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(Wall Street Journal)   Want proof China already owns us? The producer of 'Red Dawn' said "And to make a long story short, no one would distribute the film if the enemy was China"   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 17
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2012-11-26 12:56:54 PM
9 votes:
China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.
2012-11-26 12:19:17 PM
6 votes:
Proof that Hollywood markets movies in China, you mean?
2012-11-26 03:17:40 PM
2 votes:

coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.



E.T.
2012-11-26 01:07:51 PM
2 votes:
The studio suits should have seen this from the beginning. If they absolutely had to remake this (which they didn't), they should have made it a period piece and gone with the Soviets again. But no one accused studio suits of being smart.

If they had to set it in the present, China produces every piece of shiat we buy. If they cut that off for a few weeks, that would put them in a semi-realistic position to invade us. North Korea is a farking joke.
2012-11-26 12:53:22 PM
2 votes:

ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


With machine guns that were used in the Korean war. Seal Team 6 could probably take out half of the NK army by themselves.
2012-11-26 12:51:05 PM
2 votes:
My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.
2012-11-26 03:46:02 PM
1 votes:

Tailgunner Joe: As someone who was a teen in the 80's....I don't know if I will or be able to sit through this remake.

Hell the original had some great lines

After the first action with the enemy:

Danny,"they were people"
Robert, "yeah?....well so was my dad"

Mr Eckert...."Avenge me boys!!!Avenge me!!!!"

Good stuff!, great cast, they even threw in Powers Boothe.

Sure it was a campy pro-USA! USA! movie, but I always thought it was pretty good. Milius even got it right when the enemy commander told his troops to go to the sporting good store to get the "form 4473's" to find out who owned/bought guns.

The original was a even a pretty good primer for WW3 survival, to this day the friggin' mayors kid isn't coming no where near any group of mine.


They had the perfect opportunity to use the "Avenge me Boys!" line, and didn't use it. Right before the NKs execute the dad, they have him trying to talk to his sons over a loudspeaker. He gives some speech about how they have to fight, blah, blah, blah. You could tell the whole theater was waiting for him to end with "Avenge me boys! Avenge me!" but they didn't. The movie just went downhill from there.
2012-11-26 03:44:35 PM
1 votes:

devildog123: coeyagi: Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.

Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.

Dances with Wolves/Avatar.


Avatar - extra-terrestrials, not a foreign country, and one of the protagonists was American.

Dances with Wolves - also, one of the protagonists was American
2012-11-26 03:21:53 PM
1 votes:

DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


E.T.



Starman.
 
Dr. Strangelove
2012-11-26 02:48:19 PM
1 votes:
And yet when we make movies where the US is the villain, the US audience still watches it with no qualms whatsoever. The Bourne movies would be a good example.

A basic sense of humor and perspective is required to function in the modern world, China should take note of that in their efforts to catch up to the rest of us.
2012-11-26 02:46:51 PM
1 votes:
How faithful is it to the original? I remember the original as being a movie about how enemy combatants refused to wear a uniform, blend into the civilian population, and commit terrorist acts against an occuping army. Conservatives loved it. Weird.
2012-11-26 02:37:55 PM
1 votes:
Original movie: Russians, Cubans, AND Mexicans invade. Not terribly plausible unless they had developed the tech to wipe our our ability to respond, but it's a small leap and a fun escape-from-reality movie.

This movie: One nation with considerably less man-power, economics, technology, and the rest.... decides to drive/fly across the Pacific to invade the US mainland. South Korea, Japan, China, and even Russia apparently sit around letting it happen (and if they were to suddenly change their tune, apparently decide not to assist NK).

Here's hoping this lands among the other unrealistic fantasy trash movies (Atlas Shrugged, etc).
2012-11-26 02:36:07 PM
1 votes:
Soviet Russia WAS an enemy of the United States and China is currently a business partner, so there was at least some real fear and reality back in the 80's. The reason nobody would sign on to it is because the entire concept is idiotic. I got it! Lets make a movie about the US invading Canada!
2012-11-26 02:32:47 PM
1 votes:
Should have set it in West Texas, and had them be Mexican Cartels. Viola, semi-plausible and no one is offended
2012-11-26 02:14:45 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.


I watched the original Red Dawn again a couple nights ago. That was probably my favorite movie growing up as I was young enough to be scared to death of that kind of shiat. The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable. Lets face it - we had a great enemy back then. An entire country and population we could hate and point missiles at. Now we have Best Korea and a rag-tag group of terrorists on the outskirts of some shiathole in the middle east.

This new Red Dawn is for the Twilight crowd. All kinds of glitz, great hair, Armani clothes, Somehow the kids get military training growing up in a rich white neighborhood and that's never explained. No one is tough.. They try to make all the "men" sensitive wimps. The girls never seem to get dirty or a hair out of place. Seriously.. You're better off watching Twilight than this, at least they have gay vampires.

Once more though I'm mystified as to why Hollywood continues to reboot movies that were excellent to begin with. Who not take a good concept badly executed (like Johnny Neumonic) and make it into a good movie?
2012-11-26 12:25:24 PM
1 votes:

HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US


IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world
2012-11-26 12:19:19 PM
1 votes:
The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US
 
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