dletter: ElwoodCuse: awesome let's shrink the league to 12 teams while we're at it so it can completely disappear from the sports landscape on this continentAnd 8 of them in Canada... NY, Boston, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh, Buffalo left in the U.S. (so, at least 14 teams)
DasBeast: [www.lacrosse-information.com image 197x337]Bye, NHL.
LineNoise: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.As much as I'd like to rag on betman, the owners have very valid points, and for christ sake, the players hired Fehr.
WTF Indeed: The silver lining in this lockout is that the teams Bettman ripped from the North and put in the South will lose their fan base and be forced back into the Canada and the Northeast.
mjohnson71: dletter: ElwoodCuse: awesome let's shrink the league to 12 teams while we're at it so it can completely disappear from the sports landscape on this continentAnd 8 of them in Canada... NY, Boston, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh, Buffalo left in the U.S. (so, at least 14 teams)You forgot St. Louis. While we've never won a cup, the Blues have always been a top franchise for 40+ years except for the rough stretch after the last lockout and ownership drama.
mjohnson71: Galloping Galoshes: Martonio: There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.Yeah, and the owners coined money. Are you suggesting that's the way things ought to be? The lifeblood of a multi-billion dollar industry should have to scramble to make a living, and then, what? They spent their whole lives preparing to play pro hockey, and now what do they do? Oh, they should be honored they were allowed to entertain you for a few years, now go sell windows.They should get what they can while they can. Screw the owners. The NHL has and always has had the most backward ownership of all the major pro sports. Everyone pines for the "original six," well, maybe that's what will survive.Serious question: is there a group of owners that are using this lockout as a way to "bleed off" other teams they don't want?
dletter: keylock71: Pathetic....fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.Speaking of that... has the NHL Network announced that they would show some AHL and/or ECHL games with the NHL locked out. If not... is there a reason why not... I mean, it isn't like they see them as "competition", they are effectively the leagues AAA & AA system.
keylock71: Pathetic....fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.
desertgeek: Pierre LeBrun just tweeted that a federal mediator is now involved in the labor talks.
DasBeast: A pretty good fan site pushing the NLL over NHL argument.
Martonio: There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.
JohnnyCanuck: I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.
LineNoise: desertgeek: But we've been saying that for what? 4 months now?And this is why I am growing more and more anti NHLPA. So far the league has shown restraint in cancelling games, making it so a season could get up and running fast if a deal is had.The talk now of decertification is the union saying they don't give a shiat about the season. It will take 2 months or so just to decertify, let alone the lawsuits that will then come out of it.
LineNoise: desertgeek: Fehr and the union gave in on going to a 50/50 split right awayThey didn't though with the insistance on the make whole. the split they proposed would only affect new contracts, which total exactly 0 right now.
LineNoise: The pronger thing is an annoyance at best.
dletter: DasBeast: dletter: DasBeast: [www.lacrosse-information.com image 197x337]Bye, NHL.Just like last time though, the NLL won't do anything meaningful to take advantage though.... you think the NHL is run poorly....Part of the problem is several teams are owned (full or partially) by their NHL counterparts in that city. (Calgary, Buffalo, etc). Convincing owners to promote the small sport at the expense of the larger sport...that's a tough sell. Here's hoping some of the better owners in the NLL, like Dawick, Urban, and Cline put some pressure on the league to step up.True... it is a bit of a conundrum to expect the NHL owned teams to work hard to take advantage of their larger teams follies to help their smaller (NLL) team.I guess the other thing I meant though was from the league perspective... this NHL lockout was not a surprise, and the fact that they might pull a 2004 again was not coming as a shock... the NLL should have really pushed a lot harder to get teams established in some new, needed markets again this year (NY/Brooklyn, Florida/Tampa, other larger markets they need to get into). The NLL unfortunately doesn't seem to have a real growth plan to get Indoor Lacrosse truly more popular as a nationwide sport, which is sad because honestly I think it is a sport that more fans would warm up to if they saw it, especially in person... honestly as a person who isn't a hockey nut, I tend to enjoy it in person more than most hockey games I've watched... and I think the appeal of more scores in a game would endeer it to more US sports fans than hockey & soccer currently do.
ElwoodCuse: awesome let's shrink the league to 12 teams while we're at it so it can completely disappear from the sports landscape on this continent
dletter: DasBeast: [www.lacrosse-information.com image 197x337]Bye, NHL.Just like last time though, the NLL won't do anything meaningful to take advantage though.... you think the NHL is run poorly....
LineNoise: VERYONE knew those contracts were a load of crap, and part of this is to close the loopholes that lead to them. I'm a flyers fan, and closing the loopholes will hurt us, but needs to be done
Tryfan: Fark the nhlpa. Hockey players are simpletons who would willingly follow Peter Piper over a cliff if he framed it as " being a part of the team".Also, fark retards who blame Bettman for everything. Commissioner does not equal dictator. ALL of the league's expansion was approved before he was hired, including the last round of it even though he was in by the time it was implemented. Nor does the league have total control of where teams move when leases run out - they have to have good legal cause to block them.All of this is public knowledge but you have to actually educate yourself to it, something most neanderthal "blame Bettman" drones are incapable of.
desertgeek: But we've been saying that for what? 4 months now?
Mrtraveler01: LineNoise: You have plenty of unprofitable teams in great markets *coughISLANDERScough* that have nothing to do with how the owners or league operates.That might change with the move to Brooklyn...maybe.
LineNoise: You have plenty of unprofitable teams in great markets *coughISLANDERScough* that have nothing to do with how the owners or league operates.
LineNoise: Like the owners who have taken a "our way or the highway" approach to negotiations in good faith?And the NHLPA isn't guilty of this as well? Notice, I say the NHLPA, and not the players. Their union leadership is running them into disaster. If they decertify, that is it for any hope of a season, as this thing will then sit in courts for 6 months.
LineNoise: As a hockey fan I want the brand to grow. that means moving into non-traditional markets. People biatch and moan that hockey doesn't get the attention it deserves, and part of fixing that means making it a national game, and not restricted to niche markets.
LineNoise: EVERYONE knew those contracts were a load of crap
Galloping Galoshes: Like wanting the players to pay for the NHL's overexpansion into unprofitable markets (when the owners pocketed the franchise fee)?
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