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(NFL)   Baltimore Ravens Rice to the occasion on 4th & 29, while San Diego notches another come-from-ahead loss   (nfl.com) divider line 85
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2012-11-26 02:23:56 AM
Come-from-ahead loss

very nicely worded, Subby -kudos.
 
2012-11-26 08:35:25 AM
I really like Ray Rice but I needed the Chargers to win last night.

Was it Norv or was it Rivers?
 
2012-11-26 08:35:52 AM
While Ray Rice's run did me in for the season in fantasy football, it was well worth it to see the butthurt in San Diego reach such epic proportions.
 
2012-11-26 08:39:07 AM

Frederick: Come-from-ahead loss

very nicely worded, Subby -kudos.


I'm just glad that the Lions stopped doing this and went back to the traditional way of getting beaten
 
2012-11-26 09:08:13 AM
"Baltimore Ravens Rice to the occasion" hurt my head before I realize it was a pun.
 
2012-11-26 09:08:27 AM

doyner: While Ray Rice's run did me in for the season in fantasy football, it was well worth it to see the butthurt in San Diego reach such epic proportions.


As a Bronco's fan I was torn. The comically awesome failure of this one play versus it cementing the fact that the Owner might actually now hire competent management/coaching.
 
2012-11-26 09:14:24 AM
/Packer fans shake their heads knowingly.
 
2012-11-26 09:16:24 AM
I was asleep for this, so I only now hearing about it. Are you farking kidding me, Norvelle?
 
2012-11-26 09:20:21 AM
www.examiner.com

Norv, I tell you this, and you can quote me: Norv is the Master of Panic. I've seen it. He's the certified Master Of Panic. Write it down. Print it.
 
2012-11-26 09:28:24 AM
How in the HELL does Norv Turner still have a job this morning?
 
2012-11-26 09:29:41 AM
Norv, his head upon a stake.

cdn.head-fi.org

When the Bolts fell.
 
2012-11-26 09:31:18 AM

doyner: While Ray Rice's run did me in for the season in fantasy football, it was well worth it to see the butthurt in San Diego reach such epic proportions.


That run is what put me over my opponent this week and cinched me in the playoffs. I was a very happy Ravens fan yesterday.
 
2012-11-26 09:32:49 AM

Gonz: How in the HELL does Norv Turner still have a job this morning?


It's the NFL, where experience means nothing, and team owners are apparently fooled by simple Jedi mind tricks. This is why Norv and Marty Schottenheimer will always find a team to shiat the bed, and soon enough another Jimmy Clausen/Curtis Painter/Caleb Hanie will be drafted and make more than any of his respected team's fans will ever see.
 
2012-11-26 09:39:04 AM
www.examiner.com

"Miss Me Yet?"

//Shamelessly hotlinked
 
2012-11-26 09:41:46 AM
For every brilliant Ozzie Newsome move, there's Harbaugh NOT giving Ray Rice 25 to 30 touches a game.

He has arguably the best all-around, pound for pound back in football. It just makes me boggle.
 
2012-11-26 09:41:48 AM
that's pretty funny shiat. Nothing was more awesome than the weapons-grade fail by the Steelers though.
 
2012-11-26 09:44:50 AM

doyner: While Ray Rice's run did me in for the season in fantasy football, it was well worth it to see the butthurt in San Diego reach such epic proportions.


Unfortunately didn't help me enough. Stupid Seahawks playing keep-away-from-Thigpen and goddamnedmuthafarkin BREESUS FARK YOU FOR THROWING TWO PICK SIXES WHEN I HAVE THE NINERS D ON THE BENCH!


...okay I'm better now.
 
2012-11-26 09:46:01 AM
Gotta hand it to Schwartz and Norv, they not only pissed off their own fan bases but they're also being cursed by fans in New England and Denver. Houston and Baltimore both losing would have made the top of the AFC playoff race a lot more interesting to say the least. On the other hand, hosting Indy, Pittsburgh, Cincy or Miami in the first round is going to be as close to a bye as you can get for the three and four seeds in the AFC, so I guess there isn't as much gnashing of teeth as there could be this morning.

/It's the most wonderful time of the year
 
2012-11-26 09:47:00 AM

EyeballKid: Gonz: How in the HELL does Norv Turner still have a job this morning?

It's the NFL, where experience means nothing, and team owners are apparently fooled by simple Jedi mind tricks. This is why Norv and Marty Schottenheimer will always find a team to shiat the bed, and soon enough another Jimmy Clausen/Curtis Painter/Caleb Hanie will be drafted and make more than any of his respected team's fans will ever see.


Yeah, but Marty takes teams that are absolute trash and gets them to the conference championship and then can't get over the hump. Turner takes teams that have talent and turns them into absolute trash. He's like a reverse George Allen.
 
2012-11-26 09:59:20 AM

EyeballKid: Gonz: How in the HELL does Norv Turner still have a job this morning?

It's the NFL, where experience means nothing, and team owners are apparently fooled by simple Jedi mind tricks. This is why Norv and Marty Schottenheimer will always find a team to shiat the bed, and soon enough another Jimmy Clausen/Curtis Painter/Caleb Hanie will be drafted and make more than any of his respected team's fans will ever see.


Um...Clausen was a 2nd round pick, Painter a 6th, and Hanie went undrafted. Clausen was the only one with any semblance of expectations in that group. The draft is mostly a lottery, anyway, and is littered with "sure fire, can't miss" prospects that fizzle out. There is only so much you can measure in a draftee before you rely in guesswork. 

Norv is an excellent offensive coach, but can't be a headcoach. Schottenheimer is a very good coach; he just panics in the playoffs and tries to coast when he gets ahead (re:Martyball). There are probably a dozen fanbases that would take Schottenheimer's choking in the playoffs over the current situation of annual 4-12 shiat teams.
 
2012-11-26 10:02:50 AM

UNC_Samurai: EyeballKid: Gonz: How in the HELL does Norv Turner still have a job this morning?

It's the NFL, where experience means nothing, and team owners are apparently fooled by simple Jedi mind tricks. This is why Norv and Marty Schottenheimer will always find a team to shiat the bed, and soon enough another Jimmy Clausen/Curtis Painter/Caleb Hanie will be drafted and make more than any of his respected team's fans will ever see.

Yeah, but Marty takes teams that are absolute trash and gets them to the conference championship and then can't get over the hump. Turner takes teams that have talent and turns them into absolute trash. He's like a reverse George Allen.


Marty went .500 with the Redskins, and had swaggering badass teams with: the Chargers, the Chiefs, and the Browns.

That's beyond coaching with a slight degree of difficulty. That's proof that the man's a wizard.
 
2012-11-26 10:03:40 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: doyner: While Ray Rice's run did me in for the season in fantasy football, it was well worth it to see the butthurt in San Diego reach such epic proportions.

As a Bronco's fan I was torn. The comically awesome failure of this one play versus it cementing the fact that the Owner might actually now hire competent management/coaching.


Please. From the franchise geniuses that knowingly hired Martin Schottenheimer? And chose Phil Rivers over Breesus? And let LaDanaian Tomlinson go 2 or 3 years early (as well as giving him LT's nickname, an offense the football gods may forgive by 2030)?

They'll let Norv go, but say hello to your 2013 Whale Vaginas coach Art Shell.
 
2012-11-26 10:09:50 AM

Gonz: Marty went .500 with the Redskins


Yeah, I almost forgot about that season.

One season. And he was trying to clean up WHOSE mess?

/and then Snyder In His Infinite Wisdom fired him and replaced him with the Ol' Ball Coach
 
2012-11-26 10:22:26 AM
Speaking as a Ravens fan, given that Rice was holding the ball at about level with his shoulders, there is no way that he is tall enough for the ball to be past the 34 when his knee touched the ground prior to the 35. But, it is common for the refs to give a player an extra half yard or so of forward progress on a given play.
 
2012-11-26 10:25:04 AM

Dr Dreidel: And chose Phil Rivers over Breesus?


I hate the Chargers, but you couldn't find 10 people when Brees went down with that injury that were confident he'd return in ample time, let alone become better than ever. Anyone who says "they knew Brees would be fine" is full of sh*t.

There's a reason why only two teams were seriously pursuing Brees when he became available. Hell, Peyton Manning is 63 years old, didn't even f*cking play last year, and still had half the league chasing him this offseason. There were THAT many doubts about Brees; not so much on his talent but his health.
 
2012-11-26 10:25:50 AM

Gonz: How in the HELL does Norv Turner still have a job this morning?


I've been asking that Question every day for the last 3 years.
 
2012-11-26 10:29:12 AM
I really hope all the division leaders continue to win out, it's fun watching ESPN flail about trying to generate excitement when most of the playoffs are already set.
 
2012-11-26 10:29:54 AM
What's even more hilarious is that Pittsburgh lost to Shurmur.
 
2012-11-26 10:31:26 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: doyner: While Ray Rice's run did me in for the season in fantasy football, it was well worth it to see the butthurt in San Diego reach such epic proportions.

As a Bronco's fan I was torn. The comically awesome failure of this one play versus it cementing the fact that the Owner might actually now hire competent management/coaching.


I, too, as a Broncos fan was torn, but for different reasons: watching the Chargers lose is always enjoyable, but we've pretty much knocked them out for the season. Baltimore losing would have been most helpful to our potential playoff seeding, especially since we've lost to Houston and New England.

Still, Phillip Rivers butthurt is always worth the price of admission.
 
2012-11-26 10:34:17 AM

SlothB77: Speaking as a Ravens fan, given that Rice was holding the ball at about level with his shoulders, there is no way that he is tall enough for the ball to be past the 34 when his knee touched the ground prior to the 35. But, it is common for the refs to give a player an extra half yard or so of forward progress on a given play.


Even if they spot the ball at the 34, he still had the first down.
 
2012-11-26 10:34:51 AM

Dr Dreidel: They'll let Norv go, but say hello to your 2013 Whale Vaginas coach Art Shell.


I would buy Charger season tickets to make this happen.

And I'm a Bronco fan living in Dallas.
 
2012-11-26 10:36:21 AM

Dr Dreidel:
Please. From the franchise geniuses that knowingly hired Martin Schottenheimer? And chose Phil Rivers over Breesus? And let LaDanaian Tomlinson go 2 or 3 years early (as well as giving him LT's nickname, an offense the football gods may forgive by 2030)?

They'll let Norv go, but say hello to your 2013 Whale Vaginas coach Art Shell.


Quick quiz: Without looking, which stats were the first four years as a starter for which quarterback (Brees or Rivers)

Year 1: 61.7% completion %, 22/9 TD:Int, 7.4 Y/A, 92.0 QB Rating vs 60.8% completion %, 17/16 TD:Int, 6.2 Y/A, 76.9 QB Rating
Year 2: 60.2% completion %, 21/15 TD:Int, 6.9 Y/A, 82.4 QB Rating vs 57.6% completion %, 11/15 TD:Int, 5.9 Y/A, 67.5 QB Rating
Year 3: 65.3% completion %, 34/11 TD:Int, 8.4 Y/A, 105.5 QB Rating vs 65.5% completion %, 27/7 TD:Int, 7.9 Y/A, 104.8 QB Rating
Year 4: 65.2% completion %, 28/9 TD:Int, 8.8 Y/A, 104.4 QB Rating vs 64.6% completion %, 24/15 TD:Int, 7.2 Y/A, 89.2 QB Rating

Brees had two atrocious seasons, one great season, and one good season (in which he regressed) in San Diego before tearing his labrum and the longevity of his arm was doubted. Lets not pretend that he was a top 5 quarterback his whole time with the Chargers. And top 5 draftees, at the time, made a crippling amount of money for teams. Brees is an excellent QB, but to claim the Chargers made a terrible judgement at the time is silly.

Also, LDT was released after his age-30 season in which his Y/A was 3.3, and he had regressed from his peak for three straight years and had injury concerns. He was a 3rd down back at that point, not a starter.

/I dislike the Chargers and pout-face, but they are far from the terrible organization they used to be
 
2012-11-26 10:42:06 AM
That run by Rice was epic. Great block by Boldin - in that type of situation are you allowed to block in the back because if that was a kickoff or punt, that was a flag-worthy block? That conversion should just never happen.

Smart play by Flacco for not forcing something and giving his stud RB a chance to make a play.
 
2012-11-26 10:43:03 AM

Dr Dreidel: And chose Phil Rivers over Breesus? And let LaDanaian Tomlinson go 2 or 3 years early (as well as giving him LT's nickname, an offense the football gods may forgive by 2030)?


More uneducated opinion.

Actually, they gave Tomlinson too many years, which cost them both Turner and Sproles. It's an understandable move in that you don't get rid of the guy who was with the franchise when they were actually sh*t-awful and just posted back-to-back Pro Bowl years...but they didn't heed what happened with Shaun Alexander when he got paid big bucks later in his career, and they got two more years of Tomlinson at sub-4.0 YPC.

And when you have two great QBs, and one tears his shoulder up in what was considered a potential career-ending injury in his last game of the season and his contract is up...well, you're probably not going to go sign him to a long-term deal. Also, he wouldn't have done nearly as well in San Diego as he has in New Orleans.

They hired Marty Schottenheimer when the franchise was 5-11 the previous year and hadn't had a winning season since 1995. Schottenheimer posted one losing season in five - his second year.

The problem comes from the front office that IS stupid, but not for any of the reasons you're giving.
 
2012-11-26 10:43:04 AM
Offensive Genius
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2012-11-26 10:48:14 AM

Killer Cars: Dr Dreidel: And chose Phil Rivers over Breesus?

I hate the Chargers, but you couldn't find 10 people when Brees went down with that injury that were confident he'd return in ample time, let alone become better than ever. Anyone who says "they knew Brees would be fine" is full of sh*t.

There's a reason why only two teams were seriously pursuing Brees when he became available. Hell, Peyton Manning is 63 years old, didn't even f*cking play last year, and still had half the league chasing him this offseason. There were THAT many doubts about Brees; not so much on his talent but his health.


That's more a slam on Rivers than it is White-Knighting Brees. Maybe it's residual ACC-hate, or his getting caught in the Eli-play-where-Eli-wanna-play thing (which is the reason Elisha Manning will never have my support - a crushing blow to his ego, I'm sure), or his Favresque support (have we all forgotten his INT from last week ALREADY?), but I really dislike Phil Rivers.
 
2012-11-26 10:53:01 AM
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2012-11-26 10:56:46 AM

tnpir: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: doyner: While Ray Rice's run did me in for the season in fantasy football, it was well worth it to see the butthurt in San Diego reach such epic proportions.

As a Bronco's fan I was torn. The comically awesome failure of this one play versus it cementing the fact that the Owner might actually now hire competent management/coaching.

I, too, as a Broncos fan was torn, but for different reasons: watching the Chargers lose is always enjoyable, but we've pretty much knocked them out for the season. Baltimore losing would have been most helpful to our potential playoff seeding, especially since we've lost to Houston and New England.

Still, Phillip Rivers butthurt is always worth the price of admission.


Watching them blow a lead is always just delicious. I figure it is a foregone conclusion that they will not get a first round bye due to the tiebreakers so it doesn't matter much 3rd vs 4th...right now a toss up between indy and the bengals if Ben doesn't return.
 
2012-11-26 10:59:37 AM

SlothB77: Smart play by Flacco for not forcing something and giving his stud RB a chance to make a play.


I don't care if Rice converted that 4th down, that was still an awful decision by Flacco.
 
2012-11-26 11:06:26 AM

facisto: SlothB77: Smart play by Flacco for not forcing something and giving his stud RB a chance to make a play.

I don't care if Rice converted that 4th down, that was still an awful decision by Flacco.


Falco Flacco! If I had wanted Cochran Rice to have the ball I would've called it that way!

/What I pictured in my head when watching the play.
 
2012-11-26 11:06:58 AM

xaks: For every brilliant Ozzie Newsome move, there's Harbaugh NOT giving Ray Rice 25 to 30 touches a game.


For the ump millionth time: Cameron calls the plays, not Harbaugh. And the Ravens are 4-1 in game where Rice didn't get 20 touches this season, with the one loss being the blowout in Houston.

SlothB77: Great block by Boldin - in that type of situation are you allowed to block in the back because if that was a kickoff or punt, that was a flag-worthy block?


The block was legal on any play. Boldin came in from the side and got under the defender's shoulder pad.

degenerate-afro: Even if they spot the ball at the 34, he still had the first down.


They did spot the ball at the 34; apparently an NFL regulation football is now 18 inches long, because after announcing it would be spotted at the 33 1/2 one end was on the 34.

Still confused as to why it took so long to declare the first down. I understand that play was basically the ball game, but from the way the head official made the announcement ("The ball placement was incorrect, however (emphasis his)...") it was obvious that he knew it would still result in a first.
 
2012-11-26 11:09:11 AM

tnpir: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: doyner: While Ray Rice's run did me in for the season in fantasy football, it was well worth it to see the butthurt in San Diego reach such epic proportions.

As a Bronco's fan I was torn. The comically awesome failure of this one play versus it cementing the fact that the Owner might actually now hire competent management/coaching.

I, too, as a Broncos fan was torn, but for different reasons: watching the Chargers lose is always enjoyable, but we've pretty much knocked them out for the season. Baltimore losing would have been most helpful to our potential playoff seeding, especially since we've lost to Houston and New England.

Still, Phillip Rivers butthurt is always worth the price of admission.


Ha! This is exactly how we felt about you and Cutler. Maybe the Chargers can have a future HoF QB fall in their lap a few years down the road?

I thought Rivers played pretty well considering the fact that O-line. Hell, on several plays he didn't even have time to throw an interception.

/fourth and farking 29.
//nice block in the back to take Weddle out of the game Bouldin.
///waaaah.
 
2012-11-26 11:10:59 AM

facisto: I don't care if Rice converted that 4th down, that was still an awful decision by Flacco.


Rice was not Flacco's first or even second choice; those were covered. He saw Rice all alone in the flat and the defense backed up 20 yards downfield & realized that the smart play was to dump it off to his playmaker and let Rice work it in the open field. It was a very intelligent decision by Flacco, and a vastly better one than trying to force the ball to Smith or Boldin in double coverage.
 
2012-11-26 11:27:19 AM

The Slush: [i.imgur.com image 500x456]


C'mon, man. If you're gonna post it, go full on with it!
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2012-11-26 11:29:54 AM

Kornchex: Ha! This is exactly how we felt about you and Cutler. Maybe the Chargers can have a future HoF QB fall in their lap a few years down the road?


Oh, I'm well aware of that, and it used to piss me the f*ck off that your whiny emo biatch QB always seemed to get the better of our whiny emo biatch QB.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: say what you will about Josh McDaniels (and I certainly have), but shipping Cutler's crybaby ass out of Denver was the best thing that asshole ever did for the Denver Broncos.
 
2012-11-26 12:03:19 PM

Harv72b: facisto: I don't care if Rice converted that 4th down, that was still an awful decision by Flacco.

Rice was not Flacco's first or even second choice; those were covered. He saw Rice all alone in the flat and the defense backed up 20 yards downfield & realized that the smart play was to dump it off to his playmaker and let Rice work it in the open field. It was a very intelligent decision by Flacco, and a vastly better one than trying to force the ball to Smith or Boldin in double coverage.


Asking your RB to successfully make a 28 yard run after a 1-yard dump-off seems far less likely than asking Anquan Boldin or Torrey Smith to make a play in coverage. It was a bad decision vindicated by the most improbable and awesome runs after catches in recent history. Rice is a monster and he is clutch. Flacco threw up the white flag.
 
2012-11-26 12:10:02 PM

facisto: Harv72b: facisto: I don't care if Rice converted that 4th down, that was still an awful decision by Flacco.

Rice was not Flacco's first or even second choice; those were covered. He saw Rice all alone in the flat and the defense backed up 20 yards downfield & realized that the smart play was to dump it off to his playmaker and let Rice work it in the open field. It was a very intelligent decision by Flacco, and a vastly better one than trying to force the ball to Smith or Boldin in double coverage.

Asking your RB to successfully make a 28 yard run after a 1-yard dump-off seems far less likely than asking Anquan Boldin or Torrey Smith to make a play in coverage. It was a bad decision vindicated by the most improbable and awesome runs after catches in recent history. Rice is a monster and he is clutch. Flacco threw up the white flag.


For almost any other RB, I'd agree, but Ray Rice has done this (well, not "4th-and-29" this, but damn near) far too many times for it to be a total surprise.

AP, Forte, maybe Sproles (vintage Sproles, on a good day), and...?

// maybe Reggie Bush, now that he's started to show why he was supposed to be #1 overall
 
2012-11-26 12:12:52 PM
Um no, it was a stupid decision by Flacco that he got bailed out on by Rice and by San Diego's desperate attempts to get Norv fired that the front office keeps ignoring. But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB.
 
2012-11-26 12:33:13 PM

facisto: Asking your RB to successfully make a 28 yard run after a 1-yard dump-off seems far less likely than asking Anquan Boldin or Torrey Smith to make a play in coverage. It was a bad decision vindicated by the most improbable and awesome runs after catches in recent history. Rice is a monster and he is clutch. Flacco threw up the white flag.


IAmRight: Um no, it was a stupid decision by Flacco that he got bailed out on by Rice and by San Diego's desperate attempts to get Norv fired that the front office keeps ignoring. But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB.


I get it. If Flacco throws into double- or triple-coverage and the ball is batted away or deflected then he choked with the game on the line. If Boldin or Torrey Smith goes up over two defensive backs and makes in improbable catch, Flacco was an idiot for throwing it and got bailed out by his receiver. If he dumps it off to a wide-open receiver who is arguably the best open-field runner on the team and gets the first down, it was a stupid decision. Did I miss any scenarios?
 
2012-11-26 12:38:52 PM

IAmRight: Um no, it was a stupid decision by Flacco that he got bailed out on by Rice and by San Diego's desperate attempts to get Norv fired that the front office keeps ignoring. But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB.


At this point, I'm ready for them to lose out (except for the Oakland game of course) and get better picks to rebuild that line. Is that stupid logic?

I can only hope they don't hire the wrong guy. Is it worth giving Bilick another shot?
 
2012-11-26 12:39:50 PM

Harv72b: Did I miss any scenarios?


The one where he throws it short on a 4th down play and, like should have happened, he gets stopped, he's an idiot for throwing a pass with virtually zero chance to gain a first down.

The deep passes all had better odds of making it, especially if you factor in potential penalties (almost all of which would be likely to have to occur for Rice to get there - fortunately the refs just ignored the blocks in the back, while a deeper pass is more likely to incur a pass interference, hold, or illegal contact on the defense, all of which result in automatic first downs).

But yes, because he got lucky with a stupid play means it was the right decision. Just like, say, throwing a slant with 3 seconds left in a game from the 50 is a smart play "because he's open."
 
2012-11-26 12:44:02 PM

IAmRight: Um no, it was a stupid decision by Flacco that he got bailed out on by Rice and by San Diego's desperate attempts to get Norv fired that the front office keeps ignoring. But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB.


I'm curious as to what your NFL QB ratings are overall.

Peyton
Brady
Brees
Eli
Rodgers
Ryan
Griffin
Stafford
Schaub
Flacco
Cutler
Rivers
Dalton
Newton
Romo
Smith/Kappernick
Luck
Tannehill
Wilson
Ponder
Freeman
Palmer
Bradford
Locker
Weeden
Fitzpatrick
Lindley
Quinn
Henne
Sanchez
Batch
Foles

Does that look about right?
This does not match my personal rankings, but I'm trying to guess around where you believe Flacco would fall for you to say "But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB".

Maybe you have him more around the Henne, Sanchez, Batch level?
 
2012-11-26 12:50:48 PM

Harv72b: facisto: Asking your RB to successfully make a 28 yard run after a 1-yard dump-off seems far less likely than asking Anquan Boldin or Torrey Smith to make a play in coverage. It was a bad decision vindicated by the most improbable and awesome runs after catches in recent history. Rice is a monster and he is clutch. Flacco threw up the white flag.

IAmRight: Um no, it was a stupid decision by Flacco that he got bailed out on by Rice and by San Diego's desperate attempts to get Norv fired that the front office keeps ignoring. But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB.

I get it. If Flacco throws into double- or triple-coverage and the ball is batted away or deflected then he choked with the game on the line. If Boldin or Torrey Smith goes up over two defensive backs and makes in improbable catch, Flacco was an idiot for throwing it and got bailed out by his receiver. If he dumps it off to a wide-open receiver who is arguably the best open-field runner on the team and gets the first down, it was a stupid decision. Did I miss any scenarios?


Yes, a pass interference penalty on a deep throw, which is probably the most probable positive play for the Ravens and another reason Flacco shouldn't have dumped it off. Pass interference on 4th and 29, you ask? Well of course, it's ridiculously unlikely. But picking up the first on 4th and 29 is ridiculously unlikely no matter what the QB does. Picking up the first on a deep throw is somewhat less unlikely than converting the way they actually did.

You don't really believe anyone would think missing on a 4th and 29 throw = choking with the game on the line, do you?
 
2012-11-26 12:52:00 PM

degenerate-afro: Does that look about right?
This does not match my personal rankings, but I'm trying to guess around where you believe Flacco would fall for you to say "But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB".


Well, given the lack of a track record for a lot of QBs, it's tough to say. I don't think I'd have Flacco in my top 10. But I can't really justifiably put people I want to put ahead of him yet. Also, I'd have Newton way lower. Freeman probably higher. Waiting for some more performances, but think Luck and Wilson will be ahead of Flacco soon. Would probably put him somewhere near Romo but probably give him the edge due to the team around him, which is kinda unfair to Romo, but such is life.

I suppose I should probably say he qualifies as good if by good we accept "a bit above average". He's certainly not near as good as he thinks he is.
 
2012-11-26 12:57:07 PM

degenerate-afro: This does not match my personal rankings, but I'm trying to guess around where you believe Flacco would fall for you to say "But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB".

Maybe you have him more around the Henne, Sanchez, Batch level?


Freeman needs to be much farther up on that list.

/Flacco's an ok QB. Not too great, not too bad
 
2012-11-26 12:58:54 PM

IAmRight: The deep passes all had better odds of making it, especially if you factor in potential penalties (almost all of which would be likely to have to occur for Rice to get there - fortunately the refs just ignored the blocks in the back, while a deeper pass is more likely to incur a pass interference, hold, or illegal contact on the defense, all of which result in automatic first downs).


The refs weren't calling anything on that last drive, save for the phantom hold against Yanda which backed Baltimore up into that situation in the first place. So throwing it deep and counting on a DPI or defensive holding is wishful thinking at best and just gets him a heap of criticism from people who can't accept that Flacco can ever make the right throw at the right time, even if they do somehow get the call. I have yet to see a single illegal block on that play, let alone more than one, by the way.

Face it: Flacco took the play that was open and it worked. Heaving up what would essentially have been a hail mary was not the right play. Getting the ball into the hands of your top playmaker is. This is Monday Morning Quarterbacking 101 stuff, and I'm shocked that even you would be so obstinate to deny it.
 
2012-11-26 01:01:55 PM

keypusher: You don't really believe anyone would think missing on a 4th and 29 throw = choking with the game on the line, do you?


Of course not. But I'm talking to the same people who thought Flacco choked in the AFC Championship game when he hit Lee Evans right in the hands with what would have been the game-winning touchdown.

Joe could go 30 for 30, 500 yards and 12 touchdowns in a game and there would be people attacking him for not throwing the ball away to avoid a first-quarter sack.
 
2012-11-26 01:04:30 PM

FreakinB: /Flacco's an ok QB. Not too great, not too bad


For whatever reason, this year his thing is winning on the road. He can (as he proved yesterday), but he just looks damned awful doing it. He doesn't make half his mistakes at home that he does on the road. But it is also very obvious that with that defense, anyone can look good. It's not something that an elite quarterback has a problem with.
 
2012-11-26 01:07:09 PM

Harv72b: If Flacco throws into double- or triple-coverage and the ball is batted away or deflected then he choked with the game on the line. If Boldin or Torrey Smith goes up over two defensive backs and makes in improbable catch, Flacco was an idiot for throwing it and got bailed out by his receiver. If he dumps it off to a wide-open receiver who is arguably the best open-field runner on the team and gets the first down, it was a stupid decision. Did I miss any scenarios?


Remember, they were playing the Chargers. If we had a time machine and a way to watch every possible scenario unfold I think 100% of the time the Chargers would blow it. We just happened to be in the universe where a dump off goes for 30 yards instead of the universe where Flacco heaves up a Hail Mary that gets tipped by a DB, caught by a Raven and taken in for a touchdown, or the universe where Flacco decides to pooch punt and the ball bounces off Norv's head (while he is standing on the field trying to get on the Jumbotron) and the ball is returned for a TD by the Ravens.
 
2012-11-26 01:11:03 PM

FriarReb98: But it is also very obvious that with that defense, anyone can look good.


Baltimore's defense is ranked 24th in the league. They are 26th against the rush and 23rd against the pass.
 
2012-11-26 01:13:47 PM

IAmRight: degenerate-afro: Does that look about right?
This does not match my personal rankings, but I'm trying to guess around where you believe Flacco would fall for you to say "But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB".

I don't think I'd have Flacco in my top 10.


You don't have to list them all, but give me up to the point you think Flacco is ranked. You can even skip the obvious 2 of Peyton, Brady, and Brees if you want to.
 
2012-11-26 01:14:25 PM

degenerate-afro: IAmRight: degenerate-afro: Does that look about right?
This does not match my personal rankings, but I'm trying to guess around where you believe Flacco would fall for you to say "But keep thinking Flacco's a good QB".

I don't think I'd have Flacco in my top 10.

You don't have to list them all, but give me up to the point you think Flacco is ranked. You can even skip the obvious 3 of Peyton, Brady, and Brees if you want to.


FTFM
 
2012-11-26 01:35:55 PM

degenerate-afro: You don't have to list them all, but give me up to the point you think Flacco is ranked. You can even skip the obvious 2 of Peyton, Brady, and Brees if you want to.


Like I said, I don't really have a ranking of 'em...I guess Flacco can be in the amorphous blob of about 10 guys behind the first group of Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning x 2.

I'm a lot more excited about Luck, Griffin, Wilson, and Kaepernick's futures, however. Ryan I'd have above him for sure but I'd like to see something in the postseason from him. Romo, Stafford, etc...I dunno, they put up pretty decent numbers and might be better QBs, but they don't have run games and they don't have teams that are as good.
 
2012-11-26 01:37:22 PM
No one snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like the San Diego Chokers.
 
2012-11-26 01:56:14 PM

tommyl66: Remember, they were playing the Chargers. If we had a time machine and a way to watch every possible scenario unfold I think 100% of the time the Chargers would blow it. We just happened to be in the universe where a dump off goes for 30 yards instead of the universe where Flacco heaves up a Hail Mary that gets tipped by a DB, caught by a Raven and taken in for a touchdown, or the universe where Flacco decides to pooch punt and the ball bounces off Norv's head (while he is standing on the field trying to get on the Jumbotron) and the ball is returned for a TD by the Ravens.


There are precious few posts which truly deserve both the "Smart" and "Funny" buttons. This was one of them. :)
 
2012-11-26 02:08:03 PM

macdaddy357: No one snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like the San Diego Chokers.


this is why i love football season. between the lions and the chargers, you know the LOLs are coming fast and furious. What a great week of football entertainment week 12 was. my favorite was still the sprinklers in miami, tho.
 
2012-11-26 02:14:05 PM

macdaddy357: No one snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like the San Diego Chokers.


At least they have a farking lead to blow. It could be worse. They could be the Chiefs or Raiders.
 
2012-11-26 02:20:15 PM

degenerate-afro: Does that look about right?


As a Ravens fan: Flacco is not a top 10 QB. I'm not sure how you can say he is. He's very inefficient, he has trouble making quick decisions, he often fails to check down when the long bomb isn't there. As a result he gets sacked a lot and his first down percentage is 26th in the league.

When he does manage to make a good decision and find an open guy he's great. He has a low number of interceptions and he is ranked in the top 10 for total yards as well as 3rd for both most completions over 20 and 40 yards. But he only has 14 TDs. What does that tell you? He can chuck the long ball, but the finesse game baffles him.

The fact is, Joe Flacco is most similar stat-wise to Carson Palmer. And in most cases, Carson Palmer has a slight edge. In your ranking you have Palmer 22nd. Why is that?
 
2012-11-26 02:20:47 PM

degenerate-afro: FriarReb98: But it is also very obvious that with that defense, anyone can look good.

Baltimore's defense is ranked 24th in the league. They are 26th against the rush and 23rd against the pass.


...and he doesn't look as good this year as he has in the past, does he?
 
2012-11-26 02:27:00 PM

Harv72b: IAmRight: The deep passes all had better odds of making it, especially if you factor in potential penalties (almost all of which would be likely to have to occur for Rice to get there - fortunately the refs just ignored the blocks in the back, while a deeper pass is more likely to incur a pass interference, hold, or illegal contact on the defense, all of which result in automatic first downs).

The refs weren't calling anything on that last drive, save for the phantom hold against Yanda which backed Baltimore up into that situation in the first place. So throwing it deep and counting on a DPI or defensive holding is wishful thinking at best and just gets him a heap of criticism from people who can't accept that Flacco can ever make the right throw at the right time, even if they do somehow get the call. I have yet to see a single illegal block on that play, let alone more than one, by the way.

Face it: Flacco took the play that was open and it worked. Heaving up what would essentially have been a hail mary was not the right play. Getting the ball into the hands of your top playmaker is. This is Monday Morning Quarterbacking 101 stuff, and I'm shocked that even you would be so obstinate to deny it.


When I saw the first replay, I thought it was a designed RB screen. All 4 receivers went deep, 40+ yards and all of linbackers/db's went with them. When Rice caught the ball, there was no one within 30 yards of him.

One cutback/missed tackle, and 1 block and it was a 30 yard gain.
 
2012-11-26 02:30:54 PM

Broktun: When I saw the first replay, I thought it was a designed RB screen. All 4 receivers went deep, 40+ yards and all of linbackers/db's went with them. When Rice caught the ball, there was no one within 30 yards of him.


But all the defenders have to do is be competent and try and they've got him stopped well before he gets to the first down. It's like getting a punt return that you have to take to the house at that point - they don't have to have someone on you as you're catching the ball, they just have to stay in their area and make a tackle, and they'll get him well before he ever gets the first down. 20 yards doesn't matter on that play.
 
2012-11-26 02:42:46 PM

Kornchex: macdaddy357: No one snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like the San Diego Chokers.

At least they have a farking lead to blow. It could be worse. They could be the Chiefs or Raiders.


The AFC west sucks out loud. Only one franchise is decent at the moment, and only after bottoming out with Tebow/McDaniels.

Raiders) dysfunctional with mostly old or injury-prone personnel, constant coaching turnover, and incompetent ownership
Chiefs) dysfunctional with mostly old or just bad personnel, poor coaching, and skinflint ownership/management
Chargers) dysfunctional with mostly good personnel, atrocious coaching, and skinflint ownership/management
Broncos) semi-competent with good personnel (after dropping Tebow), better-than-average coaching (after jettisoning McDaniels), and decent ownership

Way to set the world on fire, guys.
 
2012-11-26 02:50:07 PM

WinoRhino: As a Ravens fan: Flacco is not a top 10 QB.


I would put Flacco around the same level as a Matt Ryan or Matthew Stafford. Yes, both those guys tend to outperform him statistically on a year-by-year basis, but all three have the same problems with consistency and each fan base is still waiting to see their respective quarterback step up to the next level. If you put both Mannings, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and (arguably) Schaub above them, that makes Flacco a borderline top 10 if you discount the rookies. If you consider the performance so far & the upside that Andrew Luck & Robert Griffin III both possess, then Flacco probably drops out of the top 10.

Still, the fact of the matter is that Joe Flacco has been pretty much exactly the quarterback that the Baltimore Ravens have needed. Barring a total collapse down the stretch, this will mark 5 playoff appearances in his 5 seasons in the league...while you can certainly argue that Flacco didn't win the majority of those games, he didn't lose them either. And he has shown numerous times over his young career that he's capable of leading the big drive to close out a game. As a Ravens fan, you also have to admit that he's easily the best quarterback we've had thus far.
 
2012-11-26 04:07:49 PM

degenerate-afro: FriarReb98: But it is also very obvious that with that defense, anyone can look good.

Baltimore's defense is ranked 24th in the league. They are 26th against the rush and 23rd against the pass.


Red Zone defense is #1 in the league, I could care less about the yardage they give up, it's the points that count. 

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2012-11-26 04:21:07 PM

degenerate-afro: FriarReb98: But it is also very obvious that with that defense, anyone can look good.

Baltimore's defense is ranked 24th in the league. They are 26th against the rush and 23rd against the pass.


That should speak volumes as to how bad the Chargers' O line is.
 
2012-11-26 05:17:14 PM
Flacco is hampered by a deep ball offense (Thanks Cam) without an offensive line to support it. You can call it what you want, but our Offensive Line didn't all of a sudden play lights-out in the 4th Quarter, we just switched to throwing more short/medium routes instead of shooting for the moon each time. It's farking AMAZING how that works. Matt Birk is on his last leg, and it's tough for a deep ball passer to make a deep ball pass if his C is in his lap damn near every play.

Flacco is an enigma. Since he's been in the league he's got an insane win percentage, a record setting number of visits to the playoffs, and no SB Ring (or appearance). For his first four seasons, everyone screamed "Flacco sucks, it's his D that carries him". This season when the D sucks, it's "The D Sucks, but the Red Zone D is #1".

Flacco's a baller. Whatever you want to say about him the dude does what it takes to win. The guy is money when his back is to the wall. Is he top 10? No, but he's on the cusp. If he was just 75% as good on the road is he is at home, he'd easily be a top 10 QB.
 
2012-11-26 05:46:14 PM
I think we can all admit Joe is not the best QB in football, but there's only a handful of guys I'd replace him with:
Brady, Brees, Rogers, Manning(either), Roethlisberger, and Ryan. Shaub is a toss up.
 
2012-11-26 06:03:55 PM

WinoRhino: The fact is, Joe Flacco is most similar stat-wise to Carson Palmer. And in most cases, Carson Palmer has a slight edge. In your ranking you have Palmer 22nd. Why is that?


I see lots of complaining about a list that I stated was not my actual ranking, but I don't see your offering up your own list.

As for Flacco vs. Palmer.
Flacco 7 INT
Palmer 12 INT
Flacco 1 Fum Lost
Palmer 4 Fum Lost

Flacco protects the football much better than Palmer does.

I think you would be surprised by what my actual list would be (Eli and Cutler are lower and Schaub and Stafford are higher for example).

I was mainly trying to take a guess at where others would have certain people ranked based off of the amount of hype they receive on the forums. You very rarely hear anything about Palmer on the forums. I'd certainly rate Palmer above Luck (the 1:1 TD to INT ratio kills the Luck for me), but that's not what I was going for with those rankings.

Heck, I would even rate Mr. Butt-Fumble above Lindley and Cpt. Courageous.
 
2012-11-26 06:09:25 PM

degenerate-afro: I see a lot of complaining about a list that I stated was not my actual ranking, but I don't see you offering up your own list.

As for Flacco vs. Palmer.
Flacco 7 INT
Palmer 12 INT
Flacco 1 Fum Lost
Palmer 4 Fum Lost

Flacco protects the football much better than Palmer does.

I think you would be surprised by my actual list (Eli and Cutler are lower. Schaub and Stafford are higher for example).

I was mainly trying to guess where others would rank certain people based on the amount of hype they receive. You rarely hear anything about Palmer here. I would certainly rate Palmer higher than Luck (the 1:1 TD to INT ratio kills it for me), but that's not what I was going for with those rankings.

Heck, I would even rate Mr. Butt-Fumble above Lindley and Cpt. Courageous.


Fixed this to somewhat resemble the English language. Doing work and typing on the forums at the same time is not my forte.
 
2012-11-26 06:12:19 PM
WinoRhino: As a Ravens fan: Flacco is not a top 10 QB.

Climb back in your bottle, fool !

All Flacco has done is take the team to the playoffs every year he's been here. He's led the team to a 9-2 record that should be 10-1 ( if our ancient defense could've made a stop in Philly). He's the reason we're not a .500 team this year. His arm has carried this team several times this season.

My problem is with the offensive play calling. How can it make sense to hand the ball off 2 to 3 yards deep when it's 4th and inches. Your QB is 6'6"; bring the team to the line, have 'em go on first sound, and he falls forward for a first down. The complexion of the whole game might have changed. Unitas must've been rolling in his grave over that call !

Cam Cameron's problem is that everything's got to be complicated and a potential deep play. He just doesn't know how to run a simple play.
 
2012-11-26 06:25:49 PM

shanteyman: All Flacco has done is take the team to the playoffs every year he's been here. He's led the team to a 9-2 record that should be 10-1 ( if our ancient defense could've made a stop in Philly)


The defense wasn't even the problem in Philly. The play calling on third and short was atrocious. Hav will probably remember but there were at least four 3rd and 2 plays where instead of running Rice, they threw a 15 yard out rout. The exact same route every single time they were in 3rd and short. It was mind boggling. I believe the thing that was said to me at the time was "if you are going to revamp an offense, you might as well commit to it", but I'll be damned if running the same play that failed three times prior again is good play calling.

Actually, I just looked it up. The third quarter:
3rd and 2 at BAL 47 Shotgun pass to Pitta - INT
3rd and 2 at BAL 28 Shotgun pass to Dickson - Incomplete
3rd and 1 at 50 Shotgun pass to Boldin - Incomplete

The Fourth quarter:
3rd and 1 at BAL 46 Shotgun pass to Rice - Incomplete

That was the last drive of the game.
 
2012-11-26 07:04:49 PM

degenerate-afro: The play calling on third and short was atrocious.


I really do think that anything short of a Super Bowl Championship will lead to Cameron being fired. Or maybe we'll get lucky and some team will hire him away as a head coach (as if).
 
2012-11-26 09:16:18 PM
Which is higher? The number of leads blown by Norv Turner as a head coach in the NFL or the number of acne scars on his face?
 
2012-11-26 09:51:49 PM

John Buck 41: Which is higher? The number of leads blown by Norv Turner as a head coach in the NFL or the number of acne scars on his face?


Sadly I just realized he's just setting us all up. He's going to win out the rest of the games, then if Pitts and Cincy both lose one more. Bam. He's in the playoffs, and will get his first Super Bowl as the sixth seed.

/wish i were serious
//really, that's still a viable playoff scenario
///other Chargers opponents: The Jest, the Cam Newton Show, and the Raiders.
 
2012-11-26 11:52:48 PM

degenerate-afro: The defense wasn't even the problem in Philly. The play calling on third and short was atrocious. Hav will probably remember but there were at least four 3rd and 2 plays where instead of running Rice, they threw a 15 yard out rout. The exact same route every single time they were in 3rd and short. It was mind boggling. I believe the thing that was said to me at the time was "if you are going to revamp an offense, you might as well commit to it", but I'll be damned if running the same play that failed three times prior again is good play calling.


Well, the answer to that is easy. The Ravens coaching grabbed Andy Reid's playbook by mistake, and never realized it.
 
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