 PM

dehehn: Even though here in PA the law was struck down by a judge shortly before the elections, they nice old ladies were still asking for IDs at the poll. When I asked them why they were checking IDs even though the law was struck down they said they were "practicing for next time".


did you tell them that they were breaking the law and you were calling the police?
LOL
would have loved to have seen that on the news
"batty old ladies arrested for election tampering"

bwhahahahahahahahahahah
 
2012-11-26 07:02:06 PM
healthyinfluence.com

Unavailable for comment.
Probably because he's so shocked.
 
2012-11-26 07:02:50 PM

badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

[citation needed]

original work


As you are a liar, claims issued by you lack credibility.
 
2012-11-26 07:03:41 PM
Hahahaha! The Melanin-in-Chief beat the cheaters twice. Twice!
 
2012-11-26 07:11:25 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

Was originally looking for Toot's "duuuuu-uuuuuuuh!" from Drawn Together, but this will serve.
 
2012-11-26 07:12:13 PM

CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.


It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.
 
2012-11-26 07:18:42 PM

badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.


If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .
 
2012-11-26 07:23:47 PM

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .


But retarded Democrat voters will vote early! -badhatharry

Unexpected results - call the other team retarded.TM
 
2012-11-26 07:25:58 PM

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


Put simply, Republicans don't like it when the % of the electorate that casts ballots is high, therefore they pursue methods of suppressing the vote. If you need to childishly call people that vote Democrat 'retards' to make yourself feel better about being a disgusting excuse for an American, then by all means, continue.
 
2012-11-26 07:26:45 PM

coeyagi: Unexpected results - call the other team retarded.TM


If it's good enough for Ann Coulter, it's good enough for the third-string Fark trolls!
 
2012-11-26 07:34:35 PM

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .


I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.
 
2012-11-26 07:37:58 PM

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.


Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.
 
2012-11-26 07:40:53 PM

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.


Maybe you should read the article again. It's all about Republican officials purposely being inefficient. I guess the solution is to vote the buggers out of office.
 
2012-11-26 07:41:13 PM

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.


Why, again, is encouraging the largest % of the electorate as possible to vote a bad thing?

Not being good for the GOP is not a valid answer.
 
2012-11-26 07:41:19 PM

Rann Xerox: [i78.photobucket.com image 210x195]

"Sherlock Holmes, his bowels constipated."


fav'd.
 
2012-11-26 07:46:51 PM

coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.


As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."
 
2012-11-26 07:48:17 PM

badhatharry: It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.


So what specifically is so bad about early voting?
 
2012-11-26 07:49:51 PM

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."


Neither is the Republican Party, so by your "logic" maybe we should outlaw the GOP.
 
2012-11-26 07:50:14 PM

badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."


And "all voting must take place on a single day" is?
 
2012-11-26 07:50:34 PM

badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."


As I might say: "It's not prohibited by the Constitution."

Try again. I'll be getting popcorn...
 
2012-11-26 07:51:10 PM

The Why Not Guy: badhatharry: It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

So what specifically is so bad about early voting?


Other than a form of "It's bad for the GOP", he refuses to answer that question.
 
2012-11-26 07:52:50 PM
Charlie Crist has nothing to lose at this point by dishing on the stuff that the rest of the GOP tried to get him to do. His days were numbered ever since he was a decent enough human being to recognize that as governor of all Floridians, not just Republicans, extending early voting in 2008 was the right thing to do. He's bringing it up now to draw a line in the sand for when he inevitably makes another run for governor in 2014. Only question is whether he switches over to the Dems between now and then or runs as an independent.
 
2012-11-26 07:54:12 PM
Both of you just get an id already
 
2012-11-26 07:54:13 PM

rynthetyn: Charlie Crist has nothing to lose at this point by dishing on the stuff that the rest of the GOP tried to get him to do. His days were numbered ever since he was a decent enough human being to recognize that as governor of all Floridians, not just Republicans, extending early voting in 2008 was the right thing to do. He's bringing it up now to draw a line in the sand for when he inevitably makes another run for governor in 2014. Only question is whether he switches over to the Dems between now and then or runs as an independent.


Speaking of Crist, minus two points on TFA for labeling Crist as a Republican. He is an Independent.
 
2012-11-26 07:54:32 PM

theknuckler_33: badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson:

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."

And "all voting must take place on a single day" is?


Yes. It's called election day. Article 2 Section 1.
 
2012-11-26 07:56:42 PM

coeyagi: As I might say: "It's not prohibited by the Constitution."


Bonus: The GOP's constant efforts to disenfranchise are.

/I know that you know that already.
//I doubt the trolls do, though.
 
2012-11-26 07:57:27 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson:

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."

And "all voting must take place on a single day" is?

Yes. It's called election day. Article 2 Section 1.


"The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States."

This still doesn't prohibit casting votes prior to said day. A limiting word such as "just" or "only" might help your cause.
 
2012-11-26 07:58:46 PM

The Why Not Guy: badhatharry: It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

So what specifically is so bad about early voting?


One of my derpy family members tried to justify it to me. To him, the election was supposed to represent a snapshot of what the country wanted to do on November 6th. To him early voting is pretty much tantamount to voter fraud because the dems were stealing people who could've been won over by Romney in those remaining few weeks before the election.
 
2012-11-26 08:00:23 PM

OmniView: Both of you just get an id already


Yes, obviously, when Republicans admit that they're trying to suppress black voting, the solution is to blame people who don't have ID.
 
2012-11-26 08:00:58 PM

badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.


It's pretty interesting watching your brain in action. Here is a clear case of corruption, where the former leader of the Florida Republicans comes out and admits the corruption, and yet your brain creates a reality where you think the alternative to this corruption is that the Democrats would be more corrupt.
 
2012-11-26 08:01:40 PM

CorporatePerson: The Why Not Guy: badhatharry: It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

So what specifically is so bad about early voting?

One of my derpy family members tried to justify it to me. To him, the election was supposed to represent a snapshot of what the country wanted to do on November 6th. To him early voting is pretty much tantamount to voter fraud because the dems were stealing people who could've been won over by Romney in those remaining few weeks before the election.


It's not that derpy of an argument, and I understand their point even if I don't agree, but honestly, shouldn't we adapt to the nature of our society? That people are much busier than we used to be? How does early voting influence one side over the other? And after the third debate, who, other than a handful of drool monkeys, hadn't decided?
 
2012-11-26 08:02:43 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson:

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."

And "all voting must take place on a single day" is?

Yes. It's called election day. Article 2 Section 1.


Interpreting that to mean early voting is unconstitutional is quite a stretch. In fact, it isn't difficult to imagine why no one has pursued such an argument as your's in order to get early voting tossed out of all states altogether.

In case you ARE having difficulty imagining why that hasn't happened, it is because it doesn't have chance in hell of succeeding.

In other words, you're wrong.

Why is encouraging the most voters from casting a ballot bad again?
 
2012-11-26 08:03:53 PM

coeyagi: badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."

As I might say: "It's not prohibited by the Constitution."

Try again. I'll be getting popcorn...


It's not a suggestion.
 
2012-11-26 08:04:10 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Hey how about a petition to have the feds look into the voter irregularities of this past election?


I would have thought a petition wouldn't be necessary. I cannot imagine why people are not being charged.
 
2012-11-26 08:05:49 PM

badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."

As I might say: "It's not prohibited by the Constitution."

Try again. I'll be getting popcorn...

It's not a suggestion.


It's not much of an argument either, especially since any constitutional challenge of such would fail.
 
2012-11-26 08:07:13 PM

badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


Which is, of course, why early voting in Texas was mainly between 9 am and 4:30 pm. To keep retards from voting, obviously. No sir, the Republicans in Texas weren't trying to keep a certain class of people from voting, no sir.

And stop trolling; it's unbecoming of a young lady.
 
2012-11-26 08:08:34 PM

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution." "Threats or no threats, I've laid bare the coming race war in our big cities."

 
2012-11-26 08:12:21 PM

moralpanic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

It's pretty interesting watching your brain in action. Here is a clear case of corruption, where the former leader of the Florida Republicans comes out and admits the corruption, and yet your brain creates a reality where you think the alternative to this corruption is that the Democrats would be more corrupt.


I don't see it as corruption. Early voting is a new thing. Democrats want to expand it to be "fair". Republicans want to restrict it to be "fair". They both lie about their motivations. They both just want the most votes That's politics.
 
2012-11-26 08:14:08 PM

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution.""Martin Luther King Jr. was a world-class adulterer who seduced underage girls and boys and replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration."

 
2012-11-26 08:14:54 PM

badhatharry: moralpanic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

It's pretty interesting watching your brain in action. Here is a clear case of corruption, where the former leader of the Florida Republicans comes out and admits the corruption, and yet your brain creates a reality where you think the alternative to this corruption is that the Democrats would be more corrupt.

I don't see it as corruption. Early voting is a new thing. Democrats want to expand it to be "fair". Republicans want to restrict it to be "fair". They both lie about their motivations. They both just want the most votes That's politics.


How is increasing overall voter turnout unfair? Use graphs, charts and crayons if you must.
 
2012-11-26 08:15:35 PM

badhatharry:
Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.


In your world, 8 hrs of waiting was because Democrats didn't want to vote on election day?

img585.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-26 08:16:04 PM

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution." "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

 
2012-11-26 08:16:50 PM

badhatharry:
I don't see it as corruption. Early voting is a new thing. Democrats want to expand it to be "fair". Republicans want to restrict it to be "fair". They both lie about their motivations. They both just want the most votes That's politics.


It's corruption when the purpose of the restriction was to suppress voters from voting... you know, by forcing them to take a day off work and wait in line for 8 hrs to cast a vote. THAT'S corruption.
 
2012-11-26 08:18:06 PM

badhatharry: moralpanic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

It's pretty interesting watching your brain in action. Here is a clear case of corruption, where the former leader of the Florida Republicans comes out and admits the corruption, and yet your brain creates a reality where you think the alternative to this corruption is that the Democrats would be more corrupt.

I don't see it as corruption. Early voting is a new thing. Democrats want to expand it to be "fair". Republicans want to restrict it to be "fair". They both lie about their motivations. They both just want the most votes That's politics.


"I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that's a big day when the black churches organize themselves," he said.

/They're not trying to be fair.
//And you're not trying to be honest about this.
 
2012-11-26 08:21:44 PM

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution.""Whether [the 1993 World Trade Center bombing] was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little."

 
2012-11-26 08:23:10 PM

CorporatePerson: One of my derpy family members tried to justify it to me. To him, the election was supposed to represent a snapshot of what the country wanted to do on November 6th. To him early voting is pretty much tantamount to voter fraud because the dems were stealing people who could've been won over by Romney in those remaining few weeks before the election.


But under that logic, isn't is also ensuring that people WON'T be won over by Obama during those last few weeks? The way they make it sound is that only Democrats get to vote early.
 
2012-11-26 08:24:08 PM

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution.""Gays in San Francisco do not obey the dictates of good sense. These men don't really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners. They enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."

 
2012-11-26 08:25:24 PM

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution." "Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

 
2012-11-26 08:28:10 PM

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution." "I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities."

 
2012-11-26 08:32:42 PM
badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution." "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs."
 
2012-11-26 08:34:28 PM
Question:

How big WERE these precincts with 8-9 hour lines? How many machines? Why did they have an 8-hour line to begin with?

/Just for comparison, the precinct I worked had ~750 day-of voters across 1 sign-in, 10 voting booths for a 1 page, double-sided ballot, and 1 tabulator. We had an hour line when we opened, worked that out by 11:00, and then never had a line after that.
 
2012-11-26 08:35:02 PM

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution.""I am human and I need to be loved, just live everybody else does!"


/Oh wait, wrong thread . . .
 
2012-11-26 08:38:37 PM

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution.""Contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society."

 
2012-11-26 08:48:40 PM

meyerkev: Question:

How big WERE these precincts with 8-9 hour lines? How many machines? Why did they have an 8-hour line to begin with?

/Just for comparison, the precinct I worked had ~750 day-of voters across 1 sign-in, 10 voting booths for a 1 page, double-sided ballot, and 1 tabulator. We had an hour line when we opened, worked that out by 11:00, and then never had a line after that.


Miami-Dade, where the longest lines were, had an 8 page ballot. The county where I worked as a poll watcher had a four page ballot and it took people about 20-30 minutes to vote the whole thing--it was about a 2 hour wait all day with a half dozen people handling check-in and, after they brought in more booths to try to speed things up, 40 booths. If you're talking an 8 page ballot and a place that doesn't have room for more than a couple dozen booths, it's going to take a long time.
 
2012-11-26 08:51:35 PM
I'd like to see the NAACP and AARP join in a civil RICO lawsuit charging the Republican party with a multi-state conspiracy to deny their members' right to vote. All those Republican state legislators who voted for these measures could be unindicted co-conspirators.
Putting some of these Republican operatives on the stand would be Must Watch TV.
 
2012-11-26 08:53:44 PM

HighOnCraic: [healthyinfluence.com image 525x393]

Unavailable for comment.
Probably because he's so shocked.


Surprised I had to scroll so far down to find that.

/first thought

meyerkev: Question:

How big WERE these precincts with 8-9 hour lines? How many machines? Why did they have an 8-hour line to begin with?

/Just for comparison, the precinct I worked had ~750 day-of voters across 1 sign-in, 10 voting booths for a 1 page, double-sided ballot, and 1 tabulator. We had an hour line when we opened, worked that out by 11:00, and then never had a line after that.


Not entirely sure, but it's kind of damning in either case. Either it was understaffed for too many people, or the precinct lines were cut really, really badly. Probably not on purpose, no sirree.

I worked (outside of, handing out lit and answering questions) a polling place in a mainly working class generally safe Dem precinct. Actually, two precincts, in one building. 2 hour wait. 1 1/2 hours at similar precincts my friends were at, pretty much all day. The SO forgot to change his address so had to go to his upper middle class pretty damn white suburban town to vote during what is usually a rush hour time for voting statewide (our breaks where I was were scheduled around it). He got out in 15 minutes. No one except the people at the front of the line at 7 AM on the dot where I was got out in 15 minutes all day. My cousin (middle class, safe Dem precinct) couldn't vote because she had allocated only 2 hours and had a plane to catch.

Maybe the safe Dem precincts got higher turnout than they expected. Maybe lots of anecdotal data is still anecdotal. Maybe the Republicans had a field day with redistricting in my state in 2011.

/shrug
 
2012-11-26 08:53:49 PM

badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution.""I think that taking part in a scripted debate against an actor portraying President Obama on Fox Business Channel is a good idea that will make people take me seriously as a presidential candidate."



Link
 
2012-11-26 08:57:31 PM

rynthetyn: 8 page ballot


rynthetyn: 8 page ballot

rynthetyn: 8 page ballot

 WTF? Do they vote for Assistant City DogCatcher down there?
 
2012-11-26 08:57:49 PM

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution.""I think that taking part in a scripted debate against an actor portraying President Obama on Fox Business Channel is a good idea that will make people take me seriously as a presidential candidate."


Link


Link
 
2012-11-26 08:58:23 PM

rynthetyn: meyerkev: Question:

How big WERE these precincts with 8-9 hour lines? How many machines? Why did they have an 8-hour line to begin with?

/Just for comparison, the precinct I worked had ~750 day-of voters across 1 sign-in, 10 voting booths for a 1 page, double-sided ballot, and 1 tabulator. We had an hour line when we opened, worked that out by 11:00, and then never had a line after that.

Miami-Dade, where the longest lines were, had an 8 page ballot. The county where I worked as a poll watcher had a four page ballot and it took people about 20-30 minutes to vote the whole thing--it was about a 2 hour wait all day with a half dozen people handling check-in and, after they brought in more booths to try to speed things up, 40 booths. If you're talking an 8 page ballot and a place that doesn't have room for more than a couple dozen booths, it's going to take a long time.


I recommend a Lawyerese-to-English translation on the ballots to speed things up.
 
2012-11-26 08:59:54 PM

Ambivalence: MrBallou: How is this not illegal?

How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.


If the law is set to defraud someone of their right to vote, isn't that considered voter fraud?

If a law is designed to deny a specific group of people to the right to vote, isn't that discrimination?
 
2012-11-26 09:01:21 PM

badhatharry: rynthetyn: meyerkev: Question:

How big WERE these precincts with 8-9 hour lines? How many machines? Why did they have an 8-hour line to begin with?

/Just for comparison, the precinct I worked had ~750 day-of voters across 1 sign-in, 10 voting booths for a 1 page, double-sided ballot, and 1 tabulator. We had an hour line when we opened, worked that out by 11:00, and then never had a line after that.

Miami-Dade, where the longest lines were, had an 8 page ballot. The county where I worked as a poll watcher had a four page ballot and it took people about 20-30 minutes to vote the whole thing--it was about a 2 hour wait all day with a half dozen people handling check-in and, after they brought in more booths to try to speed things up, 40 booths. If you're talking an 8 page ballot and a place that doesn't have room for more than a couple dozen booths, it's going to take a long time.

I recommend a Lawyerese-to-EnglishSpanish translation on the ballots to speed things up.

 
2012-11-26 09:02:16 PM

Alphakronik: Ambivalence: MrBallou: How is this not illegal?

How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.

If the law is set to defraud someone of their right to vote, isn't that considered voter fraud?

If a law is designed to deny a specific group of people to the right to vote, isn't that discrimination?


Yes, but proving intent is the trick. Some hearsay from some GOP operatives might not do it. You'd have to prove that those who drafted the bill had that intent.
 
2012-11-26 09:02:42 PM

badhatharry: I don't see it as corruption. Early voting is a new thing. Democrats want to expand it to be "fair". Republicans want to restrict it to be "fair". They both lie about their motivations. They both just want the most votes That's politics.


Both Sides Are Bad. Assuming you can't distinguish between letting everyone vote and making it intentionally difficult to vote.
 
2012-11-26 09:06:48 PM
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2012-11-26 09:09:25 PM

badhatharry: rynthetyn: meyerkev: Question:

How big WERE these precincts with 8-9 hour lines? How many machines? Why did they have an 8-hour line to begin with?

/Just for comparison, the precinct I worked had ~750 day-of voters across 1 sign-in, 10 voting booths for a 1 page, double-sided ballot, and 1 tabulator. We had an hour line when we opened, worked that out by 11:00, and then never had a line after that.

Miami-Dade, where the longest lines were, had an 8 page ballot. The county where I worked as a poll watcher had a four page ballot and it took people about 20-30 minutes to vote the whole thing--it was about a 2 hour wait all day with a half dozen people handling check-in and, after they brought in more booths to try to speed things up, 40 booths. If you're talking an 8 page ballot and a place that doesn't have room for more than a couple dozen booths, it's going to take a long time.

I recommend a Lawyerese-to-English translation on the ballots to speed things up.


Ah, so they stuck the proposal language on the ballot. We stuck it out in the hall, said "Read This BEFORE Entering", stuck a 2-sentence English translation on the ballot, and didn't have a problem (Probably took 2-3 minutes for the entire voting process from application to tabulation). If that hadn't been the case, it would have been a huge deal, and taken way longer.

/We also had a help desk, so if there was a problem, we could take people out of line and keep it moving.
//We were also a half poor young black/half poor to middle class white with some scattered Indians precinct in a lightly Republican district.
 
2012-11-26 09:11:10 PM

coeyagi: Alphakronik: Ambivalence: MrBallou: How is this not illegal?

How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.

If the law is set to defraud someone of their right to vote, isn't that considered voter fraud?

If a law is designed to deny a specific group of people to the right to vote, isn't that discrimination?

Yes, but proving intent is the trick. Some hearsay from some GOP operatives might not do it. You'd have to prove that those who drafted the bill had that intent.


Even then, I don't think you can arrest legislators for legislating.
 
2012-11-26 09:12:26 PM

JAYoung: I'd like to see the NAACP and AARP join in a civil RICO lawsuit charging the Republican party with a multi-state conspiracy to deny their members' right to vote. All those Republican state legislators who voted for these measures could be unindicted co-conspirators.
Putting some of these Republican operatives on the stand would be Must Watch TV.


I want to know when the criminal investigation begins.
 
2012-11-26 09:27:14 PM

coeyagi: Yes, but proving intent is the trick. Some hearsay from some GOP operatives might not do it. You'd have to prove that those who drafted the bill had that intent.


"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done." - Mike Turzai (R).
 
2012-11-26 09:29:08 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: coeyagi: Yes, but proving intent is the trick. Some hearsay from some GOP operatives might not do it. You'd have to prove that those who drafted the bill had that intent.

"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done." - Mike Turzai (R).


I am no lawyer, but I know there are plenty of liberal ones in PA, I am sure that if they thought they had a case, they'd bring it. We'll see...
 
2012-11-26 09:39:44 PM

SilentStrider: MaudlinMutantMollusk: My only surprise is that they'd admit it

Same here. They're getting more brazen.


Read like in-house fighting to me. Christi expanded hours, his successor reduced them- Christi admits to the reduction of hours as intended as a means of voter reduction.
 
2012-11-26 09:40:24 PM

JohnnyC: Want to know how incredibly unpopular the Republican party is... They cheated and they still couldn't win.

I don't expect them to learn the right lesson here... I suspect they will choose "cheat more" over "earn the trust of the voters".


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2012-11-26 09:41:49 PM

coeyagi: Fluorescent Testicle: coeyagi: Yes, but proving intent is the trick. Some hearsay from some GOP operatives might not do it. You'd have to prove that those who drafted the bill had that intent.

"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done." - Mike Turzai (R).

I am no lawyer, but I know there are plenty of liberal ones in PA, I am sure that if they thought they had a case, they'd bring it. We'll see...


Of all the things that happened during the election, this quote inspired me the most to wreck every candidate with an "R" next to their name.
 
2012-11-26 09:43:16 PM

StopLurkListen: coeyagi: Fluorescent Testicle: coeyagi: Yes, but proving intent is the trick. Some hearsay from some GOP operatives might not do it. You'd have to prove that those who drafted the bill had that intent.

"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done." - Mike Turzai (R).

I am no lawyer, but I know there are plenty of liberal ones in PA, I am sure that if they thought they had a case, they'd bring it. We'll see...

Of all the things that happened during the election, this quote inspired me the most to wreck every candidate with an "R" next to their name.


Then I hope you're a lawyer who can sodomize the "Rs" for their shenanigans. Sadly, I don't see it happening.
 
2012-11-26 09:46:59 PM

coeyagi: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

[citation needed]


well can't have an October surprise for the media if everyone's done voting early now... but on the negative side they can run ads for half year... and debates would be less than useless... and what if a candidate knows they already won and just throws the lulz like a hs senior bombing the final because they'll pass even with a 0....
 
2012-11-26 09:51:34 PM

abb3w: MrBallou: How is this not illegal?
Ambivalence: How can a law be illegal? Unconstitutional, sure, but not illegal.

Dunno. It might make for an interesting circus to indict all the Florida legislators who voted for those laws, alleging that they were engaged in a conspiracy to oppress the free exercise of the franchise per 18 USC § 241. I don't think it would survive trial, much less the resulting appeals, but it would make for spectacular political theater.


Alan Grayson ought to pick this football up and run with it.
 
2012-11-26 09:52:56 PM

clowncar on fire: SilentStrider: MaudlinMutantMollusk: My only surprise is that they'd admit it

Same here. They're getting more brazen.

Read like in-house fighting to me. Christi expanded hours, his successor reduced them- Christi admits to the reduction of hours as intended as a means of voter reduction.


Crist, not Christi. As in Charlie Crist, who left the GOP because the tea party turned on him for accepting stimulus money.
 
2012-11-26 09:56:14 PM

clowncar on fire: SilentStrider: MaudlinMutantMollusk: My only surprise is that they'd admit it

Same here. They're getting more brazen.

Read like in-house fighting to me. Christi expanded hours, his successor reduced them- Christi admits to the reduction of hours as intended as a means of voter reduction.


Oh, well, in that case, it's no big deal.

Right?
 
2012-11-26 10:04:38 PM

badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."


Article I, Section 4:

Section. 4.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

Article II, Section 1

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

This means that each state can decided to have early voting if they so desire.
 
2012-11-26 10:09:28 PM
More and more, Republicans are shiatting on everything even Republicans fought for during the cold war. Making a mockery of the voting process? Only Communist tyrannies did that.
 
2012-11-26 10:14:34 PM

coeyagi: Then I hope you're a lawyer who can sodomize the "Rs" for their shenanigans. Sadly, I don't see it happening.


Actually, a good number of people on this tab are lawyers, or at least in law school. No clue what states they live in, though.
 
2012-11-26 10:20:33 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: coeyagi: Then I hope you're a lawyer who can sodomize the "Rs" for their shenanigans. Sadly, I don't see it happening.

Actually, a good number of people on this tab are lawyers, or at least in law school. No clue what states they live in, though.


As qorkfiend said though, can you really prosecute a legislator for legislating? Isn't the point of the legislative process to vote up the good ideas and vote down the bad ones, ESPECIALLY when the motive is clear?
 
2012-11-26 10:30:13 PM

coeyagi: Fluorescent Testicle: coeyagi: Then I hope you're a lawyer who can sodomize the "Rs" for their shenanigans. Sadly, I don't see it happening.

Actually, a good number of people on this tab are lawyers, or at least in law school. No clue what states they live in, though.

As qorkfiend said though, can you really prosecute a legislator for legislating? Isn't the point of the legislative process to vote up the good ideas and vote down the bad ones, ESPECIALLY when the motive is clear?


As I understand it, and I'm not entirely sure I do, once a law is passed, the only way to make it "illegal" is via the courts. A law can't be "illegal" in the sense that it breaks another law--if someone were to pass a law making murder legal, for instance, then either that law or the prior law would be invalid. They couldn't both be valid laws.

With regards to the voter ID laws, they can be unconstitutional, but if they were passed by the legislature and voted on by the public (or whatever is necessary to put them on the books in a particular state--like in CA they have to be on the ballot as a referendum) then it is legal and valid unless or until someone takes it to court and a judge declares it in violation of another state statute, or the state constitution, or the US Constitution. But it wouldn't be "against the law" as in violating a penal code or something like that. Nobody broke a law and can get arrested for enforcing it, if that's what you mean.
 
2012-11-26 10:31:36 PM

Gyrfalcon: coeyagi: Fluorescent Testicle: coeyagi: Then I hope you're a lawyer who can sodomize the "Rs" for their shenanigans. Sadly, I don't see it happening.

Actually, a good number of people on this tab are lawyers, or at least in law school. No clue what states they live in, though.

As qorkfiend said though, can you really prosecute a legislator for legislating? Isn't the point of the legislative process to vote up the good ideas and vote down the bad ones, ESPECIALLY when the motive is clear?

As I understand it, and I'm not entirely sure I do, once a law is passed, the only way to make it "illegal" is via the courts. A law can't be "illegal" in the sense that it breaks another law--if someone were to pass a law making murder legal, for instance, then either that law or the prior law would be invalid. They couldn't both be valid laws.

With regards to the voter ID laws, they can be unconstitutional, but if they were passed by the legislature and voted on by the public (or whatever is necessary to put them on the books in a particular state--like in CA they have to be on the ballot as a referendum) then it is legal and valid unless or until someone takes it to court and a judge declares it in violation of another state statute, or the state constitution, or the US Constitution. But it wouldn't be "against the law" as in violating a penal code or something like that. Nobody broke a law and can get arrested for enforcing it, if that's what you mean.


Yes, that's what I mean. It would make them hellacious dickheads, not criminals.
 
2012-11-26 10:44:04 PM

47 is the new 42: badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."

Article I, Section 4:

Section. 4.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

Article II, Section 1

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislat ...


You left out the end..

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That means the election is to be held on the same Day thoughout the US.
 
2012-11-26 10:50:03 PM
Okay, single model of voting machine. Electronic, AND a paper ballot that the voter sees before the ballot is cast. Anything amiss and that ballot, both paper and electronic, are invalidated. Expand the FEC and grant them the power to set up secure networks in all fifty states and territories. They also develop the software for the machine under the supervision of the DOJ and the FBI. Any laws about voter ID shall not be enforced until Federal courts have ruled on it. Oh, and any attempt at voter suppresion or vote rigging shall be construed as Sedition. Comments?
 
2012-11-26 10:51:49 PM

badhatharry: 47 is the new 42: badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."

Article I, Section 4:

Section. 4.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

Article II, Section 1

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Mann ...


You'd think some real life law-talking guy would've already tried to use that idea in a lawsuit to block early voting. And would this apply to absentee ballots as well?
 
2012-11-26 10:55:45 PM

HighOnCraic: badhatharry: 47 is the new 42: badhatharry: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.

It's not right to have to wait 3-8 hours on election day. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If only there was something that could be done to allow people to vote earlier than election day. . .

I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea. Maybe more stations or a simpler ballot. I can't wait for Obamacare.

Or even having early voting which increases voter turnout.

You still haven't given a plausible objection to early voting other than getting people not in your tribe to vote early.

As Ron Paul might say, "It's not in the Constitution."

Article I, Section 4:

Section. 4.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

Article II, Section 1

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, ...


WHOA partner! Getting rid of absentee ballots would hurt the right-leaning military!

//still waiting for someone to explain how the left isn't advocating that despite the right advocating getting rid of early voting
//"both sides are bad.... except in this case (and many others) when one side isn't trying to f*ck people out of rights"
 
2012-11-26 11:13:54 PM

coeyagi: //still waiting for someone to explain how the left isn't advocating that despite the right advocating getting rid of early voting
//"both sides are bad.... except in this case (and many others) when one side isn't trying to f*ck people out of rights"


I can't speak for anyone else, but I know I had a few conversations with the Obama campaign lawyer who was working voter protection in my area about how messed up it is that people would actually try to make it harder for anyone to vote. Obviously, you hope that the people who are turning out are voting for your guy, but the only focus I saw in all of my months of recruiting people to do voter protection in Florida was on making sure that the process worked and that everybody who was eligible to vote and wanted to do so could.

For one side, the idea of keeping people from voting was unthinkable, for the other side it was the standard operating procedure.
 
2012-11-26 11:23:03 PM
So they are a bunch of scumbags, that's OK because they are the party of Jesus and God.

Thy were just following the will of God and emulating Jesus. From this lessons I have learned the following:

1) Conservatives think God loves lying scumbags.
2) Conservatives think Jesus was a lying scumbag.

Otherwise, why would have they done such a thing?
 
2012-11-26 11:29:11 PM
Though the state ultimately went to President Obama, the Republican effort to suppress votes was largely successful.

That is funny, that it is considered "successful".... which means if all of that crap wasn't in place, Obama would have probably won Florida by 4-5%.
 
2012-11-26 11:30:25 PM

coeyagi: Retard voters? Ok, time to post this again:

2008 Educational Rankings:

Blue States Average: 20.5
Red States Average: 32.4


What was the educational ranking of? Creationism taught in schools?

Here's a real ranking by level of education achieved:

thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com
 
2012-11-26 11:35:15 PM

Zasteva: coeyagi: Retard voters? Ok, time to post this again:

2008 Educational Rankings:

Blue States Average: 20.5
Red States Average: 32.4

What was the educational ranking of? Creationism taught in schools?

Here's a real ranking by level of education achieved:

[thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com image 850x923]


I wonder how Kansas does though if you throw out going to Liberty or Oral Roberts.
 
2012-11-26 11:35:47 PM

badhatharry: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

That means the election is to be held on the same Day thoughout the US.


Yes, the Day on which they [the Electors] shall give their Votes must be the same throughout the United States. It is: Dec 17th.
 
2012-11-26 11:37:50 PM

coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

Retard voters? Ok, time to post this again:

2008 Educational Rankings:

Blue States Average: 20.5
Red States Average: 32.4


Could the statistic be because the retarded high schools in red states are easy to pass?

Typical high exit exam in a red state: How many angels dance on the head of a pin? (secret answer: potato)
 
2012-11-26 11:40:07 PM

badhatharry: I guess demanding that the government be more efficient is a silly idea.


Since in this case the government in question was run by a Republican governor and a Republican supermajority in the legislature, yes it probably would have been a silly idea.
 
2012-11-26 11:44:05 PM

Zasteva: badhatharry: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

That means the election is to be held on the same Day thoughout the US.

Yes, the Day on which they [the Electors] shall give their Votes must be the same throughout the United States. It is: Dec 17th.


Wow...why didn't any of us pick up on that earlier.
 
2012-11-27 12:00:53 AM

Mrtraveler01: Zasteva: badhatharry: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

That means the election is to be held on the same Day thoughout the US.

Yes, the Day on which they [the Electors] shall give their Votes must be the same throughout the United States. It is: Dec 17th.

Wow...why didn't any of us pick up on that earlier.


Something something feeding trolls.
 
2012-11-27 12:01:29 AM

Mrtraveler01: Zasteva: badhatharry: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

That means the election is to be held on the same Day thoughout the US.

Yes, the Day on which they [the Electors] shall give their Votes must be the same throughout the United States. It is: Dec 17th.

Wow...why didn't any of us pick up on that earlier.


Probably because the Constitution isn't written in modern english :-/
 
2012-11-27 12:04:45 AM

rosebud_the_sled: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

Retard voters? Ok, time to post this again:

2008 Educational Rankings:

Blue States Average: 20.5
Red States Average: 32.4

Could the statistic be because the retarded high schools in red states are easy to pass?

Typical high exit exam in a red state: How many angels dance on the head of a pin? (secret answer: potato)


I wonder if we are misunderstanding this. As a ranking, perhaps the lower numbers would be the highest ranked states? So if the average of the blue states is lower, closer to one, then that means they are collectively ranked above the red states. Very confusing. I like the chart I posted above better.
 
2012-11-27 12:55:11 AM
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harfobama.files.wordpress.com

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2012-11-27 01:37:24 AM

Zasteva: rosebud_the_sled: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

Retard voters? Ok, time to post this again:

2008 Educational Rankings:

Blue States Average: 20.5
Red States Average: 32.4

Could the statistic be because the retarded high schools in red states are easy to pass?

Typical high exit exam in a red state: How many angels dance on the head of a pin? (secret answer: potato)

I wonder if we are misunderstanding this. As a ranking, perhaps the lower numbers would be the highest ranked states? So if the average of the blue states is lower, closer to one, then that means they are collectively ranked above the red states. Very confusing. I like the chart I posted above better.


Yes, the concept of rankings being lower meaning they're better is a very difficult one.

We're #47! We're #47! -Some Red State

//you're doing it wrong, fly over state
 
2012-11-27 03:15:46 AM

CorporatePerson: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

Since the election all my ditto head friends have been parrotting this "early voting = voter fraud" talking point.


Actually it's 'Democrat winng = voter fraud'. Funny thing is that they ignore the REAL voter fraud when their own people do it.

EVERY time.
 
2012-11-27 05:04:08 AM

CorporatePerson: badhatharry: Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

For months I had been convincing all my friends and family to vote early, sending them articles about voter suppression laws passed by the GOP and telling them "There's probably gonna be a lot of shennanigans this election day. Might as well vote early and skip all the hassle." I got alot of people to vote early for the first time.

In the leadup to the next election I'm gonna send them articles about how people in Florida had to wait in line sometimes for 3-8 hours just to vote. Why deal with that? Vote as early as possible.


This.

I always vote early. It started out as an "avoid the lines" thing, but now I also volunteer to work on election day. 24-7 businesses like hotels, hospitals, police officers, etc just can't close down to let their entire staff stand in line for 8 hours. Breaking that up and allowing folks to vote on different days is necessary for those businesses that are always open, especially in precincts with all-day lines.

I think the previous "six months" comment is a little ridiculous, but I am definitely in favour of officially turning "voting day" into "voting week".
 
2012-11-27 07:38:58 AM

coeyagi: Zasteva: rosebud_the_sled: coeyagi: badhatharry: HighOnCraic: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

As long as everyone was allowed to vote, why would extending early voting be a bad thing for either party?

/Or were you just trying to find some way to spin this as "Dems bad!!!!111!!!"?

Democrats like early voting because it gives them more time to coral all their retard voters that can't just show up and vote on election day. That's why Republicans don't like it.

Retard voters? Ok, time to post this again:

2008 Educational Rankings:

Blue States Average: 20.5
Red States Average: 32.4

Could the statistic be because the retarded high schools in red states are easy to pass?

Typical high exit exam in a red state: How many angels dance on the head of a pin? (secret answer: potato)

I wonder if we are misunderstanding this. As a ranking, perhaps the lower numbers would be the highest ranked states? So if the average of the blue states is lower, closer to one, then that means they are collectively ranked above the red states. Very confusing. I like the chart I posted above better.

Yes, the concept of rankings being lower meaning they're better is a very difficult one.

We're #47! We're #47! -Some Red State

//you're doing it wrong, fly over state


It's the averaging that makes it confusing. We're #32.4 !! :-)
 
2012-11-27 08:22:54 AM
From the tea party perspective, if their efforts could have excluded 40% of the black vote they would be returning to the original 3/5ths intent in the constitution.
 
2012-11-27 10:39:21 AM

badhatharry: You left out the end..

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.



You seem to be having a difficult time with the concept of the Electoral Collage.

As a free clue, please not the parts of the Constitution you are quoting refers to their actions, not to the methods of selecting the Electors. That is done by the State as the see fit (with some minor restritions)


Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.


"in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct". If the state legislature wants to have a protracted election process to pick their Electors, with early voting and everything, then fark you, the Constitution allows it. 

Geesh, isn't there a Scholastic Rock episode or something you can watch that explains this, if plain reading can't do it for you?
 
2012-11-27 11:03:48 AM

Mikey1969: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

Since the election all my ditto head friends have been parrotting this "early voting = voter fraud" talking point.

Actually it's 'Democrat winning = voter fraud'. Funny thing is that they ignore the REAL voter fraud when their own people do it.

EVERY time.


And the best part..... ..... ..... forever!
 
2012-11-27 11:06:05 AM

Mikey1969: CorporatePerson: badhatharry: And Democrats would like early voting to last 6 months.

Since the election all my ditto head friends have been parrotting this "early voting = voter fraud" talking point.

Actually it's 'Democrat winng = voter fraud'. Funny thing is that they ignore the REAL voter fraud when their own people do it.

EVERY time.


The facebook friend who keeps posting stuff accusing the Democrats of voter fraud actually committed it himself in 2000. For realsies.
 
2012-11-27 11:45:53 PM
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2012-11-28 12:51:46 AM
You are gonna have to shoot me dead before you keep me from exercising my gods given right to vote.

FARK YOU.
 
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