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2012-11-26 12:15:37 AM
Cool link is cool.

Seriously considering buying one or more of those.

Also I learned a new word there. Always nice.

"Quotidian".

A fifty dollar word for mundane. Cute.
 
2012-11-26 03:07:47 AM
Slideshow hate vs Graphic novel love.

Slideshow hate wins.
 
2012-11-26 03:13:23 AM
1.Blue by Pat Grant
2. Unterzakahn by Leela Corman
3. Goliath by Tom Gauld
4. Tina's Mouth by Kenshi Kashyp
5. Gloriana by Kevin Huizenga
6. Sailor Twain by Mark Seigel
7. Journalism by Joe Sacco
8. The Graphic Canon by various
9. Right State by Mat Johnson and Andrea Mutti
10. Anya's Ghost by Vera Brosgol

There ya go kids.
 
2012-11-26 03:59:33 AM

doglover: Slideshow hate vs Graphic novel love.

Slideshow hate wins.


Interestingly, ABP hates the slideshow more than you. I can't even see it.
 
2012-11-26 04:58:00 AM
haemaker
doglover:
Slideshow hate vs Graphic novel love.
Slideshow hate wins.

Interestingly, ABP hates the slideshow more than you. I can't even see it.


deslided
 
2012-11-26 05:36:55 AM
So mostly Chris Ware.
 
2012-11-26 05:50:19 AM

quatchi: Cool link is cool.

Seriously considering buying one or more of those.

Also I learned a new word there. Always nice.

"Quotidian".

A fifty dollar word for mundane. Cute.


It literally means daily. It's French. Quotidien. You see it on newspapers.
 
2012-11-26 06:36:45 AM

swahnhennessy: So mostly Chris Ware.


Yes.
 
2012-11-26 06:49:20 AM
They're farking comic books. Call them what they are.
 
2012-11-26 07:01:50 AM
There's a huge difference between comic books and graphic novels.

fark you haters.
 
2012-11-26 07:19:28 AM
Am I the only one missing the word 'porno' before graphic in the headline?
 
2012-11-26 07:43:39 AM

quatchi: Quotidian


Link
 
2012-11-26 07:51:42 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: There's a huge difference between comic books and graphic novels.

fark you haters.


Yeah. It's the difference between 25 and 250 pages.

But you know what? A good comic book series will fit nicely into a graphic novel. The Watchmen, for example, is a twelve issue comic book series.
 
2012-11-26 07:52:39 AM
No superheroes?
 
2012-11-26 08:09:55 AM

doglover: AverageAmericanGuy: There's a huge difference between comic books and graphic novels.

fark you haters.

Yeah. It's the difference between 25 and 250 pages.

But you know what? A good comic book series will fit nicely into a graphic novel. The Watchmen, for example, is a twelve issue comic book series.


I enjoy comic books moved into a graphic novel format. However, most books suffer greatly in graphic novel formats. I have no idea what the target audience for those books would be other than kids who need to be visually entertained in order to finish their grade school book reports.
 
2012-11-26 08:16:24 AM

abhorrent1: They're farking comic books. Call them what they are.


Uh, not in this case. I read comic books and I think all of the items on this list look pretentious and shiatty.
 
2012-11-26 08:32:54 AM

LiQuid!: abhorrent1: They're farking comic books. Call them what they are.

Uh, not in this case. I read comic books and I think all of the items on this list look pretentious and shiatty.


Yep. This is exactly what I'd expect a list of graphic novels from Salon to look like.
 
2012-11-26 08:35:36 AM
This is more a list of Hipster Graphic Novels than anything else.
 
2012-11-26 08:39:23 AM
More whining with no suggestions. fark.

/The Underwater Welder
 
2012-11-26 08:41:23 AM

pkellmey: . I have no idea what the target audience for those books would be


Uh, people who like comics and don't want to be bothered by running out of pages in the first ten minutes?

I love comics. I've read the daily funny pages every day since I was ass high to a knee hopper. I hate American comic books that come out with 25 pages once a month or whatever. Might as well save it up and drop a book like Japanese manga. I have dozens of manga books.

It's a great format for to have a whole story.
 
2012-11-26 08:45:36 AM

doglover: pkellmey: . I have no idea what the target audience for those books would be

Uh, people who like comics and don't want to be bothered by running out of pages in the first ten minutes?

I love comics. I've read the daily funny pages every day since I was ass high to a knee hopper. I hate American comic books that come out with 25 pages once a month or whatever. Might as well save it up and drop a book like Japanese manga. I have dozens of manga books.

It's a great format for to have a whole story.

Just buy trade paperbacks... It's exactly what you're describing. You realize all your manga comes out in Japan in tiny bite sized chunks just like monthly American comics and gets collected into trades the exact same way?
 
2012-11-26 08:47:12 AM
Each book taken seperately serves its own purpose and story but piling all of them in such a list, that's just pretentious bollo**ery.

It's as if, for the past 20 years, everyone's been trying to write the next Maus and mistook crude, black and white drawing as the reason behind its success instead of a powerful story.
Teen angst seemingly illustrated by 12 year olds and written by depressed New Yorkers? Zarjaz!.
 
2012-11-26 08:49:52 AM

LiQuid!: You realize all your manga comes out in Japan in tiny bite sized chunks just like monthly American comics and gets collected into trades the exact same way?


Yeah, you don't understand. Shonen Jump is a PHONE BOOK sized tome. Bi-weekly, thick enough to stop a .22 slug at 200 yards. I wouldn't put that to the test with my life at stake, but I'd bet 20 bucks on the range.
 
2012-11-26 08:58:02 AM

doglover: LiQuid!: You realize all your manga comes out in Japan in tiny bite sized chunks just like monthly American comics and gets collected into trades the exact same way?

Yeah, you don't understand. Shonen Jump is a PHONE BOOK sized tome. Bi-weekly, thick enough to stop a .22 slug at 200 yards. I wouldn't put that to the test with my life at stake, but I'd bet 20 bucks on the range.


You're still only getting 25 pages of any particular manga bi weekly same as an American comic. Buying a phone book sized manga anthology twice a week is similar enough buying a handful of bi-weekly American comics.
 
2012-11-26 09:03:55 AM

LiQuid!: doglover: LiQuid!: You realize all your manga comes out in Japan in tiny bite sized chunks just like monthly American comics and gets collected into trades the exact same way?

Yeah, you don't understand. Shonen Jump is a PHONE BOOK sized tome. Bi-weekly, thick enough to stop a .22 slug at 200 yards. I wouldn't put that to the test with my life at stake, but I'd bet 20 bucks on the range.

You're still only getting 25 pages of any particular manga bi weekly same as an American comic. Buying a phone book sized manga anthology twice a week is similar enough buying a handful of bi-weekly American comics.


No. Shown jump is way freaking cheaper by the page. It's why our comics industry is limited and theirs is plump and righteous.
 
2012-11-26 09:06:14 AM

LiQuid!: doglover: LiQuid!: You realize all your manga comes out in Japan in tiny bite sized chunks just like monthly American comics and gets collected into trades the exact same way?

Yeah, you don't understand. Shonen Jump is a PHONE BOOK sized tome. Bi-weekly, thick enough to stop a .22 slug at 200 yards. I wouldn't put that to the test with my life at stake, but I'd bet 20 bucks on the range.

You're still only getting 25 pages of any particular manga bi weekly same as an American comic. Buying a phone book sized manga anthology twice a week is similar enough buying a handful of bi-weekly American comics.


Except that Shonen Jump costs 500 yen. $5 doesn't even buy one good issue of Spiderman.
 
2012-11-26 09:16:22 AM
I must resist buying another stack of books. I still haven't finished reading the last stack I bought. Of course, if I had never signed up with FARK; I would have finished them months ago.
 
2012-11-26 09:19:10 AM

doglover:

Except that Shonen Jump costs 500 yen. $5 doesn't even buy one good issue of Spiderman.


I'm not trying to say the American comics business model isn't messed up but you said you didn't like American comics only coming out 25 pages a month (or bi-weekly as is the case with a lot of Marvel comics). Manga is the same way.

You also didn't specify you were talking about Shonen Jump initially either. Obviously a gigantic black and white anthology magazine on newsprint is going to be cheaper than overproduced American comics. I'm not talking about value here, just delivery method.
 
2012-11-26 09:54:01 AM
I see a disturbing lack of color in these books. Is that supposed to make them better?
 
2012-11-26 09:55:20 AM

SuperChuck: I see a disturbing lack of color in these books. Is that supposed to make them better?


Color costs more? I dunno.
 
2012-11-26 10:10:30 AM
doglover

Yeah, you don't understand. Shonen Jump is a PHONE BOOK sized tome. Bi-weekly, thick enough to stop a .22 slug at 200 yards

At 200 yards, a normal comic book could probably stop a .22
 
2012-11-26 11:26:14 AM
The best graphic novels comic books from 2012



FTFY
 
2012-11-26 12:33:54 PM
So, we've got "hurrr hipsters", "lol comic books", and "whar superheroes" covered. With that out of the way, has anyone actually read anything on the list? Any thoughts?
 
2012-11-26 12:42:01 PM

Cagey B: So, we've got "hurrr hipsters", "lol comic books", and "whar superheroes" covered. With that out of the way, has anyone actually read anything on the list? Any thoughts?


Seriously. I thought this list looked more interested than the NPR link posted last week. I may check a few of these out but I am currently balls deep in the Mignola Universe and cant see myself spending money on anything else.
 
2012-11-26 01:41:04 PM
One of the reasons I like comics is because the art is usually above that of the funny pages and well, maybe one book on that list showed that kind of promise.
 
2012-11-27 10:34:38 AM
I love comic books, but "graphic novel" ? It seems pretentious, as if the illiterate want to pretend they can read.
 
2012-11-28 02:34:58 PM
it's the 2010's - can we please stop the 'graphic novel' vs. 'comic book' bullshiat already?
I've been hearing this for the past 25 years - just STFU.
 
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