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(BusinessWeek)   Ladies and gentlemen, please observe Exhibit A in what happens when your lobby goes all-in against a Presidential candidate and loses   (businessweek.com) divider line 123
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2012-11-26 12:12:07 PM  

verbaltoxin: Hagbardr: Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.

Fat lot of good it'll do in '14 if the economy's recovered enough. If the unemployment rate is 6% by then, the American public will have heard enough of Republican crying and whining.


You underestimate the short memories and shorter attention spans of the American people.

If the economy is humming along, they will cast off the fear that is the root of today's austerity. They will once again embrace the comfort of irrational exuberance.

With that will come the inflated sense of achievement and disdain for anyone who has not also prospered. ("I have no sympathy for the unemployed. If anyone can't find a job in this recovered economy, they're lazy and worthless slugs who deserve to rot in the gutter. I had it pretty rough in the Great Recession, but I made out pretty well. If I can do it, anybody can.")

And following that will be the complaints of Uncle Sam's hands in their pockets, the needless burden of taxation to support freeloaders, the immorality of the heavy hand of government, etc.

Yeah, I know. "You sound poor." Actually, I'm not. No way to prove it to you, so no point trying. Suffice it to say that I've done well over several boom/bust cycles. So yes, I'm probably older than you. And I've seen how The American Middle-To-Upper Middle Class behaves when times are good and times are bad.

All this has happened before. All this will happen again.
 
2012-11-26 12:26:36 PM  

Parthenogenetic: verbaltoxin: Hagbardr: Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.

Fat lot of good it'll do in '14 if the economy's recovered enough. If the unemployment rate is 6% by then, the American public will have heard enough of Republican crying and whining.

You underestimate the short memories and shorter attention spans of the American people.

If the economy is humming along, they will cast off the fear that is the root of today's austerity. They will once again embrace the comfort of irrational exuberance.

With that will come the inflated sense of achievement and disdain for anyone who has not also prospered. ("I have no sympathy for the unemployed. If anyone can't find a job in this recovered economy, they're lazy and worthless slugs who deserve to rot in the gutter. I had it pretty rough in the Great Recession, but I made out pretty well. If I can do it, anybody can.")

And following that will be the complaints of Uncle Sam's hands in their pockets, the needless burden of taxation to support freeloaders, the immorality of the heavy hand of government, etc.

Yeah, I know. "You sound poor." Actually, I'm not. No way to prove it to you, so no point trying. Suffice ...


You don't even have to go back far to support your example. In 2008, George W. Bush could not attend the Republican Convention and Republicans were calling themselves, "Independents". Liberals gleefully spoke about the possible inevitable death of the Republican party. Two years later, Republicans swept the primaries because the public trusted them more to...wait for it... HANDLE THE ECONOMY. *headdesk*
 
2012-11-26 12:26:51 PM  
Nail on the head there Parthenogenetic.
 
2012-11-26 12:46:03 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


It's cute that you think the US Chamber of Commerce lobby is all about solutions for the country.
 
2012-11-26 12:58:32 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


Watching you post anymore is like watching old people fark. Seriously, you're not even mildly entertaining. I feel embarrassed for you. Keep up with your flaccid poli-trolling though. You deep trolls aren't known for cleverness or self-awareness b
 
2012-11-26 01:01:52 PM  
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2012-11-26 01:04:38 PM  
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the Susan G. Komen of business organizations, and the sooner small business owners learn this the better.
 
2012-11-26 01:06:54 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I have many leather bound books and my chamber smells of rich mahogany.


www.ihatethemedia.com

My chamber smells like that too.
 
2012-11-26 01:11:10 PM  
The USCoC(k) needs to STFU with their propaganda and just create those damn jobs. Those bootstrappy folks already told us that government doesn't create them, and we know from plenty of experience that corporate welfare doesn't create them either.
 
2012-11-26 01:12:26 PM  

Muta: The US Chamber of Commerce puts a huge JOBS banner up is rich.
If the USCoC want more jobs then shouldn't they be putting pressure on their membership?



It's even richer than that. They're the biggest advocates for outsourcing and off-shoring that you'll find... which is why a ginormous chunk of their funding comes from Chinese factory owners.

Here's Donohue (same guy from the article) on outsourcing:

"The bottom line: outsourcing has made the manufacturing process more efficient and productive, which has helped consumers and our overall economy. Outsourcing allows manufacturers to buy components from a vast array of suppliers, lowering costs for the manufacturer who is able to pass on the savings to consumers.

Outsourcing has also made us work smarter and made workers able to take advantage of one of the United States greatest assets - the spirit of innovation. The changes in the manufacturing sector have resulted in some of our best workers improving their workforce skills and in many cases, transitioning to careers in high-technology fields."


...the other eleventy-billion who are completely farked have only themselves to blame for not being boot-strappy enough.
 
2012-11-26 01:22:14 PM  

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One internets to you!
 
2012-11-26 01:24:00 PM  

DeaH: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the Susan G. Komen of business organizations, and the sooner small business owners learn this the better.


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2012-11-26 01:28:47 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


No, its not. You are an ignorant fool if you actually believe this and aren't trolling. Turn off Fox and read a farking newspaper.
 
2012-11-26 01:37:50 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


You mean like how he gave Republicans 98% of what they wanted, and they threw a tantrum and whined that they didn't get 100%? Like how the right filibustered and fought and biatched about everything Obama said, thought, and did, and never offered anything of their own? Like how the right declared "The number-one job is to make Obama a one-term president", not something like "The number-one job is to fix the economy" or "The number-one job is to reduce unemployment"?
 
2012-11-26 02:09:48 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

You mean like how he gave Republicans 98% of what they wanted, and they threw a tantrum and whined that they didn't get 100%? Like how the right filibustered and fought and biatched about everything Obama said, thought, and did, and never offered anything of their own? Like how the right declared "The number-one job is to make Obama a one-term president", not something like "The number-one job is to fix the economy" or "The number-one job is to reduce unemployment"?


Before somebody shouts "The liberal media admitted they lied about that!!!" here's the entire Oct. 23, 2010 interview with the National Journal which contains those comments:

NJ: You've been studying the history of presidents who lost part or all of Congress in their first term. Why?

McConnell: In the last 100 years, three presidents suffered big defeats in Congress in their first term and then won reelection: Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, and the most recent example, Bill Clinton. I read a lot of history anyway, but I am trying to apply those lessons to current situations in hopes of not making the same mistakes.

NJ: What have you learned?

McConnell: After 1994, the public had the impression we Republicans overpromised and underdelivered. We suffered from some degree of hubris and acted as if the president was irrelevant and we would roll over him. By the summer of 1995, he was already on the way to being reelected, and we were hanging on for our lives.

NJ: What does this mean now?

McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, "Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job."

NJ: What's the job?

McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

NJ: Does that mean endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president?

McConnell: If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him.

NJ: What are the big issues?

McConnell: It is possible the president's advisers will tell him he has to do something to get right with the public on his levels of spending and [on] lowering the national debt. If he were to heed that advice, he would, I imagine, find more support among our conference than he would among some in the Senate in his own party. I don't want the president to fail; I want him to change. So, we'll see. The next move is going to be up to him.

NJ: What will you seek from the president on the tax issue?

McConnell: At the very least, I believe we should extend all of the Bush tax cuts. And I prefer to describe this as keeping current tax policy. It's been on the books for 10 years. Now, how long that [extension] is, is something we can discuss. It was clear his position was not [favored] among all Senate Democrats. They had their own divisions. I don't think those divisions are going to be any less in November and December.


So yes, he did say that defeating Obama was the #1 priority.
And yes, he did say that Republicans were willing to compromise.
But yes, only if Obama did a "Clintonian backflip"
And no, the statement was not made immediately after Obama was elected, but two years into his term as President. Although it's not as though the obstructionism started two years in...
 
2012-11-26 02:15:06 PM  

Parthenogenetic: McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us.


Someone should ask him if THIS election is still about the public, and not about them.
 
2012-11-26 02:27:32 PM  
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce shouts "JOBS" with two-story-tall block letters strung on its building facing the White House.

Apparently the "job creators" can't hear you. Better find a taller building.
 
2012-11-26 05:15:04 PM  

Parthenogenetic: McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, "Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job."

NJ: What's the job?

McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.


For this, I would not piss on McConnell if he was on fire.
 
2012-11-26 05:29:59 PM  

Jackson Herring: Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.


Yo, Jackson, I'm not sure if you are able to read this or not, but if you can, get to a hospital or call an ambulance, you may have just have had a stroke.
 
2012-11-26 10:05:46 PM  

Jackson Herring: Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.


::slow clap::
::wipes tear from eye::
 
2012-11-26 10:46:21 PM  

technicolor-misfit:

"The bottom line: outsourcing has made the manufacturing process more efficient and productive, which has helped consumers and our overall economy. Outsourcing allows manufacturers to buy components from a vast array of suppliers, lowering costs for the manufacturer who is able to pass on the savings to consumers.

...the other eleventy-billion who are completely farked have only themselves to blame for not being boot-strappy enough.


It's also all of our fault for buying all the cheaper products made in China. Manufacturing iPads in America would about double the cost of production from $300 to $600 per iPad.

If those numbers are pretty standard for the electronics industry it seems like we could probably be manufacturing things here, and paying our workers enough that they could probably afford the products they make. A vibrant manufacturing economy would benefit our economy as a whole as many more people could afford more expensive products, food and homes, but corporations might have to accept lower profit margins. Which is of course, unacceptable.
 
2012-11-27 08:35:43 AM  
Dear US Chamber of Commerce,

The good citizens of out great nation do not agree with your views and agenda. Further, many of us resent your efforts to influence our electoral process with gratuitous amounts of money from anonymous donors.

Please DIAF.

Hug & Kisses,

The American People
 
2012-11-29 12:20:40 AM  

Ol' Derpy Bastard: Got to love it when Conservative dumbasses piss Fifty Million USD down a farking rat hole. I mean, bwahahahahahahahaha.

shiat, guys. Maybe it would have been cheaper to STFU and pay your taxes? You know, just like you're actually supposed to do.


That's the real pisser about this... these morans are so ideologically opposed to taxes (because their hard-earned white guys money might be helping someone who obviously doesn't deserve it) that they will spend more money to avoid the taxes they owe than they would to pay the taxes they owe if they had to.
 
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