randomjsa: And from the "If this were a Republican..." file.It would be called asinine to exclude "important" groups in the discussion.
coeyagi: I honestly don't know what else they can do but be obstructionists. They are so used to it and we are so used to it now that it seems like the only play in the GOP playbook. No one on their side is showing any hint (other than Chambliss, and he'll be put back in line in a back door meeting) of relenting on the derp or backing down from obstructing sensible legilsation.The talking point now is they didn't have a conservative enough candidate, so we have to wait until 2016 to see if they field a fundie derper like Santorum or back down and go safe with someone like Christie. The GOP, and the country, needs them to lose in 2014 and lose in 2016 with a fundie to prove that they need moderation and non-obstructionism. If they lose 3 elections in a row with different strategies, the only thing they have to fall back on is the one thing they haven't done yet - be non-assholes.
tenpoundsofcheese: They understand business far more than 0bama does.Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.
coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.
"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.
Jim_Callahan: Weaver95:3. be as neutral as possible.Wouldn't that make you a really shiatty lobbyist? One would kinda hope you'd be unequivocally in favor of, y'know, whatever you're lobbying for.//Maybe he meant nonpartisan? Lobbyists do tend to prefer buying folks on both sides of the aisle when they can. Not sure where the CoC lost track of that one.
tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.
Parthenogenetic: McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, "Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job."NJ: What's the job?McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
SineSwiper: The USCoC used to be pretty neutral and, while they might have been naturally right-leaning (being pro-business), they were like pre-Murdock WSJ. Hell, with a name like that, many people thought that it was an official branch of the government. That changed since at least the ACA debate and all of the pro-GOP commercials. Now, most people that matter know that they are simply an arm of the GOP.It's a shame that the NRA doubled down on the derp with their endorsement, too. Especially considering that it was compatible to be members of both the ACLU and NRA. There's plenty of pro-gun Democrats that they alienated with that decision.
Weaver95: Dad was a lobbyist for over 20 years and he said there were a couple rules he considered critical to the job:1. watch your back.2. keep your name outta the papers. you end up being visible to the public, then you failed as a lobbyist.3. be as neutral as possible.4. trust no one, not even yourself.he also said you should be as honest as you could manage, and never get caught in a lie. you get caught double dealing or in a lie, people remember that and it'll come back to get you later. Anywho, looks like the US Chamber forgot rule #3 and is now paying the price for the arrogance. can't say I feel sorry for 'em since they really did go all in against Obama and were pretty obvious about it. you risk everything in a wild bet like that then you can't be really surprised when it doesn't work out and you end up falling flat.
Muta: I just looked at the US Constitution and I see no mention of the Chamber of Commerce as being a branch of the government. Why would they expect a 'seat at the table' when drafting the legislation?
qorkfiend: I've heard that the new crop of Republicans who are putting tax hikes on the table are asking for cuts to Social Security and Medicare in return.
Smackledorfer: Is there something I don't know about the Keystone XL, which allows canadian oil to pipe down to the gulf of mexico for shipping OUT of the US and around the globe, such that it would be a significant solution to our deficit?
Weaver95: miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?well, I think the GOP got rocked back on it's pins pretty badly by Romney's loss. look, all the GOP data said Romney was gonna win in a landslide. the rank and file really believed that Obama was done. the election was merely a formality. they already planned the victory celebration. But then Romney lost, and not only lost but Obama won in a landslide. the GOP couldn't even pretend to claim that Obama doesn't have a mandate. then a whole bunch of issues turned against the GOP ideology (more states legalized pot and gay marriage) and several key races ended in Democratic victories. Allen West even lost to a moderate Democrat.so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.
miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?
coeyagi: Headso: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.If you repeat republican talkingpoints/propaganda like they are actually true you should be fired from your job. It shows that you don't have a firm grasp on reality and someone that out of touch is a danger when making decisions.Why? It's not like the guy is a non-partisan think tanker. He's a lobbyist. He wants businesses to send him money rather than spend money on healthcare on their employees. If the business owner is too stupid to realize this, then he's f*cked (as well as the rest of us)."Obummer Fartbonghit is gonna rape yo jobs!" -USCC"Take my money! I don't want to be raped!" -Business Owner
WorldCitizen: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.
Headso: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.If you repeat republican talkingpoints/propaganda like they are actually true you should be fired from your job. It shows that you don't have a firm grasp on reality and someone that out of touch is a danger when making decisions.
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