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2012-11-26 11:13:02 AM
Browbeaten controller wielders rejoice-a new study from the University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB) has proven the superior hand-eye coordination skills honed from hours of joystick-based gaming are the same talents required to master the world's most advanced robotic surgery tools.

of course, now they're spawn camping the surgical theater and tea bagging the patients but...hey! that's why we have tasers, right?
 
2012-11-26 11:55:20 AM

I've had this discussion with a doctor before.

My suggestion?

arcade.svatopluk.com


If they can master the controls for this, surgery will be a walk in the park.
 
2012-11-26 11:55:47 AM
So long as I don't have to draw any stars really quickly, the patient shouldn't die. And gimme a good nurse to work the vitals syringe.

/VITALS VITALS!
//not obscure
 
2012-11-26 12:12:05 PM

Mentalpatient87: So long as I don't have to draw any stars really quickly, the patient shouldn't die. And gimme a good nurse to work the vitals syringe.

/VITALS VITALS!
//not obscure


That game lost me with the alien parasite things
 
2012-11-26 12:18:38 PM
director of minimally invasive gynecology at UTMB

As opposed to a director of MAXIMALLY invasive gynecology?
 
2012-11-26 12:24:42 PM
So essentially, people who use joysticks to control simulated characters regularly are very good at using a joystick to control a robot.

I see that Ric Romero is branching out into medical studies these days.
 
2012-11-26 12:31:58 PM
Don't be such a baby.. Ribs grow back.
Trust the doctor
 
2012-11-26 12:38:45 PM

TommyJReed: That game lost me with the alien parasite things


Yeah, I agree. Real life injuries and maladies are fun and engaging enough without some kind of made up "boss fight" parasite. I blame it on being Japanese.
 
2012-11-26 12:44:04 PM
Weaver95: of course, now they're spawn camping the surgical theater and tea bagging the patients but...hey! that's why we have tasers, right?

If you want to talk about fine tuned joystick control, you gotta talk about fighting games.

You never have to do shiat like this in a FPS.

F, DF, D, DB, B, F+K => B, DB, D, DF, F+LS => D, DB, B+S

(that's a half circle back, forward and kick => half circle forward and light slash => quarter circle back (starting from down) + slash)

// last blade 2, super desperation move chain
 
2012-11-26 12:58:27 PM
www.gameclassification.com

He has gas...OPERATE!
He has a bacterial infection..OPERATE!
He has a kidney stone....OPERATE!

*doesn't turn on anesthesia*
*carves initials into abdomen with scalpel*
 
2012-11-26 01:03:56 PM
Same reason robots for Soldiers use xbox controllers. One less skill to have to teach someone.
 
2012-11-26 01:22:12 PM

lordargent: Weaver95: of course, now they're spawn camping the surgical theater and tea bagging the patients but...hey! that's why we have tasers, right?

If you want to talk about fine tuned joystick control, you gotta talk about fighting games.

You never have to do shiat like this in a FPS.

F, DF, D, DB, B, F+K => B, DB, D, DF, F+LS => D, DB, B+S

(that's a half circle back, forward and kick => half circle forward and light slash => quarter circle back (starting from down) + slash)

// last blade 2, super desperation move chain


You console guys are funny.

upload.wikimedia.org 

Mouse and keyboard rules!
 
2012-11-26 01:36:52 PM
StoPPeRmobile: You console guys are funny.


1) I'm not a "Console guy", I am a tried and true old school gamer. I don't care if it's on console, PC, or in the arcade, games are games.

2) Last Blade 2 is an ARCADE game (unless you consider the neo geo to also be a home console, except that the home console was basically an arcade machine stuffed into a console sized box ... with a price to match).
 
2012-11-26 02:31:16 PM

StoPPeRmobile: You console guys are funny.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 233x204] 

Mouse and keyboard rules!


Depends on the game. M&K work well on an FPS and strategy games, but I'm not going to touch a fighting game without an honest to god joystick. (Not even a game pad, mind you.) The dual stick functionality of modern FPSs on gamepads comes almost to par with a M&K. (Almost.) I think the latter is probably good training for the robotic surgery in question.

"Still having issues with that robot? Back to playing TF2 for you!"
 
2012-11-26 02:38:19 PM

lordargent: If you want to talk about fine tuned joystick control, you gotta talk about fighting games.

You never have to do shiat like this in a FPS.

F, DF, D, DB, B, F+K => B, DB, D, DF, F+LS => D, DB, B+S

(that's a half circle back, forward and kick => half circle forward and light slash => quarter circle back (starting from down) + slash)

// last blade 2, super desperation move chain


Arika's SPoD laughs at your pathetically easy half-circles. The timing for the three moves are insane and really fast. You could practice it 500 times and maybe pull it off 3 times.
 
2012-11-26 02:51:47 PM

SineSwiper: M&K work well on an FPS and strategy games, but I'm not going to touch a fighting game without an honest to god joystick. (Not even a game pad, mind you.)


Also see:

ecx.images-amazon.com
upload.wikimedia.org

Trying to play these with a mouse and keyboard is suicide. They were made for a joystick and keyboard.
 
2012-11-26 03:04:21 PM

lordargent: StoPPeRmobile: You console guys are funny.


1) I'm not a "Console guy", I am a tried and true old school gamer. I don't care if it's on console, PC, or in the arcade, games are games.

2) Last Blade 2 is an ARCADE game (unless you consider the neo geo to also be a home console, except that the home console was basically an arcade machine stuffed into a console sized box ... with a price to match).


Neo Geo X is now a hand held for 130$ or a 200$ kit with hand held + TV docking station and control stick. Comes installed with 20games. If only it were 100$ then I might buy it.
If it were 100
 
2012-11-26 03:05:33 PM
Oh right, Link This might help.
 
2012-11-26 03:55:42 PM

Burr: Trying to play these with a mouse and keyboard is suicide. They were made for a joystick and keyboard.


Mech games are supposed to be played with this:
www.toplessrobot.com

Or, ideally, this:
getinthepods.com
 
2012-11-26 04:10:25 PM
Burr: Trying to play these with a mouse and keyboard is suicide.

What, you mean these?

lordargent.com

I played with a mouse and keyboard (a decent joystick was not in the budget for a teenager), but I mostly played other mouse/keyboarders so it was a level field.

At the end of the day, playing that on a PC was just to tide me over between sorties in a tesla pod.

poot_rootbeer: http://getinthepods.com/assets/images/pod-art/pod_interior.jpg

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

TommyJReed: Neo Geo X is now a hand held for 130$ or a 200$ kit with hand held + TV docking station and control stick. Comes installed with 20games.

None of which are last blade :P

Hell, they don't even give you a full set of Samurai Showdown or Art of Fighting. And only one metal slug game, what kind of crap are they trying to pull there?
 
2012-11-26 04:27:22 PM

poot_rootbeer: Burr: Trying to play these with a mouse and keyboard is suicide. They were made for a joystick and keyboard.

Mech games are supposed to be played with this:
[www.toplessrobot.com image 800x600]

Or, ideally, this:
[getinthepods.com image 301x400]


I think I played a networked game in one of those at the CN Tower more than 10 years ago. Goddamn, that was awesome.
 
2012-11-26 04:58:20 PM
That's Dr. [NAZI] St0NErJ0Ker420 to you. Noob.
 
2012-11-26 05:08:03 PM

SineSwiper: StoPPeRmobile: You console guys are funny.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 233x204] 

Mouse and keyboard rules!

Depends on the game. M&K work well on an FPS and strategy games, but I'm not going to touch a fighting game without an honest to god joystick. (Not even a game pad, mind you.) The dual stick functionality of modern FPSs on gamepads comes almost to par with a M&K. (Almost.) I think the latter is probably good training for the robotic surgery in question.

"Still having issues with that robot? Back to playing TF2 for you!"


CSB time: Played "Medal of Honor: Allied Assault" on PC a long time ago, only could use the M&K with it. For someone who was weened on the gamepads of consoles, this was a PITA. Eventually got the hang of it but was puzzled as to why people actually love playing with a M&K on certain games when playing with a dual-stick gamepad is so much easier for gameplay flow.
 
2012-11-26 05:27:28 PM

Rwa2play: SineSwiper: StoPPeRmobile: You console guys are funny.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 233x204] 

Mouse and keyboard rules!

Depends on the game. M&K work well on an FPS and strategy games, but I'm not going to touch a fighting game without an honest to god joystick. (Not even a game pad, mind you.) The dual stick functionality of modern FPSs on gamepads comes almost to par with a M&K. (Almost.) I think the latter is probably good training for the robotic surgery in question.

"Still having issues with that robot? Back to playing TF2 for you!"

CSB time: Played "Medal of Honor: Allied Assault" on PC a long time ago, only could use the M&K with it. For someone who was weened on the gamepads of consoles, this was a PITA. Eventually got the hang of it but was puzzled as to why people actually love playing with a M&K on certain games when playing with a dual-stick gamepad is so much easier for gameplay flow.


Playing a first person shooter is much easier and more precise with a mouse and keyboard. You would get, um, pwned, if you tried to play with a controller versus people using mouse/keyboard. Now, mecha games, fighting games, and driving games should use a controller or joystick, even on the PC. But for a FPS? No way.
 
2012-11-26 05:38:18 PM

Geotpf: Rwa2play: SineSwiper: StoPPeRmobile: You console guys are funny.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 233x204] 

Mouse and keyboard rules!

Depends on the game. M&K work well on an FPS and strategy games, but I'm not going to touch a fighting game without an honest to god joystick. (Not even a game pad, mind you.) The dual stick functionality of modern FPSs on gamepads comes almost to par with a M&K. (Almost.) I think the latter is probably good training for the robotic surgery in question.

"Still having issues with that robot? Back to playing TF2 for you!"

CSB time: Played "Medal of Honor: Allied Assault" on PC a long time ago, only could use the M&K with it. For someone who was weened on the gamepads of consoles, this was a PITA. Eventually got the hang of it but was puzzled as to why people actually love playing with a M&K on certain games when playing with a dual-stick gamepad is so much easier for gameplay flow.

Playing a first person shooter is much easier and more precise with a mouse and keyboard. You would get, um, pwned, if you tried to play with a controller versus people using mouse/keyboard. Now, mecha games, fighting games, and driving games should use a controller or joystick, even on the PC. But for a FPS? No way.


I don't know. I'm pretty awesome flying the helis in BFV. I use mouse and keyboard.

FPSs? I will own anyone on a controller if I know the map.
 
2012-11-26 07:30:06 PM

Burr: [www.gameclassification.com image 300x187]

He has gas...OPERATE!
He has a bacterial infection..OPERATE!
He has a kidney stone....OPERATE!

*doesn't turn on anesthesia*
*carves initials into abdomen with scalpel*


All of my patients died
/I was a little kid at the time
//I can only remember like 4 CGA games
///we had that, a jigsaw puzzle game, a platformer that was kind of Metroid-y, and a mosaic-copy-this-image game
//ah the good 'ol days
/ENOUGH WITH THE SLASHIES
 
2012-11-26 07:37:41 PM

Geotpf: Rwa2play: SineSwiper: StoPPeRmobile: You console guys are funny.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 233x204] 

Mouse and keyboard rules!

Depends on the game. M&K work well on an FPS and strategy games, but I'm not going to touch a fighting game without an honest to god joystick. (Not even a game pad, mind you.) The dual stick functionality of modern FPSs on gamepads comes almost to par with a M&K. (Almost.) I think the latter is probably good training for the robotic surgery in question.

"Still having issues with that robot? Back to playing TF2 for you!"

CSB time: Played "Medal of Honor: Allied Assault" on PC a long time ago, only could use the M&K with it. For someone who was weened on the gamepads of consoles, this was a PITA. Eventually got the hang of it but was puzzled as to why people actually love playing with a M&K on certain games when playing with a dual-stick gamepad is so much easier for gameplay flow.

Playing a first person shooter is much easier and more precise with a mouse and keyboard. You would get, um, pwned, if you tried to play with a controller versus people using mouse/keyboard. Now, mecha games, fighting games, and driving games should use a controller or joystick, even on the PC. But for a FPS? No way.


there was a brief and glorious period after halo(the first one) went online with the release of gold edition.

the reason for this? us PC halo types had been online for a few months.

they allowed guys on xboxes to play on the same servers.

the k/d ratios for open-version matches were just stupid. the reflex/reaction cycle on a PC is ridiculously short compared to a controller. even moreso if you have mouse accelleration like i do, and a mere flick can spin you 180 degrees.

it was not uncommon to see guys on keyboards do snapshot kills on people behind them while not even breaking stride running. they could rotate, shoot, rotate without killing their forward momentum.

about the only place the console guys had the edge was in driving vehicles, as their more graduated control inputs made for far less spastic movement.

but seriously, if you dialed the joysticks on a controller up to the point where they could match a good mouse/keyboard, your avatar would look like an epileptic in-game just from the twitch and jitter caused by laying your thumb on the stick. not to mention you'd have the hardest time hitting anything...
 
2012-11-26 08:24:41 PM

lordargent: Weaver95: of course, now they're spawn camping the surgical theater and tea bagging the patients but...hey! that's why we have tasers, right?

If you want to talk about fine tuned joystick control, you gotta talk about fighting games.

You never have to do shiat like this in a FPS.

F, DF, D, DB, B, F+K => B, DB, D, DF, F+LS => D, DB, B+S

(that's a half circle back, forward and kick => half circle forward and light slash => quarter circle back (starting from down) + slash)

// last blade 2, super desperation move chain


Try pulling off Ivy's Summon Suffering or Calamity Symphony in an actual match.
 
2012-11-26 09:47:34 PM
snake_beater: Try pulling off Ivy's Summon Suffering or Calamity Symphony in an actual match.

Especially in SC2 after you got used to doing it in SC1.

The U/B can be a pain in the games that use them (especially in games where U/B is a back jump and you're trying to do a ground based move). But it all comes down to timing and a decent joystick (AKA, arcade).

// what screws me up is charge moves
 
2012-11-27 07:03:51 AM

lordargent: Burr: Trying to play these with a mouse and keyboard is suicide.

What, you mean these?

[lordargent.com image 850x637]

I played with a mouse and keyboard (a decent joystick was not in the budget for a teenager), but I mostly played other mouse/keyboarders so it was a level field.

At the end of the day, playing that on a PC was just to tide me over between sorties in a tesla pod.

poot_rootbeer: http://getinthepods.com/assets/images/pod-art/pod_interior.jpg

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

TommyJReed: Neo Geo X is now a hand held for 130$ or a 200$ kit with hand held + TV docking station and control stick. Comes installed with 20games.

None of which are last blade :P

Hell, they don't even give you a full set of Samurai Showdown or Art of Fighting. And only one metal slug game, what kind of crap are they trying to pull there?


Yeah, I have all mine around here somewhere (I really need to organize my games). I tried to play Mercenaries here lately sans joystick and it was rough, as well as TIE Fighter. Just the mouse doesn't get the fluid motion that a joystick has.
 
2012-11-27 11:31:53 AM
poot_rootbeer: Burr: Trying to play these with a mouse and keyboard is suicide. They were made for a joystick and keyboard.

Mech games are supposed to be played with this:
[www.toplessrobot.com image 800x600]

Or, ideally, this:
[getinthepods.com image 301x400]


Everytime I go to an anime con, there is that PS2 game with the elaborate "controller" which is a mech cockpit. I have not played it. Looks a tad overwhelming, and I'd need more time to know what I'm doing.
 
2012-11-27 12:30:11 PM

buttery_shame_cave: Geotpf: Rwa2play: SineSwiper: StoPPeRmobile: You console guys are funny.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 233x204] 

Mouse and keyboard rules!

Depends on the game. M&K work well on an FPS and strategy games, but I'm not going to touch a fighting game without an honest to god joystick. (Not even a game pad, mind you.) The dual stick functionality of modern FPSs on gamepads comes almost to par with a M&K. (Almost.) I think the latter is probably good training for the robotic surgery in question.

"Still having issues with that robot? Back to playing TF2 for you!"

CSB time: Played "Medal of Honor: Allied Assault" on PC a long time ago, only could use the M&K with it. For someone who was weened on the gamepads of consoles, this was a PITA. Eventually got the hang of it but was puzzled as to why people actually love playing with a M&K on certain games when playing with a dual-stick gamepad is so much easier for gameplay flow.

Playing a first person shooter is much easier and more precise with a mouse and keyboard. You would get, um, pwned, if you tried to play with a controller versus people using mouse/keyboard. Now, mecha games, fighting games, and driving games should use a controller or joystick, even on the PC. But for a FPS? No way.

there was a brief and glorious period after halo(the first one) went online with the release of gold edition.

the reason for this? us PC halo types had been online for a few months.

they allowed guys on xboxes to play on the same servers.

the k/d ratios for open-version matches were just stupid. the reflex/reaction cycle on a PC is ridiculously short compared to a controller. even moreso if you have mouse accelleration like i do, and a mere flick can spin you 180 degrees.

it was not uncommon to see guys on keyboards do snapshot kills on people behind them while not even breaking stride running. they could rotate, shoot, rotate without killing their forward momentum.

about the only place the console guys had the edge wa ...


Dear god I remember those days. Soooo much whining from the console guys. They were pathetically easy to beat.

Also... I do actually prefer a joystick for flying games and Mech titles (I did closed beta testing for Mechwarrior Online). FPS titles will always be best with a M/KB though.
 
2012-11-27 01:29:32 PM

washington-babylon: buttery_shame_cave: Geotpf: Rwa2play: SineSwiper: StoPPeRmobile: You console guys are funny.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 233x204] 

Mouse and keyboard rules!

Depends on the game. M&K work well on an FPS and strategy games, but I'm not going to touch a fighting game without an honest to god joystick. (Not even a game pad, mind you.) The dual stick functionality of modern FPSs on gamepads comes almost to par with a M&K. (Almost.) I think the latter is probably good training for the robotic surgery in question.

"Still having issues with that robot? Back to playing TF2 for you!"

CSB time: Played "Medal of Honor: Allied Assault" on PC a long time ago, only could use the M&K with it. For someone who was weened on the gamepads of consoles, this was a PITA. Eventually got the hang of it but was puzzled as to why people actually love playing with a M&K on certain games when playing with a dual-stick gamepad is so much easier for gameplay flow.

Playing a first person shooter is much easier and more precise with a mouse and keyboard. You would get, um, pwned, if you tried to play with a controller versus people using mouse/keyboard. Now, mecha games, fighting games, and driving games should use a controller or joystick, even on the PC. But for a FPS? No way.

there was a brief and glorious period after halo(the first one) went online with the release of gold edition.

the reason for this? us PC halo types had been online for a few months.

they allowed guys on xboxes to play on the same servers.

the k/d ratios for open-version matches were just stupid. the reflex/reaction cycle on a PC is ridiculously short compared to a controller. even moreso if you have mouse accelleration like i do, and a mere flick can spin you 180 degrees.

it was not uncommon to see guys on keyboards do snapshot kills on people behind them while not even breaking stride running. they could rotate, shoot, rotate without killing their forward momentum.

about the only place the console ...


yeah, i really want to get a full-blow HOTAS setup for MWO. heck, it'd make fooling around with orbiter a lot more interesting too. oddly, i consider the simpit guys to be the height of nerdity...
 
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