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(Gizmodo)   MS pledges at least four years of support for Surface products in an effort to compete with Apple. Samsung responds by pledging two weeks in addition to the 48 hours currently provided   (gizmodo.com) divider line 62
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2012-11-26 05:35:22 PM  

MrEricSir: moothemagiccow: I never got the "sync" thing. Can't you just mount the ipod as a disk like every other music player?

It comes down to performance. At some point you're going to have to build a database of all the metadata in your MP3s so you can search it, build playlists, etc. Question is, do you want to do that on your computer, or on the device?


Android devices do this on the device...it doesn't seem to be noticeably slower in any way.

iOS does this for photos and movies to some extent too, so obviously it isn't exactly skipping book-keeping.

My guess is that the biggest motivation is rights management -- you can't just drag and drop your friend's music/movies indefinitely.
 
2012-11-26 05:36:51 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: moothemagiccow: The surface would've sold like hotcakes six years ago. The hell is wrong with microsoft? I keep up with this shiat and it looks like another touchscreen to me.

It's another touchscreen with at least 25 apps available in the MS App Store.


Last time I heard it was more like 20,000... am I wrong?
 
2012-11-26 05:50:19 PM  

imgod2u: MrEricSir: moothemagiccow: I never got the "sync" thing. Can't you just mount the ipod as a disk like every other music player?

It comes down to performance. At some point you're going to have to build a database of all the metadata in your MP3s so you can search it, build playlists, etc. Question is, do you want to do that on your computer, or on the device?

Android devices do this on the device...it doesn't seem to be noticeably slower in any way.

iOS does this for photos and movies to some extent too, so obviously it isn't exactly skipping book-keeping.

My guess is that the biggest motivation is rights management -- you can't just drag and drop your friend's music/movies indefinitely.


iOS actually does require "syncing" with photos and videos. If you just drag the photos on and off the device, it won't be updated properly. You either won't be able to view your photos/movies, or you won't be able to copy them off the device using camera software and/or iTunes.
 
2012-11-26 06:14:53 PM  
It's kinda hilarious how Bill started things up with ruthless business tactics, made billions, then he's like "Later guys good luck".

Now MS is suffering the long backlash of bad PR from what got MS to where it is today.

I wonder if the same will happen to Apple? It's pretty obvious how Steve Jobs came back and was like "farking shiat guys you're doing a farktarded job keeping up with Bill" then he turns things around with some ruthless business tactics. But his tactics were more sneaky, and when fanboys splooge over every new Apple device, it's tough to get a bad rep.
 
2012-11-26 06:19:25 PM  

torusXL: It's kinda hilarious how Bill started things up with ruthless business tactics, made billions, then he's like "Later guys good luck".

Now MS is suffering the long backlash of bad PR from what got MS to where it is today.

I wonder if the same will happen to Apple? It's pretty obvious how Steve Jobs came back and was like "farking shiat guys you're doing a farktarded job keeping up with Bill" then he turns things around with some ruthless business tactics. But his tactics were more sneaky, and when fanboys splooge over every new Apple device, it's tough to get a bad rep.


I do wish Bill would come back, give Ballmer a swirly in the executive bathroom, and take charge again.

Apple today is really no different than the Microsoft of the 90s. They've just done a better job of saying, "Who, me?" when someone points the finger on anti-trust and anti-competitive behavior.
 
2012-11-26 06:37:29 PM  

theurge14: moothemagiccow: BHShaman: moothemagiccow:

I never got the "sync" thing. Can't you just mount the ipod as a disk like every other music player?

Standard USB drive recognition only gives you the image folder.
All the other OS folders are hidden w/o 3rd party software.

No I mean "why can't Apple let you mount the ipod as a disk?" It's a transparent scheme to keep you in their music store.

Along with this, the whole "authorize up to 10 computers on this Apple ID account", Fairplay DRM and a few other things, it was one of the concessions made with the recording companies that convinced them to allow music to be sold on the iTMS back in the mid-2000s. Granted it seems a bit anachronistic now (they've removed DRM in 2009) but that's one of the things it took to get the ball rolling.


CSB:

While working on consumer tech support in a well-known computer retailer here in the UK, we had a guy bring in his ipod touch to transfer all his music off it onto his shiny new Mac he just bought that we were setting up. No problem, says El Thicko the sale assistant, our techys can do that for you. Never mind the fact that you can't transfer shiat off of any apple device onto an unauthorised computer. naturally, it landed on my section of the desk, and after much frustration and wanting to throw the iMac out the window, i just started to think logically. You can see the iPod as a removable device, but you can't see the music. Out comes the linux programming, and a few key commands later, the music control folders were visible, unprotected and I just ripped them off onto the music folder on the Mac, changed their attributes from hidden to visible, re-entered the commands to make hidden stuff invisible again and told iTunes to add the folders I just copied into the library. They may have stupid file names (seriously, when they get transferred to ipod the filenames are changed to four random letters and assigned into a random numbered directory), but iTunes doesn't use filenames, it uses the ID3 tags. Sorted. Slapped El Thicko around the head and insisted he was present when the customer came back in to collect his shiny new hardware in case he had a problem with not being able to manage his library outside of iTunes. As suspected, it wasn't an issue for him since he didn't realise you could move a file let alone delete it..........

/end CSB
 
2012-11-26 08:19:39 PM  

styckx: That headline is sadly 100% accurate.. Samsung are awful at support. Samsung shiat is ok if it's a Nexus device but anything else that they actually have to support themselves you should expect one entire upgrade and a bunch of un-lubed fists up your ass the rest of the products life.


People still expect support?

Here's my experience:

1995 - bought an HP desktop....modem went bad (possibly due to power surge during thunderstorm - not sure, didn't mention the thunderstorm during call to support). They insisted on sending someone out to replace it even though I assured them that I could handle installing the modem card all by myself. Really - they insisted and they did send someone out and they did it within a couple of days. I was impressed.

A few years later I bought a new HP desktop and the farking 3.5" floppy didn't work. HP support basically told me to fark off. That was the last HP desktop I ever bought. (That was still before their marriage to Compaq).

2012 - IF I bought a Surface and I had a problem with it, I'd scour the internet for a solution and if I couldn't find one I'd return it to the store. I'm not going to buy a Surface. Their commercials are no more convincing than Budweiser commercials telling me I should drink their beer and I've seen nothing but bad reviews about the OS they put on it.
 
2012-11-26 09:14:25 PM  

Happy Hours: styckx: That headline is sadly 100% accurate.. Samsung are awful at support. Samsung shiat is ok if it's a Nexus device but anything else that they actually have to support themselves you should expect one entire upgrade and a bunch of un-lubed fists up your ass the rest of the products life.

People still expect support?

Here's my experience:

1995 - bought an HP desktop....modem went bad (possibly due to power surge during thunderstorm - not sure, didn't mention the thunderstorm during call to support). They insisted on sending someone out to replace it even though I assured them that I could handle installing the modem card all by myself. Really - they insisted and they did send someone out and they did it within a couple of days. I was impressed.

A few years later I bought a new HP desktop and the farking 3.5" floppy didn't work. HP support basically told me to fark off. That was the last HP desktop I ever bought. (That was still before their marriage to Compaq).

2012 - IF I bought a Surface and I had a problem with it, I'd scour the internet for a solution and if I couldn't find one I'd return it to the store. I'm not going to buy a Surface. Their commercials are no more convincing than Budweiser commercials telling me I should drink their beer and I've seen nothing but bad reviews about the OS they put on it.


Tried one?
 
2012-11-26 09:55:08 PM  

Marine1: Tried one?


Nope, and I sort of want a tablet,but Microsoft isn't doing much to convince me I should get one based on their commercials -maybe they appeal to others, but I'm doing just fine with a laptop and an Android phone.

I'm poor right now....after Xmas I might consider getting a tablet but before I put down any money I'm going to research it thoroughly.

If I buy one, I certainly don't expect any support directly from the manufacturer or author of the OS no matter what OS or what manufacturer made it.
 
2012-11-26 10:48:43 PM  

gingerjet: I kind of liked the keyboard. But 99% of the time I'm using my tablet on a couch. Microsoft is the only company I know that would design a tablet that basically forces you to use it at a desk to be productive.


Microsoft's design team is run by geeks.

As long as Microsoft is only marketing to geeks, they are very successful.
 
2012-11-27 01:34:15 AM  

mtb9000: wow, that's a pretty low resolution


MS said that they didn't want Retina resolutions because it eats battery life having to pump out all of those pixels. Too bad that the battery life of the Surface isn't remarkably better than current-gen iPads.


AcneVulgaris: It an Android phone lacked a removable battery, it would be bicked within a week.


There are a few Android phones with non-removable batteries (see: Moto Droid 4). There are key combinations you can use to simulate a battery yank.
 
2012-11-27 02:03:40 AM  

Dinjiin: mtb9000: wow, that's a pretty low resolution

MS said that they didn't want Retina resolutions because it eats battery life having to pump out all of those pixels. Too bad that the battery life of the Surface isn't remarkably better than current-gen iPads.


Plus, the Transformer Pad Infinity does fine on a Tegra 3 with near Retina screen resolution.
 
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