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(NBC 29 Charlottesville)   Mall security practice new "catch and release" program for child abductors   (nbc29.com) divider line 76
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2012-11-26 02:11:56 PM  
This is beyond incompetence

/bet ya the mall security will use the Penn State defense that they weren't trained to call the police when a criminal act was in progress
 
2012-11-26 02:31:32 PM  
Don't the numbered ear-tags and radio-collars make them kind of easy to spot now?
 
2012-11-26 02:41:29 PM  
They need a new head of security at that mall.

s11.postimage.org
 
2012-11-26 03:34:44 PM  
I'm surprised the father didn't beat the guy to death with his bare hands.

Also, yeah, the security guys farked up majorly.
 
2012-11-26 03:34:53 PM  
♪ Every Kidnapping Begins with Kay ♪
 
2012-11-26 03:36:00 PM  
That's not in their contractual statement of work.
 
2012-11-26 03:36:20 PM  
...and by "catch", you mean removal of the epidermis with a duller than normal lawn mower blade, right?
 
2012-11-26 03:39:13 PM  
SUbtard
I think "youre" misplaced quotetation "finger marks" are in the improper location for the headline being understandable to the breadth of Farkdom, not to mention pointing out the misgrammidical usage of Said marking in the sentances
.does we haves to diagram it for you??
 
GBB
2012-11-26 03:42:43 PM  
Mall jail is getting full and no one wants to fund expansions.
 
2012-11-26 03:43:06 PM  

danpanic77: That's not in their contractual statement of work.


I believe contacting the police is
 
2012-11-26 03:45:39 PM  

SweetSaws: I'm surprised the father didn't beat the guy to death with his bare hands.

Also, yeah, the security guys farked up majorly.


Agreed. If I caught up to the guy with my kid, they'd be needing the police to stop me from beating the shiat out of him.
 
2012-11-26 03:47:48 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: danpanic77: That's not in their contractual statement of work.

I believe contacting the police is


You're probably right but you missed the punch line.
 
2012-11-26 03:48:15 PM  

ChipNASA: SUbtard
I think "youre" misplaced quotetation "finger marks" are in the improper location for the headline being understandable to the breadth of Farkdom, not to mention pointing out the misgrammidical usage of Said marking in the sentances
.does we haves to diagram it for you??


Give him a break. He's posting from a van down by the river
 
2012-11-26 03:48:25 PM  

danpanic77: Tat'dGreaser: danpanic77: That's not in their contractual statement of work.

I believe contacting the police is

You're probably right but you missed the punch line.


DAMNIT

Sorry
 
2012-11-26 03:48:28 PM  
I thought Fark had an understanding that private security had no ability to detain people.

Or does this duty only extend to stopping crimes we happen to care a lot about?
 
2012-11-26 03:49:58 PM  
I'm going to guess there was some sort of miscommunication either between the victims and security or amongst the security themselves. At least that's what I hope it was. Catching someone like this is a rent-a-cop's wet dream so i can't see them just letting him go
 
2012-11-26 03:50:41 PM  

ChipNASA: SUbtard
I think "youre" misplaced quotetation "finger marks" are in the improper location for the headline being understandable to the breadth of Farkdom, not to mention pointing out the misgrammidical usage of Said marking in the sentances
.does we haves to diagram it for you??


huh?
/subby
 
2012-11-26 03:50:55 PM  
"Forget catch-and-release, man, this is a wall-hanger, for sure!"
 
2012-11-26 03:52:14 PM  
I don't get it. People leave their two-year-olds at stores. Nobody would actually take one.

Maybe he thought it was from the "Have a baby leave a baby" jar next to the cash register.
 
2012-11-26 03:57:24 PM  
The suspect is described as a light skinned black male with glasses

www.celebrity-sunglasses-finder.com

He's back, and he wants your babbies!
 
2012-11-26 03:57:36 PM  

super_grass: I thought Fark had an understanding that private security had no ability to detain people.

Or does this duty only extend to stopping crimes we happen to care a lot about?


Detain? No.
Call the cops? Yes.
Get a licence plate number if possible? Yes
Follow until cops show up? Yes.
Sounds like these guys did none of this.
 
2012-11-26 03:57:45 PM  
So if this guy tries it again and is successful are these mall cops going to feel bad because they let him go?
 
2012-11-26 04:00:14 PM  
static.moviefanatic.com
 
2012-11-26 04:00:15 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: ChipNASA: SUbtard
I think "youre" misplaced quotetation "finger marks" are in the improper location for the headline being understandable to the breadth of Farkdom, not to mention pointing out the misgrammidical usage of Said marking in the sentances
.does we haves to diagram it for you??

huh?
/subby


"Mall Security"
/"military intelligence"
//"Fark expert"
///"Your Mom"
 
2012-11-26 04:04:12 PM  

super_grass: I thought Fark had an understanding that private security had no ability to detain people.

Or does this duty only extend to stopping crimes we happen to care a lot about?


Hey, look everybody. THis guy is pro- child abductor. Lets all booo him.


/Boooooooo!!!
//Oh, you're just being a contrarian.
 
2012-11-26 04:06:08 PM  
This sounds like Japan, where a molester is politely escorted off the property.
 
2012-11-26 04:06:18 PM  

super_grass: I thought Fark had an understanding that private security had no ability to detain people.

Or does this duty only extend to stopping crimes we happen to care a lot about?


Perhaps they aren't allowed to detain someone who committed a crime, but they should have called the police, which they didn't.
 
2012-11-26 04:07:15 PM  
I'm getting pretty sick of these loose ended articles.

You're telling me that someone ran up behind this little girl, grabbed her, was chased down, caught, man gets daughter back, suspect was held for hours, and the police were never called?

I think the media reports this fake kind of shiat because they think they are doing society some kind of favor by making them more 'aware' of the dangers that exist out there and people don't care because, hey, nothing wrong with that, right?

You tell me:

1: They caught the guy and held him for hours never calling the police and let him go?

OR-

2: This whole thing is made up to make Christmas shoppers more aware of the boogeyman?
 
2012-11-26 04:08:00 PM  
Mall security escorted the man off the premises and were last heard saying "Aww. Cheer up, little buckaroo. You'll get her next time! OK, See you at the next meeting, Ed!"
 
2012-11-26 04:11:05 PM  

fisker: I'm getting pretty sick of these loose ended articles.

You're telling me that someone ran up behind this little girl, grabbed her, was chased down, caught, man gets daughter back, suspect was held for hours, and the police were never called?

I think the media reports this fake kind of shiat because they think they are doing society some kind of favor by making them more 'aware' of the dangers that exist out there and people don't care because, hey, nothing wrong with that, right?

You tell me:

1: They caught the guy and held him for hours never calling the police and let him go?

OR-

2: This whole thing is made up to make Christmas shoppers more aware of the boogeyman?


Or

3: it was a case of mistaken identity
 
2012-11-26 04:16:54 PM  

ShobuZukuri: This sounds like Japan, where a molester is politely escorted off the property.


And provided free webhosting and a camera
 
2012-11-26 04:18:14 PM  
They should've hired the Wal-mart security guy from an earlier fark article. If he can kill a shoplifter, I think he can hurt a child abductor.
 
2012-11-26 04:21:02 PM  
Not to sound too ITG here but...

I do question this article simply because 5000 years of civilization have not quite countered 4+ Billion years of evolution in regards to offspring. The part about "mall security escorted the suspect off the property" should read something like "mall security assisted EMS in loading the suspect".
 
2012-11-26 04:33:07 PM  
I thought any citizen was allowed to detain a person caught in the commission of a violent crime?

/not a lawyer, probably wrong
 
2012-11-26 04:35:23 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: super_grass: I thought Fark had an understanding that private security had no ability to detain people.

Or does this duty only extend to stopping crimes we happen to care a lot about?

Hey, look everybody. THis guy is pro- child abductor. Lets all booo him.


/Boooooooo!!!
//Oh, you're just being a contrarian.


No I'm not.
 
2012-11-26 04:35:32 PM  
I was hoping for a report that read: "Suspect was escorted off the property, and received multiple life-threatening injuries when he tripped over the curb. EMS was summoned, but suspect refused treatment or transport. Suspect's corpse was later discovered in a ditch just outside the Mall's prperty line."
 
2012-11-26 04:36:12 PM  
This happened at Fashion Square Mall (neither fashionable nor a square), which is the only traditional mall (vs. strip mall) in Charlottesville, Va. I haven't been in this mall in at least 7 or 8 years, but used to shop there regularly. The guys who ran security seemed to have only one setting: hassle teenager mode. And they seemed to have only one response: escort teenager from mall. The rest of the time they would circle the parking lot aimlessly in their Suzuki Samurai's or hang out at the Chick-fil-A (right next to the Kay Jewelers mentioned in the story, as case would have it). This story shocks me not in the least -- the moment I read the headline and saw the NBC 29 logo on the link I knew it'd be about Fashion Square.

/CSB, I know.
 
2012-11-26 04:39:39 PM  

mutterfark: I thought any citizen was allowed to detain a person caught in the commission of a violent crime?

/not a lawyer, probably wrong


If an ordinary citizen sees a felony being commited, he/she is allowed to detain the putative felon until LEOs cna be summoned. This is in 49 out of 50 states (I'm looking at you, North Carolina).
 
2012-11-26 04:42:33 PM  
In Virginia:

Felonies and Misdemeanors

In Virginia, a citizen can make an arrest if he or she witnesses a felony offense. The person making the citizen's arrest should be "absolutely certain" the accused committed the offense, according to the Lynchburg, Va., Police Department. Felonies are major crimes and are punishable by more than one year in jail. Citizen's arrests cannot be made in instances of misdemeanor and lesser offenses in Virginia.


The Arrest and Paperwork

A citizen's arrest refers to the time a person is held until a police officer arrives at the scene. The person making the arrest should tell the accused that he or she is under citizen's arrest and immediately call police. In instances of citizen's arrest, as with other arrests, a record of the arrest must be filed with the magistrate's office, according to the Code of Virginia.


Legal Protections

According to "Criminal Procedure for the Criminal Justice Professional," a citizen making an arrest can "use the same degree of force as a law enforcement officer making an arrest," but he or she is not given immunity from civil liability. Those who make citizen's arrests are subject to civil lawsuits and damage awards if mistakes are made, such as arresting the wrong person or physically harming the accused. A person who makes a wrongful citizen's arrest is in violation of the law and can face punishment. Those making citizen's arrests have no rights to question the accused or take any belongings from them.
 
2012-11-26 04:43:11 PM  
Like fishing, "filet and release" would be a more satisfactory approach.
 
2012-11-26 04:44:47 PM  

ArkAngel: ChipNASA: SUbtard
I think "youre" misplaced quotetation "finger marks" are in the improper location for the headline being understandable to the breadth of Farkdom, not to mention pointing out the misgrammidical usage of Said marking in the sentances
.does we haves to diagram it for you??

Give him a break. He's posting from a van down by the river


It's a white van, isn't it? It's always a white van.
 
2012-11-26 04:46:19 PM  
'We just found this guy all bloody and bashed on the sidewalk....'

'By the way, did you hear about the little girl we saved earlier today?'
 
2012-11-26 04:53:32 PM  

FrancoFile: fisker: I'm getting pretty sick of these loose ended articles.

You're telling me that someone ran up behind this little girl, grabbed her, was chased down, caught, man gets daughter back, suspect was held for hours, and the police were never called?

I think the media reports this fake kind of shiat because they think they are doing society some kind of favor by making them more 'aware' of the dangers that exist out there and people don't care because, hey, nothing wrong with that, right?

You tell me:

1: They caught the guy and held him for hours never calling the police and let him go?

OR-

2: This whole thing is made up to make Christmas shoppers more aware of the boogeyman?

Or

3: it was a case of mistaken identity


Or

C. Person who took the kid is a biological parent.

Even gypsies don't kidnap 2 year olds.
 
2012-11-26 04:57:09 PM  

give me doughnuts: In Virginia:

Felonies and Misdemeanors

In Virginia, a citizen can make an arrest if he or she witnesses a felony offense. The person making the citizen's arrest should be "absolutely certain" the accused committed the offense, according to the Lynchburg, Va., Police Department. Felonies are major crimes and are punishable by more than one year in jail. Citizen's arrests cannot be made in instances of misdemeanor and lesser offenses in Virginia.


The Arrest and Paperwork

A citizen's arrest refers to the time a person is held until a police officer arrives at the scene. The person making the arrest should tell the accused that he or she is under citizen's arrest and immediately call police. In instances of citizen's arrest, as with other arrests, a record of the arrest must be filed with the magistrate's office, according to the Code of Virginia.


Legal Protections

According to "Criminal Procedure for the Criminal Justice Professional," a citizen making an arrest can "use the same degree of force as a law enforcement officer making an arrest," but he or she is not given immunity from civil liability. Those who make citizen's arrests are subject to civil lawsuits and damage awards if mistakes are made, such as arresting the wrong person or physically harming the accused. A person who makes a wrongful citizen's arrest is in violation of the law and can face punishment. Those making citizen's arrests have no rights to question the accused or take any belongings from them.


Thanks for that.
Obviously there's more to this story. Why didn't the parents call the cops immediately? Were there no witnesses at all? Would like to know more.

/oh yeah, random ITG badass statement of badassitude
 
2012-11-26 05:00:33 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Mall security escorted the man off the premises and were last heard saying "Aww. Cheer up, little buckaroo. You'll get her next time! OK, See you at the next meeting, Ed!"


img824.imageshack.us

"You got me! I'll get him, though, I'll get him."
"Ha ha, I bet you will."
 
2012-11-26 05:02:37 PM  

super_grass: I thought Fark had an understanding that private security had no ability to detain people.


Having done that job (shuddupitwascollegeIneededthemoney) I can say, that is correct. They can, however, contact the police immediately and follow the man on mall property to possibly get a car tag, and review security tapes to get a photo. Hell, nothing would stop them from snapping a cell phone photo. Actually I was in this very situation once, and did exactly that. Mine turned out to be harmless - a visitation custody exchange with a sloppy and awkward handoff. The police handled it quietly and professionally, dad was cool about it, the kid thought the cops were cool, and off they went. I was assuming that was the case here but from TFA it sure sounds like it was an actual freak. Scary.

I am a small farkette and not very tough but had it been my kid he'd be easy to find by his walking funny from his sudden lack of balls and from my claw marks down his face. Mamma bear and all.
 
2012-11-26 05:09:24 PM  
Mall security practices new "catch and release" program for child abductors

Warning: British-like typing detected.
 
2012-11-26 05:14:41 PM  

super_grass: I thought Fark had an understanding that private security had no ability to detain people.

Or does this duty only extend to stopping crimes we happen to care a lot about?


is that trolling or am i missing something? cause, at least in my state private security can arrest someone the same as a private citizen can.

can they use neat terms like "probable cause" & "reasonable suspicion" to act? absolutely not.

if they witness it themselves? sure.

/looks forward to fark scholars pointing out any miscues
 
2012-11-26 05:27:29 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Even gypsies don't kidnap 2 year olds.


This.

ecx.images-amazon.com 

Still though, that's a guaranteed major ass kickin....then, when I pull my wife off the farker, I'd get one good kick in too.

/ I know, the character wasn't 2
// parent of a 2 year old boy
/// fark 2 year olds
 
2012-11-26 05:27:40 PM  

fisker: I'm getting pretty sick of these loose ended articles.

You're telling me that someone ran up behind this little girl, grabbed her, was chased down, caught, man gets daughter back, suspect was held for hours, and the police were never called?

I think the media reports this fake kind of shiat because they think they are doing society some kind of favor by making them more 'aware' of the dangers that exist out there and people don't care because, hey, nothing wrong with that, right?

You tell me:

1: They caught the guy and held him for hours never calling the police and let him go?

OR-

2: This whole thing is made up to make Christmas shoppers more aware of the boogeyman?


I don't see where it says he was detained for hours. The article I saw says the girls father chased him down, then mall security escorted him out the door. Of course if you read three different articles on any news item, you typically get three contradicting accounts as to what actually happened so it's pretty much impossible to know what actually happened unless you were there.
 
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