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(Reuters)   Chinese "Aircraft Carrier" that at present carries no aircraft, and isn't seaworthy, sucessfully upgraded to "floating runway"   (reuters.com) divider line 27
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2012-11-26 11:34:45 PM
4 votes:
China's biggest goal isn't conflict with the United States right now, it's about establishing supremacy in Asia, especially regarding resources and border disputes. Every single country with the exceptions of North Korea and Cambodia are afraid of the Chinese due to the belligerent way they're pressing their territorial claims- whether it's against the Vietnamese and Filipinos in the South China Sea or the Japanese with the Senkaku islands. Even the Indian government has registered complaints with Beijing over a new passport which shows disputed Indian territories as "part of China."

That's always the phrase the CPC goes to, "part of China," as a way to express legitimacy and ownership. The US should be very, very concerned with increasing Chinese belligerence- not out of any "yellow peril" sense of jingoism or cold war fears, but because of the very devious and untrustworthy way the CPC does business in China. Taiwan has been an ally for decades- because DC can trust a democratic government with a vested interest in being friendly to the US.

The authoritarian, cliquish, and frankly neurotic Beijing government is only afraid of one thing- losing power. That's why Xi Jinping talked about corruption so much in his Party Congress speech- the Party is afraid of turning into the Kuomintang of the 40s and 50s and losing the support of the people, and if they can't rein in corruption or the economy slows down, it's a sure bet the sand will shift beneath their feet.

I live in mainland China and most of the people I talk to will quietly say, "I love my country but I hate my government." They want China to be strong, but they want a chance to help run their country- and not just quietly go along with what the Party tells them to do.
2012-11-26 12:33:01 PM
3 votes:
- The J-15 is an unlicensed Su33 copy that clearly violates sukhoi intellectual property. as much as I dislike the Russian government, they have a strong case here. Russia has refused to sell certain aircraft to China now simply because of the belief that China will again act like the thieves that they are, intellectual propertywise.
- The aircraft carrier was bought under false pretenses with promises that it would never be militarized or used as a military vessel. China lies again.

I'm no sinophobe, but the chinese are pretty guilty in this one.

China at work.
2012-11-26 02:29:30 PM
2 votes:
I realize that, for some reason (which has never been explained to me), this is IMPOSSIBLE, but...

I think it would be truly hilarious if the Chinese seized all of the US-owned factories in their country.

Wouldn't it be fun to see all of the corporations who chose to locate there suddenly go belly up?

I'd be willing to suffer through the crippling recession such an event would lead to, if there was only a chance that our leaders might learn some kind of lesson from it.
2012-11-26 11:11:30 AM
2 votes:
Uh oh. Guess we'd better commission another dozen carrier battle groups before we lose our competitive edge.
2012-11-26 09:14:27 PM
1 votes:

Sultan Of Herf: dittybopper: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: dittybopper: BronyMedic: Well, isn't that quaint.

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Heh. Aircraft carriers make nice, juicy sub targets:

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Naval aviators might disagree...

The naval aviators on this boat no doubt disagreed also:

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Their job was to specifically go out to hunt and kill German U-boats, using things like air-dropped homing torpedoes. Nonetheless, their ship was sunk out from underneath them by a U-boat.

You guys seem to keep showing pictures of carriers from 60 years ago. Im fairly sure that our sub detection capabilities have gotten a bit better in 6 decades. Another bit to note...we spent several of those decades equipping and training to fight a nearly equal enemy...something that China is not.


Don't forget that while sub detection has gotten better over the last sixty years, so have the subs. If anything, carriers are more vulnerable. Back in 1944 a U-boat had limited underwater endurance, it was very slow underwater (max 7 knots, normal cruise 3 knots), and they totally overwhelmed by aerial assault. The Allies even had an air dropped antisubmarine homin torpedo.

Since then, even conventional subs have 20+ knot underwater speeds, AIP systems allow them to travel silently for weeks, and sub sonar is better by leaps and bounds over what it was in WWII.

In other words, it balances out, and WWII ASW is the only real large scale naval at where subs fought carriers. I think it would be stupid to ignore the lessons just because it was a few decades ago.
2012-11-26 05:10:40 PM
1 votes:

Gone In 26 Minutes: darch: I think I might have to play that game later. If you invest in salvage corvettes early in the single player campaign, you can end up with a mass of more than a hundred ion cannon frigates in a sphere of death formation. Quite entertaining.

lolwut?

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Tried that but found the learning curve rather steep, probably give it another try when I have more time to invest in learning the nuances of the game.

Sasquach: Are there any good (but still reasonably simple) sub games out there anymore?


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If you want modern this one is decent (Sonalysts conducts sonar research for the USN), but I highly recommend installing one of the community patches that make it more stable. Not very popular so it can be found in the $10 game section at Wal-Mart and so on.
2012-11-26 04:12:23 PM
1 votes:

WGJ: If the Chinese really wanted to cripple the US, all it would have to do is seize all of the factories that are owned by US companies. The job creators have completely destroyed this country's ability to maintain itself in this scenario and we would be crippled in less than a month.


Except for all the US debt they've purchased becoming worthless that's a flawless idea. Oh and the removal of almost all foriegn investment seeing as it could be taken at any moment. Then you have the US and its allies locking out Chinese companies over seas. Then you have the whole WW3 thing to deal with which they are in no way capable of fighting. China doesn't want to deal with the US they want to flex nuts in their backyard not across the ocean.
2012-11-26 03:31:11 PM
1 votes:

NephilimNexus: BronyMedic: It's a chinese knock-off of the SU-33, illegally produced without license. The F/A-18 was specifically designed to kill them and MIG-29s.

So? The Chinese military has no interest in fighting with the US. We're their biggest customers, remember? Unlike the USA, however, they're capable of thinking past the next financial quarter. They are an emergent economy that is going through explosive growth. The USA is a crumbling economy that is slowly imploding upon itself. Fifty years from now the UN is still going to need peacekeepers to keep random wacko dictators in check. Fifty years from now the USA isn't going to be in any shape to do it for them. China is simply getting a head start for their future role as the world's leading nation in a few decades (or less) and making sure that they'll be ready for all the responsibilities that entails.

There is nothing new about this, either. In the 19th century Great Britain was still the globe's biggest superpower. By the 1980s the USA had eclipsed all rivals and took center stage. Now it's our turn to get passed up by China. The only thing worth speculating as this point is who is going to be passing China come the 22nd century or so (my money is on Africa).

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All empires fall in the end. New ones take their place. The cycle repeats.


It's cute you think that.

Really, it is. That's all I have to say to that.

China is a friend of the United States as long as it continues to be profitable to do so.

China will never become the type of country you describe as long as they maintain borderline tolterian control of the populace, continue to aggressively posture and commit acts of overt industrial and international espionage with it's neighboring nations (Taiwan and Russia), and scarce resources terrestrially will either force them to look upwards, or to look outwards to other countries. The funny thing is, the idea of resource wars are no longer the realm of speculative and science fiction, but a burdoning reality. Peak oil, combined with the scarcity of rare earth and metal element sources for use in high technology and construction industries are going to fuel them.

The China of 2100 will look nothing like the China today. But the United States is nothing like the British Empire you compare it too, and the factors which caused it's collapse, and a comparison with the Roman empire is equally as fallicious.
2012-11-26 03:04:40 PM
1 votes:
It was originally the Soviet carrier "Riga" ... I think I sank that ship in a rousing game of Red Storm Rising once.

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/Hot like using a Stinger on an annoying helo
2012-11-26 02:26:59 PM
1 votes:

darch: I think I might have to play that game later. If you invest in salvage corvettes early in the single player campaign, you can end up with a mass of more than a hundred ion cannon frigates in a sphere of death formation. Quite entertaining.

lolwut?


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2012-11-26 02:11:44 PM
1 votes:
I expected it to look more like this.

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2012-11-26 02:05:22 PM
1 votes:
Landing an aircraft on a carrier is a long way from that carrier being a deployable weapons platform.
2012-11-26 01:52:35 PM
1 votes:

Frogfoot: It amazes me how intelligent people continue to look down their noses at the Chinese and their military. Some folks should wake up. China is not a paper tiger. In a decade or two China could cause much trouble in the pacific if they made the calculation that it was worth the cost to do so. By trouble I mean the projection of hundreds of thousands of men within their chosen sphere of influence for as long as they could maintain the supply lines.


They could call it the Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

Just think of the money the Walton heirs can make and ship to the Caymans if the Chicom enslaves SE Asia for them.
2012-11-26 01:36:51 PM
1 votes:
I've seen video of this boat at sea. Not sure what Subby means by "isn't seaworthy".
2012-11-26 01:32:21 PM
1 votes:

WGJ: If the Chinese really wanted to cripple the US, all it would have to do is seize all of the factories that are owned by US companies. The job creators have completely destroyed this country's ability to maintain itself in this scenario and we would be crippled in less than a month.


They don't want to cripple us. They're a lot of things, but they're not stupid. They know that their economic fortunes are directly tied to the well-being of the United States.

Raise their own influence at the expense of ours, definitely, but certainly not cripple the US.
2012-11-26 01:23:48 PM
1 votes:
China needs carriers to protect their growing demand for oil.

US gets 6% of its oil from Saudi Arabia. The US Navy is thinking of withdrawing a carrier group from the region, due to our decreasing dependence on their oil.

If China wants to keep buying Saudi oil, it will be their job to keep the tanker shipping lanes open.
2012-11-26 01:19:15 PM
1 votes:
Wouldja believe a half-dozen empty barrels, duct-taped together, and a boyscout in a pair of water-wings?
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2012-11-26 01:14:15 PM
1 votes:

Misconduc: So the Ark royal will be a bran new carrier without any planes to fly off its deck? Sounds british to me..


Nah. It's got planes. But in 2035 when the class was first commissioned, they're still flying VF-11s.

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2012-11-26 01:12:49 PM
1 votes:
Given the rather flippant responses to this thread I even hesitate to mention this. But I will as, apparently, none of the posters have ever designed, built, operated, or managed any of the following. An aircraft carrier. A jet fighter. A navy. An air force.

The Peoples Liberation Army as they like to be called is taking steps to learn how to operate aircraft from the deck of ship moving in the ocean. You see unlike the previous posters here they realize that all of the things it takes to operate an aircraft carrier are not easy. To this end they purchased an incomplete carrier from the Ukraine. They are using it to train a core of pilots and crew for their naval ambitions.

They are currently building from the dockyard up their first truly operational aircraft carrier. Likely to be in service around 2020.

It amazes me how intelligent people continue to look down their noses at the Chinese and their military. Some folks should wake up. China is not a paper tiger. In a decade or two China could cause much trouble in the pacific if they made the calculation that it was worth the cost to do so. By trouble I mean the projection of hundreds of thousands of men within their chosen sphere of influence for as long as they could maintain the supply lines.
2012-11-26 12:57:33 PM
1 votes:

baronvonzipper: U.S. Pacific carrier supremacy was lost when the Chinese navy surfaced an undetected sub in the middle of the Kitty Hawk battle group, within torpedo range.


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2012-11-26 12:52:19 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Well, isn't that quaint.

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Heh. Aircraft carriers make nice, juicy sub targets:

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All sunk by submarines.

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2012-11-26 12:43:15 PM
1 votes:
Landing an airplane is a show of force?
2012-11-26 12:38:30 PM
1 votes:
I think India's navy is hungry for a fight; can take-out-chinese.
2012-11-26 12:32:31 PM
1 votes:
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What a super-carrier might look like.
2012-11-26 11:33:32 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Well done China. You've reached the 1930s level of naval power.

 

Achievement Unlocked- Ready to re-fight WWII
2012-11-26 11:10:51 AM
1 votes:
Honestly, an air-craft carrier is SO 20th century-at this point why not build something that can launch thousands of cruise missile and drones? Same bang- a whole lot less buck
2012-11-26 11:05:11 AM
1 votes:
 
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