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2012-11-26 10:25:48 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

They understand business far more than 0bama does.

Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


But the US Chamber isn't in it for 'the country', they're in it for their elite membership...and that membership has a VERY strong bias against Obama. the Chamber made it VERY clear that they do not like Obama, and that they were going to work against him at every opportunity. they even put their money down against Obama and made sure everyone knew that they were NOT backing Obama in any manner.

why should Obama reach out to them? what could the Chamber POSSIBLY offer Obama to make it worth his time to speak with them?
 
2012-11-26 10:27:29 AM  

Smackledorfer: Is there something I don't know about the Keystone XL, which allows canadian oil to pipe down to the gulf of mexico for shipping OUT of the US and around the globe, such that it would be a significant solution to our deficit?


Not really. Where you're getting confused is in thinking that the USCOC gives a shiat about American business or workers. They exist solely as the lobbying arm for a couple of large multinationals. Oh, and Keystone is supposed to create 11 million jobs or some such bullshiat.
 
2012-11-26 10:29:22 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

the US Chamber of Commerce was rabidly opposed to Obama. they didn't even pretend they were willing to talk compromise...then they worked hard as they could to get Republicans elected. What makes you think they have ANYTHING to offer Obama...? I am genuinely curious about your answer to this question.

They understand business far more than 0bama does.

Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


Says the guy who thinks the chamber of commerce exists to offer solutions for the country.
 
2012-11-26 10:30:30 AM  
US corporations have struggled mighty during the Obama years...

research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-11-26 10:32:36 AM  

coeyagi: I honestly don't know what else they can do but be obstructionists. They are so used to it and we are so used to it now that it seems like the only play in the GOP playbook. No one on their side is showing any hint (other than Chambliss, and he'll be put back in line in a back door meeting) of relenting on the derp or backing down from obstructing sensible legilsation.


I've heard that the new crop of Republicans who are putting tax hikes on the table are asking for cuts to Social Security and Medicare in return.
 
2012-11-26 10:33:50 AM  
The same Chamber of Commerce that tried to tell us "Outsourcing internationally is Patriotic". Oh yeah, that one. Back to the kids table you go.
 
2012-11-26 10:37:53 AM  
FTA

"We have not been contacted by the White House," Thomas J. Donohue, president of the chamber, told reporters at a press conference Nov. 13.

"We have absolute access to what happens in the Congress," Donohue said.

One of these statements should lead you to a different conclusion about the other.
 
2012-11-26 10:38:20 AM  

coeyagi: I honestly don't know what else they can do but be obstructionists. They are so used to it and we are so used to it now that it seems like the only play in the GOP playbook. No one on their side is showing any hint (other than Chambliss, and he'll be put back in line in a back door meeting) of relenting on the derp or backing down from obstructing sensible legilsation.

The talking point now is they didn't have a conservative enough candidate, so we have to wait until 2016 to see if they field a fundie derper like Santorum or back down and go safe with someone like Christie. The GOP, and the country, needs them to lose in 2014 and lose in 2016 with a fundie to prove that they need moderation and non-obstructionism. If they lose 3 elections in a row with different strategies, the only thing they have to fall back on is the one thing they haven't done yet - be non-assholes.


I don't know that i've got any answers for you. the GOP seems to be still mostly in shock about their losses. I see fear, anger and denial from the Republicans but nothing coherent in terms of policy positions. falling back on their core mantra (tax cuts for the rich, god is on our side etc etc) is a temporary fall back position at best and it won't last. I think the GOP inner circle is flat out amazed they were so wrong about Romney. ALL their spreadsheets and computer projections PROVED that Romney was the winner. he had already won...so they planned on that happening and didn't even consider what to do if/when they lost. I really do get the feeling the Republicans have no idea what to do right now.
 
2012-11-26 10:39:21 AM  

qorkfiend: I've heard that the new crop of Republicans who are putting tax hikes on the table are asking for cuts to Social Security and Medicare in return.


I'd rather see a retooling of Medicare, such as a rewriting of Part D so that it isn't such a gift to the pharmaceutical industry.
 
2012-11-26 10:40:09 AM  
I just looked at the US Constitution and I see no mention of the Chamber of Commerce as being a branch of the government. Why would they expect a 'seat at the table' when drafting the legislation?
 
2012-11-26 10:42:17 AM  
Got to love it when Conservative dumbasses piss Fifty Million USD down a farking rat hole. I mean, bwahahahahahahahaha.

shiat, guys. Maybe it would have been cheaper to STFU and pay your taxes? You know, just like you're actually supposed to do.
 
2012-11-26 10:42:54 AM  

Muta: I just looked at the US Constitution and I see no mention of the Chamber of Commerce as being a branch of the government. Why would they expect a 'seat at the table' when drafting the legislation?


i'm still trying to figure out how someone could possibly get the idea that the US Chamber of Commerce was AT ALL interested in the 'good of the nation'. they're a lobbyist organization, paid to represent the specific interests of their membership. they don't care about 'the nation', they care about what they're paid to care about...nothing more, nothing less.
 
2012-11-26 10:44:30 AM  
And nothing of value was offered or lost.
 
2012-11-26 10:46:24 AM  

Smackledorfer: While the chamber promotes its own plan for reducing the U.S. budget deficit, including increased domestic energy production and building the Keystone XL pipeline,

Is there something I don't know about the Keystone XL, which allows canadian oil to pipe down to the gulf of mexico for shipping OUT of the US and around the globe, such that it would be a significant solution to our deficit?


Didn't you watch the Republican primaries? Building the pipeline will instantly create 100 1,000 10,000 100,000 1,000,000 10,000,000 permanent, high-paying jobs!
 
2012-11-26 10:47:06 AM  
The US Chamber of Commerce puts a huge JOBS banner up is rich.
If the USCoC want more jobs then shouldn't they be putting pressure on their membership?
 
2012-11-26 10:47:44 AM  
So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?
 
2012-11-26 10:49:07 AM  

Pichu0102: So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?


It's a lobbying group with an official sounding name.
 
2012-11-26 10:50:59 AM  

Weaver95: Dad was a lobbyist for over 20 years and he said there were a couple rules he considered critical to the job:

1. watch your back.
2. keep your name outta the papers. you end up being visible to the public, then you failed as a lobbyist.
3. be as neutral as possible.
4. trust no one, not even yourself.

he also said you should be as honest as you could manage, and never get caught in a lie. you get caught double dealing or in a lie, people remember that and it'll come back to get you later. Anywho, looks like the US Chamber forgot rule #3 and is now paying the price for the arrogance. can't say I feel sorry for 'em since they really did go all in against Obama and were pretty obvious about it. you risk everything in a wild bet like that then you can't be really surprised when it doesn't work out and you end up falling flat.


Keep in mind, the US Chamber isn't a real business association. It's a Koch brother's mouthpiece.
 
2012-11-26 10:52:27 AM  

Muta: The US Chamber of Commerce puts a huge JOBS banner up is rich.
If the USCoC want more jobs then shouldn't they be putting pressure on their membership?


Someone 'shoop a "JERBS" set of flags.

// and maybe a Potato Head with a "dey took 'em" picket sign
// and lasers
 
2012-11-26 10:52:46 AM  

max_pooper: Pichu0102: So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?

It's a lobbying group with an official sounding name.


So why is making a group named that allowed again? They certainly don't represent the United States, which could cause major confusion.
 
2012-11-26 10:53:00 AM  

Muta: The US Chamber of Commerce puts a huge JOBS banner up is rich.
If the USCoC want more jobs then shouldn't they be putting pressure on their membership?


Can't you see that President Fart has sapped them of their job creating powers?
 
2012-11-26 10:55:02 AM  

coeyagi: Weaver95: miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.

The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?

well, I think the GOP got rocked back on it's pins pretty badly by Romney's loss. look, all the GOP data said Romney was gonna win in a landslide. the rank and file really believed that Obama was done. the election was merely a formality. they already planned the victory celebration. But then Romney lost, and not only lost but Obama won in a landslide. the GOP couldn't even pretend to claim that Obama doesn't have a mandate. then a whole bunch of issues turned against the GOP ideology (more states legalized pot and gay marriage) and several key races ended in Democratic victories. Allen West even lost to a moderate Democrat.

so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

I honestly don't know what else they can do but be obstructionists. They are so used to it and we are so used to it now that it seems like the only play in the GOP playbook.


What are you talking about? The GOP has an entire suite of legislative tools they can use:

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2012-11-26 10:55:42 AM  

Pichu0102: max_pooper: Pichu0102: So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?

It's a lobbying group with an official sounding name.

So why is making a group named that allowed again? They certainly don't represent the United States, which could cause major confusion.


I want to found a new organization called 'the US Chamber militant' and make everyone wear grey suits and wield nemesis pencils.

/obscure
//shut up, it's a gamer thing.
 
2012-11-26 10:56:36 AM  
Aww, a useless supply-side "think tank" is getting cut out merely because they are nothing more than shouty right-wing shills and their "ideas" have no merit.

A-boo.

A-boo hoo.

A-boo hoo hoo.
 
2012-11-26 10:57:11 AM  

Pichu0102: max_pooper: Pichu0102: So is the chamber of commerce an actual government entity or just a business with a name that looks like it is?

It's a lobbying group with an official sounding name.

So why is making a group named that allowed again? They certainly don't represent the United States, which could cause major confusion.


It's just a name. US Steel is not an official government entity, and American Eagle certainly does not promote the interests of any form of fowl, native or otherwise.
 
2012-11-26 10:59:01 AM  

Jackson Herring: Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.


I like cake.
 
2012-11-26 10:59:58 AM  

Headso: These people operated like WND and Merkin Stinker are real and now they are shut out of the deal making process, the companies they represent now don't have the access they tried to purchase. If


Those companies have the same access I have to the process. I can write a letter expressing my opinion on how to proceed to my Rep, Senator and President and expect them to give it proper weight. The members of the Chamber of Commerce have that exact same avenue as well.
 
2012-11-26 11:02:43 AM  
"We have absolute access to what happens in the Congress," Donohue said.

"We absolutely have access" or "We have absolute access"?
 
2012-11-26 11:03:57 AM  
The USCoC used to be pretty neutral and, while they might have been naturally right-leaning (being pro-business), they were like pre-Murdock WSJ. Hell, with a name like that, many people thought that it was an official branch of the government. That changed since at least the ACA debate and all of the pro-GOP commercials. Now, most people that matter know that they are simply an arm of the GOP.

It's a shame that the NRA doubled down on the derp with their endorsement, too. Especially considering that it was compatible to be members of both the ACLU and NRA. There's plenty of pro-gun Democrats that they alienated with that decision.
 
2012-11-26 11:05:41 AM  
The US Chamber of Commerce showed it was fiscally irresponsible by investing in fiscally irresponsible Republicans who lost to Obama. Why should Obama invite them to a discussion on fiscal responsibility?
 
2012-11-26 11:06:47 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

the US Chamber of Commerce was rabidly opposed to Obama. they didn't even pretend they were willing to talk compromise...then they worked hard as they could to get Republicans elected. What makes you think they have ANYTHING to offer Obama...? I am genuinely curious about your answer to this question.

They understand business far more than 0bama does.

Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


The USCC doesn't care about the country. It cares about the bottom line of its members, the most influencial of which aren't even doing the majority of their business in the US. do you honestly think DOW chemical, IBM or Ford really wants to bring jobs back States-side?
 
2012-11-26 11:07:30 AM  
USA, the best government money can buy but you did not hedge your bet. Even GE gives something to both parties.
 
2012-11-26 11:08:37 AM  

hinten: "We have absolute access to what happens in the Congress," Donohue said.

"We absolutely have access" or "We have absolute access"?


Boner has access to Absolute.
 
2012-11-26 11:08:45 AM  

aug3: The same COC that actively helps businesses ship jobs overseas?


the very same.

a few years back I was informed by a teatard that USCoC was necessary to "counterweight the marxist agenda" of the president. his job was outsourced a year later. I don't think he saw the irony.

/business owner
 
2012-11-26 11:10:51 AM  

SineSwiper: The USCoC used to be pretty neutral and, while they might have been naturally right-leaning (being pro-business), they were like pre-Murdock WSJ. Hell, with a name like that, many people thought that it was an official branch of the government. That changed since at least the ACA debate and all of the pro-GOP commercials. Now, most people that matter know that they are simply an arm of the GOP.

It's a shame that the NRA doubled down on the derp with their endorsement, too. Especially considering that it was compatible to be members of both the ACLU and NRA. There's plenty of pro-gun Democrats that they alienated with that decision.


The NRA has been taken over by the likes of Bob Barr, Grover Norquist, and Ted Nugent. What in God's name is Grover Norquist doing on the NRA board? The NRA needs to stick to their guns, so to speak.
 
2012-11-26 11:11:21 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

Awwww. That's so cute. You think you have a grown-up opinion!


His punctuation could be adjusted to become correct.

He wrote it, no doubt, as "the President can NOT work with people..."

Hey, what do you know...the President CAN not work with people who have a different view...as opposed to "Work with all sides and compromise" when there is no way to compromise with somebody who simply hates you as a person. He CAN pick his advisors!
 
2012-11-26 11:11:58 AM  

SineSwiper: There's plenty of pro-gun Democrats that they alienated with that decision.


Yup. I'll never, ever, be a member of the NRA as a result of their clear partisanship. The entire organization does nothing more useful now than say "that guy has a D so he is likely to go with the libby libs regardless of his lack of gun control history". Occasionally they give a passing grade to a blue dog.

So basically they just steal any money you give them and piss it away, while doing nothing for you.
 
2012-11-26 11:12:05 AM  

Muta: Headso: These people operated like WND and Merkin Stinker are real and now they are shut out of the deal making process, the companies they represent now don't have the access they tried to purchase. If

Those companies have the same access I have to the process. I can write a letter expressing my opinion on how to proceed to my Rep, Senator and President and expect them to give it proper weight. The members of the Chamber of Commerce have that exact same avenue as well.


and to get that access you spent 0 dollars and they spent 50MM all because they got known derpers making business decisions.
 
2012-11-26 11:14:11 AM  
The US Chamber of Commerce? You mean the paid Israeli lobbyists posing as a quasi-governmental authority on all things good for business and good for America - who take money from the Red Chinese to represent AmCham China in DC?
 
2012-11-26 11:22:10 AM  

PanicMan: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"

1. No he didn't.
2. Even if he did, "criticizing" does not equal "holding in contempt".


In Republicanland it does.
 
2012-11-26 11:22:25 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: What are you talking about? The GOP has an entire suite of legislative tools they can use:


Come now. They won't dig into their bag of hammers. They're dumber than that.
 
2012-11-26 11:31:08 AM  
So these folks are putting up block letter "Jobs" while their members are throwing a temper tantrum and firing people to spite Obama. They sound totally reasonable...
 
2012-11-26 11:35:03 AM  

Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.


The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.
 
2012-11-26 11:38:09 AM  
I wondered what happened to John Engler. He's the guy who took credit for Michigan's economic boom in the 90's - even though Michigan was being outpaced by the rest of the nation. Despite record revenues during his administration, he still managed to leave behind a billion dollar debt. This guy shouldn't be allowed in any conversation about any economy under any circumstances.
 
2012-11-26 11:38:21 AM  

Hagbardr: Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.


Fat lot of good it'll do in '14 if the economy's recovered enough. If the unemployment rate is 6% by then, the American public will have heard enough of Republican crying and whining.
 
2012-11-26 11:51:53 AM  

Hagbardr: The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.


More like the Enclave...
 
2012-11-26 11:54:15 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Hagbardr: The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.

More like the Enclave...


aaaaaaaaaaaaaand now I have to go play fallout 3. bastards.
 
2012-11-26 11:55:47 AM  

Hagbardr: Weaver95: so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.

The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.


I was thinking the Enclave, actually.
 
2012-11-26 11:58:03 AM  

Weaver95: aaaaaaaaaaaaaand now I have to go play fallout 3. bastards.


Can you imagine what it would be like if Bethesda would get their hands on the rights to the Space Quest series?
 
2012-11-26 12:11:22 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Hagbardr: The GOP sounds a lot like The Brotherhood of Steel.

More like the Enclave...


Hello, sweet America. This is your President, Rush Henry Limbaugh.
 
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