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2012-11-26 09:12:34 AM  
And apparently they learned nothing as the derp is still strong with them.

FTFA: The chamber's place on the sidelines as of now shows Obama is "still in campaign mode," Jade West, senior vice president of government relations for the National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors, said in an interview. She said she views the chamber's spending against Democrats as "a chicken- and-egg situation."

"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"


He's still in campaign mode! (and so are we with our derptasticness).
 
2012-11-26 09:26:49 AM  
He didn't criticize business, he criticized your lobby. Why in the world woudl he work with you after that, when you still are massively against him?
 
2012-11-26 09:27:52 AM  
"We have not been contacted by the White House," Thomas J. Donohue, president of the chamber, told reporters at a press conference Nov. 13. "


Oh, you'll be contacted. Just don't be surprised when you hear Nelson Muntz on the other end of the line.
 
2012-11-26 09:28:44 AM  
My cousin-in-law used to work in a director level position of the US CofC... as a liberal.

He took many showers each day.

//csb
 
2012-11-26 09:30:20 AM  
"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.

If you repeat republican talkingpoints/propaganda like they are actually true you should be fired from your job. It shows that you don't have a firm grasp on reality and someone that out of touch is a danger when making decisions.
 
2012-11-26 09:31:44 AM  
Dad was a lobbyist for over 20 years and he said there were a couple rules he considered critical to the job:

1. watch your back.
2. keep your name outta the papers. you end up being visible to the public, then you failed as a lobbyist.
3. be as neutral as possible.
4. trust no one, not even yourself.

he also said you should be as honest as you could manage, and never get caught in a lie. you get caught double dealing or in a lie, people remember that and it'll come back to get you later. Anywho, looks like the US Chamber forgot rule #3 and is now paying the price for the arrogance. can't say I feel sorry for 'em since they really did go all in against Obama and were pretty obvious about it. you risk everything in a wild bet like that then you can't be really surprised when it doesn't work out and you end up falling flat.
 
2012-11-26 09:32:00 AM  

UberDave: "We have not been contacted by the White House," Thomas J. Donohue, president of the chamber, told reporters at a press conference Nov. 13. "


Oh, you'll be contacted. Just don't be surprised when you hear Nelson Muntz on the other end of the line.


Please hold for the President

unrealitytv.com

 
2012-11-26 09:32:41 AM  
It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.
 
2012-11-26 09:33:05 AM  

Headso: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.

If you repeat republican talkingpoints/propaganda like they are actually true you should be fired from your job. It shows that you don't have a firm grasp on reality and someone that out of touch is a danger when making decisions.


Why? It's not like the guy is a non-partisan think tanker. He's a lobbyist. He wants businesses to send him money rather than spend money on healthcare on their employees. If the business owner is too stupid to realize this, then he's f*cked (as well as the rest of us).

"Obummer Fartbonghit is gonna rape yo jobs!" -USCC

"Take my money! I don't want to be raped!" -Business Owner
 
2012-11-26 09:34:49 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


Awwww. That's so cute. You think you have a grown-up opinion!
 
2012-11-26 09:36:27 AM  

Weaver95:
3. be as neutral as possible.


Wouldn't that make you a really shiatty lobbyist? One would kinda hope you'd be unequivocally in favor of, y'know, whatever you're lobbying for.

//Maybe he meant nonpartisan? Lobbyists do tend to prefer buying folks on both sides of the aisle when they can. Not sure where the CoC lost track of that one.
 
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2012-11-26 09:36:54 AM  

WorldCitizen: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.


yeah... i'm pretty sure that wasn't an actual thing.

if you are gonna be herping and derping i can see why the president might not take you seriously. not particularly shocking in all honesty.
 
2012-11-26 09:37:08 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


the US Chamber of Commerce was rabidly opposed to Obama. they didn't even pretend they were willing to talk compromise...then they worked hard as they could to get Republicans elected. What makes you think they have ANYTHING to offer Obama...? I am genuinely curious about your answer to this question.
 
2012-11-26 09:37:16 AM  
Is this the same U.S. Chamber of Commerce that is actually run by billionaires in the Middle East?
 
2012-11-26 09:37:17 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


awwww, that's cute. You kids these days with your attempts at trolling. How adorable. You should go pull your head out of your ass and look some things up before you come back, but have fun! We won't keep your seat warm!
 
2012-11-26 09:39:46 AM  
Yeah, the USCoC Didn't even have a rational argument, they just repeated overblown Republican talking points. They argued against any and all sensible regulation, and have been pushing an extreme supply-side position this whole time. How can Obama even work with that? They're not even arguing for businesses anymore, they're just stumping for corporate CEO's and executive pay.
 
2012-11-26 09:40:13 AM  
USCoC: I'm sort of a big deal. I have many leather bound books and my chamber smells of rich mahogany.
 
2012-11-26 09:40:16 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


You've got that backwards, actually.

"We got 98% of what we wanted." But no deal.
 
2012-11-26 09:40:28 AM  
Donohue, who has led the chamber since 1997 and who tax filings show is compensated with about $5 million annually, showed defiance when asked by reporters how he would make his fiscal-cliff message heard if the administration doesn't listen.

"We have enough assets here, enough voice here, enough resources here that we can take care of ourselves," he said.


This gentleman sounds nervous. Hard to justify that kind of payout with the results he just got and a 25% dip in donations.
 
2012-11-26 09:40:29 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Weaver95:
3. be as neutral as possible.

Wouldn't that make you a really shiatty lobbyist? One would kinda hope you'd be unequivocally in favor of, y'know, whatever you're lobbying for.

//Maybe he meant nonpartisan? Lobbyists do tend to prefer buying folks on both sides of the aisle when they can. Not sure where the CoC lost track of that one.


no, Dad meant you had to be neutral. non-partisan has a specific meaning among Republicans (i.e. STFU and do what we want) and made Democrats kinda skittish. he was a VERY big fan of being able to work both sides of the aisle and speak with Republicans AND Democrats in order to reach a consensus.
 
2012-11-26 09:41:10 AM  
I didn't know much about the chamber when I applied ofr a job with them. They gathered all the local candidates in a room and proceeded to ramble on every right-wing conspiracy theory they think off.

One step up from the john birch society.

fark um
 
2012-11-26 09:41:19 AM  
They should rename it The US Echo Chamber of Republican Talking Points
 
2012-11-26 09:44:33 AM  
www.myfacewhen.net

Plutocrats shocked to find that actions have consequences.
 
2012-11-26 09:45:57 AM  
And from the "If this were a Republican..." file.

It would be called asinine to exclude "important" groups in the discussion.
 
2012-11-26 09:46:41 AM  

coeyagi: Headso: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.

If you repeat republican talkingpoints/propaganda like they are actually true you should be fired from your job. It shows that you don't have a firm grasp on reality and someone that out of touch is a danger when making decisions.

Why? It's not like the guy is a non-partisan think tanker. He's a lobbyist. He wants businesses to send him money rather than spend money on healthcare on their employees. If the business owner is too stupid to realize this, then he's f*cked (as well as the rest of us).

"Obummer Fartbonghit is gonna rape yo jobs!" -USCC

"Take my money! I don't want to be raped!" -Business Owner


The exact reason why is playing out in this story. These people operated like WND and Merkin Stinker are real and now they are shut out of the deal making process, the companies they represent now don't have the access they tried to purchase. If they operated using the real news and polls they wouldn't have been counting on a Romney landslide that would have them sitting pretty right now and they would have tempered their rhetoric and spending.
 
2012-11-26 09:47:25 AM  
The same COC that actively helps businesses ship jobs overseas?
 
2012-11-26 09:50:23 AM  
So, what happens? Israel is still your boss.
 
2012-11-26 09:51:34 AM  

randomjsa: And from the "If this were a Republican..." file.

It would be called asinine to exclude "important" groups in the discussion.


I think Obama has this one right - you have to acknowledge Republican beliefs, but you don't have to respect them. I accept that the GOP believes Obama is the anti-christ, but I don't respect their belief because it's f*cking stupid.
 
2012-11-26 09:54:18 AM  
"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.


Oh, if only that were true. Republicans are cravenly pro-business and Democrats are guiltily pro-business. Were they not bought off or ideologically blinkered, they'd be pro-market which is markedly distinct from the crony capitalism we now practice.
 
2012-11-26 09:54:43 AM  
"We have absolute access to what happens in the Congress," Donohue said.

And that's one of the problems, asshole.
 
2012-11-26 09:55:12 AM  

Weaver95: no, Dad meant you had to be neutral. non-partisan has a specific meaning among Republicans (i.e. STFU and do what we want) and made Democrats kinda skittish. he was a VERY big fan of being able to work both sides of the aisle and speak with Republicans AND Democrats in order to reach a consensus.


I'm pretty sure that "nonpartisan" means "do whatever Republicans want" do Democrats too.
 
2012-11-26 09:55:33 AM  
The Chamber of Commerce can go f*ck themselves.
 
2012-11-26 09:57:01 AM  
Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.
 
2012-11-26 09:57:15 AM  
When you go all out against a candidate like this, isn't that an implicit admission that you don't connect with their policy direction in any sense? So why should they be the least bit surprised that Obama isn't anxious to call on them to participate in policy talks, if they're so clearly 180 degrees apart?
 
2012-11-26 09:57:36 AM  
When an association is a business group banding together it's just doing what is good for their members and lovers of capitalism. When an association is workers banding together for the good of the group, OMG!!! COMMIE PINKO UNIONS!
 
2012-11-26 09:58:42 AM  

randomjsa: It would be called asinine to exclude "important" groups in the discussion.


You're a liar. The article clearly states that business interests are represented at the White House in this discussion and that many of the Chamber's client are represented because they simply switched allegiances to those groups that didn't take a 100% hostile approach to the sitting president.

But, okay, let's talk about republicans and their approach to fixing our current budgetary problems if you want. Specifically, let's talk about all those republicans that excluded one of only two options for fixing those problems solely because they signed some chubby guy's "pledge".
 
2012-11-26 10:00:02 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: When an association is a business group banding together it's just doing what is good for their members and lovers of capitalism. When an association is workers banding together for the good of the group, OMG!!! COMMIE PINKO UNIONS!


Collectivism for the rich - Capitalism.

Collectivism for poor laborers - Communism.

-----------

Next on Geraldo - why does my nose look like I stole it from Mr. Potatohead?
 
2012-11-26 10:01:17 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: randomjsa: It would be called asinine to exclude "important" groups in the discussion.

You're a liar. The article clearly states that business interests are represented at the White House in this discussion and that many of the Chamber's client are represented because they simply switched allegiances to those groups that didn't take a 100% hostile approach to the sitting president.

But, okay, let's talk about republicans and their approach to fixing our current budgetary problems if you want. Specifically, let's talk about all those republicans that excluded one of only two options for fixing those problems solely because they signed some chubby guy's "pledge".


There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.
 
2012-11-26 10:03:57 AM  

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"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"

 
2012-11-26 10:06:55 AM  

coeyagi:

There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.


oh I'm sure randomjsa watches these threads VERY closely...he's either unable or unwilling to defend his statements. which, when you think about it, is a subtle commentary on the Republican style of governance. show up, drop a talking point or three, then run away when people take your philosophy apart. then maybe claim victory a few days later.
 
2012-11-26 10:07:50 AM  

coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.


The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?
 
2012-11-26 10:11:20 AM  
"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"

1. No he didn't.
2. Even if he did, "criticizing" does not equal "holding in contempt".
 
2012-11-26 10:11:26 AM  

miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.

The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?


Yet potatopoundsofcheese and rondomjsa are still here. They must be doing it pro boner.
 
2012-11-26 10:15:53 AM  

WorldCitizen: And apparently they learned nothing as the derp is still strong with them.

FTFA: The chamber's place on the sidelines as of now shows Obama is "still in campaign mode," Jade West, senior vice president of government relations for the National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors, said in an interview. She said she views the chamber's spending against Democrats as "a chicken- and-egg situation."

"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"

He's still in campaign mode! (and so are we with our derptasticness).


Yes I remember how critical of business he was when he bailed out the financial sector, the auto industry, allowed Dodd-Frank to get watered down, oversaw a giant leap in the stock market and raised no one's taxes. But he said they had to pay their fair share and play by the same rules a lot in stump speeches, so obviously he hates capitalism.
 
2012-11-26 10:17:05 AM  

Jackson Herring: Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.


Christ, I have NO idea what all this even means. . . .
 
2012-11-26 10:19:00 AM  

miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.

The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?


well, I think the GOP got rocked back on it's pins pretty badly by Romney's loss. look, all the GOP data said Romney was gonna win in a landslide. the rank and file really believed that Obama was done. the election was merely a formality. they already planned the victory celebration. But then Romney lost, and not only lost but Obama won in a landslide. the GOP couldn't even pretend to claim that Obama doesn't have a mandate. then a whole bunch of issues turned against the GOP ideology (more states legalized pot and gay marriage) and several key races ended in Democratic victories. Allen West even lost to a moderate Democrat.

so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.
 
2012-11-26 10:20:33 AM  
While the chamber promotes its own plan for reducing the U.S. budget deficit, including increased domestic energy production and building the Keystone XL pipeline,

Is there something I don't know about the Keystone XL, which allows canadian oil to pipe down to the gulf of mexico for shipping OUT of the US and around the globe, such that it would be a significant solution to our deficit?

Good for refineries I suppose, but likely will result in our own domestic oil prices going up if I understand correctly.


If I am correct, shouldn't every half-decent attempt at journalism be pointing that out instead of giving the talking point a pass? This isn't global-warming level science, this isn't the mysteries of a million-variable macro-economic prediction. This is one item with what should be a predictable outcome.


Domestic energy production through fracking I can see being something a business association should love. At least fracking results in a very direct reduction in energy costs relative to other countries and thus stems outsourcing if not potentially bringing some manufacturing back and creating a minor boom. But keystone? I'm not even against it so much as I am against all the bullshiat rhetoric. Build it or don't, that's fine, but let's not pretend its a solution to a problem.
 
2012-11-26 10:21:43 AM  

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

the US Chamber of Commerce was rabidly opposed to Obama. they didn't even pretend they were willing to talk compromise...then they worked hard as they could to get Republicans elected. What makes you think they have ANYTHING to offer Obama...? I am genuinely curious about your answer to this question.


They understand business far more than 0bama does.

Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.
 
2012-11-26 10:25:16 AM  

Weaver95: miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.

The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?

well, I think the GOP got rocked back on it's pins pretty badly by Romney's loss. look, all the GOP data said Romney was gonna win in a landslide. the rank and file really believed that Obama was done. the election was merely a formality. they already planned the victory celebration. But then Romney lost, and not only lost but Obama won in a landslide. the GOP couldn't even pretend to claim that Obama doesn't have a mandate. then a whole bunch of issues turned against the GOP ideology (more states legalized pot and gay marriage) and several key races ended in Democratic victories. Allen West even lost to a moderate Democrat.

so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.


I honestly don't know what else they can do but be obstructionists. They are so used to it and we are so used to it now that it seems like the only play in the GOP playbook. No one on their side is showing any hint (other than Chambliss, and he'll be put back in line in a back door meeting) of relenting on the derp or backing down from obstructing sensible legilsation.

The talking point now is they didn't have a conservative enough candidate, so we have to wait until 2016 to see if they field a fundie derper like Santorum or back down and go safe with someone like Christie. The GOP, and the country, needs them to lose in 2014 and lose in 2016 with a fundie to prove that they need moderation and non-obstructionism. If they lose 3 elections in a row with different strategies, the only thing they have to fall back on is the one thing they haven't done yet - be non-assholes.
 
2012-11-26 10:25:39 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


I don't know why I'm responding to tenpondsofcheese, but I have to know. Let's assume that they don't realize that within the next four years. What do you do then?
 
2012-11-26 10:25:48 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

They understand business far more than 0bama does.

Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


But the US Chamber isn't in it for 'the country', they're in it for their elite membership...and that membership has a VERY strong bias against Obama. the Chamber made it VERY clear that they do not like Obama, and that they were going to work against him at every opportunity. they even put their money down against Obama and made sure everyone knew that they were NOT backing Obama in any manner.

why should Obama reach out to them? what could the Chamber POSSIBLY offer Obama to make it worth his time to speak with them?
 
2012-11-26 10:27:29 AM  

Smackledorfer: Is there something I don't know about the Keystone XL, which allows canadian oil to pipe down to the gulf of mexico for shipping OUT of the US and around the globe, such that it would be a significant solution to our deficit?


Not really. Where you're getting confused is in thinking that the USCOC gives a shiat about American business or workers. They exist solely as the lobbying arm for a couple of large multinationals. Oh, and Keystone is supposed to create 11 million jobs or some such bullshiat.
 
2012-11-26 10:29:22 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

the US Chamber of Commerce was rabidly opposed to Obama. they didn't even pretend they were willing to talk compromise...then they worked hard as they could to get Republicans elected. What makes you think they have ANYTHING to offer Obama...? I am genuinely curious about your answer to this question.

They understand business far more than 0bama does.

Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


Says the guy who thinks the chamber of commerce exists to offer solutions for the country.
 
2012-11-26 10:30:30 AM  
US corporations have struggled mighty during the Obama years...

research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-11-26 10:32:36 AM  

coeyagi: I honestly don't know what else they can do but be obstructionists. They are so used to it and we are so used to it now that it seems like the only play in the GOP playbook. No one on their side is showing any hint (other than Chambliss, and he'll be put back in line in a back door meeting) of relenting on the derp or backing down from obstructing sensible legilsation.


I've heard that the new crop of Republicans who are putting tax hikes on the table are asking for cuts to Social Security and Medicare in return.
 
2012-11-26 10:33:50 AM  
The same Chamber of Commerce that tried to tell us "Outsourcing internationally is Patriotic". Oh yeah, that one. Back to the kids table you go.
 
2012-11-26 10:37:53 AM  
FTA

"We have not been contacted by the White House," Thomas J. Donohue, president of the chamber, told reporters at a press conference Nov. 13.

"We have absolute access to what happens in the Congress," Donohue said.

One of these statements should lead you to a different conclusion about the other.
 
2012-11-26 10:38:20 AM  

coeyagi: I honestly don't know what else they can do but be obstructionists. They are so used to it and we are so used to it now that it seems like the only play in the GOP playbook. No one on their side is showing any hint (other than Chambliss, and he'll be put back in line in a back door meeting) of relenting on the derp or backing down from obstructing sensible legilsation.

The talking point now is they didn't have a conservative enough candidate, so we have to wait until 2016 to see if they field a fundie derper like Santorum or back down and go safe with someone like Christie. The GOP, and the country, needs them to lose in 2014 and lose in 2016 with a fundie to prove that they need moderation and non-obstructionism. If they lose 3 elections in a row with different strategies, the only thing they have to fall back on is the one thing they haven't done yet - be non-assholes.


I don't know that i've got any answers for you. the GOP seems to be still mostly in shock about their losses. I see fear, anger and denial from the Republicans but nothing coherent in terms of policy positions. falling back on their core mantra (tax cuts for the rich, god is on our side etc etc) is a temporary fall back position at best and it won't last. I think the GOP inner circle is flat out amazed they were so wrong about Romney. ALL their spreadsheets and computer projections PROVED that Romney was the winner. he had already won...so they planned on that happening and didn't even consider what to do if/when they lost. I really do get the feeling the Republicans have no idea what to do right now.
 
2012-11-26 10:39:21 AM  

qorkfiend: I've heard that the new crop of Republicans who are putting tax hikes on the table are asking for cuts to Social Security and Medicare in return.


I'd rather see a retooling of Medicare, such as a rewriting of Part D so that it isn't such a gift to the pharmaceutical industry.
 
2012-11-26 10:40:09 AM  
I just looked at the US Constitution and I see no mention of the Chamber of Commerce as being a branch of the government. Why would they expect a 'seat at the table' when drafting the legislation?
 
2012-11-26 10:42:17 AM  
Got to love it when Conservative dumbasses piss Fifty Million USD down a farking rat hole. I mean, bwahahahahahahahaha.

shiat, guys. Maybe it would have been cheaper to STFU and pay your taxes? You know, just like you're actually supposed to do.
 
2012-11-26 10:42:54 AM  

Muta: I just looked at the US Constitution and I see no mention of the Chamber of Commerce as being a branch of the government. Why would they expect a 'seat at the table' when drafting the legislation?


i'm still trying to figure out how someone could possibly get the idea that the US Chamber of Commerce was AT ALL interested in the 'good of the nation'. they're a lobbyist organization, paid to represent the specific interests of their membership. they don't care about 'the nation', they care about what they're paid to care about...nothing more, nothing less.
 
2012-11-26 10:44:30 AM  
And nothing of value was offered or lost.
 
2012-11-26 10:46:24 AM  

Smackledorfer: While the chamber promotes its own plan for reducing the U.S. budget deficit, including increased domestic energy production and building the Keystone XL pipeline,

Is there something I don't know about the Keystone XL, which allows canadian oil to pipe down to the gulf of mexico for shipping OUT of the US and around the globe, such that it would be a significant solution to our deficit?


Didn't you watch the Republican primaries? Building the pipeline will instantly create 100 1,000 10,000 100,000 1,000,000 10,000,000 permanent, high-paying jobs!
 
2012-11-26 10:47:06 AM  
The US Chamber of Commerce puts a huge JOBS banner up is rich.
If the USCoC want more jobs then shouldn't they be putting pressure on their membership?
 
2012-11-26 10:47:44 AM  
So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?
 
2012-11-26 10:49:07 AM  

Pichu0102: So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?


It's a lobbying group with an official sounding name.
 
2012-11-26 10:50:59 AM  

Weaver95: Dad was a lobbyist for over 20 years and he said there were a couple rules he considered critical to the job:

1. watch your back.
2. keep your name outta the papers. you end up being visible to the public, then you failed as a lobbyist.
3. be as neutral as possible.
4. trust no one, not even yourself.

he also said you should be as honest as you could manage, and never get caught in a lie. you get caught double dealing or in a lie, people remember that and it'll come back to get you later. Anywho, looks like the US Chamber forgot rule #3 and is now paying the price for the arrogance. can't say I feel sorry for 'em since they really did go all in against Obama and were pretty obvious about it. you risk everything in a wild bet like that then you can't be really surprised when it doesn't work out and you end up falling flat.


Keep in mind, the US Chamber isn't a real business association. It's a Koch brother's mouthpiece.
 
2012-11-26 10:52:27 AM  

Muta: The US Chamber of Commerce puts a huge JOBS banner up is rich.
If the USCoC want more jobs then shouldn't they be putting pressure on their membership?


Someone 'shoop a "JERBS" set of flags.

// and maybe a Potato Head with a "dey took 'em" picket sign
// and lasers
 
2012-11-26 10:52:46 AM  

max_pooper: Pichu0102: So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?

It's a lobbying group with an official sounding name.


So why is making a group named that allowed again? They certainly don't represent the United States, which could cause major confusion.
 
2012-11-26 10:53:00 AM  

Muta: The US Chamber of Commerce puts a huge JOBS banner up is rich.
If the USCoC want more jobs then shouldn't they be putting pressure on their membership?


Can't you see that President Fart has sapped them of their job creating powers?
 
2012-11-26 10:55:02 AM  

coeyagi: Weaver95: miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.

The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?

well, I think the GOP got rocked back on it's pins pretty badly by Romney's loss. look, all the GOP data said Romney was gonna win in a landslide. the rank and file really believed that Obama was done. the election was merely a formality. they already planned the victory celebration. But then Romney lost, and not only lost but Obama won in a landslide. the GOP couldn't even pretend to claim that Obama doesn't have a mandate. then a whole bunch of issues turned against the GOP ideology (more states legalized pot and gay marriage) and several key races ended in Democratic victories. Allen West even lost to a moderate Democrat.

so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

I honestly don't know what else they can do but be obstructionists. They are so used to it and we are so used to it now that it seems like the only play in the GOP playbook.


What are you talking about? The GOP has an entire suite of legislative tools they can use:

img.orbitbid.com
 
2012-11-26 10:55:42 AM  

Pichu0102: max_pooper: Pichu0102: So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?

It's a lobbying group with an official sounding name.

So why is making a group named that allowed again? They certainly don't represent the United States, which could cause major confusion.


I want to found a new organization called 'the US Chamber militant' and make everyone wear grey suits and wield nemesis pencils.

/obscure
//shut up, it's a gamer thing.
 
2012-11-26 10:56:36 AM  
Aww, a useless supply-side "think tank" is getting cut out merely because they are nothing more than shouty right-wing shills and their "ideas" have no merit.

A-boo.

A-boo hoo.

A-boo hoo hoo.
 
2012-11-26 10:57:11 AM  

Pichu0102: max_pooper: Pichu0102: So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?

It's a lobbying group with an official sounding name.

So why is making a group named that allowed again? They certainly don't represent the United States, which could cause major confusion.


It's just a name. US Steel is not an official government entity, and American Eagle certainly does not promote the interests of any form of fowl, native or otherwise.
 
2012-11-26 10:59:01 AM  

Jackson Herring: Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.


I like cake.
 
2012-11-26 10:59:58 AM  

Headso: These people operated like WND and Merkin Stinker are real and now they are shut out of the deal making process, the companies they represent now don't have the access they tried to purchase. If


Those companies have the same access I have to the process. I can write a letter expressing my opinion on how to proceed to my Rep, Senator and President and expect them to give it proper weight. The members of the Chamber of Commerce have that exact same avenue as well.
 
2012-11-26 11:02:43 AM  
"We have absolute access to what happens in the Congress," Donohue said.

"We absolutely have access" or "We have absolute access"?
 
2012-11-26 11:03:57 AM  
The USCoC used to be pretty neutral and, while they might have been naturally right-leaning (being pro-business), they were like pre-Murdock WSJ. Hell, with a name like that, many people thought that it was an official branch of the government. That changed since at least the ACA debate and all of the pro-GOP commercials. Now, most people that matter know that they are simply an arm of the GOP.

It's a shame that the NRA doubled down on the derp with their endorsement, too. Especially considering that it was compatible to be members of both the ACLU and NRA. There's plenty of pro-gun Democrats that they alienated with that decision.
 
2012-11-26 11:05:41 AM  
The US Chamber of Commerce showed it was fiscally irresponsible by investing in fiscally irresponsible Republicans who lost to Obama. Why should Obama invite them to a discussion on fiscal responsibility?
 
2012-11-26 11:06:47 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

the US Chamber of Commerce was rabidly opposed to Obama. they didn't even pretend they were willing to talk compromise...then they worked hard as they could to get Republicans elected. What makes you think they have ANYTHING to offer Obama...? I am genuinely curious about your answer to this question.

They understand business far more than 0bama does.

Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


The USCC doesn't care about the country. It cares about the bottom line of its members, the most influencial of which aren't even doing the majority of their business in the US. do you honestly think DOW chemical, IBM or Ford really wants to bring jobs back States-side?
 
2012-11-26 11:07:30 AM  
USA, the best government money can buy but you did not hedge your bet. Even GE gives something to both parties.
 
2012-11-26 11:08:37 AM  

hinten: "We have absolute access to what happens in the Congress," Donohue said.

"We absolutely have access" or "We have absolute access"?


Boner has access to Absolute.
 
2012-11-26 11:08:45 AM  

aug3: The same COC that actively helps businesses ship jobs overseas?


the very same.

a few years back I was informed by a teatard that USCoC was necessary to "counterweight the marxist agenda" of the president. his job was outsourced a year later. I don't think he saw the irony.

/business owner
 
2012-11-26 11:10:51 AM  

SineSwiper: The USCoC used to be pretty neutral and, while they might have been naturally right-leaning (being pro-business), they were like pre-Murdock WSJ. Hell, with a name like that, many people thought that it was an official branch of the government. That changed since at least the ACA debate and all of the pro-GOP commercials. Now, most people that matter know that they are simply an arm of the GOP.

It's a shame that the NRA doubled down on the derp with their endorsement, too. Especially considering that it was compatible to be members of both the ACLU and NRA. There's plenty of pro-gun Democrats that they alienated with that decision.


The NRA has been taken over by the likes of Bob Barr, Grover Norquist, and Ted Nugent. What in God's name is Grover Norquist doing on the NRA board? The NRA needs to stick to their guns, so to speak.
 
2012-11-26 11:11:21 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

Awwww. That's so cute. You think you have a grown-up opinion!


His punctuation could be adjusted to become correct.

He wrote it, no doubt, as "the President can NOT work with people..."

Hey, what do you know...the President CAN not work with people who have a different view...as opposed to "Work with all sides and compromise" when there is no way to compromise with somebody who simply hates you as a person. He CAN pick his advisors!
 
2012-11-26 11:11:58 AM  

SineSwiper: There's plenty of pro-gun Democrats that they alienated with that decision.


Yup. I'll never, ever, be a member of the NRA as a result of their clear partisanship. The entire organization does nothing more useful now than say "that guy has a D so he is likely to go with the libby libs regardless of his lack of gun control history". Occasionally they give a passing grade to a blue dog.

So basically they just steal any money you give them and piss it away, while doing nothing for you.
 
2012-11-26 11:12:05 AM  

Muta: Headso: These people operated like WND and Merkin Stinker are real and now they are shut out of the deal making process, the companies they represent now don't have the access they tried to purchase. If

Those companies have the same access I have to the process. I can write a letter expressing my opinion on how to proceed to my Rep, Senator and President and expect them to give it proper weight. The members of the Chamber of Commerce have that exact same avenue as well.


and to get that access you spent 0 dollars and they spent 50MM all because they got known derpers making business decisions.
 
2012-11-26 11:14:11 AM  
The US Chamber of Commerce? You mean the paid Israeli lobbyists posing as a quasi-governmental authority on all things good for business and good for America - who take money from the Red Chinese to represent AmCham China in DC?
 
2012-11-26 11:22:10 AM  

PanicMan: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"

1. No he didn't.
2. Even if he did, "criticizing" does not equal "holding in contempt".


In Republicanland it does.
 
2012-11-26 11:22:25 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: What are you talking about? The GOP has an entire suite of legislative tools they can use:


Come now. They won't dig into their bag of hammers. They're dumber than that.
 
2012-11-26 11:31:08 AM  
So these folks are putting up block letter "Jobs" while their members are throwing a temper tantrum and firing people to spite Obama. They sound totally reasonable...
 
2012-11-26 11:35:03 AM  

Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.


The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.
 
2012-11-26 11:38:09 AM  
I wondered what happened to John Engler. He's the guy who took credit for Michigan's economic boom in the 90's - even though Michigan was being outpaced by the rest of the nation. Despite record revenues during his administration, he still managed to leave behind a billion dollar debt. This guy shouldn't be allowed in any conversation about any economy under any circumstances.
 
2012-11-26 11:38:21 AM  

Hagbardr: Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.


Fat lot of good it'll do in '14 if the economy's recovered enough. If the unemployment rate is 6% by then, the American public will have heard enough of Republican crying and whining.
 
2012-11-26 11:51:53 AM  

Hagbardr: The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.


More like the Enclave...
 
2012-11-26 11:54:15 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Hagbardr: The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.

More like the Enclave...


aaaaaaaaaaaaaand now I have to go play fallout 3. bastards.
 
2012-11-26 11:55:47 AM  

Hagbardr: Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.


I was thinking the Enclave, actually.
 
2012-11-26 11:58:03 AM  

Weaver95: aaaaaaaaaaaaaand now I have to go play fallout 3. bastards.


Can you imagine what it would be like if Bethesda would get their hands on the rights to the Space Quest series?
 
2012-11-26 12:11:22 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Hagbardr: The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.

More like the Enclave...


Hello, sweet America. This is your President, Rush Henry Limbaugh.
 
2012-11-26 12:12:07 PM  

verbaltoxin: Hagbardr: Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.

Fat lot of good it'll do in '14 if the economy's recovered enough. If the unemployment rate is 6% by then, the American public will have heard enough of Republican crying and whining.


You underestimate the short memories and shorter attention spans of the American people.

If the economy is humming along, they will cast off the fear that is the root of today's austerity. They will once again embrace the comfort of irrational exuberance.

With that will come the inflated sense of achievement and disdain for anyone who has not also prospered. ("I have no sympathy for the unemployed. If anyone can't find a job in this recovered economy, they're lazy and worthless slugs who deserve to rot in the gutter. I had it pretty rough in the Great Recession, but I made out pretty well. If I can do it, anybody can.")

And following that will be the complaints of Uncle Sam's hands in their pockets, the needless burden of taxation to support freeloaders, the immorality of the heavy hand of government, etc.

Yeah, I know. "You sound poor." Actually, I'm not. No way to prove it to you, so no point trying. Suffice it to say that I've done well over several boom/bust cycles. So yes, I'm probably older than you. And I've seen how The American Middle-To-Upper Middle Class behaves when times are good and times are bad.

All this has happened before. All this will happen again.
 
2012-11-26 12:26:36 PM  

Parthenogenetic: verbaltoxin: Hagbardr: Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.

Fat lot of good it'll do in '14 if the economy's recovered enough. If the unemployment rate is 6% by then, the American public will have heard enough of Republican crying and whining.

You underestimate the short memories and shorter attention spans of the American people.

If the economy is humming along, they will cast off the fear that is the root of today's austerity. They will once again embrace the comfort of irrational exuberance.

With that will come the inflated sense of achievement and disdain for anyone who has not also prospered. ("I have no sympathy for the unemployed. If anyone can't find a job in this recovered economy, they're lazy and worthless slugs who deserve to rot in the gutter. I had it pretty rough in the Great Recession, but I made out pretty well. If I can do it, anybody can.")

And following that will be the complaints of Uncle Sam's hands in their pockets, the needless burden of taxation to support freeloaders, the immorality of the heavy hand of government, etc.

Yeah, I know. "You sound poor." Actually, I'm not. No way to prove it to you, so no point trying. Suffice ...


You don't even have to go back far to support your example. In 2008, George W. Bush could not attend the Republican Convention and Republicans were calling themselves, "Independents". Liberals gleefully spoke about the possible inevitable death of the Republican party. Two years later, Republicans swept the primaries because the public trusted them more to...wait for it... HANDLE THE ECONOMY. *headdesk*
 
2012-11-26 12:26:51 PM  
Nail on the head there Parthenogenetic.
 
2012-11-26 12:46:03 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


It's cute that you think the US Chamber of Commerce lobby is all about solutions for the country.
 
2012-11-26 12:58:32 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


Watching you post anymore is like watching old people fark. Seriously, you're not even mildly entertaining. I feel embarrassed for you. Keep up with your flaccid poli-trolling though. You deep trolls aren't known for cleverness or self-awareness b
 
2012-11-26 01:01:52 PM  
img713.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-26 01:04:38 PM  
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the Susan G. Komen of business organizations, and the sooner small business owners learn this the better.
 
2012-11-26 01:06:54 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I have many leather bound books and my chamber smells of rich mahogany.


www.ihatethemedia.com

My chamber smells like that too.
 
2012-11-26 01:11:10 PM  
The USCoC(k) needs to STFU with their propaganda and just create those damn jobs. Those bootstrappy folks already told us that government doesn't create them, and we know from plenty of experience that corporate welfare doesn't create them either.
 
2012-11-26 01:12:26 PM  

Muta: The US Chamber of Commerce puts a huge JOBS banner up is rich.
If the USCoC want more jobs then shouldn't they be putting pressure on their membership?



It's even richer than that. They're the biggest advocates for outsourcing and off-shoring that you'll find... which is why a ginormous chunk of their funding comes from Chinese factory owners.

Here's Donohue (same guy from the article) on outsourcing:

"The bottom line: outsourcing has made the manufacturing process more efficient and productive, which has helped consumers and our overall economy. Outsourcing allows manufacturers to buy components from a vast array of suppliers, lowering costs for the manufacturer who is able to pass on the savings to consumers.

Outsourcing has also made us work smarter and made workers able to take advantage of one of the United States greatest assets - the spirit of innovation. The changes in the manufacturing sector have resulted in some of our best workers improving their workforce skills and in many cases, transitioning to careers in high-technology fields."


...the other eleventy-billion who are completely farked have only themselves to blame for not being boot-strappy enough.
 
2012-11-26 01:22:14 PM  

SupplySideJesus: [img713.imageshack.us image 640x422]


One internets to you!
 
2012-11-26 01:24:00 PM  

DeaH: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the Susan G. Komen of business organizations, and the sooner small business owners learn this the better.


i.imgur.com
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2012-11-26 01:28:47 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


No, its not. You are an ignorant fool if you actually believe this and aren't trolling. Turn off Fox and read a farking newspaper.
 
2012-11-26 01:37:50 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


You mean like how he gave Republicans 98% of what they wanted, and they threw a tantrum and whined that they didn't get 100%? Like how the right filibustered and fought and biatched about everything Obama said, thought, and did, and never offered anything of their own? Like how the right declared "The number-one job is to make Obama a one-term president", not something like "The number-one job is to fix the economy" or "The number-one job is to reduce unemployment"?
 
2012-11-26 02:09:48 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

You mean like how he gave Republicans 98% of what they wanted, and they threw a tantrum and whined that they didn't get 100%? Like how the right filibustered and fought and biatched about everything Obama said, thought, and did, and never offered anything of their own? Like how the right declared "The number-one job is to make Obama a one-term president", not something like "The number-one job is to fix the economy" or "The number-one job is to reduce unemployment"?


Before somebody shouts "The liberal media admitted they lied about that!!!" here's the entire Oct. 23, 2010 interview with the National Journal which contains those comments:

NJ: You've been studying the history of presidents who lost part or all of Congress in their first term. Why?

McConnell: In the last 100 years, three presidents suffered big defeats in Congress in their first term and then won reelection: Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, and the most recent example, Bill Clinton. I read a lot of history anyway, but I am trying to apply those lessons to current situations in hopes of not making the same mistakes.

NJ: What have you learned?

McConnell: After 1994, the public had the impression we Republicans overpromised and underdelivered. We suffered from some degree of hubris and acted as if the president was irrelevant and we would roll over him. By the summer of 1995, he was already on the way to being reelected, and we were hanging on for our lives.

NJ: What does this mean now?

McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, "Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job."

NJ: What's the job?

McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

NJ: Does that mean endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president?

McConnell: If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him.

NJ: What are the big issues?

McConnell: It is possible the president's advisers will tell him he has to do something to get right with the public on his levels of spending and [on] lowering the national debt. If he were to heed that advice, he would, I imagine, find more support among our conference than he would among some in the Senate in his own party. I don't want the president to fail; I want him to change. So, we'll see. The next move is going to be up to him.

NJ: What will you seek from the president on the tax issue?

McConnell: At the very least, I believe we should extend all of the Bush tax cuts. And I prefer to describe this as keeping current tax policy. It's been on the books for 10 years. Now, how long that [extension] is, is something we can discuss. It was clear his position was not [favored] among all Senate Democrats. They had their own divisions. I don't think those divisions are going to be any less in November and December.


So yes, he did say that defeating Obama was the #1 priority.
And yes, he did say that Republicans were willing to compromise.
But yes, only if Obama did a "Clintonian backflip"
And no, the statement was not made immediately after Obama was elected, but two years into his term as President. Although it's not as though the obstructionism started two years in...
 
2012-11-26 02:15:06 PM  

Parthenogenetic: McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us.


Someone should ask him if THIS election is still about the public, and not about them.
 
2012-11-26 02:27:32 PM  
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce shouts "JOBS" with two-story-tall block letters strung on its building facing the White House.

Apparently the "job creators" can't hear you. Better find a taller building.
 
2012-11-26 05:15:04 PM  

Parthenogenetic: McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, "Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job."

NJ: What's the job?

McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.


For this, I would not piss on McConnell if he was on fire.
 
2012-11-26 05:29:59 PM  

Jackson Herring: Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.


Yo, Jackson, I'm not sure if you are able to read this or not, but if you can, get to a hospital or call an ambulance, you may have just have had a stroke.
 
2012-11-26 10:05:46 PM  

Jackson Herring: Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.


::slow clap::
::wipes tear from eye::
 
2012-11-26 10:46:21 PM  

technicolor-misfit:

"The bottom line: outsourcing has made the manufacturing process more efficient and productive, which has helped consumers and our overall economy. Outsourcing allows manufacturers to buy components from a vast array of suppliers, lowering costs for the manufacturer who is able to pass on the savings to consumers.

...the other eleventy-billion who are completely farked have only themselves to blame for not being boot-strappy enough.


It's also all of our fault for buying all the cheaper products made in China. Manufacturing iPads in America would about double the cost of production from $300 to $600 per iPad.

If those numbers are pretty standard for the electronics industry it seems like we could probably be manufacturing things here, and paying our workers enough that they could probably afford the products they make. A vibrant manufacturing economy would benefit our economy as a whole as many more people could afford more expensive products, food and homes, but corporations might have to accept lower profit margins. Which is of course, unacceptable.
 
2012-11-27 08:35:43 AM  
Dear US Chamber of Commerce,

The good citizens of out great nation do not agree with your views and agenda. Further, many of us resent your efforts to influence our electoral process with gratuitous amounts of money from anonymous donors.

Please DIAF.

Hug & Kisses,

The American People
 
2012-11-29 12:20:40 AM  

Ol' Derpy Bastard: Got to love it when Conservative dumbasses piss Fifty Million USD down a farking rat hole. I mean, bwahahahahahahahaha.

shiat, guys. Maybe it would have been cheaper to STFU and pay your taxes? You know, just like you're actually supposed to do.


That's the real pisser about this... these morans are so ideologically opposed to taxes (because their hard-earned white guys money might be helping someone who obviously doesn't deserve it) that they will spend more money to avoid the taxes they owe than they would to pay the taxes they owe if they had to.
 
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