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(Wall Street Journal)   Want proof China already owns us? The producer of 'Red Dawn' said "And to make a long story short, no one would distribute the film if the enemy was China"   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 209
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2012-11-26 12:19:17 PM
Proof that Hollywood markets movies in China, you mean?
 
2012-11-26 12:19:19 PM
The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US
 
2012-11-26 12:20:06 PM
WE GET ALL OF OUR CHEAP SH*T FROM THERE.
 
2012-11-26 12:25:24 PM

HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US


IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world
 
2012-11-26 12:27:18 PM

ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.
 
2012-11-26 12:42:57 PM

ToxicMunkee: WE GET ALL OF OUR CHEAP SH*T FROM THERE.


I don't know...I knewa cheap slut in HS and she was from Brazil.
 
2012-11-26 12:44:22 PM
It would be more believable that a bunch of kids could fend off an attack from Best Korea.

Why does North Korea test nukes underground?

Because their missiles never launch.
 
2012-11-26 12:48:49 PM

make me some tea: ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world

They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.


Im pretty sure best Korea would have to fly coach to get enough troops over here to invade.
 
2012-11-26 12:51:05 PM
My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.
 
2012-11-26 12:52:48 PM
This was news 6 months ago when it happened, but yeah Hollywood has no balls. Make a movie that the Chinese won't steal, or make a movie that Americans don't want to see. It was never even a hard choice.
 
2012-11-26 12:53:22 PM

ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


With machine guns that were used in the Korean war. Seal Team 6 could probably take out half of the NK army by themselves.
 
2012-11-26 12:56:00 PM

traxan: Seal Team 6 could probably take out half of the NK army by themselves.


Hell, even a bunch of redneck kids in the woods could probably pull that off.
 
2012-11-26 12:56:54 PM
China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.
 
2012-11-26 01:06:10 PM
Actually, it was Wal-Mart that applied the pressure
 
2012-11-26 01:07:51 PM
The studio suits should have seen this from the beginning. If they absolutely had to remake this (which they didn't), they should have made it a period piece and gone with the Soviets again. But no one accused studio suits of being smart.

If they had to set it in the present, China produces every piece of shiat we buy. If they cut that off for a few weeks, that would put them in a semi-realistic position to invade us. North Korea is a farking joke.
 
2012-11-26 01:10:13 PM
Personally, I think they should've had the Canadians invade

Red Dawn 2: It's Aboot Time
 
2012-11-26 01:29:48 PM

Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.


Who are you yelling at?
 
2012-11-26 01:38:42 PM
There's a lot of people in China.

They watch movies.

That is all.
 
2012-11-26 01:42:37 PM

make me some tea: ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world

They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.


We'd just air drop some pizzas and other food stuff, and they'd probably defect immediately. I hear they don't eat so well up there.
 
2012-11-26 02:05:20 PM

DrySocket: make me some tea: ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world

They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.

Im pretty sure best Korea would have to fly coach to get enough troops over here to invade.


They can't afford that. They'll have to use makeshift rafts, inner tubes, balloons and lawn chairs, etc.

If any make it, we take them to Hometown Buffet and the invasion fizzles.
 
2012-11-26 02:09:35 PM

Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.


The national debt has absolutely nothing to do with movie distribution. Nothing.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.

Who are you yelling at?


Clouds?

Lionel Mandrake: There's a lot of people in China.

They watch movies.

That is all.


I hear that not paying for them is big over there, though.
 
2012-11-26 02:14:45 PM

Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.


I watched the original Red Dawn again a couple nights ago. That was probably my favorite movie growing up as I was young enough to be scared to death of that kind of shiat. The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable. Lets face it - we had a great enemy back then. An entire country and population we could hate and point missiles at. Now we have Best Korea and a rag-tag group of terrorists on the outskirts of some shiathole in the middle east.

This new Red Dawn is for the Twilight crowd. All kinds of glitz, great hair, Armani clothes, Somehow the kids get military training growing up in a rich white neighborhood and that's never explained. No one is tough.. They try to make all the "men" sensitive wimps. The girls never seem to get dirty or a hair out of place. Seriously.. You're better off watching Twilight than this, at least they have gay vampires.

Once more though I'm mystified as to why Hollywood continues to reboot movies that were excellent to begin with. Who not take a good concept badly executed (like Johnny Neumonic) and make it into a good movie?
 
2012-11-26 02:20:31 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Who are you yelling at?


Every single person who has ever said anything to the effect of "lol china owns us" or "selling your children's future to China for more welfare checks", and furthermore
 
2012-11-26 02:23:56 PM

Jackson Herring: Some 'Splainin' To Do: Who are you yelling at?

Every single person who has ever said anything to the effect of "lol china japan owns us" or "selling your children's future to China Japan for more welfare checks", and furthermore


Lets step back to 1987... Didn't happen then, won't happen now. I remember reading quite a few SciFi books written in the 80s and Japan ran the world. Silly concept.
 
2012-11-26 02:24:11 PM
Thor rescues us from Best Korea?  Surely no one would make that movie.
 
2012-11-26 02:30:40 PM
China doesn't own us, capitalism owns the both of us
 
2012-11-26 02:30:51 PM

Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.


I caught Fast Five on cable once.. wasn't bad. Haven't seen the rest, though, and IMDB does rate that one the highest.
 
2012-11-26 02:31:21 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: This was news 6 months ago when it happened, but yeah Hollywood has no balls. Make a movie that the Chinese won't steal, or make a movie that Americans don't want to see. It was never even a hard choice.


B-but we need moar monies to buy moar nose candy and another learjet!!!!

/hollywoodexecvoiceoff
 
2012-11-26 02:32:42 PM
Right wing conspiracy sites like the wall street journal are getting even crazier now that Obama got reelected. These are the same business decisions that have greeters saying Happy Holidays, you can't alienate pieces of your customer base.
 
2012-11-26 02:32:47 PM
Should have set it in West Texas, and had them be Mexican Cartels. Viola, semi-plausible and no one is offended
 
2012-11-26 02:32:50 PM
Subby must have been one of those a-holes who protested against the US because some guy made an derogatory movie about the Prophet Muhammad. He does not get the idea that the US govt does not control the film industry.

//hell, they don't control the rating system.
 
2012-11-26 02:33:04 PM
Best Korea could take over any country it wanted to. They have transcended Marxist thought. They are on a whole new level of intelligent compared to the rest of the world. That's why I strong support the teaching of Juche to everyone in the US so that we may combat them with their own magnificent wisdom.

If you don't agree with me, well it looks like we're going to have to cut your rations of grass and tree bark down.
 
2012-11-26 02:34:15 PM
Old Hollywood saying : " Hitler could get three movie deal if he had a good opening weekend."
 
2012-11-26 02:34:54 PM

Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.


t3.gstatic.com

Let the Chicom come collect.
 
2012-11-26 02:36:07 PM
Soviet Russia WAS an enemy of the United States and China is currently a business partner, so there was at least some real fear and reality back in the 80's. The reason nobody would sign on to it is because the entire concept is idiotic. I got it! Lets make a movie about the US invading Canada!
 
2012-11-26 02:37:36 PM

monoski: Subby must have been one of those a-holes who protested against the US because some guy made an derogatory movie about the Prophet Muhammad. He does not get the idea that the US govt does not control the film industry.

//hell, they don't control the rating system.


They do control it through threat of censorship. Had the government not threatened to do so, the industry never would have volunteered to do it themselves. Same with music and game ratings.
 
2012-11-26 02:37:37 PM
# of potential tickets sold by country:

North Korea - 1
China - 1 billion
 
2012-11-26 02:37:55 PM
Original movie: Russians, Cubans, AND Mexicans invade. Not terribly plausible unless they had developed the tech to wipe our our ability to respond, but it's a small leap and a fun escape-from-reality movie.

This movie: One nation with considerably less man-power, economics, technology, and the rest.... decides to drive/fly across the Pacific to invade the US mainland. South Korea, Japan, China, and even Russia apparently sit around letting it happen (and if they were to suddenly change their tune, apparently decide not to assist NK).

Here's hoping this lands among the other unrealistic fantasy trash movies (Atlas Shrugged, etc).
 
2012-11-26 02:38:12 PM

Insatiable Jesus: t3.gstatic.com

Let the Chicom come collect.


Ayup. Which is the reason why both Red Dawn movies are supremely insulting.
 
2012-11-26 02:39:44 PM

xynix: Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.

I watched the original Red Dawn again a couple nights ago. That was probably my favorite movie growing up as I was young enough to be scared to death of that kind of shiat. The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable. Lets face it - we had a great enemy back then. An entire country and population we could hate and point missiles at. Now we have Best Korea and a rag-tag group of terrorists on the outskirts of some shiathole in the middle east.

This new Red Dawn is for the Twilight crowd. All kinds of glitz, great hair, Armani clothes, Somehow the kids get military training growing up in a rich white neighborhood and that's never explained. No one is tough.. They try to make all the "men" sensitive wimps. The girls never seem to get dirty or a hair out of place. Seriously.. You're better off watching Twilight than this, at least they have gay vampires.

Once more though I'm mystified as to why Hollywood continues to reboot movies that were excellent to begin with. Who not take a good concept badly executed (like Johnny Neumonic) and make it into a good movie?


Eh, I went and saw it, more for the lulz than anything else. Pretty stupid, nowhere near as good as the original. The one from the 80's seemed far more realistic. Scared, half starving kids who for the most part pulled small raids on supply convoys, isolated engineer units, and small patrols. This new crew was running around the city pretty much unchecked, shooting up a major metropolitan area with little or no problems. The North Koreans were running around in Humvees and with Abrams tanks for crying out loud. Outside of the AKs, they didn't even attempt to use Soviet equipment, just American gear. They do explain the combat training though. The Patrick Swayze replacement had spent 6 years in the Marines, and was still on active duty, just home on leave. He trained them up, there was a little training montage even. I'm not saying it was realistic, just that it was explained. They also decided to bring the Russians in, helping the NKs, to explain how those losers even got here.
 
2012-11-26 02:39:47 PM

Granny_Panties: I got it! Lets make a movie about the US invading Canada!


www.warof1812.ca

Works for me. We need more movies with strong female leads
 
2012-11-26 02:40:05 PM
We in the US don't have that much history with China relative to other countries. I'd imagine that's the reason why
 
2012-11-26 02:40:31 PM

Granny_Panties: Soviet Russia WAS an enemy of the United States and China is currently a business partner, so there was at least some real fear and reality back in the 80's. The reason nobody would sign on to it is because the entire concept is idiotic. I got it! Lets make a movie about the US Canada invading Canada the US!


content7.flixster.com
 
2012-11-26 02:41:42 PM

Jackson Herring: Some 'Splainin' To Do: Who are you yelling at?

Every single person who has ever said anything to the effect of "lol china owns us" or "selling your children's future to China for more welfare checks", and furthermore


so you must think 0bama is a xenophobe and are angry at him, right?

"take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents"


Besides, they own us more than American households own (1.2T vs. 959B).
 
2012-11-26 02:41:54 PM
Yes, making the enemy North Korea totally ruins the plausibility of this movie.
 
2012-11-26 02:43:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Proof that Hollywood markets movies in China, you mean?


Quick and effective. Well done.
 
2012-11-26 02:43:53 PM

Lost Thought 00: Should have set it in West Texas, and had them be Mexican Cartels. Viola, semi-plausible and no one is offended


Other than the Mexicans, the 38.7 million Hispanics in the U.S. and most of Central and South America.
 
2012-11-26 02:44:23 PM

make me some tea: ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world

They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.


We could sit a few miles off the coast and kill every last one of them with a couple of our really big, disgustingly powerful boats. So we've got that going for us, which is nice.
 
2012-11-26 02:45:10 PM
More than likely China just said, "Don't associate us with this stupid piece of shiat."
 
2012-11-26 02:45:21 PM

devildog123: They also decided to bring the Russians in, helping the NKs, to explain how those losers even got here.


Ah. Well I retract that part of my previous statement.
 
2012-11-26 02:46:31 PM
Oh, yes. China "owns us" because they're a major film market that our film studios want to sell movies to. Don't be stupid, subby.
 
2012-11-26 02:46:42 PM
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com

This movie was produced years ago. The revelation that the enemy changed for this very reason is at least a year old itself.
 
2012-11-26 02:46:51 PM
How faithful is it to the original? I remember the original as being a movie about how enemy combatants refused to wear a uniform, blend into the civilian population, and commit terrorist acts against an occuping army. Conservatives loved it. Weird.
 
2012-11-26 02:46:56 PM

ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


Standing armies need a blue water Navy and an Air Force with massive airlift capability to get anywhere. N. Korea has neither.
 
2012-11-26 02:47:11 PM
The filmed this movie in and around Pontiac, MI, where I was working at the time. We could hear the explosions from our office. The sad thing is they didn't really have to do much to make the city look like it was war-torn.
 
2012-11-26 02:47:18 PM
Why would the vampire council be Chinese?
 
2012-11-26 02:48:19 PM
And yet when we make movies where the US is the villain, the US audience still watches it with no qualms whatsoever. The Bourne movies would be a good example.

A basic sense of humor and perspective is required to function in the modern world, China should take note of that in their efforts to catch up to the rest of us.
 
2012-11-26 02:49:03 PM

stevetherobot: Lost Thought 00: Should have set it in West Texas, and had them be Mexican Cartels. Viola, semi-plausible and no one is offended

Other than the Mexicans, the 38.7 million Hispanics in the U.S. and most of Central and South America.


That's pretty racist
 
2012-11-26 02:49:10 PM

xynix: The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable.


That's the biggest problem I have with all these remakes: they're too perfect. When the fights are so coreograhed they look like a dance, except both characters are just ordinary people with no fight training, it just breaks the movie. Same with the supermodels with perfect hair and teeth that are supposed to be high school kids. Not buying it.

I've been watching a lot of BBC. Most of the time the actors actually look like real people, and it makes the experience so much better.
 
2012-11-26 02:50:13 PM
Goddamn it people.

China doesn't own us. They hold what? 8% of our debt?

China and the US may be joined at the hip, but they suffer badly every time US consumer spending drops.

//Got tired of the "Japan owns us" in the 80's, and I'm tired of the "China owns us" now.
 
2012-11-26 02:50:26 PM

Jim_Callahan: And yet when we make movies where the US is the villain, the US audience still watches it with no qualms whatsoever. The Bourne movies would be a good example.

A basic sense of humor and perspective is required to function in the modern world, China should take note of that in their efforts to catch up to the rest of us.


Um, Bourne is a bad example since the protagonist and antagonist are both US citizens. In fact, most American movies fall in that mold.

Care to find one that breaks that mold (villain is American, hero is foreign)? Not saying there aren't, but none come to mind quickly.
 
2012-11-26 02:50:34 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Why would the vampire council be Chinese?


www.waleg.com

Ask Kitty
 
2012-11-26 02:55:19 PM

for good or for awesome: Yes, making the enemy North Korea totally ruins the plausibility of this movie.



In its defense, North Korea is essentially a Bond villian.  I mean, it is a country too, but basically it's SPECTRE, or Hugo Drax, or Auric Goldfinger.  So, in that way, it is as believable as Bond.
 
Now, this is why aliens makes the best Red Dawn antagonist.  Make them red...give them nicknames like Martian or Rusties.  Have them invade after disabling our nukes and internet or something.  Then they kill off everyone over 40 leaving the fight to the youngsters.
 
Off to write a short story...Red Midmorning.
 
2012-11-26 02:55:35 PM

coeyagi: Care to find one that breaks that mold (villain is American, hero is foreign)? Not saying there aren't, but none come to mind quickly.


one of the Bond films?
 
2012-11-26 02:56:39 PM

GoodyearPimp: Original movie: Russians, Cubans, AND Mexicans invade. Not terribly plausible unless they had developed the tech to wipe our our ability to respond, but it's a small leap and a fun escape-from-reality movie.

This movie: One nation with considerably less man-power, economics, technology, and the rest.... decides to drive/fly across the Pacific to invade the US mainland. South Korea, Japan, China, and even Russia apparently sit around letting it happen (and if they were to suddenly change their tune, apparently decide not to assist NK).

Here's hoping this lands among the other unrealistic fantasy trash movies (Atlas Shrugged, etc).


Didn't see the movie did you? Next time watch a movie before you try to make comments like this about it.

It wasn't just NK that invaded. NK was part of a coalition of countries that invaded. NK part of the invasion was to invade and hold the Pacific Northwest, which is why this movie takes place in Seattle.
It was also explained that Russia held the East Coast, China was mentioned as being part of the invasion. It was also mentioned that most of the U.S Military force was deployed handling conflicts in the Middle East and NATO was basically defunct because most of the European countries were in economic collapse.

Now the movie does take huge suspension of belief to believe, especially the A-Team like montage were the kids get accelerated military training from a Marine on leave, but for what it was, it wasn't a bad movie.
 
2012-11-26 03:00:35 PM
I want a remake of Duck Soup / The Mouse that Roared.
 
2012-11-26 03:00:43 PM
That's got more to do with hyper political correctness than anything.
 
2012-11-26 03:00:46 PM
Things that threw me off this Red Dawn remake:

1. It's a Red Dawn remake. That movie had one decade where it could be relevant, it happened there, and it never needed to be revisited or updated.

2. North Korea invading America? Really? They can barely feed their people and they field 40+ year old fighter jets.

3. Chris Hemsworth doing his Thor voice, because he can't do an American accent.
 
2012-11-26 03:02:21 PM
Thanks for the impromptu review, xynix.

I want to see this movie after watching the original at home so I can laugh hysterically right in the theater and get thrown out by a surly usher.

The lulz will be worth every penny of the 10 bucks.
 
2012-11-26 03:02:59 PM

Jim_Callahan: And yet when we make movies where the US is the villain, the US audience still watches it with no qualms whatsoever. The Bourne movies would be a good example.

A basic sense of humor and perspective is required to function in the modern world, China should take note of that in their efforts to catch up to the rest of us.


Their response to this is typically along the lines of "We've been the largest economy in the world for 18 out of the last 20 centuries, and we're going to be the biggest in the 21st Century too. What do you mean "effort to catch up"?
 
2012-11-26 03:03:34 PM
I went and saw it over the holiday. It was a cheesy action movie. Pretty much what you'd expect from a remake of a cheesy action movie. I enjoyed the terrorist-style fighting, but sadly there weren't as many of these as I hoped for.


There were 3 things that annoyed me:

- I REALLY wanted to cock-punch the younger brother. He just has one of those faces that seem punchable.

- In an extremely short period of time, these kids turned from suburban morons to C4-using, pinpoint accurate shooters. Even if the main character was a Marine there is no way he could train them up fast enough to do what they did. I wish the director had made them a bit "sloppier".

- I hated the team of old guys that dropped in asking for help stealing something. They were chubby and old, far from what I would consider a Seal or Ranger. Even in the original, the Air Force pilot seems like more of a bad-ass.
 
2012-11-26 03:04:37 PM

coeyagi: Care to find one that breaks that mold (villain is American, hero is foreign)? Not saying there aren't, but none come to mind quickly.


Diamonds are Forever, I suppose. Or at least that was the case in the book, I can't say I remember the movie particularly.

The Godfather was all about how the immigrant generation of the family was relatively virtuous where their american-born descendants were evil little shiats.

Enter the Dragon, while not a US movie as such, sold very well here and the villain was Chuck Norris, his character literally called "the American" through most of the movie.

Apocalypse Now, currently considered something of a classic, doesn't really have a protagonist but the US in all its forms is definitively the villain on every level.

I think just the fact that I can reel these off from the top of my head without resorting to Google and none of them are terribly obscure kinda demonstrates my point, I think. By and large we have a very high tolerance for people casting us in a negative light, it's one of the biggest things we've got going for us as a civilization. British media tends to be somewhat similar, as does French. Basically, it's one of the fast ways to tell whether a nation is a first-world country or not, if they are then the majority of their citizens are willing to acknowledge that their land has its faults.
 
2012-11-26 03:05:25 PM

Kittypie070: Thanks for the impromptu review, xynix.

I want to see this movie after watching the original at home so I can laugh hysterically right in the theater and get thrown out by a surly usher.

The lulz will be worth every penny of the 10 bucks.



Turn it into a version of Rocky Horror Picture Show.  Bring props to throw at the screen.  Dress like Charlie Sheen.  When they say Wolverines, hold up your hand with Wolvernine Claws.
 
2012-11-26 03:05:58 PM

Headso: coeyagi: Care to find one that breaks that mold (villain is American, hero is foreign)? Not saying there aren't, but none come to mind quickly.

one of the Bond films?


Yeah, that would probably be a handful, maybe a half dozen. A View to a Kill. The Living Daylights (one of the villains, the Joe Don Baker one). Not as familiar with the older Bond movies.

But Bond has a global audience, and the difference again is that the villain isn't a US government agent or entity. The villain would have been the Chinese army and government in the original version. Can you imagine Saving Private Feichtinger doing well in the United States?
 
2012-11-26 03:06:25 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.

[t3.gstatic.com image 280x180]

Let the Chicom come collect.


indeed
MIRV delivering peace and happiness ( at the end of each ray of sunshine would be a mushroom cloud)
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-26 03:09:52 PM
I understand not wanting to ruin the Chinese market, but couldn't they pick a better bad guy country than North Korea? They eat dog poop to keep from starving.
 
2012-11-26 03:10:07 PM

Jim_Callahan: And yet when we make movies where the US is the villain, the US audience still watches it with no qualms whatsoever. The Bourne movies would be a good example.

A basic sense of humor and perspective is required to function in the modern world, China should take note of that in their efforts to catch up to the rest of us.


You mean like in Master and Commander where they clearly did not replace the American opponents with French in order to not piss off Americans?

Not to mention god knows how many movies where they replace the foreign protagonist with an American even if it makes no sense.
 
2012-11-26 03:12:26 PM
Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.
 
2012-11-26 03:13:41 PM

meat0918: Goddamn it people.

China doesn't own us. They hold what? 8% of our debt?

You may want to let 0bama know that: "take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents -- number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back"

Besides, they own more debt than US households have.


.

 
2012-11-26 03:14:30 PM
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This movie was produced years ago. The revelation that the enemy changed for this very reason is at least a year old itself.


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-26 03:17:40 PM

coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.



E.T.
 
2012-11-26 03:19:20 PM

randomjsa: That's got more to do with hyper political correctness than anything.


So, what you're saying is

LIBS!! LIBS!! LIIIIIIIIIIBS!!!!!111!!!1!
 

...interesting
 
2012-11-26 03:19:35 PM

DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


E.T.


Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

//also, they tempered the "evil" of the U.S. government with Peter Coyote who wasn't evil.

//Oh, did you mean the Van Nuys classic "E.T. The Extra Testicle"?
 
2012-11-26 03:20:37 PM

Tigger: Their response to this is typically along the lines of "We've been the largest economy in the world for 18 out of the last 20 centuries, and we're going to be the biggest in the 21st Century too. What do you mean "effort to catch up"?


Culturally and technologically, mostly. They're still hurting from that whole bit where they murdered the everloving shiat out of every educated person they could find during the later bits of their revolution, that sorta backfired on them hard.

The fact that mainland China (as opposed to Hong Kong) has produced all of two or three movies that anyone gave a shiat about internationally in the entirety of the last century is actually a really, really big sore spot with them.

//"We're going to be the biggest economy of the 21st century" is more diplomatic braggadocio than something that's actually going to happen. The US still has easily twice the nominal GDP of China, as will the EU if it ever gets its act together and starts acting as an actual unified economy.
 
2012-11-26 03:21:53 PM

DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


E.T.



Starman.
 
Dr. Strangelove
 
2012-11-26 03:22:40 PM

coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.



Inglorious Bastards? I had a hard time identifying with unrepentant two dimensional sociopaths. All the Nazis, while being Nazis, were more fully developed, and as such, more sympathetic. Very strange ass movie.
 
2012-11-26 03:23:26 PM

randomjsa: That's got more to do with hyper political correctness than anything.


How is making the Chinamen the bad guys less politically correct (ie, racist) than making the North Koreans the bad guys?

It's about making box office dollars in China. Now why they didn't realize this from the beginning? I can't answer. I'm not a coked up studio suit.
 
2012-11-26 03:23:42 PM

I_C_Weener: DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


E.T.


Starman.
 
Dr. Strangelove


I'll give you Strangelove, but Starman and E.T. are kinda thin since they are extra terrestrials. Are Americans going to lash out and f*ck with trade relations with the Vulcans when those types of movies come out?
 
2012-11-26 03:24:01 PM

coeyagi: I_C_Weener: DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


E.T.


Starman.
 
Dr. Strangelove

I'll give you Strangelove, but Starman and E.T. are kinda thin since they are extra terrestrials. Are Americans going to lash out and f*ck with trade relations with the Vulcans when those types of movies come out?



Failsafe.
 
2012-11-26 03:24:52 PM
Fun fact: the writer behind the original Red Dawn, John Milius, is one of Hollywood's most famous republicans, and was the basis for John Goodman's character in The Big Lebowski.

If you're into this sort of thing, try reading his original screenplay for Apocalypse Now. It's hilarious, and ends with Martin Sheen's character single-handedly shooting down all of the planes after he calls in the airstrike.
 
2012-11-26 03:29:11 PM

I_C_Weener: coeyagi: I_C_Weener: DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


E.T.


Starman.
 
Dr. Strangelove

I'll give you Strangelove, but Starman and E.T. are kinda thin since they are extra terrestrials. Are Americans going to lash out and f*ck with trade relations with the Vulcans when those types of movies come out?


Failsafe.


Incorrect. They redeemed themselves by letting the Soviets bomb New York, if I recall. The antagonist was technology. Again, IIRC.
 
2012-11-26 03:30:46 PM

I_C_Weener: coeyagi: I_C_Weener: DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


E.T.


Starman.
 
Dr. Strangelove

I'll give you Strangelove, but Starman and E.T. are kinda thin since they are extra terrestrials. Are Americans going to lash out and f*ck with trade relations with the Vulcans when those types of movies come out?


Failsafe.


Apocalypse Now.
Seven Days in May
 
2012-11-26 03:30:46 PM

coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.


OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.
 
2012-11-26 03:30:59 PM

coeyagi: I_C_Weener: DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


E.T.


Starman.
 
Dr. Strangelove

I'll give you Strangelove, but Starman and E.T. are kinda thin since they are extra terrestrials. Are Americans going to lash out and f*ck with trade relations with the Vulcans when those types of movies come out?


Strangelove is more like one crazy guy who happens to be American and the insanity of the arms race
 
2012-11-26 03:32:40 PM

udhq: Fun fact: the writer behind the original Red Dawn, John Milius, is one of Hollywood's most famous republicans, and was the basis for John Goodman's character in The Big Lebowski.


Which had to be an inside joke because not only was Walter best friends with the quintessential hippie, he called The Dude out for being politically incorrect.
 
2012-11-26 03:32:53 PM

coeyagi: I_C_Weener: coeyagi: I_C_Weener: DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


E.T.


Starman.
 
Dr. Strangelove

I'll give you Strangelove, but Starman and E.T. are kinda thin since they are extra terrestrials. Are Americans going to lash out and f*ck with trade relations with the Vulcans when those types of movies come out?


Failsafe.

Incorrect. They redeemed themselves by letting the Soviets bomb New York, if I recall. The antagonist was technology. Again, IIRC.


you don't RC.
lame try.

by the way, when did you say the villain was not allowed to redeem themselves? Isn't that a standard option for plots?
keep moving those goal posts.
 
2012-11-26 03:35:41 PM

Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.


Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.
 
2012-11-26 03:36:55 PM

coeyagi: Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.

Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.




Canadian Bacon
 
2012-11-26 03:37:23 PM

coeyagi: Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.

Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.


Nevermind. Someone is going to answer with an example out of the Civil War. I'll have to keep moving it. Forget it. An apples to apples comparison is most likely impossible.
 
2012-11-26 03:38:40 PM
Regardless, the movie isn't doing well at the box office.
 
2012-11-26 03:39:43 PM

DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.

Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.



Canadian Bacon


Fair enough. I mean, it does fit those parameters. I would only say that it is a self-deprecating, comedic look at Americans whereas this movie paints the North Koreans (and before editing, the Chinese) as evil invaders. Again, I am moving the goal posts. Bad coeyagi, bad!
 
2012-11-26 03:42:11 PM
As someone who was a teen in the 80's....I don't know if I will or be able to sit through this remake.

Hell the original had some great lines

After the first action with the enemy:

Danny,"they were people"
Robert, "yeah?....well so was my dad"

Mr Eckert...."Avenge me boys!!!Avenge me!!!!"

Good stuff!, great cast, they even threw in Powers Boothe.

Sure it was a campy pro-USA! USA! movie, but I always thought it was pretty good. Milius even got it right when the enemy commander told his troops to go to the sporting good store to get the "form 4473's" to find out who owned/bought guns.

The original was a even a pretty good primer for WW3 survival, to this day the friggin' mayors kid isn't coming no where near any group of mine.
 
2012-11-26 03:42:18 PM

coeyagi: Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.

Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.


Dances with Wolves/Avatar.
 
2012-11-26 03:42:53 PM

BalugaJoe: Regardless, the movie isn't doing well at the box office.


It got raped by the critics. Does that mean Armond White likes it? Checking RottenTomatoes.... hmm, don't see his review there. Apathetic Armond... how exciting!
 
2012-11-26 03:44:35 PM

devildog123: coeyagi: Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.

Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.

Dances with Wolves/Avatar.


Avatar - extra-terrestrials, not a foreign country, and one of the protagonists was American.

Dances with Wolves - also, one of the protagonists was American
 
2012-11-26 03:45:03 PM
Commie China #1!!
 
2012-11-26 03:46:02 PM

Tailgunner Joe: As someone who was a teen in the 80's....I don't know if I will or be able to sit through this remake.

Hell the original had some great lines

After the first action with the enemy:

Danny,"they were people"
Robert, "yeah?....well so was my dad"

Mr Eckert...."Avenge me boys!!!Avenge me!!!!"

Good stuff!, great cast, they even threw in Powers Boothe.

Sure it was a campy pro-USA! USA! movie, but I always thought it was pretty good. Milius even got it right when the enemy commander told his troops to go to the sporting good store to get the "form 4473's" to find out who owned/bought guns.

The original was a even a pretty good primer for WW3 survival, to this day the friggin' mayors kid isn't coming no where near any group of mine.


They had the perfect opportunity to use the "Avenge me Boys!" line, and didn't use it. Right before the NKs execute the dad, they have him trying to talk to his sons over a loudspeaker. He gives some speech about how they have to fight, blah, blah, blah. You could tell the whole theater was waiting for him to end with "Avenge me boys! Avenge me!" but they didn't. The movie just went downhill from there.
 
2012-11-26 03:47:13 PM
Is this like how there are a lot of Jewish producers/directors, so therefore the Jews own the news and the "media"?
 
2012-11-26 03:48:00 PM

make me some tea: They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.


yeah, you were probably worried about Saddams army too.
 
2012-11-26 03:50:32 PM

coeyagi: Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.


Well, the whole "imaginary invasion of a specific other country" thing is a pretty specific sub-genre that consists almost entirely of the US and the USSR making propaganda directed at each other over the course of the cold war. The closest modern film I can think of would be Amigo, which is an American film by an American writer/director about the actual historical US invasion and occupation of the Philipines. It didn't get a huge release, but in all fairness neither has the Red Dawn remake. I live in a fairly large metro area and there's like one theater showing RD on a given day, usually with limited showings.

And I guess the analogy gets stronger again when you consider that Red Dawn was itself a reference to the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, so it had its historical source, too.

Yeah, I'm going with Amigo.

On a Red Dawn related side-note, it's worth noting that it wasn't the first time the premise had come up, it was just the first time the premise had been actually taken seriously outside of outright propaganda. For a more typical treatment of the idea you might try "The Russians Are Coming", which is basically Red Dawn as an outright comedy (and a few decades earlier). A new England town is "invaded" when the captain of a Russian submarine gets drunk and accidentally beaches the craft, and it goes downhill from there. Notable lines include word-for-word McCarthy quotes coming from a literal eight-year-old boy.
 
2012-11-26 03:52:03 PM

coeyagi: Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.



Not a big movie buff, but I have to believe you'd be able to find one from the Vietnam era.
 
2012-11-26 03:52:29 PM
www.logoterra.com

Americans
Must bow to
China
 
2012-11-26 03:53:30 PM
They had to re-shoot multiple scenes detailing how the US was defeated through insidious contamination of our Coke supply
 
2012-11-26 03:54:14 PM
Red Dawn should never had been remade at all in my opinion, it is a product of the cold war and while we should most definitely learn from our past works of fiction about said past do not need to be dragged up and remade.
 
2012-11-26 03:56:11 PM
You couldn't make Israel the enemy either so does that mean Israel owns.. Oh wait, nevermind!
 
2012-11-26 03:58:35 PM

coeyagi: Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.



Also, if set in the future, I could see it playing with American audiences just fine without much offense.  Again, I have no examples, sorry.  But I could see a movie where America turned rather evil and is now trying to take over another country.  And the goal is to get the viewer to feel for citizens of that other country.
 
2012-11-26 03:59:42 PM
Unavailable for comment, frowns on shenanigans:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-26 04:04:04 PM

coeyagi: coeyagi: Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.

Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.

Nevermind. Someone is going to answer with an example out of the Civil War. I'll have to keep moving it. Forget it. An apples to apples comparison is most likely impossible.


Birth of a Nation.
 
2012-11-26 04:04:28 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: - I hated the team of old guys that dropped in asking for help stealing something. They were chubby and old, far from what I would consider a Seal or Ranger. Even in the original, the Air Force pilot seems like more of a bad-ass.


They had Powers Booth in the original. The only more badass low-key person they could have used would have been Stacy Keach but he would have exploded peoples minds with his awesomeness.
 
2012-11-26 04:04:34 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: make me some tea: They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.

yeah, you were probably worried about Saddams army too.


Not really, but then again Iraqis weren't completely brainwashed like the NK people are.
 
2012-11-26 04:04:53 PM
They should make a movie about the Obama Heathcare Program.
 
2012-11-26 04:06:51 PM

make me some tea: Not really, but then again Iraqis weren't completely brainwashed like the NK people are.


because brainwashing tops bullets?
 
2012-11-26 04:06:54 PM
Hollywood executives try not to alienate their market when producing/marketing movies. More with Ric Romero at 11.
 
2012-11-26 04:07:34 PM

downstairs: coeyagi: Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.


Also, if set in the future, I could see it playing with American audiences just fine without much offense.  Again, I have no examples, sorry.  But I could see a movie where America turned rather evil and is now trying to take over another country.  And the goal is to get the viewer to feel for citizens of that other country.


Agreed. It typically takes the form of multinational companies lording over a dystopian future. But even if it was straight-up the American government, it could be shrugged off as a cautionary tale about the path we're on.
 
2012-11-26 04:08:37 PM
There are lots of movies where the U.S. government/military are the bad guys, but I have a hard time thinking of any with a foreign protagonist, if you are going to exclude extra-terrestrials. If you include them, the numbers go way up.
 
2012-11-26 04:09:21 PM

Jim_Callahan: And yet when we make movies where the US is the villain, the US audience still watches it with no qualms whatsoever. The Bourne movies would be a good example.

A basic sense of humor and perspective is required to function in the modern world, China should take note of that in their efforts to catch up to the rest of us.


In the second Batman reboot movie, "Dark Knight", the mob boss's accountant, Lau, is Chinese and flees to Hong Kong with the mob's cash. It's implied that Lau is safe because the Chinese government is protecting him. So Batman, with the blessings of the district attorney and the police commissioner, violates Chinese sovereignty, pulls off a "Seal Team Six"-style solo raid, and kidnaps Lau back to the US.

Strangely enough, "The Dark Knight" broke box office records in China.

In both "Dark Knight" and the "Bourne" series, the respective governments, or some part of them, were the "bad guys". The bad guy Lau was even a Chinese national. But in both of these films, the government mendacity depicted is a far cry from a story of a massive invasion waged by the national military.

How much screaming would we hear from the wingnuts in this country if a Chinese-owned film company wanted to distribute a film depicting an invasion of innocent China by the bad-guy US military, and the US military loses?
 
2012-11-26 04:09:36 PM

stevetherobot: There are lots of movies where the U.S. government/military are the bad guys, but I have a hard time thinking of any with a foreign protagonist, if you are going to exclude extra-terrestrials. If you include them, the numbers go way up.


Agreed. And even then, a subset of those have an American "traitor" become one of the good guys, at least in some of the examples given upthread.
 
2012-11-26 04:09:45 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: because brainwashing tops bullets?


stops.

I really need to fix the 's' on my keyboard
 
2012-11-26 04:10:54 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: make me some tea: Not really, but then again Iraqis weren't completely brainwashed like the NK people are.

because brainwashing tops bullets?


Not only would we be fighting the soldiers, we'd also be fighting the civilians too.
 
2012-11-26 04:13:43 PM

JoeMax23: It's implied that Lau is safe because the Chinese government is protecting him. So Batman, with the blessings of the district attorney and the police commissioner, violates Chinese sovereignty, pulls off a "Seal Team Six"-style solo raid, and kidnaps Lau back to the US.

Strangely enough, "The Dark Knight" broke box office records in China.


small part of the movie + people in china might not be all likey likey on the government. But to make their fathers and sons the bad guys in a movie might not go over as well.
 
2012-11-26 04:15:47 PM

make me some tea: Not only would we be fighting the soldiers, we'd also be fighting the civilians too.


maybe. or maybe we offer pizza with any surrender.

When people face as much hardship as the NKs have, I'm not all that convinced their camera induced loyalty isn't more along the 'not getting sent to jail' variety.
 
2012-11-26 04:19:00 PM

DarnoKonrad: coeyagi: Okay, we are at the crux of the argument now.

Show me any film for an American audience where the American military or U.S. government is the villain and some foreigner or foreign group is the protagonist. Because that would be the appropriate counter example to this movie and why the Chinese were not the enemy.


Inglorious Bastards? I had a hard time identifying with unrepentant two dimensional sociopaths. All the Nazis, while being Nazis, were more fully developed, and as such, more sympathetic. Very strange ass movie.


That was literally a Jewish revenge flick. A giant FARK YOU from a bunch of Hollywood Jews (mainly Taratino, of course, but also the Weinstein brothers and others) to the Nazis.

However, you missed the strangest part of the movie: Two seperate groups attempt to kill Hilter and the entire German high command, at the exact same time in the exact same place, and neither group is aware the other group even exists.

In any case, the Americans (and the US government) are the good guys in the movie (along with the theater owner and her lover), even if you didn't like their characters.
 
2012-11-26 04:19:01 PM

BalugaJoe: They should make a movie about the Obama Heathcare Program.


They already did. It was called "Soylent Green".
 
2012-11-26 04:21:32 PM

coeyagi: downstairs: coeyagi: Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.


Also, if set in the future, I could see it playing with American audiences just fine without much offense.  Again, I have no examples, sorry.  But I could see a movie where America turned rather evil and is now trying to take over another country.  And the goal is to get the viewer to feel for citizens of that other country.

Agreed. It typically takes the form of multinational companies lording over a dystopian future. But even if it was straight-up the American government, it could be shrugged off as a cautionary tale about the path we're on.



Also, don't forget large parts of 24, America was kinda the antagonist.  Which is why Jack Bauer often had to go rouge and all that.  Jack was the hero, and the entire American government wanted to silence him because they didn't believe him, etc. etc.  Happened on more than one season.
 
2012-11-26 04:21:50 PM

udhq: BalugaJoe: They should make a movie about the Obama Heathcare Program.

They already did. It was called "Soylent Green".


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Palin still won't sleep with you.
 
2012-11-26 04:23:25 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: JoeMax23: It's implied that Lau is safe because the Chinese government is protecting him. So Batman, with the blessings of the district attorney and the police commissioner, violates Chinese sovereignty, pulls off a "Seal Team Six"-style solo raid, and kidnaps Lau back to the US.

Strangely enough, "The Dark Knight" broke box office records in China.

small part of the movie + people in china might not be all likey likey on the government. But to make their fathers and sons the bad guys in a movie might not go over as well.


The Bourne films don't feature "fathers and sons" villains either, which was the example offered, and what I was comparing it to.

The more relevant question I asked was, "How much screaming would we hear from the wingnuts in this country if a Chinese-owned film company wanted to distribute a film depicting an invasion of innocent China by the bad-guy US military, and the US military loses?" That would be an equivalent comparison.
 
2012-11-26 04:23:47 PM
China would be much more believable than North Korea. I really don't understand why they went with North Korea of all places.
 
2012-11-26 04:24:40 PM

downstairs: coeyagi: downstairs: coeyagi: Ok, but can you honestly state that there is a very close counter point (for U.S. audiences) where the U.S. military or government invades another country and the citizens of that country are the protagonists. Yes, I am moving the goalposts so that they mirror this movie.

Again, I am not saying there aren't, and I will shake and mea culpa if you find one just like this movie but in reverse.


Also, if set in the future, I could see it playing with American audiences just fine without much offense.  Again, I have no examples, sorry.  But I could see a movie where America turned rather evil and is now trying to take over another country.  And the goal is to get the viewer to feel for citizens of that other country.

Agreed. It typically takes the form of multinational companies lording over a dystopian future. But even if it was straight-up the American government, it could be shrugged off as a cautionary tale about the path we're on.


Also, don't forget large parts of 24, America was kinda the antagonist.  Which is why Jack Bauer often had to go rouge and all that.  Jack was the hero, and the entire American government wanted to silence him because they didn't believe him, etc. etc.  Happened on more than one season.


Happened most of the time, actually. Well, at least, there was always a mole or rogue agent in the government, it was never the entire government. Once it was the president (Charles Logan) so that was pretty stark.

But the point was scarily that it was up to one guy to stop it. Which actually makes you have less faith in the government. And torture, sweet candy cane torture. Abu Ghraib looked like Disneyland, and waterboarding was a Flume ride compared to Jack Bauer. Good times, good times. Patriot Act FTW!
 
2012-11-26 04:28:48 PM

AutumnWind: China would be much more believable than North Korea. I really don't understand why they went with North Korea of all places.


Because it was easy to doctor a few flags and change the occasional word of dialogue. Besides, who would you use? The Russians?
 
2012-11-26 04:29:19 PM

AutumnWind: China would be much more believable than North Korea. I really don't understand why they went with North Korea of all places.


Because they can make money from this movie in China as oppose to N. Korea?
 
2012-11-26 04:30:48 PM

dywed88: AutumnWind: China would be much more believable than North Korea. I really don't understand why they went with North Korea of all places.

Because it was easy to doctor a few flags and change the occasional word of dialogue. Besides, who would you use? The Russians?


Mitt Romney would.
 
2012-11-26 04:31:51 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they'd kept China as the villain, we'd have articles decrying it as xenophobic jingoism tapping into American fears of Chinese economic hegemony.

The real problem is that this is a movie out of its time. The original had a villain that made some sense (if you didn't think about it too much) because that was the reality of the era. It fit the zeitgeist of the 80s. Who's worried about a military invasion of the US today? Nobody but a handful of crack pots.
 
2012-11-26 04:32:26 PM

udhq: BalugaJoe: They should make a movie about the Obama Heathcare Program.

They already did. It was called "Soylent Green".


Cool.. I always love an HH reference.. Here is the author of that book carrying me around. Unfortunately he died this year :(

imageshack.us
 
2012-11-26 04:32:49 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Proof that Hollywood markets movies in China, you mean?


This.

I'd also accept the claim that it proves that we make imbalanced trade decisions with the chinese. We should have been using mexico for all our outsourcing, and responded to Chinese trade imbalances (limiting foreign films in their market in this example, and plenty of limiting in other ones) tit for tat.
 
2012-11-26 04:36:59 PM
Haven't seen the remake yet .
Did they have a Senator John Kerry type telling American soldiers to quit their posts and going on about "jack boots and kickin'doors down." Because that would have been cool.

"Go Wolverines."
 
2012-11-26 04:37:33 PM
DID EVERYONE MENTION ISRAEL YET?
 
2012-11-26 04:38:12 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Who's worried about a military invasion of the US today? Nobody but a handful of crack pots.



Yup.  Which is why I'd never see this remake.  But the orginal... I was a kid, and remember that a Soviet invasion *was* on everyone's minds.  Maybe the fear went a bit far, in hindsight.  But you didn't have to suspend that much disbelief.
 
2012-11-26 04:38:14 PM

coeyagi: Dances with Wolves - also, one of the protagonists was American


but he ends up going native about half way through the movie. its hard to argue he is an american by the final credits
 
2012-11-26 04:39:41 PM
I haven't seen it yet either, but I hope they have Ramirez defending Burger Town.

gp4.pinkbike.org
 
2012-11-26 04:42:43 PM
IIRC back in the 80s, the Soviet Union made a Rambo type action movie with the U.S. as the villain. It may be this one.
 
2012-11-26 04:47:06 PM
I tried to review some china I bought on amazon, and when I said I wanted to give it less than five stars, a band of nihilist Commies busted through my front door and peed on my rug.

They peed on your farking rug, man.

They peed on my farking rug.
 
2012-11-26 04:47:10 PM

stevetherobot: IIRC back in the 80s, the Soviet Union made a Rambo type action movie with the U.S. as the villain. It may be this one.


That sounds like it'd be hilarious. I may have to watch that. Thanks!
 
2012-11-26 04:47:54 PM

tlchwi02: coeyagi: Dances with Wolves - also, one of the protagonists was American

but he ends up going native about half way through the movie. its hard to argue he is an american by the final credits


That's the point though. Make the protagonist American to start so you can see his transition and point out America's evil ways but Americans themselves can be the better men.

None of the protagonists in Red Dawn have that redemptive quality.
 
2012-11-26 04:49:22 PM
When I was in sixth grade, I wrote a story for English class about Cyprus taking over the world. This movie sounds about as believable.
 
2012-11-26 04:55:12 PM
How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.
 
2012-11-26 04:56:45 PM

PsyLord: Hollywood executives try not to alienate their market when producing/marketing movies. More with Ric Romero at 11.


Well then they should have come to that conclusion before the movie was shot..
 
2012-11-26 04:58:02 PM

Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.


You are confusing government debt with total foreign debt. China is sitting on three trillion dollars in cash it got from the US in exchange for stuff we bought from them. They can only really spend it in the US. (Or pay the Japanese for key components.) The question is, what are they going to get for it.

The answer is probably going to be oil and grain. We'll be outproducing Arabia in a decade or so in current trends.
 
2012-11-26 05:10:14 PM

Mugato: PsyLord: Hollywood executives try not to alienate their market when producing/marketing movies. More with Ric Romero at 11.

Well then they should have come to that conclusion before the movie was shot..


Breaking news: Executives screw up. More with Ric Romero at 12.
 
2012-11-26 05:19:44 PM

ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


Yes. And they are equipped with the very finest of 1950s technology.
 
2012-11-26 05:23:13 PM

Jackson Herring: Some 'Splainin' To Do: Who are you yelling at?

Every single person who has ever said anything to the effect of "lol china owns us" or "selling your children's future to China for more welfare checks", and furthermore


Ah, so you mean morons. You might as well relax and not let them bother you - the world is awash with idiots. Valium helps.
 
2012-11-26 05:24:04 PM

BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.


How bout a movie about a movie where the Southern Baptists take over and create an world Dominionist state.
 
2012-11-26 05:25:34 PM

ilambiquated: Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.

You are confusing government debt with total foreign debt. China is sitting on three trillion dollars in cash it got from the US in exchange for stuff we bought from them. They can only really spend it in the US. (Or pay the Japanese for key components.) The question is, what are they going to get for it.

The answer is probably going to be oil and grain. We'll be outproducing Arabia in a decade or so in current trends.


What ever happened here ?
When Nixon opened up China and the Chinese markets to American Business we're all going to get rich selling them Fords and light bulbs and working overtime . Instead they became the world factory .
 
2012-11-26 05:26:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: meat0918: Goddamn it people.

China doesn't own us. They hold what? 8% of our debt?

You may want to let 0bama know that: "take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents -- number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back"

Besides, they own more debt than US households have.

.


Maybe Bush shouldn't have gotten us involved in two pointless wars and put them on a credit card, hm?
 
2012-11-26 05:28:30 PM

BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.


That would only play to a small niche audience of gullible Islamophobes. I think most everyone else recognizes that the Taliban is way too small to be a real military threat.
 
2012-11-26 05:29:08 PM
It's more proof that there isn't a movie shaitty enough that Hollywood won't remake. What's next? Mannequin reboot?
 
2012-11-26 05:30:23 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Proof that Hollywood markets movies in China, you mean?


i935.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-26 05:32:03 PM

Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.


Let's not forget "Dances With Wolves".
 
2012-11-26 05:32:43 PM
How about a movie where Romney won the election and creates a government based on the teachings of Milton Friedman.
 
2012-11-26 05:35:34 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: When Nixon opened up China and the Chinese markets to American Business we're all going to get rich selling them Fords and light bulbs and working overtime . Instead they became the world factory .


Yeah, and we became a producer or raw materials for them, like Africa and South America.

A lot of historians think that opening up the vast raw materials of the New world to Europe is what triggered the industrial revolution. Now all those resources are open to China for the first time.
 
2012-11-26 05:53:52 PM

ilambiquated: BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.

How bout a movie about a movie where the Southern Baptists take over and create an world Dominionist state.


How about movie with semi-illiterate voters elect a single party to run a major American city .
We'll call it "Detroit".
 
2012-11-26 06:12:57 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: ilambiquated: BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.

How bout a movie about a movie where the Southern Baptists take over and create an world Dominionist state.

How about movie with semi-illiterate voters elect a single party to run a major American city .
We'll call it "Detroit".


Are you saying two parties should run every city? Weird political theory.
 
2012-11-26 06:19:11 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: ilambiquated: BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.

How bout a movie about a movie where the Southern Baptists take over and create an world Dominionist state.

How about movie with semi-illiterate voters elect a single party to run a major American city .
We'll call it "Detroit".


But speaking of Detroit have you ever been to Stuttgart? Beautiful place. Daimler makes sure that it is. They spend huge amounts of money keeping their city nice, and it pays off. The towns around there are packed with all kinds of industries, mostly run by mid-sized companies.

Industries run on supply chains. If you let the bankers take over your industry they just look out for the quarterly results and ignore the culture that make the industry possible. Then the industry fails.

I sold computer components for Taiwanese companies in Europe in the nineties and had a front row seat on the destruction of the American computer industry. The supply chains went to Asia, and the know-how went with them. Meanwhile the American press was celebrating the "lean manufacturing" of Dell, a company that never manufactured anything.
 
2012-11-26 06:28:28 PM
Isn't this the third thread on this very topic?

/in b4 "We're getting very efficient at it."
 
2012-11-26 06:28:58 PM
NK soldiers are no apt to defect once they see that rest of world doesn't live in the same crushing poverty.
 
2012-11-26 06:30:02 PM
Howabout:

No one wants to watch militia/survivalist wish fulfillment fantasies. It's DUMB.
 
2012-11-26 06:34:58 PM

ArkAngel: IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


Army size means nothing in the age of push-button annihilation.
 
2012-11-26 06:46:47 PM
traxan,
With machine guns that were used in the Korean war. Seal Team 6 could probably take out half of the NK army by themselves.


Not debating that North Korea is capable of taking over the United States, but the M60 is that close to the mg42 and the ma deuce
is originally from WWI

I don't think small arms are going to win wars without a good dose of EMP sprinkled around.

/Still looking forward to the netflix.
 
2012-11-26 06:52:26 PM
John Milius, the director of the original, feelings about the new film:

"Why would China want us? They sell us stuff. We're a market. I would have done it about Mexico."
 
2012-11-26 06:54:12 PM

ilambiquated: Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.

You are confusing government debt with total foreign debt. China is sitting on three trillion dollars in cash it got from the US in exchange for stuff we bought from them. They can only really spend it in the US. (Or pay the Japanese for key components.) The question is, what are they going to get for it.

The answer is probably going to be oil and grain. We'll be outproducing Arabia in a decade or so in current trends.


Or pay South Korea (who they have a Trade deficit with)
Or Pay Singapore (who they have a trade deficit with)

They've been reducing their cash on hand

but back to the fail point: No one should have distributed this film-Because its terrible-
 
2012-11-26 07:00:58 PM

beta_plus: John Milius, the director of the original, feelings about the new film:

"Why would China want us? They sell us stuff. We're a market. I would have done it about Mexico."


Yeah, he's an idiot. This is not news.
 
2012-11-26 07:16:20 PM
Looks God transferred Manifest Destiny to China. Thanks, Republicans.
 
2012-11-26 07:38:17 PM

make me some tea: Spanky_McFarksalot: make me some tea: They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.

yeah, you were probably worried about Saddams army too.

Not really, but then again Iraqis weren't completely brainwashed like the NK people are.


The North Korean people really aren't that brainwashed. They have cell phones and crappy radios. And their relatives visit them once in awhile. They just don't have any food or weapons and are scared shiatless of their government.
 
2012-11-26 07:40:17 PM

beta_plus: John Milius, the director of the original, feelings about the new film:

"Why would China want us? They sell us stuff. We're a market. I would have done it about Mexico."


Interestingly, Mexico will be our #1 trade partner by 2018.
 
2012-11-26 07:42:42 PM

ArkAngel: IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


Malnutrition has made them the world's shortest largest standing army.
 
2012-11-26 07:51:01 PM
1: why did this movie even get remade and 2: who wouldn't see it as racist or opportunistic at best? and 3: how do you think chinese would respond or the US if a giant blockbuster was anti-US trying to be shown in the US...
 
2012-11-26 08:04:00 PM
There's no way the movie can be NEARLY as good as it looks in the commercials!
 
2012-11-26 08:09:01 PM

Virulency: 1: why did this movie even get remade and 2: who wouldn't see it as racist or opportunistic at best? and 3: how do you think chinese would respond or the US if a giant blockbuster was anti-US trying to be shown in the US...


The funniest thing is that this movie was being made so it could be shown before the election just like the original was and the 'businessmen' running the GOP couldn't even get it right.

The original Red Dawn was a stereotypical propaganda piece. It even begins like Triumph of the Will: floating through the skies, zooming down to the motherland, and goes from there. Only instead of parades, it's the pioneering spirit of people who are somehow renegades but ready at an instant to run to the hills and setup resistance movements and the like. The homoeroticism is downright hilarious at some points, and one could easily make a theory on how Red Dawn's reflection on gender justifies and excuses the typical right-wing male's homosexual leanings via violence and 'honor.'

In short, the failure of the Red Dawn remake is a strictly Republican failure to understand current trends. It falls in line with Romney's pathetic attempts to make Russia the bad guy and how his Reagan-humping came off as even more pathetic and sad. The Republicans tried to play this like 1984 and got hamstrung when they realized it was eighteen years later and the world had drastically changed since then.
 
2012-11-26 08:09:09 PM

doctor wu: There's no way the movie can be NEARLY as good as it looks in the commercials!


It looked like shiat in the commercials. And the critics have said it's even shiattier than that.
 
2012-11-26 09:27:39 PM
I guess Fallout isn't allowed for sale in China.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-26 09:31:31 PM
When money talks, everybody listens.

If North Korea had millions of people who could buy DVDs, they would had some other crappy country invade the U.S.
 
2012-11-26 09:33:00 PM
his happens with video games as well. FPSs still have usa fighting the russians as if it was 1950 or they have "north koreans"
 
2012-11-26 10:06:37 PM

Lost Thought 00: Should have set it in West Texas, and had them be Mexican Cartels. Viola, semi-plausible and no one is offended


Makes more sense than North Korea.
 
2012-11-26 10:41:13 PM

Gyrfalcon: Lost Thought 00: Should have set it in West Texas, and had them be Mexican Cartels. Viola, semi-plausible and no one is offended

Makes more sense than North Korea.


That was already done. But it was set in Florida and the invaders were the Colombian Cartels and it starred Chuck Norris.
 
2012-11-26 11:10:19 PM
Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...


Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.
 
2012-11-27 12:25:19 AM
How about the OSA (Obama States of America) sell out the Confederate States to Mexico. The folks in Jesusland pray and then kick dem dirty Mexicans in the rear and then head north to avenge this treachery and that war of northern aggression. Right wing nut jobs get their war fix and the rest of us can get something done in this country. Call it Palin Raising.
 
2012-11-27 12:54:06 AM

xynix: Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.

I watched the original Red Dawn again a couple nights ago. That was probably my favorite movie growing up as I was young enough to be scared to death of that kind of shiat. The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable. Lets face it - we had a great enemy back then. An entire country and population we could hate and point missiles at. Now we have Best Korea and a rag-tag group of terrorists on the outskirts of some shiathole in the middle east.

This new Red Dawn is for the Twilight crowd. All kinds of glitz, great hair, Armani clothes, Somehow the kids get military training growing up in a rich white neighborhood and that's never explained. No one is tough.. They try to make all the "men" sensitive wimps. The girls never seem to get dirty or a hair out of place. Seriously.. You're better off watching Twilight than this, at least they have gay vampires.

Once more though I'm mystified as to why Hollywood continues to reboot movies that were excellent to begin with. Who not take a good concept badly executed (like Johnny Neumonic) and make it into a good movie?


The catch is that the propaganda (both US and Soviet) were too effective in 1984. While the idea of commies invading the US was completely unbelievable (I was what, 15 and understood that I could have wound up like that, if I didn't live in a country that spent uncountable billions on the military) it wasn't the complete joke to others. Two things: first, the communist collapse would happen in roughly 5 years. Second, Robert Heinlein had published a book called "Expanded Universe" in 1980 that included a bunch of pre-stroke short fiction and near the end some updates on predictions of the future and descriptions of the then-USSR (note, of all the stuff that he claimed would happen before 2000 [in 1950], only "proof of life after death" and "the fall of communism" hadn't happened yet. He decided to stand fast on both, even though he didn't see any reason to hope for what would happen in half that time.

I am also amused that "political correctness" == "market forces" here and that those that would blindly obey one will attack the other on sight, even when they are obviously one and the same.
 
2012-11-27 01:25:48 AM
Want proof China already owns us?

Yes! That would be great, since I keep hearing this.

*waits patiently*
 
2012-11-27 01:39:32 AM

Mikey1969: Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.


Why waste YOUR electricity? Go to Starbucks and stream it there.
 
2012-11-27 02:04:50 AM

coeyagi: Mikey1969: Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.

Why waste YOUR electricity? Go to Starbucks and stream it there.


Hello, I'd rather waste my electricity than go to a Starbucks, it only encourages them... :-)
 
2012-11-27 02:07:24 AM
How to shave a few hundred words off the article:
I am Asian, and I find it frustrating that Westerners cannot tell a Chinese and North Korean apart from each other. 


How many times does this need to be written by asians in the west?
 
2012-11-27 02:17:18 AM

yet_another_wumpus: xynix: Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.

I watched the original Red Dawn again a couple nights ago. That was probably my favorite movie growing up as I was young enough to be scared to death of that kind of shiat. The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable. Lets face it - we had a great enemy back then. An entire country and population we could hate and point missiles at. Now we have Best Korea and a rag-tag group of terrorists on the outskirts of some shiathole in the middle east.

This new Red Dawn is for the Twilight crowd. All kinds of glitz, great hair, Armani clothes, Somehow the kids get military training growing up in a rich white neighborhood and that's never explained. No one is tough.. They try to make all the "men" sensitive wimps. The girls never seem to get dirty or a hair out of place. Seriously.. You're better off watching Twilight than this, at least they have gay vampires.

Once more though I'm mystified as to why Hollywood continues to reboot movies that were excellent to begin with. Who not take a good concept badly executed (like Johnny Neumonic) and make it into a good movie?

The catch is that the propaganda (both US and Soviet) were too effective in 1984. While the idea of commies invading the US was completely unbelievable (I was what, 15 and understood that I could have wound up like that, if I didn't live in a country that spent uncountable billions on the military) it wasn't the complete joke to others. Two things: first, the communist collapse would happen in roughly 5 years. Second, Robert Heinlein had published a book called "Expanded Universe" in 1980 that included a bunch of pre-stroke short fiction and near the end some updates on predictions of the future and descriptions of the then-USSR (note, of all the stuff that he claimed would happen before 2000 [in 1950], only "proof of life after death" and "the fall of communism" hadn't happened yet. He decided to stand fast on both, even though he didn't see any reason to hope for what would happen in half that time.

I am also amused that "political correctness" == "market forces" here and that those that would blindly obey one will attack the other on sight, even when they are obviously one and the same.


Yep, the original was great. No need for a reboot, especially since it won't work anymore. In the 80's, we were in the last decade of the Cold War, Russia was our enemy, and Cuba was the psycho neighbor you hide behind the curtain to watch when you call the cops on him. It worked: The military power of the Soviet Union coupled with the tactical advantage of Cuba's location. Now with the U.S.S.R. no more, the premise galls apart. Whether believable before or not, this new shiat is definitely in the 'Who is on LSD?' category. Remaking it just pisses people off, with a net gain of about 5 fans who wouldn't have preferred the original, even if they had never even heard of it.
 
2012-11-27 05:53:10 AM

Mikey1969: Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.


I agree, and the same thing goes for "Arthur".

I also agree with those who say the movie made sense in the 80's with the cold war but not now. Besides Cuba, I believe Nicaragua was communist at the time also making the story plausible from a logistical standpoint. It makes no sense in so many ways that North Korea could manage to stage any sort of U.S. invasion and occupation, especially with the technology the U.S. military has.

But then those are things people with common sense think about, not the target audience of the movie. I can see how this appeals to a certain segment of the U.S. populace; look how successful "2016" was. The movie is basically "porn for the derpers" and a fantasy dream for the tin foil hat crowd. They not only see the premise of the movie believable, but plausible by the many enemies created by the conservative echo chamber.
 
2012-11-27 06:34:50 AM

heavymetal: Mikey1969: Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.

I agree, and the same thing goes for "Arthur".

I also agree with those who say the movie made sense in the 80's with the cold war but not now. Besides Cuba, I believe Nicaragua was communist at the time also making the story plausible from a logistical standpoint. It makes no sense in so many ways that North Korea could manage to stage any sort of U.S. invasion and occupation, especially with the technology the U.S. military has.

But then those are things people with common sense think about, not the target audience of the movie. I can see how this appeals to a certain segment of the U.S. populace; look how successful "2016" was. The movie is basically "porn for the derpers" and a fantasy dream for the tin foil hat crowd. They not only see the premise of the movie believable, but plausible by the many enemies created by the conservative echo chamber.


I would have liked to see a remake entirely from the POV of the Cuban colonel.

Also, will they still have the "500 million screaming Chinamen" line? Because that is no longer the preferred nomenclature.
 
2012-11-27 10:21:58 AM

Mugato:
If they had to set it in the present, China produces every piece of shiat we buy. If they cut that off for a few weeks, that would put them in a semi-realistic position to invade us. North Korea is a farking joke.


I think they missed an opportunity for some really good plot twists with China as the antagonist. Consumer, computer and network electronics get shut down by a Red kill switch. China buys up all of the foreign owned US debt, etc, yadda yadda.
 
2012-11-27 01:27:14 PM

maddogdelta: Granny_Panties: I got it! Lets make a movie about the US invading Canada!

[www.warof1812.ca image 219x326]

Works for me. We need more movies with strong female leads


Not a very riveting story for the movie-going public. You'd have to add a lot of explosions. Or a dog. I'm not sure which.

\Definitely not both.
 
2012-11-27 01:32:34 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: maddogdelta: Granny_Panties: I got it! Lets make a movie about the US invading Canada!

[www.warof1812.ca image 219x326]

Works for me. We need more movies with strong female leads

Not a very riveting story for the movie-going public. You'd have to add a lot of explosions. Or a dog. I'm not sure which.

\Definitely not both.


lost of exploding dogs would be optimal.
 
2012-11-27 05:36:37 PM
So can anyone explain why the US is even getting invaded in this movie? Do we have a secret oil reserve that I don't know about or something? Because it seems like the effort to keep Americans in line is far more trouble than it's worth.
 
2012-11-27 05:55:39 PM

schrodinger: So can anyone explain why the US is even getting invaded in this movie? Do we have a secret oil reserve that I don't know about or something? Because it seems like the effort to keep Americans in line is far more trouble than it's worth.


Why did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor? Why did the Dutch invade Poland? Sometimes there just isn't an answer for it besides they felt like doing some invading.
 
2012-11-28 09:01:40 AM

schrodinger: So can anyone explain why the US is even getting invaded in this movie? Do we have a secret oil reserve that I don't know about or something? Because it seems like the effort to keep Americans in line is far more trouble than it's worth.


It's a surivialist wank-fest. It's like nerds who dream about a zombie apocalypse. You get to forget your dreary lives and pick up a gun and shoot bad guys. The zombie scenario is more realistic.
 
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