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(Salon)   Should churches be used as polling places? Probably not if they have banners hanging outside the entrance that read, "Strengthen Marriage, Don't Redefine It," in states voting on same-sex marriage laws   (salon.com) divider line 152
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2012-11-26 02:01:51 PM  

whistleridge: Unless doing so costs them their tax-exempt status and leads to their immediately having to pony up 30% of their income in direct taxation, plus having to complete an obscene amount of paperwork in triplicate. Then I'm all for it.

/ you act like a political organization, you need to be taxed like a political organization


Political organizations are also typically forbidden from advertising or advocating political positions within a certain distance of a polling place by electioneering law. I know in Texas it's 100 feet or so, and you can actually got to jail over it if you push it hard enough. No idea what the restriction is in any of the states with Gay Marriage referenda, but I'm betting there's at least a high-class misdemeanor in this.
 
2012-11-26 02:07:01 PM  
I'd have a bigger problem with this if the Christian church wasn't #1 in redefining marriage in the world, which in turn led to ever-increasing and historically-high rates of marriage dissolution. In light of that, signs like that aren't so much political statements as tacit admissions that church people are, in fact, complete assholes.

Churches still need to have tax exempt status universally revoked, though.
 
2012-11-26 02:09:16 PM  

wxboy: Do churches (and everywhere else) get paid for being a voting precinct?


Not where I live. It's just a public service, which is why your choices are limited to public buildings and churches.

\My new polling place was actually in a private school because there's no public buildings or even churches in the precinct. Both their facilities staff and the faculty whose building we were taking up were incredibly accommodating, and I suppose the kids got to see that the school values voting.
 
2012-11-26 02:10:42 PM  
I'm an agnostic and nonreligious. My polling place this year was a church.

I didn't note any overt or specific political messaging. There were crosses and few pieces of religious iconography on the wall, by they didn't bother me any more than the community activities bulletin board at the Senior Center that was my polling place in my old district. Which had roughly about the same amount of relevance and meaning to me personally.

Anyway, it's just a room with ballots and a voting machine in it. I don't much care where it is, as long as the poll workers are competent and the machines are working well.
 
2012-11-26 02:15:40 PM  

Cythraul: I guess I'm one of the few who has a problem with Churches being used as polling places. But it's done all over the place in the South East, and no one else seems to have a problem with it.


i guess you don't have a problem wtih this

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-mural-philadelphia-polling- p lace_661833.html
 
2012-11-26 02:19:19 PM  

Cythraul: I guess I'm one of the few who has a problem with Churches being used as polling places. But it's done all over the place in the South East, and no one else seems to have a problem with it.


With the size of some of the churches we have around here, it's possible the banner could have been 100 feet above the entrance of the polling location.
 
2012-11-26 02:20:31 PM  
Vote by mail biatches. No more polling place nonsense to deal with.
 
2012-11-26 02:21:43 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Diogenes: I don't think churches are the best option but I can live with it. Never had a problem when I had to vote at one.

In Oklahoma it's the best option. There is at least one on every street corner and they arnt doing anything during the week. Well maybe Wednesday night.

AA meetings?


Some protestant churches have become fond of midweek services.

\In my denomination it just seems to be the default choir rehearsal evening.
 
2012-11-26 02:26:00 PM  
because so many people are swayed to change their opinion on hot topic issues at the last minute thanks to a half-assedly slapped together message on a sign near the polling place.

let's be real here, people. there are plenty of reasons to think Churches are fronts for fraud and ridiculousness. This isn't really one of em.
 
2012-11-26 02:28:08 PM  
FTA: Reverend Patrick J. Driscoll, associate pastor defended the display in an email to TAI: "So that you know, that sign is up all year long. Life is precious and God's gift."

Unless you made fun of an old bald guy, and God sends bears to kill you...
...or you were one of the tend of thousands of people that lived in and around Sodom and Gemmorah
...or you were the first-born to any family in Egypt
...or you were anybody on the freaking planet who wasn't lucky enough to be related to Noah.

Based on the book, God's main gift is death.
 
2012-11-26 02:29:51 PM  
My polling place has been a middle school, built in the midst of heavy soccer mom turf so the parking is designed for lots of flow through and brief stops.

Most churches here (Dallas area) have either conventional parking lots or worse, haphazardly arranged parking.

With that in mind, maybe we should look into drive thru voting. Or Sonic style where a few dozen parking spaces are set up to vote. It's just a matter of having officials go from car to car to check ID's.
 
2012-11-26 02:29:58 PM  

Dr Dreidel: There are sects of believers who will not enter a church. Wouldn't that make this a potential problem of disenfranchisement? And in the Voting Rights Act-South, no less.


Do the votes of people who think that way really matter?
 
2012-11-26 02:32:46 PM  

Mija: You can't punish religious people for their right to have an opinion. They have just as much right as you do.


I agree. However, when a church applies for tax exempt status they agree to abide by certain rules. If they later choose to break those rules, they should lose their tax exempt status. If they don't like the rules they shouldn't agree to abide by them.
 
2012-11-26 02:33:45 PM  

havocmike: Dr Dreidel: There are sects of believers who will not enter a church. Wouldn't that make this a potential problem of disenfranchisement? And in the Voting Rights Act-South, no less.

Do the votes of people who think that way really matter?


We need not modify our legal codes to take every superstition into account.
 
2012-11-26 02:41:46 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Cythraul: I guess I'm one of the few who has a problem with Churches being used as polling places.

Like the stupid banners are going to change someone's minds right at the last minute?


Uh, that's not really the point.
 
2012-11-26 02:43:34 PM  

havocmike: Dr Dreidel: There are sects of believers who will not enter a church. Wouldn't that make this a potential problem of disenfranchisement? And in the Voting Rights Act-South, no less.

Do the votes of people who think that way really matter?


Yes, if they're citizens. They let crazy racists vote, too, right?

Leeds: We need not modify our legal codes to take every superstition into account.


But we should take care that our chosen lowest-common-denominator is not still disenfranchising people. We don't have to "account" for a "superstition" by saying that polling places are not places of worship and vice-versa. No one gets any special favors, and no one has to lose out.
 
2012-11-26 02:58:25 PM  
Only catholic churches should be used as polling places, because the fundies are scared to go in for fear of being molested by papists :p

Wasn't there a tempest-in-a-teacup over an inner city school that had a mural of President Obama in the polling area?
 
2012-11-26 03:22:23 PM  
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads"

Seems pretty clear to me. If you believe in the bible then you must believe in death to people who commit homosexual acts while lying down. It's OK to fish for brown trout doggy style or while standing up, but you really don't want to lie down and take it missionary because well-meaning people might need to kill you if you do that.

The other parts of Leviticus are to be taken as being just as relevant:

And the swine, because he parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, but cheweth not the cud, he is unclean unto you.

If a man goes to bed with her, and her menstrual flow touches him, he will be unclean seven days; and every bed he lies on will be unclean.

Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales-whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water-you are to regard as unclean. 11 And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean.

However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you.


You sick Hyrax eating mother farkers make me wanna puke. Die and go to hell immediately if not sooner.
 
2012-11-26 03:28:15 PM  

kid_icarus: Pretty much this. In a rural area, you pretty much have to pick between a church or the local elementary school.


And the local elementary schools tend to be in use on Tuesdays.
Of course, you can close the schools, but then you have the kids out of school, meaning parents have to take care of them, adding to the hassles for the parent voting.

serial_crusher: I'd greatly prefer it if they kept schools open on election day. Stop short changing our kids out of a day of education just because people were too lazy to go vote during the 2 week long early voting period prior to "election day".


The local school system rigs the school calendar to have one of the "teacher work days" (which they periodically have anyway) fall on election day.

stevenrushing: My problem comes with using schools as polling places. Midland Texas passed the largest school bond (property tax increase) in city history by plastering "Vote for better Schools, Vote for a better Midland" all over our schools as they were being used as polling places.


Yeah, that's also pretty sketchy.
 
2012-11-26 03:28:56 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads"

Seems pretty clear to me. If you believe in the bible then you must believe in death to people who commit homosexual acts while lying down. It's OK to fish for brown trout doggy style or while standing up, but you really don't want to lie down and take it missionary because well-meaning people might need to kill you if you do that.

The other parts of Leviticus are to be taken as being just as relevant:

And the swine, because he parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, but cheweth not the cud, he is unclean unto you.

If a man goes to bed with her, and her menstrual flow touches him, he will be unclean seven days; and every bed he lies on will be unclean.

Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales-whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water-you are to regard as unclean. 11 And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean.

However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you.

You sick Hyrax eating mother farkers make me wanna puke. Die and go to hell immediately if not sooner.


aha! Even the ancient Hebrews found those insipid Oreo knockoffs to be hateful unto the Lord's eyes
 
2012-11-26 03:29:43 PM  

skullkrusher: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: Sometimes, hyper-sensitive atheists remind me of people who are allergic to WiFi.

Because you have to be a "hyper-sensitive atheist" to have a problem with reactionary assholes electioneering at a polling place in the name of God, right?

No, you just need an over-active imagination.

So you didn't RTFA, then?

Yes, I did. My observation is not based solely upon this article, or upon the subject of electioneering.

Ah, so you're just threadjacking. Good to know.

Keep proving my point.

Perhaps you'd like to explain what your point is. Slowly. Like I'm an idiot. Because the only "point" I'm getting out of your posts is that you don't think that churches engage in electioneering when they host polling places, despite the fact that TFA cites several confirmed instances of them doing just that.

they clearly do - read the thread though. There are several instances where the mere fact that the polling place is a church bothers people. That's silly.


If a mosque was your designated polling place, how would you feel about that? How would the average Christian feel?
 
2012-11-26 03:31:21 PM  

Egalitarian: skullkrusher: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: Sometimes, hyper-sensitive atheists remind me of people who are allergic to WiFi.

Because you have to be a "hyper-sensitive atheist" to have a problem with reactionary assholes electioneering at a polling place in the name of God, right?

No, you just need an over-active imagination.

So you didn't RTFA, then?

Yes, I did. My observation is not based solely upon this article, or upon the subject of electioneering.

Ah, so you're just threadjacking. Good to know.

Keep proving my point.

Perhaps you'd like to explain what your point is. Slowly. Like I'm an idiot. Because the only "point" I'm getting out of your posts is that you don't think that churches engage in electioneering when they host polling places, despite the fact that TFA cites several confirmed instances of them doing just that.

they clearly do - read the thread though. There are several instances where the mere fact that the polling place is a church bothers people. That's silly.

If a mosque was your designated polling place, how would you feel about that? How would the average Christian feel?


I wouldn't care in the slightest - just as I don't care that I have to go to a godless den of socialist indoctrination currently
 
2012-11-26 03:47:07 PM  
I wouldn't care in the slightest - just as I don't care that I have to go to a godless den of socialist indoctrination currently

I assume you're trolling, since I've never heard of public school indoctrinating kids to be atheists. They just don't talk about religion, or at least they're not supposed to. Except for the Pledge of Allegiance, where I was forced to mouth "Under God" every day in junior high. That was very uncomfortable for a kid who didn't want to lie, but didn't want to get picked on for being different either.

And I presume you never went to school in the South or know anybody who has, because some Southern teachers let religious comments slip in with other inane junk. My World History teacher sang the praises of Jesus in between comments on the ancient Pyramids and their amazing measurements that matched this or that astronomical measurement times a random number.

Another teacher, I think she was Social Studies, was talking about forms of abuse and added that spiritual abuse was another form. "If you don't take your kids to church, you're abusing them." Soooo full of shiat. Hey my atheist parents didn't take me to church but at least they didn't abuse me. Which is more than you can say for a lot of church-going families, where sexual abuse and drunken beatings are rampant.
 
2012-11-26 03:50:46 PM  

HeartBurnKid: skullkrusher: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: Sometimes, hyper-sensitive atheists remind me of people who are allergic to WiFi.

Because you have to be a "hyper-sensitive atheist" to have a problem with reactionary assholes electioneering at a polling place in the name of God, right?

No, you just need an over-active imagination.

So you didn't RTFA, then?

Yes, I did. My observation is not based solely upon this article, or upon the subject of electioneering.

Ah, so you're just threadjacking. Good to know.

Keep proving my point.

Perhaps you'd like to explain what your point is. Slowly. Like I'm an idiot. Because the only "point" I'm getting out of your posts is that you don't think that churches engage in electioneering when they host polling places, despite the fact that TFA cites several confirmed instances of them doing just that.

they clearly do - read the thread though. There are several instances where the mere fact that the polling place is a church bothers people. That's silly.

I agree, that is silly. That's not what was claimed by BarkingUnicorn, however.


Right. I claimed that sometimes, hyper-sensitive atheists remind me of people who are allergic to WiFi. Then your over-active imagination took over, and here we are.
 
2012-11-26 03:55:19 PM  

Egalitarian: I assume you're trolling joking, since I've never heard of public school indoctrinating kids to be atheists.


there ya go

Egalitarian: And I presume you never went to school in the South or know anybody who has, because some Southern teachers let religious comments slip in with other inane junk. My World History teacher sang the praises of Jesus in between comments on the ancient Pyramids and their amazing measurements that matched this or that astronomical measurement times a random number.

Another teacher, I think she was Social Studies, was talking about forms of abuse and added that spiritual abuse was another form. "If you don't take your kids to church, you're abusing them." Soooo full of shiat. Hey my atheist parents didn't take me to church but at least they didn't abuse me. Which is more than you can say for a lot of church-going families, where sexual abuse and drunken beatings are rampant.


this has nothing to do with whether it's ok to use a church building as a polling place
 
2012-11-26 04:09:52 PM  
Why not? In PA they held a polling place where a huge mural of Obama was. HYPOCRITE much, Dems??????
 
2012-11-26 04:19:44 PM  

Egalitarian: If a mosque was your designated polling place, how would you feel about that? How would the average Christian feel?


I would imagine that for the average Christian it would provide their first glimpse into what's inside of a mosque. Sort of like a middle schooler seeing the inside of a women's room during remodeling.

It might be a step in the right direction to demystify each others' superstitions.
 
2012-11-26 04:20:38 PM  

Cythraul: I guess I'm one of the few who has a problem with Churches being used as polling places. But it's done all over the place in the South East, and no one else seems to have a problem with it.


I don't like it either, and never have. But then, I strongly dislike having to enter a church for any reason. I almost never go to weddings for that reason, unless they're held in someone's back yard or on the beach.

My local precinct is an elementary school. Before I moved to this house a few years ago, I voted at a fire station, ten feet from the big yellow pumper. Somehow, there's something intrinsically "American" about that. Almost Norman Rockwell-ish.
 
2012-11-26 04:26:40 PM  

mksmith: Cythraul: I guess I'm one of the few who has a problem with Churches being used as polling places. But it's done all over the place in the South East, and no one else seems to have a problem with it.

I don't like it either, and never have. But then, I strongly dislike having to enter a church for any reason. I almost never go to weddings for that reason, unless they're held in someone's back yard or on the beach.


You don't like it, but you don't shy away from voting just because of the surroundings, right?
 
2012-11-26 04:28:21 PM  
serial_crusher Don't really get why anybody would oppose early voting.

Republicans.

And you and I both know why they oppose it.
 
2012-11-26 04:31:06 PM  

serial_crusher: Don't really get why anybody would oppose early voting.


I'm in favor of it, too, for entirely practical reasons, . . . but there's something about joining the crowd (hopefully) at the poll for an event of national importance. Regardless of who they're voting for, most of the people at my precinct smile and nod at each other while they're standing in line. It's like they're all thinking, "We're all here to be Americans today!"

Yeah, I know, sounds sappy, but I'm perfectly serious. You should be proud to turn out with your fellow citizens to exercise your citizenship together. Voting by mail (or, eventually, online) certainly gets the job done -- but it's just not the same.
 
2012-11-26 04:33:41 PM  
If you're not "Open and Affirming" you're not a church, you're a collection of bigots.

You wouldn't allow Christ into your churches.

Pay taxes, shut down, go to Iran, drop dead; I don't care. Just stop pretending to be holy.
 
2012-11-26 04:53:05 PM  

skullkrusher: If a mosque was your designated polling place, how would you feel about that? How would the average Christian feel?

I wouldn't care in the slightest - just as I don't care that I have to go to a godless den of socialist indoctrination currently


You might not care but setting up a polling place at a mosque but it would go over about as a well as a shart in church for many right wingers. Look at the right wing New Yorkers flipping shiat over just building a mosque.
 
2012-11-26 04:53:58 PM  

Headso: skullkrusher: If a mosque was your designated polling place, how would you feel about that? How would the average Christian feel?

I wouldn't care in the slightest - just as I don't care that I have to go to a godless den of socialist indoctrination currently

You might not care but setting up a polling place at a mosque but it would go over about as a well as a shart in church for many right wingers. Look at the right wing New Yorkers flipping shiat over just building a mosque.


so we shouldn't have polling places in churches because right wingers might be upset about going to a mosque?
You sound terribly concerned
 
2012-11-26 04:58:48 PM  

tony41454: Why not? In PA they held a polling place where a huge mural of Obama was. HYPOCRITE much, Dems??????


Only Republicans equate Obama with God. Why do you people worship false idols?
 
2012-11-26 05:02:43 PM  

skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: If a mosque was your designated polling place, how would you feel about that? How would the average Christian feel?

I wouldn't care in the slightest - just as I don't care that I have to go to a godless den of socialist indoctrination currently

You might not care but setting up a polling place at a mosque but it would go over about as a well as a shart in church for many right wingers. Look at the right wing New Yorkers flipping shiat over just building a mosque.

so we shouldn't have polling places in churches because right wingers might be upset about going to a mosque?
You sound terribly concerned


I think we should only have polling places in mosques, churches of scientology and ethiopian zionist coptic churches.

If that can't happen I don't really give a shiat where they have polling places just so long as they are easy to get to and can handle the people going to them.
 
2012-11-26 05:04:42 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: skullkrusher: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: BarkingUnicorn: Sometimes, hyper-sensitive atheists remind me of people who are allergic to WiFi.

Because you have to be a "hyper-sensitive atheist" to have a problem with reactionary assholes electioneering at a polling place in the name of God, right?

No, you just need an over-active imagination.

So you didn't RTFA, then?

Yes, I did. My observation is not based solely upon this article, or upon the subject of electioneering.

Ah, so you're just threadjacking. Good to know.

Keep proving my point.

Perhaps you'd like to explain what your point is. Slowly. Like I'm an idiot. Because the only "point" I'm getting out of your posts is that you don't think that churches engage in electioneering when they host polling places, despite the fact that TFA cites several confirmed instances of them doing just that.

they clearly do - read the thread though. There are several instances where the mere fact that the polling place is a church bothers people. That's silly.

I agree, that is silly. That's not what was claimed by BarkingUnicorn, however.

Right. I claimed that sometimes, hyper-sensitive atheists remind me of people who are allergic to WiFi. Then your over-active imagination took over, and here we are.


My "over-active imagination" that I need to have an issue with the very situation described in TFA, you mean. Because, even though there's several recorded instances of it, apparently it never happens and I'm just hyper-sensitive and on-par with the "wifi allergy" nutjobs.
 
2012-11-26 05:16:08 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Why not? In PA they held a polling place where a huge mural of Obama was. HYPOCRITE much, Dems??????

Only Republicans equate Obama with God. Why do you people worship false idols?


No we don't. Obama most certainly exists.
 
2012-11-26 05:39:46 PM  

Headso: skullkrusher: If a mosque was your designated polling place, how would you feel about that? How would the average Christian feel?

I wouldn't care in the slightest - just as I don't care that I have to go to a godless den of socialist indoctrination currently

You might not care but setting up a polling place at a mosque but it would go over about as a well as a shart in church for many right wingers. Look at the right wing New Yorkers flipping shiat over just building a mosque.


By and large, it wasn't New Yorkers flipping out over the Burlington Coat Factory Mosque.

It was assholes from other parts of the country.
 
2012-11-26 05:43:01 PM  

Cythraul: I guess I'm one of the few who has a problem with Churches being used as polling places. But it's done all over the place in the South East, and no one else seems to have a problem with it.


I'm not religious, I'm fairly hostile to 'organized religion' as a personal matter. Despite this, as long as they follow certain rules I have no problems with using them as polling places. It can be hard finding local areas that are suited for the purpose, and churches can fill the role very well in that they're normally fairly big and open buildings that can handle quite a few people, yet are mostly empty on polling days.

You just need some rules about the political messages.

abb3w: But yeah. Not a fan. (Hereabouts, most polling places are at local schools.)


Where I grew up, you had a public elementary school, a private catholic elementary, and a church within about 2 blocks. All three were used as polling places. And unlike churches, schools are normally in use on election day.

Dr Dreidel: There are sects of believers who will not enter a church. Wouldn't that make this a potential problem of disenfranchisement? And in the Voting Rights Act-South, no less.


Hmmm... Depends on how nutso they are about it, I guess. Most polling in churches doesn't actually take place in the nave, but more in the front hallway or some such, a meeting hall, convention area, etc... If even that is too much for them, they can vote absentee.

Personally, I'd like to see some voting districts locating themselves in Mosques, Synagogues, and such. Just to be fair. Again, such activities should NOT be in their equivalent of the nave/prayer hall.
 
2012-11-26 05:48:47 PM  

HeartBurnKid: My "over-active imagination" that I need to have an issue with the very situation described in TFA, you mean. Because, even though there's several recorded instances of it, apparently it never happens and I'm just hyper-sensitive and on-par with the "wifi allergy" nutjobs.


WiFi allergy does happen in a very few cases. Electioneering law violations at churches happen in a very few cases. But only hypersensitive nutjobs with over-active imaginations inflate these few cases into a nationwide epidemic that threatens to kill everyone or destroy democracy.
 
2012-11-26 05:54:14 PM  

Leeds: Keizer_Ghidorah: tony41454: Why not? In PA they held a polling place where a huge mural of Obama was. HYPOCRITE much, Dems??????

Only Republicans equate Obama with God. Why do you people worship false idols?

No we don't. Obama most certainly exists.


That is one huge advantage Obama has over God, yes.
 
2012-11-26 05:59:10 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Headso: skullkrusher: If a mosque was your designated polling place, how would you feel about that? How would the average Christian feel?

I wouldn't care in the slightest - just as I don't care that I have to go to a godless den of socialist indoctrination currently

You might not care but setting up a polling place at a mosque but it would go over about as a well as a shart in church for many right wingers. Look at the right wing New Yorkers flipping shiat over just building a mosque.

By and large, it wasn't New Yorkers flipping out over the Burlington Coat Factory Mosque.

It was assholes from other parts of the country.


it was started by New Yorkers. The country heard about it because the Kansans and Kentuckians heard about it and got involved
 
2012-11-26 06:06:10 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: HeartBurnKid: My "over-active imagination" that I need to have an issue with the very situation described in TFA, you mean. Because, even though there's several recorded instances of it, apparently it never happens and I'm just hyper-sensitive and on-par with the "wifi allergy" nutjobs.

WiFi allergy does happen in a very few cases. Electioneering law violations at churches happen in a very few cases. But only hypersensitive nutjobs with over-active imaginations inflate these few cases into a nationwide epidemic that threatens to kill everyone or destroy democracy.



There are exactly zero confirmed cases of Wifi allergies. Zero. Not a few, none.

As far as churches electioneering, however, that's all too real. There was an entire day that a whole bunch of christian ministers set aside for all of them to specifically taunt the IRS by electioneering and daring the IRS to go after them. Here's it happening in 2008, here it is in 2010, and again in 2012. So not only is electioneering by churches real, they actually have an organized effort to purposefully engage in it - illegally - each time there's an election.
 
2012-11-26 07:22:55 PM  
This is a problem with specific churches. I have voted at a church since I started and never had a problem like this. That having been said, I also live in a very liberal area and the churches are liberal too so they aren't inclined to do things like this. If a church does put up banners like that during voting they should be prohibited from hosting a polling station again. 

/Funniest thing I saw heading up to the election was that as you drive through my neighborhood you saw a smattering of Obama signs. It wasn't every house, or even every other house; just a few here and there but they were all Obama signs... except for this one house that had like 20 Romney/Ryan signs in neat rows covering the whole the front yard. It was like they were personally trying to make up the sign deficit all by themselves.
 
2012-11-26 07:42:05 PM  

Oniamien: /Funniest thing I saw heading up to the election was that as you drive through my neighborhood you saw a smattering of Obama signs. It wasn't every house, or even every other house; just a few here and there but they were all Obama signs... except for this one house that had like 20 Romney/Ryan signs in neat rows covering the whole the front yard. It was like they were personally trying to make up the sign deficit all by themselves.


Or that family replaced all the Romney signs with Obama signs and put the stolen signs on their lawn to divert suspicion.

/either way, it's funny.
 
2012-11-26 08:57:29 PM  
I don't have an issue with voting in churches since I know zombie Jesus and such aren't going to change my mind on election day.

/Used to vote in a church in Athens, OH
//Voting location was changed to a hunting club!
///Still bought cookies from the old ladies outside after voting.
 
2012-11-26 10:33:03 PM  
Recently my polling place was some dude's garage in a own of 75,000 people with a church, a fire station, and a local university less than a mile away.

I actually had to call to ask because, "Bernard Garage" just doesn't really sound like a legit polling place. It was literally a house in my neighborhood, and they set up polling stations in the guy's garage.
 
2012-11-27 12:05:03 AM  

RogermcAllen: Recently my polling place was some dude's garage in a own of 75,000 people with a church, a fire station, and a local university less than a mile away.

I actually had to call to ask because, "Bernard Garage" just doesn't really sound like a legit polling place. It was literally a house in my neighborhood, and they set up polling stations in the guy's garage.


Guess no one else wanted the hassle, which is a sad state of affairs.
 
2012-11-27 07:07:08 AM  

Leeds: mksmith: Cythraul: I guess I'm one of the few who has a problem with Churches being used as polling places. But it's done all over the place in the South East, and no one else seems to have a problem with it.

I don't like it either, and never have. But then, I strongly dislike having to enter a church for any reason. I almost never go to weddings for that reason, unless they're held in someone's back yard or on the beach.

You don't like it, but you don't shy away from voting just because of the surroundings, right?


Nope, I don't shy away. I just grit my teeth, sort of. But I've voted in every single national and state election since I turned 21, which was in 1965. (I confess to having passed on a few run-offs for municipal judges, though. . . .)
 
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