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(CNN)   At the Microsoft store directly across from the Apple store at the Mall of America, Surface tablets are flying off the shelf at the amazing hourly rate of.... wait for it... ZERO, compared to eleven iPads   (tech.fortune.cnn.com) divider line 27
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2012-11-26 02:23:17 PM
3 votes:

EatHam: There is no superior product, just what works best for what it is you want to do.  I'd never argue that an iPhone is better than an Android phone, but I know which one my father can work.


No, but there is a superior philosophy, if walled gardens win the consumers lose

Imagine if car companies could fit oddly shaped gas caps to your car so you had to go to certain gas stations, same principal
2012-11-26 09:31:07 PM
2 votes:

Kazan: ParanoidAgnostic: I've also heard disturbing rumors that windows 9 will go completely walled-garden.

won't happen. tell whoever told you that to get their head out of their ass and imagine all the lawsuits microsoft wants to avoid


I know, it sounds stupid. But with Windows RT MS seems determined to copy the worst 'feature' of iOS. When they get a taste of getting a cut of all software sold for their system I worry they won't want to go back to the old ways.
2012-11-26 05:45:06 PM
2 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Once again, MS arrives a few years late and millions of dollars short, then wonders why no one will buy their stuff. Did the Windows Phone and the Zune teach them nothing?


MS has had a mobile OS since 1996. Long before Mr Turtleneck even dreamed of making a smart phone.

I bet you think Apple invented the MP3 player and the tablet computer too.
2012-11-26 05:21:31 PM
2 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: zedster: IDK, I always open terminal and then emacs on the laptops at the store. It confuses them

Of course they were. How did you download and install that without admin privileges and the password?

/You do know that pico is the built-in editor, right?
//Go vim yourself, poser.


You can ssh into a server and run emacs on it through terminal?
2012-11-26 09:21:05 PM
1 votes:

ParanoidAgnostic: I've also heard disturbing rumors that windows 9 will go completely walled-garden.


won't happen. tell whoever told you that to get their head out of their ass and imagine all the lawsuits microsoft wants to avoid
2012-11-26 09:16:38 PM
1 votes:
The hyperactive wide-eyed 'Up With People!' style commercials just seem desperate. LOOK AT THIS AWESOME COOL NEW THING! Yeah, whatever.

I'd love to try out the tiles on a tablet - I always love poking around a novel new interface - but there is no way in hell the company I work for is ever going to adopt Windows 8. In this economy we just don't have the the time to waste on employees trying to learn a whole new method of getting their work done.

Time is money.
2012-11-26 08:01:53 PM
1 votes:

Beta Tested: I feel like I am living in bizarro world. I installed Win8 with great trepidation but loved it almost immediately. I was used to the FEW new controls there are within an hour and every once in a while I have to Google something I can't figure out. I actually don't think I've had to Google where stuff is any more than I did when switching to Vista and 7.

And once I was used to it and configured it the way I liked it, it is faster and smoother than 7. The start menu was completely useless past the few pinned items.


You're online, in a forum that pushes and promotes polarization. Oddly enough, folks are not just buying Surface tablets, but using them, too, and enjoying the experience. As well as Apple tablets, and Android tablets, and...

Apple folks see threats, not products, and are performing all sorts of media attacks, both paid and unpaid, to push back on both Microsoft and Google's product offerings. Every time someone buys a Microsoft or Google tablet, Apple isn't just losing that razor-thin hardware profit, but the luscious, fatted software profit on which their efforts are based. There are kids romping outside of Apple's playground. It's fun to watch, especially if you're like me and you see this silly, obvious wave across just about every IT-savvy online media outlet.

I'm sure danah boyd's having a laugh, too.
2012-11-26 07:55:24 PM
1 votes:
images.gizmag.com

This is what I'm waiting for. Hang on. It's sitting right here on my desk. I guess I'm not waiting any more.
2012-11-26 06:40:48 PM
1 votes:

imgod2u: That being said, all programs developed for Windows 8 will be able to run on both RT and Pro


Only if that program was compiled to run on ARM processors as well as x64/x86. The developer has the option to choose whether or not to compile for ARM and Windows RT platforms. Windows RT installations cannot natively run x86 or x64 applications.
2012-11-26 06:18:00 PM
1 votes:

Kazan: Theaetetus: The latter, albeit to make a point about the widespread ubiquity of "walled gardens" and how that complaint shows a stunning naivete.

there are different levels of walled gardens though. Apple's is "Fort Knox" (walled software, hardware, etc) whereas Windows Store is "US/Canada Border" (Metro App QA gate)


you do realize you can still write traditional desktop apps, and have them installed the traditional way - right?

Yes, I know you're referring to iOS rather than OSX, but you had the same response when I was referring to Windows Phone rather than Windows desktop OS. Both are locked down on mobile devices and wide open on desktops or laptops.

Android is "spread legged hooker" (With just as many diseases)

Although, that said, many Android device manufacturers include a walled garden of pre-installed proprietary apps that you can't remove without rooting and wiping the device. So, maybe Android is an "unfenced lawn" in front of the garden.
2012-11-26 05:57:35 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Also, I'd like to upload an App to the Windows Store, but I don't want to register or pay money... you can help with that, right?


you do realize you can still write traditional desktop apps, and have them installed the traditional way - right?

or are you just concern trolling with your head up your ass?
2012-11-26 05:57:29 PM
1 votes:

ThatGuyGreg: I will never, in my life, understand peoples' wild-eyed allegiance to corporations. Generational thing? Probably... I just don't get it.


bite-prod.s3.amazonaws.com

nbcsportsmedia3.msnbc.com

IF you consider that these are also multi-million dollar corporations as well, it doesn't seem that weird. People just have a need to belong to a community, and those geeky among us will get sucked into tech or entertainment turf wars just as easily as most people get into sports team rivalries. On the bright side, at least it is not this:

static.guim.co.uk
2012-11-26 05:48:30 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: zedster: EatHam: There is no superior product, just what works best for what it is you want to do.  I'd never argue that an iPhone is better than an Android phone, but I know which one my father can work.

No, but there is a superior philosophy, if walled gardens win the consumers lose

Agreed. Can you send me a copy of the source code for Windows 8, incidentally? Also, I'd like to upload an App to the Windows Store, but I don't want to register or pay money... you can help with that, right?


There's a difference between open source and an open platform and you know it.
2012-11-26 05:21:41 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Once again, MS arrives a few years late and millions of dollars short, then wonders why no one will buy their stuff. Did the Windows Phone and the Zune teach them nothing?


SweetSaws: Ok, i tried it out by installing it on a virtual machine (Hyper-V) with 4 GB of memory, 1 processor, and it seemed to lag quite a bit. Also, i couldn't figure out how to enable remote access. ALSO, NO GOD DAMN START BUTTON. So, I faced all of these fundamental problems in the first 5 minutes of using it. What's so good about it?


did your host have SLAT enabled?

also Wiki: Features New to Windows 8

/required disclaimer: i work for M
//I hate the new start screen too
2012-11-26 05:07:48 PM
1 votes:

jayhawk88: styckx: L.D. Ablo: Windows 8 is Vista redux.

Windows 8 is actually really good.. Microsoft just has done an absolutely shiatty job advertising it and any questions and critiques regarding it are responded by putting their fingers in their ears and saying "I CAN"T HEAR YOU I CAN"T HEAR YOU"..

Metro has been blown so completely out of proportion it's ridiculous.

You can get used to Metro, sure, but the thing is, from a desktop perspective it's change for the sake of change. There's no good reason to do that to the Start Menu. On a tablet or some kind of touch screen sure, makes sense and probably is a lot more efficient. But on a desktop, it's just something you have to adapt to.


I dunno, the Start Menu is nigh useless in 7. I only ever use the "Pin to Start Menu", and the search box. Everything else is ignored. The list of programs is totally useless since it gets too long, and when was the last time you ever used the "Documents", "Pictures" or "Music" links from there?
2012-11-26 05:06:48 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: I don't get the corporational allegiance of Apple people either. I use Windows 7 and have Android phone, but I wouldn't call myself loyal to Microsoft or Google. They just have the better products. If you aren't an iFanatic and you actually compare products, you realize you're paying a farkton more for a product that is questionable at best in superiority. Plus I'm not buying shiat that's locked down like iPhones are.


You biatch about 'iFanatics' with the same zeal as those iFanatics you somehow despise . I at least get people who love certain things. I don't get those that feel the need to bash other peoples toys because you think your toy is prettier.

/and the 90s called - he wants his tired anti-apple arguments back
2012-11-26 04:58:16 PM
1 votes:

zedster: EatHam: There is no superior product, just what works best for what it is you want to do.  I'd never argue that an iPhone is better than an Android phone, but I know which one my father can work.

No, but there is a superior philosophy, if walled gardens win the consumers lose


Agreed. Can you send me a copy of the source code for Windows 8, incidentally? Also, I'd like to upload an App to the Windows Store, but I don't want to register or pay money... you can help with that, right?

Imagine if car companies could fit oddly shaped gas caps to your car so you had to go to certain gas stations, same principal

cdn-store.shopandroid.com
2012-11-26 04:55:18 PM
1 votes:
apple fan bois are like starbucks coffee drinkers, its not so much about the product as about being seen buying the product.
2012-11-26 02:42:02 PM
1 votes:

BunkyBrewman: xynix: This is what I'm waiting for: The 8 hour Asus Taichi 

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As much as I love Asus products, I just don't get the two screen thing on that device.


For me it will be 100% business tool. Right now I have an iPad for short trips and a laptop for long trips. This will simply combine both technologies. I can read kindle books on it like a tablet and quickly write emails on the keyboard. It's a niche thing as I'm not sure a lot of people would get much use out of it. May be really good for students too though.

It's just giving me the advantages of both a tablet and a laptop in a single device which means I can board a plane with just it on day trips and put it in my suit bag on longer trips. Small, light, long battery life.
2012-11-26 02:38:49 PM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Windows 8 is Vista redux.


Windows 8 on a tablet (e.g. Surface) makes sense.

On a PC or laptop, especially without a touchscreen, it does not. Yeah you can click a few times and get to a more-or-less mouse/key friendly UI, but so what?

No idea why they thought unifying the interfaces across devices with completely different input hardware made any sense whatsoever.
2012-11-26 02:31:34 PM
1 votes:

EatHam: There is no superior product, just what works best for what it is you want to do.  I'd never argue that an iPhone is better than an Android phone, but I know which one my father can work.


I try using an iPhone, and I feel like a kid playing with a toy. Like those emergency phones you can get for kids that call Mom, Dad, and 911, but nothing else. It's one goddamn button. I have a Droid 4 and I LOVE the keyboard, plus there is something besides a home button.
2012-11-26 02:30:52 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: I've never been to an Apple store as I do not have any Apple products other than my Ipod. But I get the impression the quality of Apple geeks working there is much higher than at MS.


They are certainly hotter, which is what usually draws me in, but ask them anything beyond the basics and they get just as flustered. That said, every time I have had an issue with one of my machines they have been very helpful and timely.
2012-11-26 02:12:13 PM
1 votes:

ThatGuyGreg: Meh, the Microsoft store near me is always jammed, a constant flow of people walking out with bags o' stuff. With the Christmas season in full gear, it's definitely more of an Xbox store than a Surface store, but whatever, I'll keep my cheerleading for various forms of sportsball.

I will never, in my life, understand peoples' wild-eyed allegiance to corporations. Generational thing? Probably... I just don't get it.


I don't get the corporational allegiance of Apple people either. I use Windows 7 and have Android phone, but I wouldn't call myself loyal to Microsoft or Google. They just have the better products. If you aren't an iFanatic and you actually compare products, you realize you're paying a farkton more for a product that is questionable at best in superiority. Plus I'm not buying shiat that's locked down like iPhones are.
2012-11-26 02:10:33 PM
1 votes:
A good friend of mine picked up a Samsung Slate tablet running Windows 8. I played with it for about half an hour and did not want to give it back. I would have traded in my iPad right there for it (granted, the tablet was about $550 more expensive than my iPad, but still).

But I'll be keeping my iMac. The operating system would be a nightmare to navigate without a touchscreen.
2012-11-26 01:57:58 PM
1 votes:
Meh, the Microsoft store near me is always jammed, a constant flow of people walking out with bags o' stuff. With the Christmas season in full gear, it's definitely more of an Xbox store than a Surface store, but whatever, I'll keep my cheerleading for various forms of sportsball.

I will never, in my life, understand peoples' wild-eyed allegiance to corporations. Generational thing? Probably... I just don't get it.
2012-11-26 01:48:38 PM
1 votes:
Windows 8 is Vista redux.
2012-11-26 01:39:55 PM
1 votes:
...and more people eat McDonald's than In-N-Out burgers.
 
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