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(CNN)   At the Microsoft store directly across from the Apple store at the Mall of America, Surface tablets are flying off the shelf at the amazing hourly rate of.... wait for it... ZERO, compared to eleven iPads   (tech.fortune.cnn.com) divider line 188
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2012-11-26 05:25:04 PM  
also.. Microsoft Tablet PC . let's be accurate as to who was first to market...

Apple did the same thing with PDAs - they had the Apple Newton, right concept.. but tech/market not ready. Palm comes along at the right time and is lucky
Microsoft did the same thing with tablets, except Apple was the benefactor of proper timing this time.
 
2012-11-26 05:25:38 PM  

styckx: Shoppers at the Apple Store bought an average of 11 iPads per hour. Despite heavy TV, print and billboard advertising for the new Microsoft Surface tablet, not one was sold sold during the two hours Piper Jaffray spent monitoring that store. Doesn't bode well for Microsoft's answer to the iPad.

He said sold twice


He likes sold.
 
2012-11-26 05:25:56 PM  

wildcardjack: The Surface pissed me off. It was just another tablet. Any given time I have three windows open and the Win8 interface isn't geared for that.

Productivity without a numberpad is greatly limited for real people.


i only use my numpad for gaming occasionally. i didn't know i wasn't "real people".
 
2012-11-26 05:26:30 PM  

wildcardjack: Any given time I have three windows open and the Win8 interface isn't geared for that.


You can have 3 windows open in Win8 in Desktop mode.

i1-news.softpedia-static.com
 
2012-11-26 05:28:15 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: L.D. Ablo: Windows 8 is Vista redux.

Windows 8 on a tablet (e.g. Surface) makes sense.

On a PC or laptop, especially without a touchscreen, it does not. Yeah you can click a few times and get to a more-or-less mouse/key friendly UI, but so what?

No idea why they thought unifying the interfaces across devices with completely different input hardware made any sense whatsoever.


Because convergance is a thing, and pretty soon all of those different devices with completely different input hardware won't be. You are on the very leading edge of a wave that will ultimately end up with the Star Trek "Computer" button on your shirt.
 
2012-11-26 05:29:33 PM  

RexTalionis: demaL-demaL-yeH: zedster: IDK, I always open terminal and then emacs on the laptops at the store. It confuses them

Of course they were. How did you download and install that without admin privileges and the password?

/You do know that pico is the built-in editor, right?
//Go vim yourself, poser.

You can ssh into a server and run emacs on it through terminal?


Yes, you could do that, which would still be confusing.
Why would customers leave open ssh tunnels into their own/work servers on random laptops in an Apple store?
 
2012-11-26 05:30:12 PM  
Personally, I'd take a Surface over an iPad any day. I can't really afford to be dropping that kind of money on a tablet right now, but if I did have the money for one, I'd get a Surface.
 
2012-11-26 05:30:18 PM  

gingerjet: GAT_00: I don't get the corporational allegiance of Apple people either. I use Windows 7 and have Android phone, but I wouldn't call myself loyal to Microsoft or Google. They just have the better products. If you aren't an iFanatic and you actually compare products, you realize you're paying a farkton more for a product that is questionable at best in superiority. Plus I'm not buying shiat that's locked down like iPhones are.

You biatch about 'iFanatics' with the same zeal as those iFanatics you somehow despise . I at least get people who love certain things. I don't get those that feel the need to bash other peoples toys because you think your toy is prettier.

/and the 90s called - he wants his tired anti-apple arguments back


I just pick the best device for a certain capability. I have no loyalty to a brand as long as they continue to make products that are #1 for me in a certain criteria. For a tablet I think the iPad is the best because it's just so damn easy to set up and use and I don't think I've ever reset the thing in almost 2 years of use. My phone is a blackberry because I can write about 50 words a minute on it's keyboard without ever looking at the keyboard and I'm pretty sure it hasn't been reset in over a year. My PC is something I built myself with an SSD drive, dual Zotac GTX580 Blackops, i7960, on an ASUS WS mainboard - because I love PC Games.

My next work laptop will be the Asus Taichi because it will double as an email tool and tablet all in one without carrying around any accessories. It will do PowerPoint, Word, and Outlook easily and conveniently. If Apple had made a Taichi like device I would buy it from them.
 
2012-11-26 05:32:54 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: RexTalionis: demaL-demaL-yeH: zedster: IDK, I always open terminal and then emacs on the laptops at the store. It confuses them

Of course they were. How did you download and install that without admin privileges and the password?

/You do know that pico is the built-in editor, right?
//Go vim yourself, poser.

You can ssh into a server and run emacs on it through terminal?

Yes, you could do that, which would still be confusing.
Why would customers leave open ssh tunnels into their own/work servers on random laptops in an Apple store?


Hey, you only asked how, you said nothing about why.
 
2012-11-26 05:34:13 PM  

xynix: My next work laptop will be the Asus Taichi because it will double as an email tool and tablet all in one without carrying around any accessories. It will do PowerPoint, Word, and Outlook easily and conveniently. If Apple had made a Taichi like device I would buy it from them.


Again - be forewarned that the internal LCD for the Taichi doesn't have a touchscreen.
 
2012-11-26 05:35:42 PM  

xynix: This is what I'm waiting for: The 8 hour Asus Taichi 

[cdn.slashgear.com image 580x386]


Of all the Windows 8 ultra-lablet-topbook dealies, with all of their completely unique ways of doing both things (e.g. 180 degree hinge, screen flips in a frame, single hinge in the middle), I find the Taichi, which I had never seen before your post, to be the best form factor.

/run on sentences ftw
 
2012-11-26 05:35:47 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Meh, the Microsoft store near me is always jammed, a constant flow of people walking out with bags o' stuff. With the Christmas season in full gear, it's definitely more of an Xbox store than a Surface store, but whatever, I'll keep my cheerleading for various forms of sportsball.

I will never, in my life, understand peoples' wild-eyed allegiance to corporations. Generational thing? Probably... I just don't get it.


Chevy vs. Ford, etc.

It's far from generational.
 
2012-11-26 05:35:55 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Meh, the Microsoft store near me is always jammed, a constant flow of people walking out with bags o' stuff. With the Christmas season in full gear, it's definitely more of an Xbox store than a Surface store, but whatever, I'll keep my cheerleading for various forms of sportsball.

I will never, in my life, understand peoples' wild-eyed allegiance to corporations. Generational thing? Probably... I just don't get it.


Particularly as half those corporations would happily harvest the peasantry for organs and/or minerals if it was profitable and they thought they could get away with it, or at least have the buck stop with some middle management fall guy.
 
2012-11-26 05:37:58 PM  

RexTalionis: demaL-demaL-yeH: RexTalionis: demaL-demaL-yeH: zedster: IDK, I always open terminal and then emacs on the laptops at the store. It confuses them

Of course they were. How did you download and install that without admin privileges and the password?

/You do know that pico is the built-in editor, right?
//Go vim yourself, poser.

You can ssh into a server and run emacs on it through terminal?

Yes, you could do that, which would still be confusing.
Why would customers leave open ssh tunnels into their own/work servers on random laptops in an Apple store?

Hey, you only asked how, you said nothing about why.


Wait a sec.
You know, it might be fun to change emacs to load LISP* by default.

*emacs LISP is a real clusterfark.
 
2012-11-26 05:39:26 PM  

Phaeon: xynix: This is what I'm waiting for: The 8 hour Asus Taichi 

[cdn.slashgear.com image 580x386]

Of all the Windows 8 ultra-lablet-topbook dealies, with all of their completely unique ways of doing both things (e.g. 180 degree hinge, screen flips in a frame, single hinge in the middle), I find the Taichi, which I had never seen before your post, to be the best form factor.

/run on sentences ftw


Do the Windows 8 ultra-lablet-topbook dealies flip between desktop mode and tablet mode depending upon which input screen you are using?
 
2012-11-26 05:40:02 PM  
I have an iPad. I'd rather have a Surface.

Sure, the iPad is a fine little toy. The Surface looks like an actual tool to do real 'work'.
 
2012-11-26 05:41:19 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Wait a sec.
You know, it might be fun to change emacs to load LISP* by default.

*emacs LISP is a real clusterfark.


Meh, never used it. Although, to be honest, how different can it really be from regular LISP?
 
2012-11-26 05:43:15 PM  

Cinaed: The Surface looks like an actual tool to do real 'work'.


the Surface Pro yes, the Surface RT is an ipad with a better keyboard, USB and microSD.
 
2012-11-26 05:43:21 PM  

RexTalionis: xynix: My next work laptop will be the Asus Taichi because it will double as an email tool and tablet all in one without carrying around any accessories. It will do PowerPoint, Word, and Outlook easily and conveniently. If Apple had made a Taichi like device I would buy it from them.

Again - be forewarned that the internal LCD for the Taichi doesn't have a touchscreen.


I was feeling done in, couldn't win
I'd only ever moused before.
I thought there's no use getting on tactile UI
It only leads to trouble and RSI...

Now all I want to know is how to go
I've tapped and gasped and I want more
Forget your resistance, no single-touch existence
I've got fingers to stretch, I need capacitance:

Taichi taichi taichi touch me, your screen is so dirty
Poke me, pinch me and scroll me,
Tablet of the night.
 
2012-11-26 05:45:02 PM  

Diogenes: I went to the Microsoft store that opened back in October here just to check it out. Some guy gave me a demo of Windows 8 and could not answer a single one of my questions. All he could do was demo it.

I've never been to an Apple store as I do not have any Apple products other than my Ipod. But I get the impression the quality of Apple geeks working there is much higher than at MS.


Could be that iPads have been out a lot longer than Microsoft tablets. Most people (not just "geniuses") know how to use iPads these days.

Don't have either and don't plan to ever.
 
2012-11-26 05:45:04 PM  
I was previously thinking of buying a Windows 8 Ultrabook convertible, specifically the Lenovo Ideapad Yoga, but now I'm deciding against it.

hothardware.com
Nothing against Windows 8 - I've tried it and I like it just fine. It's just that I don't use laptops anymore. I have a Windows 7 laptop with 4 GBs of RAM and more than enough power for anything I need to do and I haven't even flipped it on in weeks. Tablet devices have completely taken over the niche that I used to use laptops for.
 
2012-11-26 05:45:06 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Once again, MS arrives a few years late and millions of dollars short, then wonders why no one will buy their stuff. Did the Windows Phone and the Zune teach them nothing?


MS has had a mobile OS since 1996. Long before Mr Turtleneck even dreamed of making a smart phone.

I bet you think Apple invented the MP3 player and the tablet computer too.
 
2012-11-26 05:46:29 PM  

Theaetetus: RexTalionis: xynix: My next work laptop will be the Asus Taichi because it will double as an email tool and tablet all in one without carrying around any accessories. It will do PowerPoint, Word, and Outlook easily and conveniently. If Apple had made a Taichi like device I would buy it from them.

Again - be forewarned that the internal LCD for the Taichi doesn't have a touchscreen.

I was feeling done in, couldn't win
I'd only ever moused before.
I thought there's no use getting on tactile UI
It only leads to trouble and RSI...

Now all I want to know is how to go
I've tapped and gasped and I want more
Forget your resistance, no single-touch existence
I've got fingers to stretch, I need capacitance:

Taichi taichi taichi touch me, your screen is so dirty
Poke me, pinch me and scroll me,
Tablet of the night.


Janet, you slut.
 
2012-11-26 05:48:30 PM  

Theaetetus: zedster: EatHam: There is no superior product, just what works best for what it is you want to do.  I'd never argue that an iPhone is better than an Android phone, but I know which one my father can work.

No, but there is a superior philosophy, if walled gardens win the consumers lose

Agreed. Can you send me a copy of the source code for Windows 8, incidentally? Also, I'd like to upload an App to the Windows Store, but I don't want to register or pay money... you can help with that, right?


There's a difference between open source and an open platform and you know it.
 
2012-11-26 05:50:53 PM  
One of the people my girlfriend works with bought a Surface and she really likes the look and feel of the device. I took her out to a local mall and picked one up as an early Christmas present (64GB model, plus the keyboard cover as a compliment to the touch-type cover).

The Surface is pretty nifty and the girl's very happy with it. I'm a bit irked by the lack of 3G (the Surface is currently WiFi only), but when you're able to keep it fed with data it's a very fun experience. Streaming Netflix with it while lying in bed is pretty nice and Win8 is a very friendly addition to my home network (automatic integration of most common functions).

I can't imagine buying one for myself - can't imagine buying an iPad either. I'm not much of a tablet person. (I see them as changing the form factor I would do certain activities with, rather than simplifying or consolidating those activities.)
 
2012-11-26 05:51:37 PM  

ParanoidAgnostic: Theaetetus: zedster: EatHam: There is no superior product, just what works best for what it is you want to do.  I'd never argue that an iPhone is better than an Android phone, but I know which one my father can work.

No, but there is a superior philosophy, if walled gardens win the consumers lose

Agreed. Can you send me a copy of the source code for Windows 8, incidentally? Also, I'd like to upload an App to the Windows Store, but I don't want to register or pay money... you can help with that, right?


There's a difference between open source and an open platform and you know it.


The comment I was remarking on was between Android and iOS, Android is a modified Apache license that is barley copyleft but at least Google lets you jailbreak without having to root.

That being said Paranoid is right as well
 
2012-11-26 05:53:21 PM  
I've never had anything but Microsoft computers running Windows and so on black Friday I bought a higher range laptop because one of my 2 which both ran 7 conked out on me and without any research I bought a Toshiba with an i7 Intel processor, 640 GB HDD and 6GB or ram. I have been wrestling with 8 ever since and I'm looking for a 7 disc so I can turn it into something I can feasibly use. I have a little message for everybody at Microsoft from Steve Ballmer on down.

25.media.tumblr.com

And no, firing the head of Windows, Sinofsky, last week does nothing to ameliorate the fix I'm in now with a completely new interface after learning Windows since 3.1 and 95. Change everything back and give me a free farking copy you farking rat bastards.
 
2012-11-26 05:54:02 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: zedster: IDK, I always open terminal and then emacs on the laptops at the store. It confuses them

Of course they were. How did you download and install that without admin privileges and the password?

/You do know that pico is the built-in editor, right?
//Go vim yourself, poser.


??? I've opened emacs on OS X many many times, maybe they changed it in more recent versions but pretty sure it's in the default install, may not be the default editor

//always leave the doctor program in emacs open at the stores
 
2012-11-26 05:54:47 PM  

zedster: Diogenes: I've never been to an Apple store as I do not have any Apple products other than my Ipod. But I get the impression the quality of Apple geeks working there is much higher than at MS.

IDK, I always open terminal and then emacs on the laptops at the store. It confuses them


Most entertaining thing to do is to type kill -9 -1 and walk away.

/ even better, sudo kill -9 -1
// sudo rm -rf?
 
2012-11-26 05:56:10 PM  

OscarTamerz: I've never had anything but Microsoft computers running Windows and so on black Friday I bought a higher range laptop because one of my 2 which both ran 7 conked out on me and without any research I bought a Toshiba with an i7 Intel processor, 640 GB HDD and 6GB or ram. I have been wrestling with 8 ever since and I'm looking for a 7 disc so I can turn it into something I can feasibly use. I have a little message for everybody at Microsoft from Steve Ballmer on down.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 750x500]

And no, firing the head of Windows, Sinofsky, last week does nothing to ameliorate the fix I'm in now with a completely new interface after learning Windows since 3.1 and 95. Change everything back and give me a free farking copy you farking rat bastards.


Question: Aren't you a little teensy weensy bit at fault for buying something without trying it out first?
 
2012-11-26 05:56:43 PM  

Rockstone: zedster: Diogenes: I've never been to an Apple store as I do not have any Apple products other than my Ipod. But I get the impression the quality of Apple geeks working there is much higher than at MS.

IDK, I always open terminal and then emacs on the laptops at the store. It confuses them

Most entertaining thing to do is to type kill -9 -1 and walk away.

/ even better, sudo kill -9 -1
// sudo rm -rf?


you would need to enable the root account and know an admin users pw
 
2012-11-26 05:57:29 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: I will never, in my life, understand peoples' wild-eyed allegiance to corporations. Generational thing? Probably... I just don't get it.


bite-prod.s3.amazonaws.com

nbcsportsmedia3.msnbc.com

IF you consider that these are also multi-million dollar corporations as well, it doesn't seem that weird. People just have a need to belong to a community, and those geeky among us will get sucked into tech or entertainment turf wars just as easily as most people get into sports team rivalries. On the bright side, at least it is not this:

static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-11-26 05:57:35 PM  

Theaetetus: Also, I'd like to upload an App to the Windows Store, but I don't want to register or pay money... you can help with that, right?


you do realize you can still write traditional desktop apps, and have them installed the traditional way - right?

or are you just concern trolling with your head up your ass?
 
2012-11-26 05:58:39 PM  

OscarTamerz: I've never had anything but Microsoft computers running Windows and so on black Friday I bought a higher range laptop because one of my 2 which both ran 7 conked out on me and without any research I bought a Toshiba with an i7 Intel processor, 640 GB HDD and 6GB or ram. I have been wrestling with 8 ever since and I'm looking for a 7 disc so I can turn it into something I can feasibly use. I have a little message for everybody at Microsoft from Steve Ballmer on down.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 750x500]

And no, firing the head of Windows, Sinofsky, last week does nothing to ameliorate the fix I'm in now with a completely new interface after learning Windows since 3.1 and 95. Change everything back and give me a free farking copy you farking rat bastards.


Stardock Start8
 
2012-11-26 06:00:07 PM  
I tried 8, couldn't stand it. I'm sure it's easier on a tablet but I really don't care about Windows running on a tablet. I'm guessing this is likely a sign most people don't either.

Not to mention, as someone that works in Healthcare IT, I found the idea of trying to teach 8 to staff--nauseating. 7 is solid, that's where I (we) will be staying--as I suspect 9 will be absent Metro.
 
2012-11-26 06:00:20 PM  

Kazan: Theaetetus: Also, I'd like to upload an App to the Windows Store, but I don't want to register or pay money... you can help with that, right?

you do realize you can still write traditional desktop apps, and have them installed the traditional way - right?

or are you just concern trolling with your head up your ass?


The latter, albeit to make a point about the widespread ubiquity of "walled gardens" and how that complaint shows a stunning naivete.
 
2012-11-26 06:00:33 PM  
I'm still waiting on the Surface Pro.
 
2012-11-26 06:02:33 PM  

Kazan: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Once again, MS arrives a few years late and millions of dollars short, then wonders why no one will buy their stuff. Did the Windows Phone and the Zune teach them nothing?

SweetSaws: Ok, i tried it out by installing it on a virtual machine (Hyper-V) with 4 GB of memory, 1 processor, and it seemed to lag quite a bit. Also, i couldn't figure out how to enable remote access. ALSO, NO GOD DAMN START BUTTON. So, I faced all of these fundamental problems in the first 5 minutes of using it. What's so good about it?

did your host have SLAT enabled?

also Wiki: Features New to Windows 8

/required disclaimer: i work for M
//I hate the new start screen too


SLAT? I don't think so. I'll have to check that out thanks.
 
2012-11-26 06:02:54 PM  

Theaetetus: The latter, albeit to make a point about the widespread ubiquity of "walled gardens" and how that complaint shows a stunning naivete.


there are different levels of walled gardens though. Apple's is "Fort Knox" (walled software, hardware, etc), whereas Windows Store is "US/Canada Border" (Metro App QA gate), Android is "spread legged hooker" (With just as many diseases)
 
2012-11-26 06:04:03 PM  

SweetSaws: SLAT? I don't think so. I'll have to check that out thanks.


no SLAT on a VM host is a huge perf negative. strictly speaking we don't support hardware without SLAT anymore for HyperV (Windows Client HyperV in fact refuses to enable, Server HyperV will still run - but we don't officially support it).
 
2012-11-26 06:04:36 PM  

TheAgeOfEgos: Not to mention, as someone that works in Healthcare IT, I found the idea of trying to teach 8 to staff--nauseating. 7 is solid, that's where I (we) will be staying--as I suspect 9 will be absent Metro.


Good Idea: Going to Home Depot to get tiles
Bad Idea: Going to the Microsoft store to get tiles

cdn.mactrast.com

/metro is horrible
 
2012-11-26 06:06:50 PM  
My boss got the Surface the day it came out and is committed to the belief that we will all be using one in nine months. I've had to stop him a few times from running down to Best Buy and buying one for everyone in our group to replace our desktops with dual 23" monitor setups.

It's not easy being an IT Manager somedays.
 
2012-11-26 06:07:37 PM  

zedster: TheAgeOfEgos: Not to mention, as someone that works in Healthcare IT, I found the idea of trying to teach 8 to staff--nauseating. 7 is solid, that's where I (we) will be staying--as I suspect 9 will be absent Metro.

Good Idea: Going to Home Depot to get tiles
Bad Idea: Going to the Microsoft store to get tiles

[cdn.mactrast.com image 580x392]

/metro is horrible


image inaccurate. completely ignoring desktop apps (aka all apps written prior to win 8) as usual.

color scheme is configurable.
 
2012-11-26 06:08:11 PM  

GAT_00: ThatGuyGreg: Meh, the Microsoft store near me is always jammed, a constant flow of people walking out with bags o' stuff. With the Christmas season in full gear, it's definitely more of an Xbox store than a Surface store, but whatever, I'll keep my cheerleading for various forms of sportsball.

I will never, in my life, understand peoples' wild-eyed allegiance to corporations. Generational thing? Probably... I just don't get it.

I don't get the corporational allegiance of Apple people either. I use Windows 7 and have Android phone, but I wouldn't call myself loyal to Microsoft or Google. They just have the better products. If you aren't an iFanatic and you actually compare products, you realize you're paying a farkton more for a product that is questionable at best in superiority. Plus I'm not buying shiat that's locked down like iPhones are.


i bought an ipad pretty much for that locked down ecosystem, it's hard to beat having 60+ apps and your entire music collection on a new device within an hour of taking it out of the box

being locked down never really bothered me to begin with, it's all in how you use said device, case in point i have a win7 custom pc i've got customized to hell and back

now what would drive me crazy is stuff being locked down on a device that's predominantly unlocked... ie: if Windows became a walled garden, i would lose my shiat
 
2012-11-26 06:09:13 PM  

zedster: /metro is horrible


I don't think Metro is bad, it's just that the problem is that the hardware isn't consistent enough to make Metro a good experience for everybody. Desktop users and non-touchscreen laptop users with have a significantly different experience with Windows 8 than a touchscreen user with an All-in-one or a tablet.

It's kind of like the Vista-ready hardware problem all over again.
 
2012-11-26 06:09:38 PM  

Skarekrough: My boss got the Surface the day it came out and is committed to the belief that we will all be using one in nine months. I've had to stop him a few times from running down to Best Buy and buying one for everyone in our group to replace our desktops with dual 23" monitor setups.

It's not easy being an IT Manager somedays.


Hey, at least everyone will get some paid time off when they are put on disability from using the keyboard covers for typing and developing major carpal tunnel.
 
2012-11-26 06:12:02 PM  

Kazan: image inaccurate. completely ignoring desktop apps (aka all apps written prior to win 8) as usual.

color scheme is configurable.


Hey, Kazan - since you work for Microsoft, does Windows 8 have native support for motion control devices like a Kinect for PC or Leap Motion?
 
2012-11-26 06:18:00 PM  

Kazan: Theaetetus: The latter, albeit to make a point about the widespread ubiquity of "walled gardens" and how that complaint shows a stunning naivete.

there are different levels of walled gardens though. Apple's is "Fort Knox" (walled software, hardware, etc) whereas Windows Store is "US/Canada Border" (Metro App QA gate)


you do realize you can still write traditional desktop apps, and have them installed the traditional way - right?

Yes, I know you're referring to iOS rather than OSX, but you had the same response when I was referring to Windows Phone rather than Windows desktop OS. Both are locked down on mobile devices and wide open on desktops or laptops.

Android is "spread legged hooker" (With just as many diseases)

Although, that said, many Android device manufacturers include a walled garden of pre-installed proprietary apps that you can't remove without rooting and wiping the device. So, maybe Android is an "unfenced lawn" in front of the garden.
 
2012-11-26 06:19:05 PM  

zedster: TheAgeOfEgos: Not to mention, as someone that works in Healthcare IT, I found the idea of trying to teach 8 to staff--nauseating. 7 is solid, that's where I (we) will be staying--as I suspect 9 will be absent Metro.

Good Idea: Going to Home Depot to get tiles
Bad Idea: Going to the Microsoft store to get tiles

[cdn.mactrast.com image 580x392]

/metro is horrible



Well, I'm certainly not a fan. I'm willing to bet we get a Start8 style SP where you can use the traditional 7 launch option minus the Metro junk. Considering;

Steven Sinofsky appears to have been let go (8 was his baby and he's been around forever)
Start8 is experiencing very heavy sales


I like what's under the hood--just don't like how the desktop looks or Metro.
 
2012-11-26 06:20:09 PM  

RexTalionis: zedster: /metro is horrible

I don't think Metro is bad, it's just that the problem is that the hardware isn't consistent enough to make Metro a good experience for everybody. Desktop users and non-touchscreen laptop users with have a significantly different experience with Windows 8 than a touchscreen user with an All-in-one or a tablet.

It's kind of like the Vista-ready hardware problem all over again.


Hell, even something as simple as a decent trackpad could help immensely, like with OS X which is able to use a lot of really helpful swiping gestures simply because they can depend on most of the hardware being able to support multi-finger gestures because their laptops have had excellent trackpads for years, compared to Windows where the trackpad input is generally sucky.
 
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