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(Wall Street Journal)   Want proof China already owns us? The producer of 'Red Dawn' said "And to make a long story short, no one would distribute the film if the enemy was China"   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 209
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2012-11-26 04:47:06 PM
I tried to review some china I bought on amazon, and when I said I wanted to give it less than five stars, a band of nihilist Commies busted through my front door and peed on my rug.

They peed on your farking rug, man.

They peed on my farking rug.
 
2012-11-26 04:47:10 PM

stevetherobot: IIRC back in the 80s, the Soviet Union made a Rambo type action movie with the U.S. as the villain. It may be this one.


That sounds like it'd be hilarious. I may have to watch that. Thanks!
 
2012-11-26 04:47:54 PM

tlchwi02: coeyagi: Dances with Wolves - also, one of the protagonists was American

but he ends up going native about half way through the movie. its hard to argue he is an american by the final credits


That's the point though. Make the protagonist American to start so you can see his transition and point out America's evil ways but Americans themselves can be the better men.

None of the protagonists in Red Dawn have that redemptive quality.
 
2012-11-26 04:49:22 PM
When I was in sixth grade, I wrote a story for English class about Cyprus taking over the world. This movie sounds about as believable.
 
2012-11-26 04:55:12 PM
How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.
 
2012-11-26 04:56:45 PM

PsyLord: Hollywood executives try not to alienate their market when producing/marketing movies. More with Ric Romero at 11.


Well then they should have come to that conclusion before the movie was shot..
 
2012-11-26 04:58:02 PM

Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.


You are confusing government debt with total foreign debt. China is sitting on three trillion dollars in cash it got from the US in exchange for stuff we bought from them. They can only really spend it in the US. (Or pay the Japanese for key components.) The question is, what are they going to get for it.

The answer is probably going to be oil and grain. We'll be outproducing Arabia in a decade or so in current trends.
 
2012-11-26 05:10:14 PM

Mugato: PsyLord: Hollywood executives try not to alienate their market when producing/marketing movies. More with Ric Romero at 11.

Well then they should have come to that conclusion before the movie was shot..


Breaking news: Executives screw up. More with Ric Romero at 12.
 
2012-11-26 05:19:44 PM

ArkAngel: HulkHands: The best part was the guy saying how it was more realistic to have such a small army (N. Korea) take over and occupy the US

IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


Yes. And they are equipped with the very finest of 1950s technology.
 
2012-11-26 05:23:13 PM

Jackson Herring: Some 'Splainin' To Do: Who are you yelling at?

Every single person who has ever said anything to the effect of "lol china owns us" or "selling your children's future to China for more welfare checks", and furthermore


Ah, so you mean morons. You might as well relax and not let them bother you - the world is awash with idiots. Valium helps.
 
2012-11-26 05:24:04 PM

BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.


How bout a movie about a movie where the Southern Baptists take over and create an world Dominionist state.
 
2012-11-26 05:25:34 PM

ilambiquated: Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.

You are confusing government debt with total foreign debt. China is sitting on three trillion dollars in cash it got from the US in exchange for stuff we bought from them. They can only really spend it in the US. (Or pay the Japanese for key components.) The question is, what are they going to get for it.

The answer is probably going to be oil and grain. We'll be outproducing Arabia in a decade or so in current trends.


What ever happened here ?
When Nixon opened up China and the Chinese markets to American Business we're all going to get rich selling them Fords and light bulbs and working overtime . Instead they became the world factory .
 
2012-11-26 05:26:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: meat0918: Goddamn it people.

China doesn't own us. They hold what? 8% of our debt?

You may want to let 0bama know that: "take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents -- number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back"

Besides, they own more debt than US households have.

.


Maybe Bush shouldn't have gotten us involved in two pointless wars and put them on a credit card, hm?
 
2012-11-26 05:28:30 PM

BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.


That would only play to a small niche audience of gullible Islamophobes. I think most everyone else recognizes that the Taliban is way too small to be a real military threat.
 
2012-11-26 05:29:08 PM
It's more proof that there isn't a movie shaitty enough that Hollywood won't remake. What's next? Mannequin reboot?
 
2012-11-26 05:30:23 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Proof that Hollywood markets movies in China, you mean?


i935.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-26 05:32:03 PM

Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: Non-extra terrestrial foreigner. Sorry, should have obviously specified.

OK. Sitting Bull.

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.


Let's not forget "Dances With Wolves".
 
2012-11-26 05:32:43 PM
How about a movie where Romney won the election and creates a government based on the teachings of Milton Friedman.
 
2012-11-26 05:35:34 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: When Nixon opened up China and the Chinese markets to American Business we're all going to get rich selling them Fords and light bulbs and working overtime . Instead they became the world factory .


Yeah, and we became a producer or raw materials for them, like Africa and South America.

A lot of historians think that opening up the vast raw materials of the New world to Europe is what triggered the industrial revolution. Now all those resources are open to China for the first time.
 
2012-11-26 05:53:52 PM

ilambiquated: BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.

How bout a movie about a movie where the Southern Baptists take over and create an world Dominionist state.


How about movie with semi-illiterate voters elect a single party to run a major American city .
We'll call it "Detroit".
 
2012-11-26 06:12:57 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: ilambiquated: BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.

How bout a movie about a movie where the Southern Baptists take over and create an world Dominionist state.

How about movie with semi-illiterate voters elect a single party to run a major American city .
We'll call it "Detroit".


Are you saying two parties should run every city? Weird political theory.
 
2012-11-26 06:19:11 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: ilambiquated: BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.

How bout a movie about a movie where the Southern Baptists take over and create an world Dominionist state.

How about movie with semi-illiterate voters elect a single party to run a major American city .
We'll call it "Detroit".


But speaking of Detroit have you ever been to Stuttgart? Beautiful place. Daimler makes sure that it is. They spend huge amounts of money keeping their city nice, and it pays off. The towns around there are packed with all kinds of industries, mostly run by mid-sized companies.

Industries run on supply chains. If you let the bankers take over your industry they just look out for the quarterly results and ignore the culture that make the industry possible. Then the industry fails.

I sold computer components for Taiwanese companies in Europe in the nineties and had a front row seat on the destruction of the American computer industry. The supply chains went to Asia, and the know-how went with them. Meanwhile the American press was celebrating the "lean manufacturing" of Dell, a company that never manufactured anything.
 
2012-11-26 06:28:28 PM
Isn't this the third thread on this very topic?

/in b4 "We're getting very efficient at it."
 
2012-11-26 06:28:58 PM
NK soldiers are no apt to defect once they see that rest of world doesn't live in the same crushing poverty.
 
2012-11-26 06:30:02 PM
Howabout:

No one wants to watch militia/survivalist wish fulfillment fantasies. It's DUMB.
 
2012-11-26 06:34:58 PM

ArkAngel: IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


Army size means nothing in the age of push-button annihilation.
 
2012-11-26 06:46:47 PM
traxan,
With machine guns that were used in the Korean war. Seal Team 6 could probably take out half of the NK army by themselves.


Not debating that North Korea is capable of taking over the United States, but the M60 is that close to the mg42 and the ma deuce
is originally from WWI

I don't think small arms are going to win wars without a good dose of EMP sprinkled around.

/Still looking forward to the netflix.
 
2012-11-26 06:52:26 PM
John Milius, the director of the original, feelings about the new film:

"Why would China want us? They sell us stuff. We're a market. I would have done it about Mexico."
 
2012-11-26 06:54:12 PM

ilambiquated: Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.

You are confusing government debt with total foreign debt. China is sitting on three trillion dollars in cash it got from the US in exchange for stuff we bought from them. They can only really spend it in the US. (Or pay the Japanese for key components.) The question is, what are they going to get for it.

The answer is probably going to be oil and grain. We'll be outproducing Arabia in a decade or so in current trends.


Or pay South Korea (who they have a Trade deficit with)
Or Pay Singapore (who they have a trade deficit with)

They've been reducing their cash on hand

but back to the fail point: No one should have distributed this film-Because its terrible-
 
2012-11-26 07:00:58 PM

beta_plus: John Milius, the director of the original, feelings about the new film:

"Why would China want us? They sell us stuff. We're a market. I would have done it about Mexico."


Yeah, he's an idiot. This is not news.
 
2012-11-26 07:16:20 PM
Looks God transferred Manifest Destiny to China. Thanks, Republicans.
 
2012-11-26 07:38:17 PM

make me some tea: Spanky_McFarksalot: make me some tea: They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.

yeah, you were probably worried about Saddams army too.

Not really, but then again Iraqis weren't completely brainwashed like the NK people are.


The North Korean people really aren't that brainwashed. They have cell phones and crappy radios. And their relatives visit them once in awhile. They just don't have any food or weapons and are scared shiatless of their government.
 
2012-11-26 07:40:17 PM

beta_plus: John Milius, the director of the original, feelings about the new film:

"Why would China want us? They sell us stuff. We're a market. I would have done it about Mexico."


Interestingly, Mexico will be our #1 trade partner by 2018.
 
2012-11-26 07:42:42 PM

ArkAngel: IIRC, North Korea has one of the largest standing armies in the world


Malnutrition has made them the world's shortest largest standing army.
 
2012-11-26 07:51:01 PM
1: why did this movie even get remade and 2: who wouldn't see it as racist or opportunistic at best? and 3: how do you think chinese would respond or the US if a giant blockbuster was anti-US trying to be shown in the US...
 
2012-11-26 08:04:00 PM
There's no way the movie can be NEARLY as good as it looks in the commercials!
 
2012-11-26 08:09:01 PM

Virulency: 1: why did this movie even get remade and 2: who wouldn't see it as racist or opportunistic at best? and 3: how do you think chinese would respond or the US if a giant blockbuster was anti-US trying to be shown in the US...


The funniest thing is that this movie was being made so it could be shown before the election just like the original was and the 'businessmen' running the GOP couldn't even get it right.

The original Red Dawn was a stereotypical propaganda piece. It even begins like Triumph of the Will: floating through the skies, zooming down to the motherland, and goes from there. Only instead of parades, it's the pioneering spirit of people who are somehow renegades but ready at an instant to run to the hills and setup resistance movements and the like. The homoeroticism is downright hilarious at some points, and one could easily make a theory on how Red Dawn's reflection on gender justifies and excuses the typical right-wing male's homosexual leanings via violence and 'honor.'

In short, the failure of the Red Dawn remake is a strictly Republican failure to understand current trends. It falls in line with Romney's pathetic attempts to make Russia the bad guy and how his Reagan-humping came off as even more pathetic and sad. The Republicans tried to play this like 1984 and got hamstrung when they realized it was eighteen years later and the world had drastically changed since then.
 
2012-11-26 08:09:09 PM

doctor wu: There's no way the movie can be NEARLY as good as it looks in the commercials!


It looked like shiat in the commercials. And the critics have said it's even shiattier than that.
 
2012-11-26 09:27:39 PM
I guess Fallout isn't allowed for sale in China.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-26 09:31:31 PM
When money talks, everybody listens.

If North Korea had millions of people who could buy DVDs, they would had some other crappy country invade the U.S.
 
2012-11-26 09:33:00 PM
his happens with video games as well. FPSs still have usa fighting the russians as if it was 1950 or they have "north koreans"
 
2012-11-26 10:06:37 PM

Lost Thought 00: Should have set it in West Texas, and had them be Mexican Cartels. Viola, semi-plausible and no one is offended


Makes more sense than North Korea.
 
2012-11-26 10:41:13 PM

Gyrfalcon: Lost Thought 00: Should have set it in West Texas, and had them be Mexican Cartels. Viola, semi-plausible and no one is offended

Makes more sense than North Korea.


That was already done. But it was set in Florida and the invaders were the Colombian Cartels and it starred Chuck Norris.
 
2012-11-26 11:10:19 PM
Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...


Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.
 
2012-11-27 12:25:19 AM
How about the OSA (Obama States of America) sell out the Confederate States to Mexico. The folks in Jesusland pray and then kick dem dirty Mexicans in the rear and then head north to avenge this treachery and that war of northern aggression. Right wing nut jobs get their war fix and the rest of us can get something done in this country. Call it Palin Raising.
 
2012-11-27 12:54:06 AM

xynix: Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.

I watched the original Red Dawn again a couple nights ago. That was probably my favorite movie growing up as I was young enough to be scared to death of that kind of shiat. The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable. Lets face it - we had a great enemy back then. An entire country and population we could hate and point missiles at. Now we have Best Korea and a rag-tag group of terrorists on the outskirts of some shiathole in the middle east.

This new Red Dawn is for the Twilight crowd. All kinds of glitz, great hair, Armani clothes, Somehow the kids get military training growing up in a rich white neighborhood and that's never explained. No one is tough.. They try to make all the "men" sensitive wimps. The girls never seem to get dirty or a hair out of place. Seriously.. You're better off watching Twilight than this, at least they have gay vampires.

Once more though I'm mystified as to why Hollywood continues to reboot movies that were excellent to begin with. Who not take a good concept badly executed (like Johnny Neumonic) and make it into a good movie?


The catch is that the propaganda (both US and Soviet) were too effective in 1984. While the idea of commies invading the US was completely unbelievable (I was what, 15 and understood that I could have wound up like that, if I didn't live in a country that spent uncountable billions on the military) it wasn't the complete joke to others. Two things: first, the communist collapse would happen in roughly 5 years. Second, Robert Heinlein had published a book called "Expanded Universe" in 1980 that included a bunch of pre-stroke short fiction and near the end some updates on predictions of the future and descriptions of the then-USSR (note, of all the stuff that he claimed would happen before 2000 [in 1950], only "proof of life after death" and "the fall of communism" hadn't happened yet. He decided to stand fast on both, even though he didn't see any reason to hope for what would happen in half that time.

I am also amused that "political correctness" == "market forces" here and that those that would blindly obey one will attack the other on sight, even when they are obviously one and the same.
 
2012-11-27 01:25:48 AM
Want proof China already owns us?

Yes! That would be great, since I keep hearing this.

*waits patiently*
 
2012-11-27 01:39:32 AM

Mikey1969: Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.


Why waste YOUR electricity? Go to Starbucks and stream it there.
 
2012-11-27 02:04:50 AM

coeyagi: Mikey1969: Why not aliens instead of Asians?

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.

Why waste YOUR electricity? Go to Starbucks and stream it there.


Hello, I'd rather waste my electricity than go to a Starbucks, it only encourages them... :-)
 
2012-11-27 02:07:24 AM
How to shave a few hundred words off the article:
I am Asian, and I find it frustrating that Westerners cannot tell a Chinese and North Korean apart from each other. 


How many times does this need to be written by asians in the west?
 
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