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(Wall Street Journal)   Want proof China already owns us? The producer of 'Red Dawn' said "And to make a long story short, no one would distribute the film if the enemy was China"   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 209
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2012-11-27 02:17:18 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: xynix: Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.

I watched the original Red Dawn again a couple nights ago. That was probably my favorite movie growing up as I was young enough to be scared to death of that kind of shiat. The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable. Lets face it - we had a great enemy back then. An entire country and population we could hate and point missiles at. Now we have Best Korea and a rag-tag group of terrorists on the outskirts of some shiathole in the middle east.

This new Red Dawn is for the Twilight crowd. All kinds of glitz, great hair, Armani clothes, Somehow the kids get military training growing up in a rich white neighborhood and that's never explained. No one is tough.. They try to make all the "men" sensitive wimps. The girls never seem to get dirty or a hair out of place. Seriously.. You're better off watching Twilight than this, at least they have gay vampires.

Once more though I'm mystified as to why Hollywood continues to reboot movies that were excellent to begin with. Who not take a good concept badly executed (like Johnny Neumonic) and make it into a good movie?

The catch is that the propaganda (both US and Soviet) were too effective in 1984. While the idea of commies invading the US was completely unbelievable (I was what, 15 and understood that I could have wound up like that, if I didn't live in a country that spent uncountable billions on the military) it wasn't the complete joke to others. Two things: first, the communist collapse would happen in roughly 5 years. Second, Robert Heinlein had published a book called "Expanded Universe" in 1980 that included a bunch of pre-stroke short fiction and near the end some updates on predictions of the future and descriptions of the then-USSR (note, of all the stuff that he claimed would happen before 2000 [in 1950], only "proof of life after death" and "the fall of communism" hadn't happened yet. He decided to stand fast on both, even though he didn't see any reason to hope for what would happen in half that time.

I am also amused that "political correctness" == "market forces" here and that those that would blindly obey one will attack the other on sight, even when they are obviously one and the same.


Yep, the original was great. No need for a reboot, especially since it won't work anymore. In the 80's, we were in the last decade of the Cold War, Russia was our enemy, and Cuba was the psycho neighbor you hide behind the curtain to watch when you call the cops on him. It worked: The military power of the Soviet Union coupled with the tactical advantage of Cuba's location. Now with the U.S.S.R. no more, the premise galls apart. Whether believable before or not, this new shiat is definitely in the 'Who is on LSD?' category. Remaking it just pisses people off, with a net gain of about 5 fans who wouldn't have preferred the original, even if they had never even heard of it.
 
2012-11-27 05:53:10 AM  

Mikey1969: Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.


I agree, and the same thing goes for "Arthur".

I also agree with those who say the movie made sense in the 80's with the cold war but not now. Besides Cuba, I believe Nicaragua was communist at the time also making the story plausible from a logistical standpoint. It makes no sense in so many ways that North Korea could manage to stage any sort of U.S. invasion and occupation, especially with the technology the U.S. military has.

But then those are things people with common sense think about, not the target audience of the movie. I can see how this appeals to a certain segment of the U.S. populace; look how successful "2016" was. The movie is basically "porn for the derpers" and a fantasy dream for the tin foil hat crowd. They not only see the premise of the movie believable, but plausible by the many enemies created by the conservative echo chamber.
 
2012-11-27 06:34:50 AM  

heavymetal: Mikey1969: Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.

I agree, and the same thing goes for "Arthur".

I also agree with those who say the movie made sense in the 80's with the cold war but not now. Besides Cuba, I believe Nicaragua was communist at the time also making the story plausible from a logistical standpoint. It makes no sense in so many ways that North Korea could manage to stage any sort of U.S. invasion and occupation, especially with the technology the U.S. military has.

But then those are things people with common sense think about, not the target audience of the movie. I can see how this appeals to a certain segment of the U.S. populace; look how successful "2016" was. The movie is basically "porn for the derpers" and a fantasy dream for the tin foil hat crowd. They not only see the premise of the movie believable, but plausible by the many enemies created by the conservative echo chamber.


I would have liked to see a remake entirely from the POV of the Cuban colonel.

Also, will they still have the "500 million screaming Chinamen" line? Because that is no longer the preferred nomenclature.
 
2012-11-27 10:21:58 AM  

Mugato:
If they had to set it in the present, China produces every piece of shiat we buy. If they cut that off for a few weeks, that would put them in a semi-realistic position to invade us. North Korea is a farking joke.


I think they missed an opportunity for some really good plot twists with China as the antagonist. Consumer, computer and network electronics get shut down by a Red kill switch. China buys up all of the foreign owned US debt, etc, yadda yadda.
 
2012-11-27 01:27:14 PM  

maddogdelta: Granny_Panties: I got it! Lets make a movie about the US invading Canada!

[www.warof1812.ca image 219x326]

Works for me. We need more movies with strong female leads


Not a very riveting story for the movie-going public. You'd have to add a lot of explosions. Or a dog. I'm not sure which.

\Definitely not both.
 
2012-11-27 01:32:34 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: maddogdelta: Granny_Panties: I got it! Lets make a movie about the US invading Canada!

[www.warof1812.ca image 219x326]

Works for me. We need more movies with strong female leads

Not a very riveting story for the movie-going public. You'd have to add a lot of explosions. Or a dog. I'm not sure which.

\Definitely not both.


lost of exploding dogs would be optimal.
 
2012-11-27 05:36:37 PM  
So can anyone explain why the US is even getting invaded in this movie? Do we have a secret oil reserve that I don't know about or something? Because it seems like the effort to keep Americans in line is far more trouble than it's worth.
 
2012-11-27 05:55:39 PM  

schrodinger: So can anyone explain why the US is even getting invaded in this movie? Do we have a secret oil reserve that I don't know about or something? Because it seems like the effort to keep Americans in line is far more trouble than it's worth.


Why did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor? Why did the Dutch invade Poland? Sometimes there just isn't an answer for it besides they felt like doing some invading.
 
2012-11-28 09:01:40 AM  

schrodinger: So can anyone explain why the US is even getting invaded in this movie? Do we have a secret oil reserve that I don't know about or something? Because it seems like the effort to keep Americans in line is far more trouble than it's worth.


It's a surivialist wank-fest. It's like nerds who dream about a zombie apocalypse. You get to forget your dreary lives and pick up a gun and shoot bad guys. The zombie scenario is more realistic.
 
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