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(New Scientist)   It's all fun and games until your snail dissolves   (newscientist.com) divider line 31
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2012-11-26 04:35:53 PM  
3 votes:
us.123rf.com

She sold seashells by the seashore.
2012-11-26 12:47:58 PM  
3 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Leviticus says that eating shellfish is a much worse abomination than homosexuality. I can see God's fingerprints all over this one.


Clearly we've transitioned from "God would never allow climate change" to "God is causing climate change and it's a good thing".
2012-11-26 12:32:55 PM  
3 votes:
the shells of sea snails

Snells of she sells...

Schnells of sea shales...

Sell of slee...

fark it.
2012-11-26 12:21:52 PM  
3 votes:
Leviticus says that eating shellfish is a much worse abomination than homosexuality. I can see God's fingerprints all over this one.
2012-11-26 04:47:58 PM  
2 votes:
And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day bringing a bag of lime to beach, and dumping it in the waves. And then my friends they may think it's a movement.
2012-11-26 04:36:29 PM  
2 votes:
This may yet turn into a slugfest...
2012-11-26 04:00:22 PM  
2 votes:
There are snails on her plate!

mojoimage.com 

/hotsy-totsy
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2012-11-26 01:06:32 PM  
2 votes:
dmtshirtdesign.com
2012-11-27 05:26:04 AM  
1 votes:
i249.photobucket.com
2012-11-26 07:09:13 PM  
1 votes:

chi_tino: Ok, members of the climate change religion. Step right up: What, exactly, would it take to convince you that nuclear power is both good for the environment and largely safe?


... I already believe that*, so, um, nothing?
*If it is done right

Well, provided we A) Make sure all the reactors follow a standardized design in order to make it far easier for the inspectors, B) Do not simply have it built by the lowest bidder, and C) Do not skimp on the construction materials?

I mean, fark, coal puts out a shiat-ton more nuclear polution than a nuke plant.

RedVentrue: Pinko_Commie: RedVentrue: Y2K

You know why Y2K never affected anyone? Mainly because people worked their asses of for several years before hand to prevent any problems.

There was no issue because it was prevented before it could hit. See any parallel to climate change there? Maybe if we do something to prevent it now, then in 20 years you can happily sit there and say "i don't know what all the fuss was about".

/or you know, do sod all about it.
//i know which one I'd prefer.

Right. Off ya go now, and fix climate change then. Let me know when yer done so we can stop panicking about it.


? That wasn't your original point. Your original point was "LOL Y2K WAS NO BIG DEAL", and he responded "Well, actually, it was going to be a problem. Not world-ending, but we dealt with it before it happened, so no one noticed anything was wrong."

and now you're going "LOL Well then fix global warming, hahaha!"

... But you're in this thread earlier going "NOTHING NEEDS TO BE FIXED!" And implying it's a conspiracy of some sort (as we all know, science is TOTALLY where the big bucks are, after all). And people are discussing plans to fix it.


So do you admit it could be a problem, and some steps may need to be taken to either fix it or mitigate its effects? There are a number of "In case of global warming, break glass" type solutions, but they could also have unknown outcomes... so should probably be last resorts. And a number of them don't reduce the CO2 in the atmosphere, so it doesn't really fix the oceanic acidification problem much.

And yes, the oceans will become more acidic as the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere increases. Basic friggen chemistry says more will dissolve in the ocean in such cases, in which case it will become more acidic. It's not a problem yet, but it easily could become one (Coral reefs, for instance, are reaaallllyyyy sensitive to changes in their surroundings. And having massive chunks of the ecosystem die off would probably be a bad thing.)

Should we 'panic'? No, if only because panicking doesn't solve crap. But it's something we should take seriously. We've only got one friggen earth. And no, we probably won't destroy all life on it, but we could very well make life really difficult for the rest of us. Especially if the farmlands get screwed over by changing climate patterns.
2012-11-26 06:22:39 PM  
1 votes:

chi_tino: Ok, members of the climate change religion. Step right up: What, exactly, would it take to convince you that nuclear power is both good for the environment and largely safe?


You to take a vacation to Chernobyl and snort some dirt like cocaine then catch a connecting flight to Fukushima and eat a bunch of fresh produce and feral cat meat.
2012-11-26 04:46:28 PM  
1 votes:
While macroevolution is controversial, microevolution is widely accepted. The snails will "evolve" into other forms, without becoming new species, that don't have shells, since they don't need them any more. This is more scare tactics - I'm not going to point fingers at "liberal" vs "conservative" scientists, but I don't think this is the first time we're seeing this type of propaganda from one of the sides.
2012-11-26 04:31:53 PM  
1 votes:
there will be a severe shortage of aragonite in much of the ocean.

Begun the aragonite wars have.
2012-11-26 04:31:40 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Leviticus says that eating mackerel is a much worse abomination than homosexuality. I can see God's fingerprints all over this one.


FTFY

/You have to understand , my people are getting wiped out.
2012-11-26 04:30:49 PM  
1 votes:
So, if I start up Aragonite Credits, will I get the same treatment as Al?

/mostly the PROFIT part, actually
2012-11-26 04:29:09 PM  
1 votes:
Headline: "Animals are already dissolving in Southern Ocean"
Article: "...found under an electron microscope that the outer layers of their hard shells bore signs of unusual corrosion."


EVERYBODY PANIC!!

There is a subtle, but really f'ing important, difference between "dissolving" and sub-microscopic "signs of unusual corrosion".

It's also one hell of a leap to go from, "Patches of [aragonite] undersaturation have already been seen" to, "By 2050, there will be a severe shortage of aragonite in much of the ocean."

imgs.xkcd.com
2012-11-26 04:16:18 PM  
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: How about giant filters that remove the CO2 from the air? Filters on factory and power plant smokestacks? Filters for sea water? It's amazing how much we talk about the problem, but not about any solutions.


Sounds expensive.
How about putting our heads in the sand? Sand absorbs CO2 doesn't it?
2012-11-26 04:14:44 PM  
1 votes:

Big Man On Campus: It's funny how in a multivariate nonlinear dynamic system complicated by countless living organisms is never expected to change in front of our very eyes.


"People often die of natural causes, therefore unnatural causes don't happen."
2012-11-26 04:14:19 PM  
1 votes:

Wayne 985: History is going to regard global warming deniers with the same consideration they give to flat Earthers and germ theory skeptics.


History is going to regard global warming deniers alarmists with the same consideration they give to flat Earthers Y2K and germ theory 2012 skeptics believers.

FTFY
2012-11-26 03:59:04 PM  
1 votes:

Wayne 985: History is going to regard global warming deniers with the same consideration they give to flat Earthers and germ theory skeptics.


In 300 million years, future species will dig up our fossils and wonder who the heck throws out a perfectly good frying pan just because the handle is a bit wobbly.
2012-11-26 03:52:38 PM  
1 votes:
God put them there to buffer the ocean. Let them do their job.
2012-11-26 03:51:52 PM  
1 votes:
Well, I guess we'd better de-industrialize.
2012-11-26 03:48:30 PM  
1 votes:
It's funny how in a multivariate nonlinear dynamic system complicated by countless living organisms is never expected to change in front of our very eyes.
2012-11-26 03:48:27 PM  
1 votes:
I hate to sound like an alarmist, but this kind of thing is alarming.
2012-11-26 03:46:30 PM  
1 votes:
"As well as warming the planet, the carbon dioxide we emit ...."

Well gee. Maybe we all (except you of course cuz you're so much better than us) should just stop breathing and keel over, Professor Pissypants!
2012-11-26 03:44:52 PM  
1 votes:
They'll just evolve to use plastic grocery bags as their new protection.

/here's hoping they learn to evolve quickly. Like, tomorrow quickly.
2012-11-26 03:40:44 PM  
1 votes:

Richard Saunders: Marcus Aurelius: Richard Saunders: This is your snail...

This is your snail on acid rain.

CO2, actually, but pH don't care.

Yeah, I just couldn't make "acid ocean" sound right in my brane BRINE...

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2012-11-26 03:40:43 PM  
1 votes:

Lumpmoose


Marcus Aurelius: Leviticus says that eating shellfish is a much worse abomination than homosexuality. I can see God's fingerprints all over this one.

Clearly we've transitioned from "God would never allow climate change" to "God is causing climate change and it's a good thing".


And we've always been at war with Eastasia.


Woohoo, the chocolate ration was increased again!
2012-11-26 01:44:50 PM  
1 votes:
i236.photobucket.com

Does not approve.

/Meow
2012-11-26 01:41:48 PM  
1 votes:
is that some kind of euphemism?
2012-11-26 12:50:45 PM  
1 votes:
Say WHAT?
 
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