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2012-11-26 01:39:43 PM  

LineNoise: desertgeek: But we've been saying that for what? 4 months now?

And this is why I am growing more and more anti NHLPA. So far the league has shown restraint in cancelling games, making it so a season could get up and running fast if a deal is had.

The talk now of decertification is the union saying they don't give a shiat about the season. It will take 2 months or so just to decertify, let alone the lawsuits that will then come out of it.


When I saw the rumors of decertification last week, I thought "don't do it Fehr because everyone who's backing you now will turn on you if you go there." Bettman might as well announce the cancellation of the season if the union does that.

LineNoise: desertgeek: Fehr and the union gave in on going to a 50/50 split right away

They didn't though with the insistance on the make whole. the split they proposed would only affect new contracts, which total exactly 0 right now.


I think by "new contacts," they meant those signed this year. And that is totally fair because I think it's clear that some of those deals were done by owners who thought that there was no way in Hell they'd pay all of that out.
 
2012-11-26 01:42:19 PM  

DasBeast: Galloping Galoshes:

Go Maryland Arrows! (OK, I'm old, I admit it.)

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Wow.

They came to my middle school to try to raise their profile. That was back when lacrosse was a serious blood sport. Kinda like hockey was at the time. I guess it made an impression.
 
2012-11-26 01:45:45 PM  

dletter: ElwoodCuse: awesome let's shrink the league to 12 teams while we're at it so it can completely disappear from the sports landscape on this continent

And 8 of them in Canada... NY, Boston, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh, Buffalo left in the U.S. (so, at least 14 teams)


You forgot St. Louis. While we've never won a cup, the Blues have always been a top franchise for 40+ years except for the rough stretch after the last lockout and ownership drama.
 
2012-11-26 01:52:39 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.

Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.


Obviously most Canadians haven't hit that point where they just threw their arms up in anger, said "FARK THIS!" to both sides and moved on to other things (See MLB, mid '94-most of '95).
 
2012-11-26 02:02:58 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.

Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.


For reals. The tsn.ca comment section is nuts. Nary one thought given to the fact that the owners might, _might_, have some responsibility for the lockout. Nope, it's just "You players need to do what you're told by your owners and get back to entertaining me."

And I thought that Canadians were the savvy hockey fans.
 
2012-11-26 02:41:35 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: DasBeast: Galloping Galoshes:

Go Maryland Arrows! (OK, I'm old, I admit it.)

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Crunch Crosscheck approves your comment.

Wow.

They came to my middle school to try to raise their profile. That was back when lacrosse was a serious blood sport. Kinda like hockey was at the time. I guess it made an impression.


I have a whole boxload of NLL/MILL/Eagle Pro lacrosse memorabilia. Several programs from the 70's NLL, magazines, banners, etc. I really need to go through that stuff, there's some vintage goodness there.
 
2012-11-26 02:45:04 PM  
The NHL and the NHLPA can get a deal done today and I don't care. I'm done with them.

Never again will I buy any merchandise or go to another game The best they get from me is I'll watch the games on basic cable.

Screw them both. I have better things to do than watch millionaires fight with billionaires.

There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.
 
2012-11-26 02:46:04 PM  

Martonio: The NHL and the NHLPA can get a deal done today and I don't care. I'm done with them.


Bye!
 
2012-11-26 02:46:35 PM  
A pretty good fan site pushing the NLL over NHL argument.
 
2012-11-26 02:59:17 PM  
It's probably good to point out that Comcast/NBC is part owners of the Philadelphia Flyers, and is paying the NHL under the terms of their contract at present for the NBC Sports Network, despite generating no revenue.
 
2012-11-26 03:01:36 PM  

Martonio: There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.


Yeah, and the owners coined money. Are you suggesting that's the way things ought to be? The lifeblood of a multi-billion dollar industry should have to scramble to make a living, and then, what? They spent their whole lives preparing to play pro hockey, and now what do they do? Oh, they should be honored they were allowed to entertain you for a few years, now go sell windows.

They should get what they can while they can. Screw the owners. The NHL has and always has had the most backward ownership of all the major pro sports. Everyone pines for the "original six," well, maybe that's what will survive.
 
2012-11-26 03:04:17 PM  
Pierre LeBrun just tweeted that a federal mediator is now involved in the labor talks.
 
2012-11-26 03:04:47 PM  

Martonio: The NHL and the NHLPA can get a deal done today and I don't care. I'm done with them.

Never again will I buy any merchandise or go to another game The best they get from me is I'll watch the games on basic cable.

Screw them both. I have better things to do than watch millionaires fight with billionaires.

There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.


Yup...and if it were up to the NHL the players would have to do so again.
 
2012-11-26 03:06:35 PM  

DasBeast: A pretty good fan site pushing the NLL over NHL argument.


It is nice, and sad that someone has to do that FOR the NLL.
 
2012-11-26 03:13:03 PM  

desertgeek: Pierre LeBrun just tweeted that a federal mediator is now involved in the labor talks.


I read that as "feral". That'd be more fun.

You get a rabies shot! And you get a rabies shot! And you get a rabies shot!
 
2012-11-26 03:13:20 PM  
Pathetic....

fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.

Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.
 
2012-11-26 03:13:55 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Martonio: There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.

Yeah, and the owners coined money. Are you suggesting that's the way things ought to be? The lifeblood of a multi-billion dollar industry should have to scramble to make a living, and then, what? They spent their whole lives preparing to play pro hockey, and now what do they do? Oh, they should be honored they were allowed to entertain you for a few years, now go sell windows.

They should get what they can while they can. Screw the owners. The NHL has and always has had the most backward ownership of all the major pro sports. Everyone pines for the "original six," well, maybe that's what will survive.


Serious question: is there a group of owners that are using this lockout as a way to "bleed off" other teams they don't want?
 
2012-11-26 03:16:47 PM  
Damn, there goes another hour of We Buy Any Car people dancing around on my TV
 
2012-11-26 03:18:40 PM  

keylock71: Pathetic....

fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.

Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.


Speaking of that... has the NHL Network announced that they would show some AHL and/or ECHL games with the NHL locked out. If not... is there a reason why not... I mean, it isn't like they see them as "competition", they are effectively the leagues AAA & AA system.
 
2012-11-26 03:24:56 PM  
Why do we still get these threads in the first place? Every time I see one it's like getting sack-tapped.
 
2012-11-26 03:38:08 PM  
The Original six? fark em. They're not original, nor are they the founding teams.
 
2012-11-26 03:46:44 PM  

dletter: keylock71: Pathetic....

fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.

Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.

Speaking of that... has the NHL Network announced that they would show some AHL and/or ECHL games with the NHL locked out. If not... is there a reason why not... I mean, it isn't like they see them as "competition", they are effectively the leagues AAA & AA system.


Wish I knew... Only thing I've heard is there was a possibility NESN would be showing P-Bruins games if the Lock Out ended up negating the NHL season.

I would love it.
 
2012-11-26 03:52:45 PM  

keylock71: Only thing I've heard is there was a possibility NESN would be showing P-Bruins games if the Lock Out ended up negating the NHL season.

I would love it.


Same here.
That would be awesome!

/I'll be there Sunday
//They're fighting Worcester!
 
2012-11-26 03:54:52 PM  

mjohnson71: Galloping Galoshes: Martonio: There was a time the players had to get jobs in the off season since their NHL salary didn't adequately support their families.

Yeah, and the owners coined money. Are you suggesting that's the way things ought to be? The lifeblood of a multi-billion dollar industry should have to scramble to make a living, and then, what? They spent their whole lives preparing to play pro hockey, and now what do they do? Oh, they should be honored they were allowed to entertain you for a few years, now go sell windows.

They should get what they can while they can. Screw the owners. The NHL has and always has had the most backward ownership of all the major pro sports. Everyone pines for the "original six," well, maybe that's what will survive.

Serious question: is there a group of owners that are using this lockout as a way to "bleed off" other teams they don't want?


Serious answer: No idea. But based on what the NHL is asking from the NHLPA, I would say no.
 
2012-11-26 04:00:06 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: keylock71: Only thing I've heard is there was a possibility NESN would be showing P-Bruins games if the Lock Out ended up negating the NHL season.

I would love it.

Same here.
That would be awesome!

/I'll be there Sunday
//They're fighting Worcester!


Nice... I was at the last game they played Worcester. farking P-Bruins can't hold a lead to save their lives so far this season.

They've got some talent, but they take stupid penalties and give up easy goals.


Enjoy the game!
 
2012-11-26 04:03:17 PM  

Bobo_Spiewack: There is a lot of support for the team here. I mean, they will always be second fiddle to the other pro sport in town, OSU football, but hockey is huge here and if this farking mess causes us to lose a team...


The Cyclones games down in Cincy have been packed.

/Remembers the Stingers....
 
2012-11-26 04:35:49 PM  

Bobo_Spiewack: Dammit.

This really hurts for Columbus. They spent a boatlaod of money they didn't really have expecting the ASG to balance it out.

Not too upset about losing the season, because it was going to be dreadful with the bag of beans that Howson got for Nash, but the All Star Game was going to be a bright spot.

There is a lot of support for the team here. I mean, they will always be second fiddle to the other pro sport in town, OSU football, but hockey is huge here and if this farking mess causes us to lose a team...


Look at it this way, when the draft lottery is redone after a lost season, Columbus will have yet another way to get screwed out of the first pick.
 
2012-11-26 04:44:08 PM  
I want to care, I just don't. My life is full enough.

When the NFL regular season ends and NHL season is canceled, I'm getting rid of DirecTV, no reason for me to have it. My kids watch PBS stuff and my wife watches things we can get on Netflix etc. Gonna save a $180/month easy.
 
2012-11-26 05:23:33 PM  

mjohnson71: dletter: ElwoodCuse: awesome let's shrink the league to 12 teams while we're at it so it can completely disappear from the sports landscape on this continent

And 8 of them in Canada... NY, Boston, Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh, Buffalo left in the U.S. (so, at least 14 teams)

You forgot St. Louis. While we've never won a cup, the Blues have always been a top franchise for 40+ years except for the rough stretch after the last lockout and ownership drama.


The Kings aren't going anywhere either. They could have a "Canadians with SAG cards only" game in LA and still sell out the arena.
 
2012-11-26 05:52:10 PM  

DrVoice: JohnnyCanuck: I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.

Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.

For reals. The tsn.ca comment section is nuts. Nary one thought given to the fact that the owners might, _might_, have some responsibility for the lockout. Nope, it's just "You players need to do what you're told by your owners and get back to entertaining me."

And I thought that Canadians were the savvy hockey fans.


From what I have seen TSN moderates their comments so it seems like whoever moderates the comments there are very pro league.
 
2012-11-26 05:53:19 PM  

DrVoice: JohnnyCanuck: I can't believe i'm saying this, but I am very happy to see there are actually people posting on Fark who seem to have educated themselves on what is happening. Go to some of the Canadian sites and it is full of derp. Seriously...check out the comment section on tsn.ca articles about the lockout. It's ridiculous.

Fark you Bettman! You and a handful of owners have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. I'm not a Fehr fan either...but the only reason he is where he is right now is because Bettman has shown to be such a douchebag the past 20 years and the PA needed someone to fight back.

For reals. The tsn.ca comment section is nuts. Nary one thought given to the fact that the owners might, _might_, have some responsibility for the lockout. Nope, it's just "You players need to do what you're told by your owners and get back to entertaining me."

And I thought that Canadians were the savvy hockey fans.


The TSN comments section is 50% trolls/alts and 50% people who are too scared to play in the HF boards. It is the utter dregs of hockey conversation and in no way should be taken as a thermometer for the general opinion.
 
2012-11-26 06:32:30 PM  

keylock71: farking P-Bruins can't hold a lead to save their lives so far this season.
They've got some talent, but they take stupid penalties and give up easy goals.


True, they have trouble holding a lead but have shown they can come back.
These were the last two I was at:
11/9 vs Alabany - They came from behind to tie it up (1-1) and then win in a shoot-out
11/16 vs Manchster - Blew an early (first 5 min) 2-0 lead but went on to win 3-2, holding the lead throughout the 3rd.

Spooner and Boruque are starting to show promise and I still think Camper has it in him to be a break-out player.
And yeah, as soon as there is any amount of traffic in front of the net, I get nervous..

keylock71: Enjoy the game!


Thank you, sir!
I love going to Worcester & Springfield games.
Very intense match-ups every time.
 
2012-11-26 06:35:02 PM  

dletter: keylock71: Pathetic....

fark you, Jeremy Jacobs, indeed.

Can still go to AHL games, at least. Though I won't be buying any beer or food as Jacobs also owns all the concessions at the Dunk, as well, I believe.

Speaking of that... has the NHL Network announced that they would show some AHL and/or ECHL games with the NHL locked out. If not... is there a reason why not... I mean, it isn't like they see them as "competition", they are effectively the leagues AAA & AA system.


I can't believe they're not already televised. I have been having fun watching the Major Junior and NCAA games though.

However, I can't get what one of you (soopey?) said in a previous thread out of my mind.....I frickin' hate the month of February, and no NHL will make it suck worse. Now I'm really perturbed.
 
2012-11-26 06:40:47 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Bobo_Spiewack: There is a lot of support for the team here. I mean, they will always be second fiddle to the other pro sport in town, OSU football, but hockey is huge here and if this farking mess causes us to lose a team...

The Cyclones games down in Cincy have been packed.

/Remembers the Stingers....


I'm old enough to remember the Swords, altho I don't recall going to those games. Stingers games were good.

As for Cbus I'm tired of the NHL and its shiat. Tired enough to drive to Dayton or CInci? Maybe, but probably no. Moving on to other sports things won't be that hard to do.
 
2012-11-26 06:50:12 PM  
Come to think of it, mentioning those old Cinci teams, Rick Dudley would make a nice addition to the Blue Jackets mgmt... at least he knew how to play back in the day. Former Stinger Barry Melrose could be the coach, lol.

Didn't see it mentioned above, Cbus is already angling to get the 2015 ASG. Which would probably depend on the league still existing by then.
 
2012-11-26 07:17:47 PM  

CognaciousThunk: Come to think of it, mentioning those old Cinci teams, Rick Dudley would make a nice addition to the Blue Jackets mgmt... at least he knew how to play back in the day. Former Stinger Barry Melrose could be the coach, lol.

Didn't see it mentioned above, Cbus is already angling to get the 2015 ASG. Which would probably depend on the league still existing by then.


And Columbus still having a team.
 
2012-11-26 09:05:58 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I play men's league with an ex-NHLer who went through the last 2 lockouts. His point to make last night? "It takes about 4 paychecks. That's where they are now. About 4 paychecks missed then guys start sweating and calling up, Just farking sign it. These guys aren't rich."

Lo and behold, how were the players last week? Can't remember the last time I heard so much bickering, complaining and retweeted death threats. People be gettin' cranky.

Either way they have only a week or so to make things happen. But I can bet you a lot of guys aren't happy with Fehr's drag-your-feet approach. Piss on both these parties for putting us in the middle of the posturing game.


Actually, these guys are rich. Thanks to the last CBA, minimum wage is something like half a million per season. Yeah, some guy who plays 4 minutes a night on the fourth line, or the backup goalie who doesn;t hit 20 games are at least making that much. They didn't have that before the last CBA, and I think it swung the votes for the lower tier players. This time, players have much more money to start with.
 
2012-11-26 11:34:16 PM  
http://www4.hockeystreams.com/ref/1891

I'll risk the banhammer to say that the above link is the hockey fan's savior. Remove the /ref/1891 if you object to my tiny kickback. KHL, AHL, QMJHL, OHL, WHL, games rebroadcast in whatever format they happen to be in without regard to blackouts or copyright. Being extralegal, there are occasional shiatty streams you can't get all 'merkin about, but it is mostly awesome.

I'm done with the NHL for this season. I'm locking them out, even if they start the season tomorrow. I'm a hockey fan so I don't need the NHL.
 
2012-11-27 07:11:19 AM  

Primitive Screwhead: True, they have trouble holding a lead but have shown they can come back.
These were the last two I was at:
11/9 vs Alabany - They came from behind to tie it up (1-1) and then win in a shoot-out
11/16 vs Manchster - Blew an early (first 5 min) 2-0 lead but went on to win 3-2, holding the lead throughout the 3rd.

Spooner and Boruque are starting to show promise and I still think Camper has it in him to be a break-out player.
And yeah, as soon as there is any amount of traffic in front of the net, I get nervous..


Agreed... They really need to just start stringing some wins together and the team will gel, I think. Hanson's been another bright spot. Big, powerful kid with a good hockey sense.

Goal-tending is definitely still a weak spot for 'em though.

Love to see them crawl their way out of the basement. One of the things I miss about the Boston Bruins getting good in the last few years was that feeling of rooting for the underdog. Don't get me wrong, the Stanley Cup win is a much better feeling, but...


ytterbium: However, I can't get what one of you (soopey?) said in a previous thread out of my mind.....I frickin' hate the month of February, and no NHL will make it suck worse. Now I'm really perturbed.


Thank goodness for alcohol... : )
 
2012-11-27 09:42:53 AM  

ytterbium: However, I can't get what one of you (soopey?) said in a previous thread out of my mind.....I frickin' hate the month of February, and no NHL will make it suck worse. Now I'm really perturbed.


It was me. Skiing is usually pretty good in February. That's how I muddle through. And knitting while I drink beer.

The mediator is a smoke screen. It's all so the NHL can say they "negotiated in good faith and did everything they could do to end the lockout." The NHL Board of Governors is to meet December 5th. We'll see what happens after that. If enough owners are getting fed up with the process then they may make a move to remove the hardliners from the bus-drivers seat so they cab cut their losses and strike a deal. Or they may just say that the season will be canceled on January 15th if no resolution is reached having lost more than half the season already.
 
2012-11-27 07:00:08 PM  
If the owners didn't like the god damn services contracts they signed their players to
the they SHOULD NOT have offered/signed them in the first damn place.

If you went to work tomorrow and your boss was waiting for you outside the entrance you use and he said "Hey, you aren't allowed to go back to work unless you sign this paper and give up some of that salary and/or benefits we originally agreed to." would you just shrug your shoulders and sign it?? I hope you wouldn't. Especially if after you asked them what kind of concessions they were going to make to you in exchange for giving money back and they told you "None, silly." or just said nothing and instead laughed heartily in your face.

All the morans who blame "the greedy players" and say stupid shiat like "why should the players (who are the product, btw) make all the money?"

The players shouldn't "make all the money" but they aren't asking to make all of the money, just their cut. The PRODUCT the owners are selling and making money off of is a GAME. The product is the damn Players, but for some reason many idiots, including idiots who have been dicked-over by management and ownership of another kind in the past and don't have two quarters to rub tofarkinggether like my dumbass dad, think that the owners are being taken here and that they should get all the money.
 
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