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(BusinessWeek)   Ladies and gentlemen, please observe Exhibit A in what happens when your lobby goes all-in against a Presidential candidate and loses   (businessweek.com) divider line 123
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2012-11-26 09:12:34 AM
And apparently they learned nothing as the derp is still strong with them.

FTFA: The chamber's place on the sidelines as of now shows Obama is "still in campaign mode," Jade West, senior vice president of government relations for the National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors, said in an interview. She said she views the chamber's spending against Democrats as "a chicken- and-egg situation."

"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"


He's still in campaign mode! (and so are we with our derptasticness).
 
2012-11-26 09:26:49 AM
He didn't criticize business, he criticized your lobby. Why in the world woudl he work with you after that, when you still are massively against him?
 
2012-11-26 09:27:52 AM
"We have not been contacted by the White House," Thomas J. Donohue, president of the chamber, told reporters at a press conference Nov. 13. "


Oh, you'll be contacted. Just don't be surprised when you hear Nelson Muntz on the other end of the line.
 
2012-11-26 09:28:44 AM
My cousin-in-law used to work in a director level position of the US CofC... as a liberal.

He took many showers each day.

//csb
 
2012-11-26 09:30:20 AM
"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.

If you repeat republican talkingpoints/propaganda like they are actually true you should be fired from your job. It shows that you don't have a firm grasp on reality and someone that out of touch is a danger when making decisions.
 
2012-11-26 09:31:44 AM
Dad was a lobbyist for over 20 years and he said there were a couple rules he considered critical to the job:

1. watch your back.
2. keep your name outta the papers. you end up being visible to the public, then you failed as a lobbyist.
3. be as neutral as possible.
4. trust no one, not even yourself.

he also said you should be as honest as you could manage, and never get caught in a lie. you get caught double dealing or in a lie, people remember that and it'll come back to get you later. Anywho, looks like the US Chamber forgot rule #3 and is now paying the price for the arrogance. can't say I feel sorry for 'em since they really did go all in against Obama and were pretty obvious about it. you risk everything in a wild bet like that then you can't be really surprised when it doesn't work out and you end up falling flat.
 
2012-11-26 09:32:00 AM

UberDave: "We have not been contacted by the White House," Thomas J. Donohue, president of the chamber, told reporters at a press conference Nov. 13. "


Oh, you'll be contacted. Just don't be surprised when you hear Nelson Muntz on the other end of the line.


Please hold for the President

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2012-11-26 09:32:41 AM
It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.
 
2012-11-26 09:33:05 AM

Headso: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.

If you repeat republican talkingpoints/propaganda like they are actually true you should be fired from your job. It shows that you don't have a firm grasp on reality and someone that out of touch is a danger when making decisions.


Why? It's not like the guy is a non-partisan think tanker. He's a lobbyist. He wants businesses to send him money rather than spend money on healthcare on their employees. If the business owner is too stupid to realize this, then he's f*cked (as well as the rest of us).

"Obummer Fartbonghit is gonna rape yo jobs!" -USCC

"Take my money! I don't want to be raped!" -Business Owner
 
2012-11-26 09:34:49 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


Awwww. That's so cute. You think you have a grown-up opinion!
 
2012-11-26 09:36:27 AM

Weaver95:
3. be as neutral as possible.


Wouldn't that make you a really shiatty lobbyist? One would kinda hope you'd be unequivocally in favor of, y'know, whatever you're lobbying for.

//Maybe he meant nonpartisan? Lobbyists do tend to prefer buying folks on both sides of the aisle when they can. Not sure where the CoC lost track of that one.
 
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2012-11-26 09:36:54 AM

WorldCitizen: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.


yeah... i'm pretty sure that wasn't an actual thing.

if you are gonna be herping and derping i can see why the president might not take you seriously. not particularly shocking in all honesty.
 
2012-11-26 09:37:08 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


the US Chamber of Commerce was rabidly opposed to Obama. they didn't even pretend they were willing to talk compromise...then they worked hard as they could to get Republicans elected. What makes you think they have ANYTHING to offer Obama...? I am genuinely curious about your answer to this question.
 
2012-11-26 09:37:16 AM
Is this the same U.S. Chamber of Commerce that is actually run by billionaires in the Middle East?
 
2012-11-26 09:37:17 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


awwww, that's cute. You kids these days with your attempts at trolling. How adorable. You should go pull your head out of your ass and look some things up before you come back, but have fun! We won't keep your seat warm!
 
2012-11-26 09:39:46 AM
Yeah, the USCoC Didn't even have a rational argument, they just repeated overblown Republican talking points. They argued against any and all sensible regulation, and have been pushing an extreme supply-side position this whole time. How can Obama even work with that? They're not even arguing for businesses anymore, they're just stumping for corporate CEO's and executive pay.
 
2012-11-26 09:40:13 AM
USCoC: I'm sort of a big deal. I have many leather bound books and my chamber smells of rich mahogany.
 
2012-11-26 09:40:16 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.


You've got that backwards, actually.

"We got 98% of what we wanted." But no deal.
 
2012-11-26 09:40:28 AM
Donohue, who has led the chamber since 1997 and who tax filings show is compensated with about $5 million annually, showed defiance when asked by reporters how he would make his fiscal-cliff message heard if the administration doesn't listen.

"We have enough assets here, enough voice here, enough resources here that we can take care of ourselves," he said.


This gentleman sounds nervous. Hard to justify that kind of payout with the results he just got and a 25% dip in donations.
 
2012-11-26 09:40:29 AM

Jim_Callahan: Weaver95:
3. be as neutral as possible.

Wouldn't that make you a really shiatty lobbyist? One would kinda hope you'd be unequivocally in favor of, y'know, whatever you're lobbying for.

//Maybe he meant nonpartisan? Lobbyists do tend to prefer buying folks on both sides of the aisle when they can. Not sure where the CoC lost track of that one.


no, Dad meant you had to be neutral. non-partisan has a specific meaning among Republicans (i.e. STFU and do what we want) and made Democrats kinda skittish. he was a VERY big fan of being able to work both sides of the aisle and speak with Republicans AND Democrats in order to reach a consensus.
 
2012-11-26 09:41:10 AM
I didn't know much about the chamber when I applied ofr a job with them. They gathered all the local candidates in a room and proceeded to ramble on every right-wing conspiracy theory they think off.

One step up from the john birch society.

fark um
 
2012-11-26 09:41:19 AM
They should rename it The US Echo Chamber of Republican Talking Points
 
2012-11-26 09:44:33 AM
www.myfacewhen.net

Plutocrats shocked to find that actions have consequences.
 
2012-11-26 09:45:57 AM
And from the "If this were a Republican..." file.

It would be called asinine to exclude "important" groups in the discussion.
 
2012-11-26 09:46:41 AM

coeyagi: Headso: "The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.

If you repeat republican talkingpoints/propaganda like they are actually true you should be fired from your job. It shows that you don't have a firm grasp on reality and someone that out of touch is a danger when making decisions.

Why? It's not like the guy is a non-partisan think tanker. He's a lobbyist. He wants businesses to send him money rather than spend money on healthcare on their employees. If the business owner is too stupid to realize this, then he's f*cked (as well as the rest of us).

"Obummer Fartbonghit is gonna rape yo jobs!" -USCC

"Take my money! I don't want to be raped!" -Business Owner


The exact reason why is playing out in this story. These people operated like WND and Merkin Stinker are real and now they are shut out of the deal making process, the companies they represent now don't have the access they tried to purchase. If they operated using the real news and polls they wouldn't have been counting on a Romney landslide that would have them sitting pretty right now and they would have tempered their rhetoric and spending.
 
2012-11-26 09:47:25 AM
The same COC that actively helps businesses ship jobs overseas?
 
2012-11-26 09:50:23 AM
So, what happens? Israel is still your boss.
 
2012-11-26 09:51:34 AM

randomjsa: And from the "If this were a Republican..." file.

It would be called asinine to exclude "important" groups in the discussion.


I think Obama has this one right - you have to acknowledge Republican beliefs, but you don't have to respect them. I accept that the GOP believes Obama is the anti-christ, but I don't respect their belief because it's f*cking stupid.
 
2012-11-26 09:54:18 AM
"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said.


Oh, if only that were true. Republicans are cravenly pro-business and Democrats are guiltily pro-business. Were they not bought off or ideologically blinkered, they'd be pro-market which is markedly distinct from the crony capitalism we now practice.
 
2012-11-26 09:54:43 AM
"We have absolute access to what happens in the Congress," Donohue said.

And that's one of the problems, asshole.
 
2012-11-26 09:55:12 AM

Weaver95: no, Dad meant you had to be neutral. non-partisan has a specific meaning among Republicans (i.e. STFU and do what we want) and made Democrats kinda skittish. he was a VERY big fan of being able to work both sides of the aisle and speak with Republicans AND Democrats in order to reach a consensus.


I'm pretty sure that "nonpartisan" means "do whatever Republicans want" do Democrats too.
 
2012-11-26 09:55:33 AM
The Chamber of Commerce can go f*ck themselves.
 
2012-11-26 09:57:01 AM
Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.
 
2012-11-26 09:57:15 AM
When you go all out against a candidate like this, isn't that an implicit admission that you don't connect with their policy direction in any sense? So why should they be the least bit surprised that Obama isn't anxious to call on them to participate in policy talks, if they're so clearly 180 degrees apart?
 
2012-11-26 09:57:36 AM
When an association is a business group banding together it's just doing what is good for their members and lovers of capitalism. When an association is workers banding together for the good of the group, OMG!!! COMMIE PINKO UNIONS!
 
2012-11-26 09:58:42 AM

randomjsa: It would be called asinine to exclude "important" groups in the discussion.


You're a liar. The article clearly states that business interests are represented at the White House in this discussion and that many of the Chamber's client are represented because they simply switched allegiances to those groups that didn't take a 100% hostile approach to the sitting president.

But, okay, let's talk about republicans and their approach to fixing our current budgetary problems if you want. Specifically, let's talk about all those republicans that excluded one of only two options for fixing those problems solely because they signed some chubby guy's "pledge".
 
2012-11-26 10:00:02 AM

Bigdogdaddy: When an association is a business group banding together it's just doing what is good for their members and lovers of capitalism. When an association is workers banding together for the good of the group, OMG!!! COMMIE PINKO UNIONS!


Collectivism for the rich - Capitalism.

Collectivism for poor laborers - Communism.

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Next on Geraldo - why does my nose look like I stole it from Mr. Potatohead?
 
2012-11-26 10:01:17 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: randomjsa: It would be called asinine to exclude "important" groups in the discussion.

You're a liar. The article clearly states that business interests are represented at the White House in this discussion and that many of the Chamber's client are represented because they simply switched allegiances to those groups that didn't take a 100% hostile approach to the sitting president.

But, okay, let's talk about republicans and their approach to fixing our current budgetary problems if you want. Specifically, let's talk about all those republicans that excluded one of only two options for fixing those problems solely because they signed some chubby guy's "pledge".


There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.
 
2012-11-26 10:03:57 AM
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"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"
 
2012-11-26 10:06:55 AM

coeyagi:

There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.


oh I'm sure randomjsa watches these threads VERY closely...he's either unable or unwilling to defend his statements. which, when you think about it, is a subtle commentary on the Republican style of governance. show up, drop a talking point or three, then run away when people take your philosophy apart. then maybe claim victory a few days later.
 
2012-11-26 10:07:50 AM

coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.


The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?
 
2012-11-26 10:11:20 AM
"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"

1. No he didn't.
2. Even if he did, "criticizing" does not equal "holding in contempt".
 
2012-11-26 10:11:26 AM

miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.

The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?


Yet potatopoundsofcheese and rondomjsa are still here. They must be doing it pro boner.
 
2012-11-26 10:15:53 AM

WorldCitizen: And apparently they learned nothing as the derp is still strong with them.

FTFA: The chamber's place on the sidelines as of now shows Obama is "still in campaign mode," Jade West, senior vice president of government relations for the National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors, said in an interview. She said she views the chamber's spending against Democrats as "a chicken- and-egg situation."

"The president spent four years criticizing the business community," West said. "Why would the chamber not try to put someone in office who doesn't hold such contempt for business?"

He's still in campaign mode! (and so are we with our derptasticness).


Yes I remember how critical of business he was when he bailed out the financial sector, the auto industry, allowed Dodd-Frank to get watered down, oversaw a giant leap in the stock market and raised no one's taxes. But he said they had to pay their fair share and play by the same rules a lot in stump speeches, so obviously he hates capitalism.
 
2012-11-26 10:17:05 AM

Jackson Herring: Wow there is some serious PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAING going on in this thread. If you PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMAS actually believe what you are posting, then I don't know maybe ending it all is the only answer. Maybe you should at least take a break from posting? Call your mother or other loved one and tell them to have a great day.


Christ, I have NO idea what all this even means. . . .
 
2012-11-26 10:19:00 AM

miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.

The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?


well, I think the GOP got rocked back on it's pins pretty badly by Romney's loss. look, all the GOP data said Romney was gonna win in a landslide. the rank and file really believed that Obama was done. the election was merely a formality. they already planned the victory celebration. But then Romney lost, and not only lost but Obama won in a landslide. the GOP couldn't even pretend to claim that Obama doesn't have a mandate. then a whole bunch of issues turned against the GOP ideology (more states legalized pot and gay marriage) and several key races ended in Democratic victories. Allen West even lost to a moderate Democrat.

so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.
 
2012-11-26 10:20:33 AM
While the chamber promotes its own plan for reducing the U.S. budget deficit, including increased domestic energy production and building the Keystone XL pipeline,

Is there something I don't know about the Keystone XL, which allows canadian oil to pipe down to the gulf of mexico for shipping OUT of the US and around the globe, such that it would be a significant solution to our deficit?

Good for refineries I suppose, but likely will result in our own domestic oil prices going up if I understand correctly.


If I am correct, shouldn't every half-decent attempt at journalism be pointing that out instead of giving the talking point a pass? This isn't global-warming level science, this isn't the mysteries of a million-variable macro-economic prediction. This is one item with what should be a predictable outcome.


Domestic energy production through fracking I can see being something a business association should love. At least fracking results in a very direct reduction in energy costs relative to other countries and thus stems outsourcing if not potentially bringing some manufacturing back and creating a minor boom. But keystone? I'm not even against it so much as I am against all the bullshiat rhetoric. Build it or don't, that's fine, but let's not pretend its a solution to a problem.
 
2012-11-26 10:21:43 AM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: It is also Exhibit B about how the President can not work with people who have a different view than he has.

the US Chamber of Commerce was rabidly opposed to Obama. they didn't even pretend they were willing to talk compromise...then they worked hard as they could to get Republicans elected. What makes you think they have ANYTHING to offer Obama...? I am genuinely curious about your answer to this question.


They understand business far more than 0bama does.

Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.
 
2012-11-26 10:25:16 AM

Weaver95: miscreant: coeyagi: There is a 0.00000003% chance that he'll respond to you and is even still watching this thread after dropping a steaming pile of derp on it. You're not playing the odds right, friend.

The trolling quality really diminished after the Republicans got their asses handed to them. Maybe there's just no money left to pay the shills right now?

well, I think the GOP got rocked back on it's pins pretty badly by Romney's loss. look, all the GOP data said Romney was gonna win in a landslide. the rank and file really believed that Obama was done. the election was merely a formality. they already planned the victory celebration. But then Romney lost, and not only lost but Obama won in a landslide. the GOP couldn't even pretend to claim that Obama doesn't have a mandate. then a whole bunch of issues turned against the GOP ideology (more states legalized pot and gay marriage) and several key races ended in Democratic victories. Allen West even lost to a moderate Democrat.

so I think a lot of our local shills are stumbling around in shock and trying to wrap their heads around their losses. Any way you choose to look at this, the Republicans lost big. the ONLY thing that's good for the GOP is that they retained their majority in the House, but even there they lost ground. so they're trying to come to terms with a firm rejection by the electorate. I suspect that's what most of our GOP types here are doing - trying to figure out what it all means, how they lost and what they can do to get back in the game. they've retreated to stormfront.org, Freeperville and other 'safe' sites to lick their wounds and decide what to do next. once they figure out a new set of talking points they'll be back. first they'll send out scouts, then they'll send out organized patrols.


I honestly don't know what else they can do but be obstructionists. They are so used to it and we are so used to it now that it seems like the only play in the GOP playbook. No one on their side is showing any hint (other than Chambliss, and he'll be put back in line in a back door meeting) of relenting on the derp or backing down from obstructing sensible legilsation.

The talking point now is they didn't have a conservative enough candidate, so we have to wait until 2016 to see if they field a fundie derper like Santorum or back down and go safe with someone like Christie. The GOP, and the country, needs them to lose in 2014 and lose in 2016 with a fundie to prove that they need moderation and non-obstructionism. If they lose 3 elections in a row with different strategies, the only thing they have to fall back on is the one thing they haven't done yet - be non-assholes.
 
2012-11-26 10:25:39 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Besides, it isn't about offering things to 0bama. It is about solutions for the country. I think the sooner people like you realize that, the better off the country is.


I don't know why I'm responding to tenpondsofcheese, but I have to know. Let's assume that they don't realize that within the next four years. What do you do then?
 
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