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2012-11-26 10:29:17 AM  
Fark you, Jeremy Jacobs.
 
2012-11-26 10:52:24 AM  

FriarReb98: Fark you, Jeremy Jacobs.


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Problem?
 
2012-11-26 10:57:20 AM  
The silver lining in this lockout is that the teams Bettman ripped from the North and put in the South will lose their fan base and be forced back into the Canada and the Northeast.
 
2012-11-26 11:01:17 AM  
*throws monitor*
 
2012-11-26 11:04:00 AM  
Glad we get a greenlight for news that happened on Friday.
 
2012-11-26 11:05:04 AM  
Saw an interesting article on the number of games the NHL has lost since Bettman became Commissioner:

# of games lost under Bettman

If this season is lost, the NHL will have lost almost 13% of scheduled games since Bettman started, as compared with no NFL games lost under Goodell, and 2% of NBA games under Stern and 2% of MLB games under Selig.

It's not that Bettman is particularly evil, he's just a small man, not big enough for the job, not big enough to protect the owners from themselves.
 
2012-11-26 11:05:39 AM  
I play men's league with an ex-NHLer who went through the last 2 lockouts. His point to make last night? "It takes about 4 paychecks. That's where they are now. About 4 paychecks missed then guys start sweating and calling up, Just farking sign it. These guys aren't rich."

Lo and behold, how were the players last week? Can't remember the last time I heard so much bickering, complaining and retweeted death threats. People be gettin' cranky.

Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.
 
2012-11-26 11:06:15 AM  
Is this the thread where we say "FARK BETTMAN!"?

/FARK BETTMAN!
 
2012-11-26 11:08:06 AM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.


As much as I'd like to rag on betman, the owners have very valid points, and for christ sake, the players hired Fehr.
 
2012-11-26 11:10:37 AM  

LineNoise: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.

As much as I'd like to rag on betman, the owners have very valid points, and for christ sake, the players hired Fehr.


Of course the players hired Fehr. They got rolled last time, and Fehr did great things for the MLBPA (and MLB, if they would admit it).
I'm curious about the valid points the owners make. Such as?
 
2012-11-26 11:10:42 AM  
Ah fark me. This is farking bull shiat.
 
2012-11-26 11:11:57 AM  

WTF Indeed: The silver lining in this lockout is that the teams Bettman ripped from the North and put in the South will lose their fan base and be forced back into the Canada and the Northeast.


Or could just place a couple of them in the Northwest!? I would love to see the NHL come to Portland and Seattle.

/How the fark does Phoenix have a NHL team?
 
2012-11-26 11:14:16 AM  

LineNoise: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.

As much as I'd like to rag on betman, the owners have very valid points, and for christ sake, the players hired Fehr.


Like not wanting to pay the contracts they signed willingly?

Like not wanting to prop up bettmans penis expansion into the south anymore?

Like not wanting to split profits with teams and owners that simply just dont give a fark at improving their product ?

Like the owners who have taken a "our way or the highway" approach to negotiations in good faith?
 
2012-11-26 11:17:01 AM  
Dammit.

This really hurts for Columbus. They spent a boatlaod of money they didn't really have expecting the ASG to balance it out.

Not too upset about losing the season, because it was going to be dreadful with the bag of beans that Howson got for Nash, but the All Star Game was going to be a bright spot.

There is a lot of support for the team here. I mean, they will always be second fiddle to the other pro sport in town, OSU football, but hockey is huge here and if this farking mess causes us to lose a team...
 
2012-11-26 11:17:35 AM  

poisonedpawn78: LineNoise: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.

As much as I'd like to rag on betman, the owners have very valid points, and for christ sake, the players hired Fehr.

Like not wanting to pay the contracts they signed willingly?

Like not wanting to prop up bettmans penis expansion into the south anymore?

Like not wanting to split profits with teams and owners that simply just dont give a fark at improving their product ?

Like the owners who have taken a "our way or the highway" approach to negotiations in good faith?


Like wanting the players to pay for the NHL's overexpansion into unprofitable markets (when the owners pocketed the franchise fee)?
 
2012-11-26 11:22:45 AM  

poisonedpawn78: LineNoise: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.

As much as I'd like to rag on betman, the owners have very valid points, and for christ sake, the players hired Fehr.

Like not wanting to pay the contracts they signed willingly?


EVERYONE knew those contracts were a load of crap, and part of this is to close the loopholes that lead to them. I'm a flyers fan, and closing the loopholes will hurt us, but needs to be done. Also keep in mind contracts are not "I'll pay you 5 million a year" contracts in hockey. They are, "based on X revenue and X growth, I will pay you X" It has been that way since the last contract, and is the whole point of escrow.

Like not wanting to prop up bettmans penis expansion into the south anymore?

As a hockey fan I want the brand to grow. that means moving into non-traditional markets. People biatch and moan that hockey doesn't get the attention it deserves, and part of fixing that means making it a national game, and not restricted to niche markets.

Like not wanting to split profits with teams and owners that simply just dont give a fark at improving their product ? Not sure I follow this here. Keep in mind, you have a handful of teams that pretty much print money. The bulk of teams are usually profitable, and you have a handful of teams with money problems. Part of the goal here is to fix this. I do agree with the players on revenue sharing. I do agree with a floor on the salary cap. However the owners are not against either of those.

Like the owners who have taken a "our way or the highway" approach to negotiations in good faith?And the NHLPA isn't guilty of this as well? Notice, I say the NHLPA, and not the players. Their union leadership is running them into disaster. If they decertify, that is it for any hope of a season, as this thing will then sit in courts for 6 months.
 
2012-11-26 11:26:41 AM  

Galloping Galoshes: Like wanting the players to pay for the NHL's overexpansion into unprofitable markets (when the owners pocketed the franchise fee)?


For the most part, this argument centers around phoenix, and we all know that phoenix isn't long for this world, nor do they cost anyone a boatload of money, other than the city of glendale. You have plenty of unprofitable teams in great markets *coughISLANDERScough* that have nothing to do with how the owners or league operates.

Look at teams like the sharks, or carolina, as examples of non-traditional markets that are working. I'm confident phoenix would come around as well given enough time. You just need to give time for the kids who go to their first game to work their way through the pipeline to turn into kids who now play, and then ultimately paying fans.
 
2012-11-26 11:30:12 AM  

LineNoise: Like the owners who have taken a "our way or the highway" approach to negotiations in good faith?And the NHLPA isn't guilty of this as well? Notice, I say the NHLPA, and not the players. Their union leadership is running them into disaster. If they decertify, that is it for any hope of a season, as this thing will then sit in courts for 6 months.


Wrong. One of Fehr's tactics, and one that worked very well for him with the MLBPA, is to keep the players looped in completely. Players are free to join in negotiating sessions, including rank and file, and are involved in every way. You have completely mischaracterized what Fehr does (and fallen for the owners line of BS as they try to divide the union).

LineNoise: As a hockey fan I want the brand to grow. that means moving into non-traditional markets. People biatch and moan that hockey doesn't get the attention it deserves, and part of fixing that means making it a national game, and not restricted to niche markets.


That's fine, but the NHL expanded way too far, way too fast. And for their managerial arrogance, the league wants the players to pay for it.

LineNoise: EVERYONE knew those contracts were a load of crap


Last I heard, a contract is a contract. A signed agreement enforceable in the courts. If the owners didn't intend to live up to the terms, that's fraud. If you believe that no one expected the contracts to be valid, you have bought the owners' BS again.
 
2012-11-26 11:32:05 AM  

LineNoise: You have plenty of unprofitable teams in great markets *coughISLANDERScough* that have nothing to do with how the owners or league operates.


That might change with the move to Brooklyn...maybe.
 
2012-11-26 11:33:11 AM  

LineNoise: Look at teams like the sharks, or carolina, as examples of non-traditional markets that are working. I'm confident phoenix would come around as well given enough time. You just need to give time for the kids who go to their first game to work their way through the pipeline to turn into kids who now play, and then ultimately paying fans.


The OWNERS are arguing that the players' costs have to be reduced to ensure the viability of these franchises. The league took the risk, and is fully capable of ensuring these franchises' viability via revenue sharing. The league took the risk, the owners reaped the short-term rewards of the franchise fees, and the league wants the players to bear the cost of the (as you say) short-term (say, 20 years) losses until these franchises become profitable. Baloney.
 
2012-11-26 11:34:42 AM  

Mrtraveler01: LineNoise: You have plenty of unprofitable teams in great markets *coughISLANDERScough* that have nothing to do with how the owners or league operates.

That might change with the move to Brooklyn...maybe.


Nobody goes to see a bad team. But who owns the building? Who gets the concessions? Parking? (If any.) What about the other revenue streams besides tickets?
 
2012-11-26 11:38:58 AM  
www.lacrosse-information.com

Bye, NHL.
 
2012-11-26 11:45:16 AM  
So Linenoise.. are you bettman or daly?
 
2012-11-26 11:45:16 AM  

DasBeast: [www.lacrosse-information.com image 197x337]

Bye, NHL.


I'll have to go dig through the attic to see if I have any old Washington Wave stuff.
 
2012-11-26 11:46:11 AM  

lunchinlewis: DasBeast: [www.lacrosse-information.com image 197x337]

Bye, NHL.

I'll have to go dig through the attic to see if I have any old Washington Wave stuff.


Simulpost in a hockey thread.. i do believe thats about as rare as it gets!
 
2012-11-26 11:48:20 AM  
This is going to hit Barbasol in the pockets.
 
2012-11-26 11:53:36 AM  
Well this blows.
 
2012-11-26 11:55:49 AM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I play men's league with an ex-NHLer who went through the last 2 lockouts. His point to make last night? "It takes about 4 paychecks. That's where they are now. About 4 paychecks missed then guys start sweating and calling up, Just farking sign it. These guys aren't rich."

Lo and behold, how were the players last week? Can't remember the last time I heard so much bickering, complaining and retweeted death threats. People be gettin' cranky.

Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.


I said this in a thread last week: we're going to see people on both sides increase pressure to get a deal done over the next couple of weeks. The fact that Fehr and the union gave in on going to a 50/50 split right away instead of gradually will help make the owners who want games to be played push for a deal. Plus, I think both sides know that a cancelled season equals suicide for the the teams' finances and the players' jobs and income for at least the next decade. And you can make the strong argument that for some markets, those things are already dead.

They need to get a deal done and they need to get it done NOW.

But we've been saying that for what? 4 months now?
 
2012-11-26 11:56:03 AM  

DasBeast: [www.lacrosse-information.com image 197x337]

Bye, NHL.


Just like last time though, the NLL won't do anything meaningful to take advantage though.... you think the NHL is run poorly....
 
2012-11-26 12:00:21 PM  

desertgeek: Fehr and the union gave in on going to a 50/50 split right away


They didn't though with the insistance on the make whole. the split they proposed would only affect new contracts, which total exactly 0 right now.
 
2012-11-26 12:07:11 PM  
Hey, NHL

www.lobshots.com
 
2012-11-26 12:08:05 PM  

desertgeek: But we've been saying that for what? 4 months now?


And this is why I am growing more and more anti NHLPA. So far the league has shown restraint in cancelling games, making it so a season could get up and running fast if a deal is had.

The talk now of decertification is the union saying they don't give a shiat about the season. It will take 2 months or so just to decertify, let alone the lawsuits that will then come out of it.
 
2012-11-26 12:15:50 PM  

Rwa2play: FARK BETTMAN!

 
2012-11-26 12:28:09 PM  
MLS championship in a week and per-season in February. NFL till then... I'm starting to care less and less.
 
2012-11-26 12:31:15 PM  
Fark the nhlpa. Hockey players are simpletons who would willingly follow Peter Piper over a cliff if he framed it as " being a part of the team".

Also, fark retards who blame Bettman for everything. Commissioner does not equal dictator. ALL of the league's expansion was approved before he was hired, including the last round of it even though he was in by the time it was implemented. Nor does the league have total control of where teams move when leases run out - they have to have good legal cause to block them.

All of this is public knowledge but you have to actually educate yourself to it, something most neanderthal "blame Bettman" drones are incapable of.
 
2012-11-26 12:37:34 PM  

Tryfan: Fark the nhlpa. Hockey players are simpletons who would willingly follow Peter Piper over a cliff if he framed it as " being a part of the team".

Also, fark retards who blame Bettman for everything. Commissioner does not equal dictator. ALL of the league's expansion was approved before he was hired, including the last round of it even though he was in by the time it was implemented. Nor does the league have total control of where teams move when leases run out - they have to have good legal cause to block them.

All of this is public knowledge but you have to actually educate yourself to it, something most neanderthal "blame Bettman" drones are incapable of.


Meh. 2/10. Not your strongest effort.
 
2012-11-26 12:38:06 PM  

LineNoise: And this is why I am growing more and more anti NHLPA. So far the league has shown restraint in cancelling games, making it so a season could get up and running fast if a deal is had.


This makes no sense. At this point I can't tell if you're trolling or just very stupid.
 
2012-11-26 12:44:49 PM  

LineNoise: VERYONE knew those contracts were a load of crap, and part of this is to close the loopholes that lead to them. I'm a flyers fan, and closing the loopholes will hurt us, but needs to be done


Then you also know a lockout and a new CBA was probably the best thing that could happen.

Our off season was horrible. We lost a first pair d-man in carle and got bruno farking gervais back. We lost Weber.

With a year off, we can trade for Weber (Nashville sure as shiat can't afford him now), or sign *someone*. With a CBA Amnesty buyout we can finally get Pronger off the books and get back the millions we're out in the off-season.

Of all teams, the lockout is best for Philly.
 
2012-11-26 12:45:13 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: LineNoise: And this is why I am growing more and more anti NHLPA. So far the league has shown restraint in cancelling games, making it so a season could get up and running fast if a deal is had.

This makes no sense. At this point I can't tell if you're trolling or just very stupid.


How about ill-informed?
 
2012-11-26 12:46:43 PM  

dletter: DasBeast: [www.lacrosse-information.com image 197x337]

Bye, NHL.

Just like last time though, the NLL won't do anything meaningful to take advantage though.... you think the NHL is run poorly....


Part of the problem is several teams are owned (full or partially) by their NHL counterparts in that city. (Calgary, Buffalo, etc). Convincing owners to promote the small sport at the expense of the larger sport...that's a tough sell. Here's hoping some of the better owners in the NLL, like Dawick, Urban, and Cline put some pressure on the league to step up.
 
2012-11-26 12:47:42 PM  
FARK YOU BUTTMAN! DIAF!
 
2012-11-26 12:48:21 PM  

soopey: Tryfan: Fark the nhlpa. Hockey players are simpletons who would willingly follow Peter Piper over a cliff if he framed it as " being a part of the team".

Also, fark retards who blame Bettman for everything. Commissioner does not equal dictator. ALL of the league's expansion was approved before he was hired, including the last round of it even though he was in by the time it was implemented. Nor does the league have total control of where teams move when leases run out - they have to have good legal cause to block them.

All of this is public knowledge but you have to actually educate yourself to it, something most neanderthal "blame Bettman" drones are incapable of.

Meh. 2/10. Not your strongest effort.


2/10? Are you serious? That's a 0/10. Clearly lacks any knowledge of the issues surrounding the lockout, a weak attempt to demonize and insult an entire group, and a "there's only one side to this discussion" attitude. 0/10. But about par for the course for a Farker.
 
2012-11-26 12:58:39 PM  

DasBeast: dletter: DasBeast: [www.lacrosse-information.com image 197x337]

Bye, NHL.

Just like last time though, the NLL won't do anything meaningful to take advantage though.... you think the NHL is run poorly....

Part of the problem is several teams are owned (full or partially) by their NHL counterparts in that city. (Calgary, Buffalo, etc). Convincing owners to promote the small sport at the expense of the larger sport...that's a tough sell. Here's hoping some of the better owners in the NLL, like Dawick, Urban, and Cline put some pressure on the league to step up.


True... it is a bit of a conundrum to expect the NHL owned teams to work hard to take advantage of their larger teams follies to help their smaller (NLL) team.

I guess the other thing I meant though was from the league perspective... this NHL lockout was not a surprise, and the fact that they might pull a 2004 again was not coming as a shock... the NLL should have really pushed a lot harder to get teams established in some new, needed markets again this year (NY/Brooklyn, Florida/Tampa, other larger markets they need to get into). The NLL unfortunately doesn't seem to have a real growth plan to get Indoor Lacrosse truly more popular as a nationwide sport, which is sad because honestly I think it is a sport that more fans would warm up to if they saw it, especially in person... honestly as a person who isn't a hockey nut, I tend to enjoy it in person more than most hockey games I've watched... and I think the appeal of more scores in a game would endeer it to more US sports fans than hockey & soccer currently do.
 
2012-11-26 01:02:31 PM  

WTF Indeed: The silver lining in this lockout is that the teams Bettman ripped from the North and put in the South will lose their fan base and be forced back into the Canada and the Northeast.


awesome let's shrink the league to 12 teams while we're at it so it can completely disappear from the sports landscape on this continent
 
2012-11-26 01:09:16 PM  

ElwoodCuse: awesome let's shrink the league to 12 teams while we're at it so it can completely disappear from the sports landscape on this continent


And 8 of them in Canada... NY, Boston, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh, Buffalo left in the U.S. (so, at least 14 teams)
 
2012-11-26 01:09:25 PM  

Quigs: LineNoise: VERYONE knew those contracts were a load of crap, and part of this is to close the loopholes that lead to them. I'm a flyers fan, and closing the loopholes will hurt us, but needs to be done

Then you also know a lockout and a new CBA was probably the best thing that could happen.

Our off season was horrible. We lost a first pair d-man in carle and got bruno farking gervais back. We lost Weber.

With a year off, we can trade for Weber (Nashville sure as shiat can't afford him now), or sign *someone*. With a CBA Amnesty buyout we can finally get Pronger off the books and get back the millions we're out in the off-season.

Of all teams, the lockout is best for Philly.


The pronger thing is an annoyance at best. I personaly hope the guy comes back (yea, I know, not going to happen). The Weber thing was a pipe dream to begin with. Signing *someone* is going to be hard assuming all of the loopholes we have exploited in the last 7 years get yanked away.

A new CBA might help us balance our books a little better, but we won't have the wiggle room to work with that we did for the last 7 years. If the cap was truly the cap, we never would have got pronger, bryz, or even been able to toy with the idea of signing weber.

But those rules need to change. No more front loaded 12 year contracts. They hurt everyone.
 
2012-11-26 01:14:52 PM  

dletter: DasBeast: dletter: DasBeast: [www.lacrosse-information.com image 197x337]

Bye, NHL.

Just like last time though, the NLL won't do anything meaningful to take advantage though.... you think the NHL is run poorly....

Part of the problem is several teams are owned (full or partially) by their NHL counterparts in that city. (Calgary, Buffalo, etc). Convincing owners to promote the small sport at the expense of the larger sport...that's a tough sell. Here's hoping some of the better owners in the NLL, like Dawick, Urban, and Cline put some pressure on the league to step up.

True... it is a bit of a conundrum to expect the NHL owned teams to work hard to take advantage of their larger teams follies to help their smaller (NLL) team.

I guess the other thing I meant though was from the league perspective... this NHL lockout was not a surprise, and the fact that they might pull a 2004 again was not coming as a shock... the NLL should have really pushed a lot harder to get teams established in some new, needed markets again this year (NY/Brooklyn, Florida/Tampa, other larger markets they need to get into). The NLL unfortunately doesn't seem to have a real growth plan to get Indoor Lacrosse truly more popular as a nationwide sport, which is sad because honestly I think it is a sport that more fans would warm up to if they saw it, especially in person... honestly as a person who isn't a hockey nut, I tend to enjoy it in person more than most hockey games I've watched... and I think the appeal of more scores in a game would endeer it to more US sports fans than hockey & soccer currently do.


Go Maryland Arrows! (OK, I'm old, I admit it.)
 
2012-11-26 01:21:38 PM  

LineNoise: The pronger thing is an annoyance at best.


Pronger's cap hit is 5 million, on the books till 2017. He alone takes up 7% of the cap, and he's not playing another minute in his career. While it comes off the books during the season, during the off-season, when contracts are signed and free agents acquired, it counts. His cap needs to go.

Weber wasn't a pipe dream. You don't tie up a hundred million dollars on a pipe dream. Nashville couldn't afford him, but signed him anyway. They'll be trying to get rid of him soon.

There are no loopholes the Flyers exploited. Pronger was a 35+ contract. The closest to a cheat was lappy sitting on the IR for a year instead of retiring right away.
 
2012-11-26 01:35:15 PM  
Galloping Galoshes:

Go Maryland Arrows! (OK, I'm old, I admit it.)

i.ebayimg.com

Crunch Crosscheck approves your comment.
 
2012-11-26 01:37:45 PM  
I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.

Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.
 
2012-11-26 01:39:43 PM  

LineNoise: desertgeek: But we've been saying that for what? 4 months now?

And this is why I am growing more and more anti NHLPA. So far the league has shown restraint in cancelling games, making it so a season could get up and running fast if a deal is had.

The talk now of decertification is the union saying they don't give a shiat about the season. It will take 2 months or so just to decertify, let alone the lawsuits that will then come out of it.


When I saw the rumors of decertification last week, I thought "don't do it Fehr because everyone who's backing you now will turn on you if you go there." Bettman might as well announce the cancellation of the season if the union does that.

LineNoise: desertgeek: Fehr and the union gave in on going to a 50/50 split right away

They didn't though with the insistance on the make whole. the split they proposed would only affect new contracts, which total exactly 0 right now.


I think by "new contacts," they meant those signed this year. And that is totally fair because I think it's clear that some of those deals were done by owners who thought that there was no way in Hell they'd pay all of that out.
 
2012-11-26 01:42:19 PM  

DasBeast: Galloping Galoshes:

Go Maryland Arrows! (OK, I'm old, I admit it.)

[i.ebayimg.com image 300x225]

Crunch Crosscheck approves your comment.


Wow.

They came to my middle school to try to raise their profile. That was back when lacrosse was a serious blood sport. Kinda like hockey was at the time. I guess it made an impression.
 
2012-11-26 01:45:45 PM  

dletter: ElwoodCuse: awesome let's shrink the league to 12 teams while we're at it so it can completely disappear from the sports landscape on this continent

And 8 of them in Canada... NY, Boston, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh, Buffalo left in the U.S. (so, at least 14 teams)


You forgot St. Louis. While we've never won a cup, the Blues have always been a top franchise for 40+ years except for the rough stretch after the last lockout and ownership drama.
 
2012-11-26 01:52:39 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.

Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.


Obviously most Canadians haven't hit that point where they just threw their arms up in anger, said "FARK THIS!" to both sides and moved on to other things (See MLB, mid '94-most of '95).
 
2012-11-26 02:02:58 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.

Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.


For reals. The tsn.ca comment section is nuts. Nary one thought given to the fact that the owners might, _might_, have some responsibility for the lockout. Nope, it's just "You players need to do what you're told by your owners and get back to entertaining me."

And I thought that Canadians were the savvy hockey fans.
 
2012-11-26 02:41:35 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: DasBeast: Galloping Galoshes:

Go Maryland Arrows! (OK, I'm old, I admit it.)

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Crunch Crosscheck approves your comment.

Wow.

They came to my middle school to try to raise their profile. That was back when lacrosse was a serious blood sport. Kinda like hockey was at the time. I guess it made an impression.


I have a whole boxload of NLL/MILL/Eagle Pro lacrosse memorabilia. Several programs from the 70's NLL, magazines, banners, etc. I really need to go through that stuff, there's some vintage goodness there.
 
2012-11-26 02:45:04 PM  
The NHL and the NHLPA can get a deal done today and I don't care. I'm done with them.

Never again will I buy any merchandise or go to another game The best they get from me is I'll watch the games on basic cable.

Screw them both. I have better things to do than watch millionaires fight with billionaires.

There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.
 
2012-11-26 02:46:04 PM  

Martonio: The NHL and the NHLPA can get a deal done today and I don't care. I'm done with them.


Bye!
 
2012-11-26 02:46:35 PM  
A pretty good fan site pushing the NLL over NHL argument.
 
2012-11-26 02:59:17 PM  
It's probably good to point out that Comcast/NBC is part owners of the Philadelphia Flyers, and is paying the NHL under the terms of their contract at present for the NBC Sports Network, despite generating no revenue.
 
2012-11-26 03:01:36 PM  

Martonio: There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.


Yeah, and the owners coined money. Are you suggesting that's the way things ought to be? The lifeblood of a multi-billion dollar industry should have to scramble to make a living, and then, what? They spent their whole lives preparing to play pro hockey, and now what do they do? Oh, they should be honored they were allowed to entertain you for a few years, now go sell windows.

They should get what they can while they can. Screw the owners. The NHL has and always has had the most backward ownership of all the major pro sports. Everyone pines for the "original six," well, maybe that's what will survive.
 
2012-11-26 03:04:17 PM  
Pierre LeBrun just tweeted that a federal mediator is now involved in the labor talks.
 
2012-11-26 03:04:47 PM  

Martonio: The NHL and the NHLPA can get a deal done today and I don't care. I'm done with them.

Never again will I buy any merchandise or go to another game The best they get from me is I'll watch the games on basic cable.

Screw them both. I have better things to do than watch millionaires fight with billionaires.

There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.


Yup...and if it were up to the NHL the players would have to do so again.
 
2012-11-26 03:06:35 PM  

DasBeast: A pretty good fan site pushing the NLL over NHL argument.


It is nice, and sad that someone has to do that FOR the NLL.
 
2012-11-26 03:13:03 PM  

desertgeek: Pierre LeBrun just tweeted that a federal mediator is now involved in the labor talks.


I read that as "feral". That'd be more fun.

You get a rabies shot! And you get a rabies shot! And you get a rabies shot!
 
2012-11-26 03:13:20 PM  
Pathetic....

fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.

Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.
 
2012-11-26 03:13:55 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Martonio: There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.

Yeah, and the owners coined money. Are you suggesting that's the way things ought to be? The lifeblood of a multi-billion dollar industry should have to scramble to make a living, and then, what? They spent their whole lives preparing to play pro hockey, and now what do they do? Oh, they should be honored they were allowed to entertain you for a few years, now go sell windows.

They should get what they can while they can. Screw the owners. The NHL has and always has had the most backward ownership of all the major pro sports. Everyone pines for the "original six," well, maybe that's what will survive.


Serious question: is there a group of owners that are using this lockout as a way to "bleed off" other teams they don't want?
 
2012-11-26 03:16:47 PM  
Damn, there goes another hour of We Buy Any Car people dancing around on my TV
 
2012-11-26 03:18:40 PM  

keylock71: Pathetic....

fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.

Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.


Speaking of that... has the NHL Network announced that they would show some AHL and/or ECHL games with the NHL locked out. If not... is there a reason why not... I mean, it isn't like they see them as "competition", they are effectively the leagues AAA & AA system.
 
2012-11-26 03:24:56 PM  
Why do we still get these threads in the first place? Every time I see one it's like getting sack-tapped.
 
2012-11-26 03:38:08 PM  
The Original six? fark em. They're not original, nor are they the founding teams.
 
2012-11-26 03:46:44 PM  

dletter: keylock71: Pathetic....

fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.

Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.

Speaking of that... has the NHL Network announced that they would show some AHL and/or ECHL games with the NHL locked out. If not... is there a reason why not... I mean, it isn't like they see them as "competition", they are effectively the leagues AAA & AA system.


Wish I knew... Only thing I've heard is there was a possibility NESN would be showing P-Bruins games if the Lock Out ended up negating the NHL season.

I would love it.
 
2012-11-26 03:52:45 PM  

keylock71: Only thing I've heard is there was a possibility NESN would be showing P-Bruins games if the Lock Out ended up negating the NHL season.

I would love it.


Same here.
That would be awesome!

/I'll be there Sunday
//They're fighting Worcester!
 
2012-11-26 03:54:52 PM  

mjohnson71: Galloping Galoshes: Martonio: There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.

Yeah, and the owners coined money. Are you suggesting that's the way things ought to be? The lifeblood of a multi-billion dollar industry should have to scramble to make a living, and then, what? They spent their whole lives preparing to play pro hockey, and now what do they do? Oh, they should be honored they were allowed to entertain you for a few years, now go sell windows.

They should get what they can while they can. Screw the owners. The NHL has and always has had the most backward ownership of all the major pro sports. Everyone pines for the "original six," well, maybe that's what will survive.

Serious question: is there a group of owners that are using this lockout as a way to "bleed off" other teams they don't want?


Serious answer: No idea. But based on what the NHL is asking from the NHLPA, I would say no.
 
2012-11-26 04:00:06 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: keylock71: Only thing I've heard is there was a possibility NESN would be showing P-Bruins games if the Lock Out ended up negating the NHL season.

I would love it.

Same here.
That would be awesome!

/I'll be there Sunday
//They're fighting Worcester!


Nice... I was at the last game they played Worcester. farking P-Bruins can't hold a lead to save their lives so far this season.

They've got some talent, but they take stupid penalties and give up easy goals.


Enjoy the game!
 
2012-11-26 04:03:17 PM  

Bobo_Spiewack: There is a lot of support for the team here. I mean, they will always be second fiddle to the other pro sport in town, OSU football, but hockey is huge here and if this farking mess causes us to lose a team...


The Cyclones games down in Cincy have been packed.

/Remembers the Stingers....
 
2012-11-26 04:35:49 PM  

Bobo_Spiewack: Dammit.

This really hurts for Columbus. They spent a boatlaod of money they didn't really have expecting the ASG to balance it out.

Not too upset about losing the season, because it was going to be dreadful with the bag of beans that Howson got for Nash, but the All Star Game was going to be a bright spot.

There is a lot of support for the team here. I mean, they will always be second fiddle to the other pro sport in town, OSU football, but hockey is huge here and if this farking mess causes us to lose a team...


Look at it this way, when the draft lottery is redone after a lost season, Columbus will have yet another way to get screwed out of the first pick.
 
2012-11-26 04:44:08 PM  
I want to care, I just don't. My life is full enough.

When the NFL regular season ends and NHL season is canceled, I'm getting rid of DirecTV, no reason for me to have it. My kids watch PBS stuff and my wife watches things we can get on Netflix etc. Gonna save a $180/month easy.
 
2012-11-26 05:23:33 PM  

mjohnson71: dletter: ElwoodCuse: awesome let's shrink the league to 12 teams while we're at it so it can completely disappear from the sports landscape on this continent

And 8 of them in Canada... NY, Boston, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh, Buffalo left in the U.S. (so, at least 14 teams)

You forgot St. Louis. While we've never won a cup, the Blues have always been a top franchise for 40+ years except for the rough stretch after the last lockout and ownership drama.


The Kings aren't going anywhere either. They could have a "Canadians with SAG cards only" game in LA and still sell out the arena.
 
2012-11-26 05:52:10 PM  

DrVoice: JohnnyCanuck: I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.

Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.

For reals. The tsn.ca comment section is nuts. Nary one thought given to the fact that the owners might, _might_, have some responsibility for the lockout. Nope, it's just "You players need to do what you're told by your owners and get back to entertaining me."

And I thought that Canadians were the savvy hockey fans.


From what I have seen TSN moderates their comments so it seems like whoever moderates the comments there are very pro league.
 
2012-11-26 05:53:19 PM  

DrVoice: JohnnyCanuck: I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.

Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.

For reals. The tsn.ca comment section is nuts. Nary one thought given to the fact that the owners might, _might_, have some responsibility for the lockout. Nope, it's just "You players need to do what you're told by your owners and get back to entertaining me."

And I thought that Canadians were the savvy hockey fans.


The TSN comments section is 50% trolls/alts and 50% people who are too scared to play in the HF boards. It is the utter dregs of hockey conversation and in no way should be taken as a thermometer for the general opinion.
 
2012-11-26 06:32:30 PM  

keylock71: farking P-Bruins can't hold a lead to save their lives so far this season.
They've got some talent, but they take stupid penalties and give up easy goals.


True, they have trouble holding a lead but have shown they can come back.
These were the last two I was at:
11/9 vs Alabany - They came from behind to tie it up (1-1) and then win in a shoot-out
11/16 vs Manchster - Blew an early (first 5 min) 2-0 lead but went on to win 3-2, holding the lead throughout the 3rd.

Spooner and Boruque are starting to show promise and I still think Camper has it in him to be a break-out player.
And yeah, as soon as there is any amount of traffic in front of the net, I get nervous..

keylock71: Enjoy the game!


Thank you, sir!
I love going to Worcester & Springfield games.
Very intense match-ups every time.
 
2012-11-26 06:35:02 PM  

dletter: keylock71: Pathetic....

fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.

Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.

Speaking of that... has the NHL Network announced that they would show some AHL and/or ECHL games with the NHL locked out. If not... is there a reason why not... I mean, it isn't like they see them as "competition", they are effectively the leagues AAA & AA system.


I can't believe they're not already televised. I have been having fun watching the Major Junior and NCAA games though.

However, I can't get what one of you (soopey?) said in a previous thread out of my mind.....I frickin' hate the month of February, and no NHL will make it suck worse. Now I'm really perturbed.
 
2012-11-26 06:40:47 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Bobo_Spiewack: There is a lot of support for the team here. I mean, they will always be second fiddle to the other pro sport in town, OSU football, but hockey is huge here and if this farking mess causes us to lose a team...

The Cyclones games down in Cincy have been packed.

/Remembers the Stingers....


I'm old enough to remember the Swords, altho I don't recall going to those games. Stingers games were good.

As for Cbus I'm tired of the NHL and its shiat. Tired enough to drive to Dayton or CInci? Maybe, but probably no. Moving on to other sports things won't be that hard to do.
 
2012-11-26 06:50:12 PM  
Come to think of it, mentioning those old Cinci teams, Rick Dudley would make a nice addition to the Blue Jackets mgmt... at least he knew how to play back in the day. Former Stinger Barry Melrose could be the coach, lol.

Didn't see it mentioned above, Cbus is already angling to get the 2015 ASG. Which would probably depend on the league still existing by then.
 
2012-11-26 07:17:47 PM  

CognaciousThunk: Come to think of it, mentioning those old Cinci teams, Rick Dudley would make a nice addition to the Blue Jackets mgmt... at least he knew how to play back in the day. Former Stinger Barry Melrose could be the coach, lol.

Didn't see it mentioned above, Cbus is already angling to get the 2015 ASG. Which would probably depend on the league still existing by then.


And Columbus still having a team.
 
2012-11-26 09:05:58 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I play men's league with an ex-NHLer who went through the last 2 lockouts. His point to make last night? "It takes about 4 paychecks. That's where they are now. About 4 paychecks missed then guys start sweating and calling up, Just farking sign it. These guys aren't rich."

Lo and behold, how were the players last week? Can't remember the last time I heard so much bickering, complaining and retweeted death threats. People be gettin' cranky.

Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.


Actually, these guys are rich. Thanks to the last CBA, minimum wage is something like half a million per season. Yeah, some guy who plays 4 minutes a night on the fourth line, or the backup goalie who doesn;t hit 20 games are at least making that much. They didn't have that before the last CBA, and I think it swung the votes for the lower tier players. This time, players have much more money to start with.
 
2012-11-26 11:34:16 PM  
http://www4.hockeystreams.com/ref/1891

I'll risk the banhammer to say that the above link is the hockey fan's savior. Remove the /ref/1891 if you object to my tiny kickback. KHL, AHL, QMJHL, OHL, WHL, games rebroadcast in whatever format they happen to be in without regard to blackouts or copyright. Being extralegal, there are occasional shiatty streams you can't get all 'merkin about, but it is mostly awesome.

I'm done with the NHL for this season. I'm locking them out, even if they start the season tomorrow. I'm a hockey fan so I don't need the NHL.
 
2012-11-27 07:11:19 AM  

Primitive Screwhead: True, they have trouble holding a lead but have shown they can come back.
These were the last two I was at:
11/9 vs Alabany - They came from behind to tie it up (1-1) and then win in a shoot-out
11/16 vs Manchster - Blew an early (first 5 min) 2-0 lead but went on to win 3-2, holding the lead throughout the 3rd.

Spooner and Boruque are starting to show promise and I still think Camper has it in him to be a break-out player.
And yeah, as soon as there is any amount of traffic in front of the net, I get nervous..


Agreed... They really need to just start stringing some wins together and the team will gel, I think. Hanson's been another bright spot. Big, powerful kid with a good hockey sense.

Goal-tending is definitely still a weak spot for 'em though.

Love to see them crawl their way out of the basement. One of the things I miss about the Boston Bruins getting good in the last few years was that feeling of rooting for the underdog. Don't get me wrong, the Stanley Cup win is a much better feeling, but...


ytterbium: However, I can't get what one of you (soopey?) said in a previous thread out of my mind.....I frickin' hate the month of February, and no NHL will make it suck worse. Now I'm really perturbed.


Thank goodness for alcohol... : )
 
2012-11-27 09:42:53 AM  

ytterbium: However, I can't get what one of you (soopey?) said in a previous thread out of my mind.....I frickin' hate the month of February, and no NHL will make it suck worse. Now I'm really perturbed.


It was me. Skiing is usually pretty good in February. That's how I muddle through. And knitting while I drink beer.

The mediator is a smoke screen. It's all so the NHL can say they "negotiated in good faith and did everything they could do to end the lockout." The NHL Board of Governors is to meet December 5th. We'll see what happens after that. If enough owners are getting fed up with the process then they may make a move to remove the hardliners from the bus-drivers seat so they cab cut their losses and strike a deal. Or they may just say that the season will be canceled on January 15th if no resolution is reached having lost more than half the season already.
 
2012-11-27 07:00:08 PM  
If the owners didn't like the god damn services contracts they signed their players to
the they SHOULD NOT have offered/signed them in the first damn place.

If you went to work tomorrow and your boss was waiting for you outside the entrance you use and he said "Hey, you aren't allowed to go back to work unless you sign this paper and give up some of that salary and/or benefits we originally agreed to." would you just shrug your shoulders and sign it?? I hope you wouldn't. Especially if after you asked them what kind of concessions they were going to make to you in exchange for giving money back and they told you "None, silly." or just said nothing and instead laughed heartily in your face.

All the morans who blame "the greedy players" and say stupid shiat like "why should the players (who are the product, btw) make all the money?"

The players shouldn't "make all the money" but they aren't asking to make all of the money, just their cut. The PRODUCT the owners are selling and making money off of is a GAME. The product is the damn Players, but for some reason many idiots, including idiots who have been dicked-over by management and ownership of another kind in the past and don't have two quarters to rub tofarkinggether like my dumbass dad, think that the owners are being taken here and that they should get all the money.
 
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