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(ESPN)   Da Bears start their annual collapse with five starters getting knocked out of the game. Thankfully they're all nobodies like Charles Tillman, Devin Hester and Matt Forte   (espn.go.com) divider line 108
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2012-11-26 09:09:09 AM  
yup. called this 3 months ago. Bears get off to a hot start, overwork key starters, fall apart late in the season. Anyone could have called it. Hellen Keller on ESPN could have called it.
 
2012-11-26 09:33:52 AM  
On the bright side for the Bears, Goodell's going to suspend everyone from every other contending team.

/also, the Packers are uninterested in your complaints about injuries
 
2012-11-26 10:34:28 AM  
And yet, they still won. That's a good collapse there, Lou.
 
2012-11-26 10:34:51 AM  
Injuries have ruined fantasy football for me. There have been so many this year that we have exhausted the waiver wire and are now guessing at who gets the play time between 3rd and 4th stringers. It takes all of the fun out of the weekend when the game starts and you realize you are playing down 3 guys instantly because of injuries.

4 years in a row I lead my league up to game 10 and then fall apart in the final few weeks because of injuries.

I give up. its just not fun anymore.
 
2012-11-26 10:36:42 AM  
Bears are probably better without Hester at this point. A receiver who knows the routes would be a welcome change. Tillman will be back. Lance Louis hurts though. He is the best of that sorry bunch up front.
 
2012-11-26 10:37:53 AM  
If Jerome SImpson.... or any other WR for that matter, could catch a fricking ball, that game would have been ALOT closer. Ponder was doing fine.

Also, WHO THE fark DECIDED WE NEEDED TO GO 4 WIDE ON THE FIRST PLAY OF THE GAME?

SINCE WE HAVE 4 RECIVERS WHO COULD BARELY BE A #3 GUY ON ANY DECENT PASSING TEAM IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, RIGHT? *RIGHT*!!JFKLDnJHDSAkl;jhdsrtakl;sjhfdkl;sajhdfkl;hsadfkl;hdsakl;fjsad kl;fjkldsaj

/you don't put your worst players out on the field just to be tricky
//dumbasses
 
2012-11-26 10:39:23 AM  

poisonedpawn78: Injuries have ruined fantasy football for me. There have been so many this year that we have exhausted the waiver wire and are now guessing at who gets the play time between 3rd and 4th stringers. It takes all of the fun out of the weekend when the game starts and you realize you are playing down 3 guys instantly because of injuries.

4 years in a row I lead my league up to game 10 and then fall apart in the final few weeks because of injuries.

I give up. its just not fun anymore.


Preach it. I'm starting Bryce Brown tomorrow for God's sake. All I need is 45 points from him and the week is mine!

It's getting to the point where even 10 team leagues leave the wire barren, let alone 12.
 
2012-11-26 10:43:23 AM  

jayhawk88: It's getting to the point where even 10 team leagues leave the wire barren, let alone 12.


Oh yeah, I have injuries throughout my RB position so I was tickled (yes, honestly "tickled" or even "excited") that I was able to add Ronnie Hillman to my roster. There is no reason on this earth for Ronnie Hillman to excite anyone, and I got the double-whammy of starting him this week only to see Knowshon Moreno get 4,000 touches this past Sunday instead of him.
 
2012-11-26 10:43:36 AM  
Jim from Saint Paul

Ponder??? ...no he was taking a 3 step drop into running sideways every play. If he could actually step up into the pocket he might make some plays. The Vikings were awful. Period.
 
2012-11-26 10:44:24 AM  
At this point I'm more anxious to have Alshon Jeffrey back than Forte. Alshon is a legit #2 guy, and his presence opens up Marshall. I love Forte, but I've never seen a back get one-arm tackled more than him.

If there was a big upside to yesterday's game, it was that the O line kept Cutler clean. Give him time to throw, and he usually has a good game.
 
2012-11-26 10:44:46 AM  

poisonedpawn78: Injuries have ruined fantasy football for me. There have been so many this year that we have exhausted the waiver wire and are now guessing at who gets the play time between 3rd and 4th stringers. It takes all of the fun out of the weekend when the game starts and you realize you are playing down 3 guys instantly because of injuries.

4 years in a row I lead my league up to game 10 and then fall apart in the final few weeks because of injuries.

I give up. its just not fun anymore.


I like this about it. It's what actual teams have to put up with and it enhances my appreciation for the personnel decisions and dumb luck of the game. It makes me a better fan.
 
2012-11-26 10:48:35 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: If Jerome SImpson.... or any other WR for that matter, could catch a fricking ball, that game would have been ALOT closer. Ponder was doing fine.

Also, WHO THE fark DECIDED WE NEEDED TO GO 4 WIDE ON THE FIRST PLAY OF THE GAME?

SINCE WE HAVE 4 RECIVERS WHO COULD BARELY BE A #3 GUY ON ANY DECENT PASSING TEAM IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, RIGHT? *RIGHT*!!JFKLDnJHDSAkl;jhdsrtakl;sjhfdkl;sajhdfkl;hsadfkl;hdsakl;fjsad kl;fjkldsaj

/you don't put your worst players out on the field just to be tricky
//dumbasses


I also knew we were in for a long day when we went empty backfield to start the game. Yikes. I love Harvin as an all-around weapon, but i'd gladly trade him for a legit #1 receiver. I'd also love just to have him on the field again next weekend.

/still thinks we can beat the Bears at home
 
2012-11-26 10:52:07 AM  

Ruffian: And yet, they still won. That's a good collapse there, Lou.


Kept Cutler upright for most of the game, and he did his job, as he usually does if he gets protection.

Does not change the fact the Bears have yet to beat a good team, and that they are prone to late-season breakdowns due to over-reliance on a handful of aging stars.
 
2012-11-26 10:52:25 AM  

jayhawk88: poisonedpawn78: Injuries have ruined fantasy football for me. There have been so many this year that we have exhausted the waiver wire and are now guessing at who gets the play time between 3rd and 4th stringers. It takes all of the fun out of the weekend when the game starts and you realize you are playing down 3 guys instantly because of injuries.

4 years in a row I lead my league up to game 10 and then fall apart in the final few weeks because of injuries.

I give up. its just not fun anymore.

Preach it. I'm starting Bryce Brown tomorrow for God's sake. All I need is 45 points from him and the week is mine!

It's getting to the point where even 10 team leagues leave the wire barren, let alone 12.


I realize the NFL doesnt give a rats arse about FF, however SOMEONE has to be paying attention to the increase in injuries over the last few years. I cannot be the only one to have noticed it..

Injury article on Bleacher report older article... would love to see the current years data
 
2012-11-26 10:53:45 AM  
I hate saying this, but Hester is expendable except for the now dwindling numbers of receivers.
 
2012-11-26 10:56:12 AM  

jayhawk88: Preach it. I'm starting Bryce Brown tomorrow for God's sake. All I need is 45 points from him and the week is mine!


Sucka, I only need 30 pts from him to win.

/Had McCoy and McGahee as my starters, now have Ballard and Brown
//Why yes, I am going to miss the playoff
 
2012-11-26 10:57:13 AM  

LarryDan43: Lance Louis hurts though. He is the best of that sorry bunch up front.


Word. I thought Carimi did a pretty decent job in emergency-duty at right guard yesterday, but let's face it... he's not a guard, and that's not a long-term solution.

Not sure what the plan is against Seattle, but I hope it doesn't involve starting that practice-squad project (even if he is named James Brown).
 
2012-11-26 10:57:17 AM  

Killer Cars: jayhawk88: It's getting to the point where even 10 team leagues leave the wire barren, let alone 12.

Oh yeah, I have injuries throughout my RB position so I was tickled (yes, honestly "tickled" or even "excited") that I was able to add Ronnie Hillman to my roster. There is no reason on this earth for Ronnie Hillman to excite anyone, and I got the double-whammy of starting him this week only to see Knowshon Moreno get 4,000 touches this past Sunday instead of him.


I kind of wonder if we haven't hit "peak fantasy", at least in it's current ruleset/configuration. So much of it is now predicated on picking guys (RB's especially) who can stay healthy, which is witchcraft on a level that is just going to frustrate most of us to the point where it isn't fun. Put it this way: How nervous would you be to pick Ray Rice in the top 5 next season?

I think we'll start seeing leagues adopt some new rules, like eliminating the TE position and just making all TE's available at WR's. Or going with 3 WR and 1 RB slot. Or having 2 individual defensive player slots as standard, and making the points such that a good LB or DE is roughly equivalent to a WR or RB.
 
2012-11-26 10:59:46 AM  

poisonedpawn78: I realize the NFL doesnt give a rats arse about FF, however SOMEONE has to be paying attention to the increase in injuries over the last few years. I cannot be the only one to have noticed it..


The NFL is aware that players sometimes get injured, and is concerned for their safety. Which is why they want to implement an 18 game schedule and have Thursday Night games ever week this year.

/meat grinder
 
2012-11-26 10:59:48 AM  

Rapmaster2000: poisonedpawn78: ***snip***

I give up. its just not fun anymore.

I like this about it. It's what actual teams have to put up with and it enhances destroys my appreciation for the personnel decisions and dumb luck of the game. It makes me a better fan homicidal/suicidal.


Fixed for personal accuracy. Though I am still in first for my pick 'em pool no thanks to the Steelers, Seahawks and Bills. Fark those teams.

Repeated for agreement: its (sic) just not fun anymore.
 
2012-11-26 11:02:50 AM  

jayhawk88: I think we'll start seeing leagues adopt some new rules, like eliminating the TE position and just making all TE's available at WR's. Or going with 3 WR and 1 RB slot. Or having 2 individual defensive player slots as standard, and making the points such that a good LB or DE is roughly equivalent to a WR or RB.


Or we could just go to something along the lines of DST where we just have Team RB/Team QB

/those would be especially nice so there's no vulturing, there's no "oh f*ck, my player got injured on the first series of the game," etc.
//would've stopped playing FFB this year if people hadn't come to me at the last minute saying they needed one more to get the draft going
///definitely not doing it next year
 
2012-11-26 11:03:45 AM  

roc6783: Rapmaster2000: poisonedpawn78: ***snip***

I give up. its just not fun anymore.

I like this about it. It's what actual teams have to put up with and it enhances destroys my appreciation for the personnel decisions and dumb luck of the game. It makes me a better fan homicidal/suicidal.

Fixed for personal accuracy. Though I am still in first for my pick 'em pool no thanks to the Steelers, Seahawks and Bills. Fark those teams.

Repeated for agreement: its (sic) just not fun anymore.


Well, first place gets $1120, second gets $420, so I'm still very interested in my league.
 
2012-11-26 11:09:48 AM  

Generation_D: overwork key starters


Matt Forte is many things this year, but overworked is not one of them.
 
2012-11-26 11:12:51 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hate saying this, but Hester is expendable except for the now dwindling numbers of receivers.


Hester is really the fifth best receiver the Bears have. The problem is the depth chart looks like this:

1: Marshall - thank God they got him, because the drop after him is precipitous.
2: Knox* - Presumed dead, although there's an outside chance he could come back next season.
3: Jeffery* - Rookie, injured for all but 4 games this year.
4: Bennett - Prototypical slot guy, good for 2-4 catches a game, but forced to play out of his depth.
5: Hester - Dumb as a brick, starting to lose a step due to injury and age.
6: Weems - If he's getting offensive snaps, there's a problem

Now, a WR corps with Marshall, pre-injury Knox, and Jeffery would be pretty decent. Marshall would still get the bulk of the catches, but Knox would stretch the field, and Jeffery would take advantage of lesser corners. But without the second two, and with our cadre of useless TEs, losing Hester is going to hurt.
 
2012-11-26 11:17:51 AM  

Jubeebee: R.A.Danny: I hate saying this, but Hester is expendable except for the now dwindling numbers of receivers.

Hester is really the fifth best receiver the Bears have. The problem is the depth chart looks like this:

1: Marshall - thank God they got him, because the drop after him is precipitous.
2: Knox* - Presumed dead, although there's an outside chance he could come back next season.
3: Jeffery* - Rookie, injured for all but 4 games this year.
4: Bennett - Prototypical slot guy, good for 2-4 catches a game, but forced to play out of his depth.
5: Hester - Dumb as a brick, starting to lose a step due to injury and age.
6: Weems - If he's getting offensive snaps, there's a problem

Now, a WR corps with Marshall, pre-injury Knox, and Jeffery would be pretty decent. Marshall would still get the bulk of the catches, but Knox would stretch the field, and Jeffery would take advantage of lesser corners. But without the second two, and with our cadre of useless TEs, losing Hester is going to hurt.


You're obviously forgetting about Chicago's secret weapon, Dane Sanzenbacher.

/can't blame you - I've been trying to forget about him, too
 
2012-11-26 11:18:54 AM  

Jubeebee: Weems - If he's getting offensive snaps, there's a problem


I completely forgot about him completely.
 
2012-11-26 11:19:42 AM  
As a Seahawks fan, I can say, with all respect, please stay hurt next week, guys.

/we'll still lose anyway
//godammned coaches and their goddamned playcalling
 
2012-11-26 11:24:26 AM  
 
2012-11-26 11:40:23 AM  
Looks like I picked the right week to bench Forte. Also looks like the wrong week to replace him with Rashard Mendenhall.
 
2012-11-26 11:41:58 AM  

Jubeebee: R.A.Danny:
6: Weems - If he's getting offensive snaps, there's a problem


I thought Weems did a decent job. He got under the skin of the Vikings DB's, had some pretty key blocks for someone his size, and he had a couple decent returns.
 
2012-11-26 11:42:03 AM  

IAmRight:
Or we could just go to something along the lines of DST where we just have Team RB/Team QB


I like this idea. Would work for most positions besides WR probably.

I'm the guy on the other side, who started 0-5 but due to other peoples' injuries I am now 6-5 and #3 in the playoffs in my FF league. Drafting AP paid off, drafting Stafford has been hit and miss.
 
2012-11-26 11:44:54 AM  
Also I'm getting so sick of Kellen Davis.
 
2012-11-26 11:47:49 AM  
I'd like to see Jared Allen get fined. If only for being a gigantic douchebag.
 
2012-11-26 11:49:00 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: As a Seahawks fan, I can say, with all respect, please stay hurt next week, guys.

/we'll still lose anyway
//godammned coaches and their goddamned playcalling


Not to mention your corners appear to be a bit .. enhanced.

U Mad, Bro?
 
2012-11-26 11:49:09 AM  

Milk D: Jubeebee: R.A.Danny:
6: Weems - If he's getting offensive snaps, there's a problem

I thought Weems did a decent job. He got under the skin of the Vikings DB's, had some pretty key blocks for someone his size, and he had a couple decent returns.


No argument. I was just like "Weems? Who the fark is Weems?" and I live and breath Da Bears.
 
2012-11-26 11:51:50 AM  
HESTER?! NOOOOOOO!!! ;_;
 
2012-11-26 11:55:36 AM  

Electromax: Also I'm getting so sick of Kellen Davis.


He can't catch, but he makes up for it by not blocking.
 
2012-11-26 11:56:58 AM  

Generation_D: Not to mention your corners appear to be a bit .. enhanced.


Oh noes, they may have used Adderall! Suspend them!

/hopefully Seattle's management doesn't go full Tampa Bay and trade them to New England for some table scraps.
 
2012-11-26 11:58:13 AM  

IAmRight: jayhawk88: I think we'll start seeing leagues adopt some new rules, like eliminating the TE position and just making all TE's available at WR's. Or going with 3 WR and 1 RB slot. Or having 2 individual defensive player slots as standard, and making the points such that a good LB or DE is roughly equivalent to a WR or RB.

Or we could just go to something along the lines of DST where we just have Team RB/Team QB

/those would be especially nice so there's no vulturing, there's no "oh f*ck, my player got injured on the first series of the game," etc.
//would've stopped playing FFB this year if people hadn't come to me at the last minute saying they needed one more to get the draft going
///definitely not doing it next year


QB to me isn't that much of an issue; even in my 12 team league that requires everyone to have a backup QB, there are guys like Tannehill and Bradford on the wire. Not the greatest options but if for whatever reason you lose both your starter and your backup, you aren't going to be totally screwed.

The team RB thing makes sense, but for some reason it just seems a little distasteful to me. I think I'd much rather have the option of just starting one RB and maybe having that second RB slot be RB/WR or something like that.
 
2012-11-26 12:00:43 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Electromax: Also I'm getting so sick of Kellen Davis.

He can't catch, but he makes up for it by not blocking.


Your comment is on the nose and depressing. I have no idea why he's still on the roster.
 
2012-11-26 12:03:57 PM  

jayhawk88: I think I'd much rather have the option of just starting one RB and maybe having that second RB slot be RB/WR or something like that.


I just really hate when someone gets injured in the first quarter. It's a bullsh*t way to lose.

/then again, since FFB is 90% luck, whatever.
//and everyone with winning teams will come in and talk about how it's all skill
 
2012-11-26 12:07:45 PM  

IAmRight: jayhawk88: I think I'd much rather have the option of just starting one RB and maybe having that second RB slot be RB/WR or something like that.

I just really hate when someone gets injured in the first quarter. It's a bullsh*t way to lose.

/then again, since FFB is 90% luck, whatever.
//and everyone with winning teams will come in and talk about how it's all skill


In the past, the majority of sidebets in my league were for beers. Now, it's "the loser has to tell so and so that he's he most skilled fantasy football player in the league." It's great because some guys will eat it up.
 
2012-11-26 12:18:09 PM  
On another note: I loved when Cutler stiff armed the Vikings defender then flipped the ball to him.
Sucks he got a penalty for it; but I like a quarterback that has an edge.
 
2012-11-26 12:38:15 PM  

poisonedpawn78: I give up. its just not fun anymore.


roc6783: Rapmaster2000: poisonedpawn78: ***snip***

I give up. its just not fun anymore.

I like this about it. It's what actual teams have to put up with and it enhances destroys my appreciation for the personnel decisions and dumb luck of the game. It makes me a better fan homicidal/suicidal.

Fixed for personal accuracy. Though I am still in first for my pick 'em pool no thanks to the Steelers, Seahawks and Bills. Fark those teams.

Repeated for agreement: its (sic) just not fun anymore.


Pretty much all of this. I'm a rabid football fan, and enjoy something that makes me more interested in more football- but when I get emotionally invested enough to care to be competitive, I can't turn it off when I lose. I'm in 4 leagues, and on 0 for 4 weekends, I'm depressed until Wednesday over something I have so little control over. Went to KC this past weekend to see the game, but a shadow was cast over it by watching my players' lackluster fantasy performance. When a pretend game is affecting my ability to enjoy life (which is why I started playing in the first place- to enjoy it) it's time to hang it up, and realize it's probably just not for me. My friends say "just don't take it as seriously" but for me there really isn't a middle ground between "oh, I didn't realize I was starting an injured Rb...for the past 3 weeks" and "I am on roto/yahoo 3-4 times a day digging for info."

I'd love to play fantasy, but I just don't think I can care enough to win, and not care when I lose. Just doesn't work that way.

IAmRight: /then again, since FFB is 90% luck, whatever.
//and everyone with winning teams will come in and talk about how it's all skill


I hate quoting/paraphrasing Matt Damon (but I like the movie): "If it's all luck, why are the same 6 people in the playoffs every year?" If you look at our legacy league that's been going for 5 years now, the same 4 (out of 12) are in the playoffs EVERY year, with one or two people on that 7-6/6-7-with-points fence that will flip in and out year-to-year. (I'm one of those people. Not making it this year. About ruined my weekend, as my frustrations boiled over at the drunk ass in front of me at the game, with whom I got into a "colorful verbal exchange".)

Luck is a HUGE factor, but to suggest that its all luck is incorrect. (I know you said 90%, but I'd peg it at two thirds, or 75% at most.)

Also, our IDP scoring is retarded this year- JJ Watt put up 46 points against me this past week. With Romo and Stafford as well, I was down 96.5 - 0 after thanksgiving, and he'd had 3 people play. Wooo, triple 30 burger. Even though I had no control, it bothered me all weekend.
 
2012-11-26 12:44:18 PM  

IAmRight: jayhawk88: ***snip***

/then again, since FFB is 90% luck, whatever.
//and everyone with winning teams will come in and talk about how it's all skill


Even Matthew Berry, who is arguably the most famous FFB analyst, has said that FFB success is significantly dependent on luck. You just make the best moves you can, but sometimes you lose.

///Unless you're me, then you lose in the most gut-punchingly horrible ways possible, like QB kneeldowns giving you -.04 pts to lose by .02. Yes, that happened to me last year.
 
2012-11-26 12:58:39 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Rapmaster2000: Electromax: Also I'm getting so sick of Kellen Davis.

He can't catch, but he makes up for it by not blocking.

Your comment is on the nose and depressing. I have no idea why he's still on the roster.


Dude's been possibly the most worthless member of the team for a long time now. When the hell are they going to cut him and why hasn't that happened? Spaeth is better. That rookie Rodriguez is better. I might even be better, though not by much.
 
2012-11-26 01:01:21 PM  

LarryDan43: Bears are probably better without Hester at this point. A receiver who knows the routes would be a welcome change. Tillman will be back. Lance Louis hurts though. He is the best of that sorry bunch up front.


You would think after, how many years (5?), they would learn Hester is a god-awful receiver. He has great speed and moves, but when the guy cannot get open or catch a pass, you should stop using him as a receiver.
 
2012-11-26 01:10:16 PM  
Hester, big deal, guy has lost a step but at least he doesn't fumble kicks as often.
Forte, is overrated in the running game, but excellent in passing. As long as Bush doesn't fumble (looking at you Marion Barber,) then this is an upgrade in the running game.
Tillman is irreplaceable.
If Carimi can play right guard, I say let him, otherwise send him back north in exchange for a case of Sprecher's Cream Soda.
 
2012-11-26 01:14:25 PM  

roc6783: ///Unless you're me, then you lose in the most gut-punchingly horrible ways possible, like QB kneeldowns giving you -.04 pts to lose by .02. Yes, that happened to me last year.


Yeah, I remember losing by 5.5 points when Westbrook knelt at the 1 so the Eagles could run out the clock instead of running it in the end zone. The next year, when DeSean Jackson dropped the TD at the 1 to celebrate...guess who had him? Guess who I was going against? That's right, the guy who had Westbrook, who then got a TD on the ensuing play.
 
2012-11-26 01:19:38 PM  

IAmRight: roc6783: ///Unless you're me, then you lose in the most gut-punchingly horrible ways possible, like QB kneeldowns giving you -.04 pts to lose by .02. Yes, that happened to me last year.

Yeah, I remember losing by 5.5 points when Westbrook knelt at the 1 so the Eagles could run out the clock instead of running it in the end zone. The next year, when DeSean Jackson dropped the TD at the 1 to celebrate...guess who had him? Guess who I was going against? That's right, the guy who had Westbrook, who then got a TD on the ensuing play.


You are like a less attractive me with terrible taste in football teams. I weep for the both of us.
 
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