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(NBC News)   New black Friday deal: shoplift 2 DVD players from Walmart, get a free trip to the morgue   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 47
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2012-11-25 08:50:37 PM
8 votes:

Asa Phelps: Those guys, and their bosses, and some of their bosses bosses, are probably gonna get fired.


Fix'd.
2012-11-26 12:38:32 AM
5 votes:

PaLarkin: The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.


Do you realize what you're saying? You're blaming the victim in the same way saying a prostitute wouldn't have been choked to death if she weren't out there plying the trade. Both prostitution and shoplifting are crimes, but do they warrant death?

I will grant that we do not know if the employees were out of line or if it was an accident.

Nevertheless, the fact that you intimate that this is all his fault is pretty damn repugnant.
2012-11-26 12:17:57 AM
5 votes:
Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?
2012-11-26 12:24:38 AM
4 votes:
"No amount of merchandise is worth someone's life, a wrongful death lawsuit" Gee said in the statement,

/FTFTFA
2012-11-25 10:38:11 PM
4 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: This sounds like it'd inspire one of the inferior episodes of Law & Order. Where Lennie Briscoe quips, "Well, looks like checked out anyways" and the whole thing is an Aesop about corporate greed and cover-up.


Or an episode of SVU where they find out he was shoplifting them to entertain a fleet of teenage prostitutes, and at some point Ice T asks "What kind of sick bastard...?" The whole department is always surprised when it turns out to be some weird sex crime, even though presumably they're aware they work in SVU, where the crimes are promised to be particularly heinous.
2012-11-26 12:58:36 AM
3 votes:
"No amount of merchandise is worth someone's life," Gee said in the statement, according to the Journal-Constitution.

I concur. For that reason, I recommend against risking one's life by attempting to shoplift merchandise.
2012-11-26 12:22:40 AM
3 votes:
If only there were some way to not steal DVD players from Walmart.

None of us are safe.
2012-11-26 01:39:18 AM
2 votes:
i.chzbgr.com
2012-11-26 01:12:48 AM
2 votes:

dickfreckle: Do you realize what you're saying? You're blaming the victim in the same way saying a prostitute wouldn't have been choked to death if she weren't out there plying the trade. Both prostitution and shoplifting are crimes, but do they warrant death?

I will grant that we do not know if the employees were out of line or if it was an accident.

Nevertheless, the fact that you intimate that this is all his fault is pretty damn repugnant.


So your argument is he was stealing the DVD players in order to make enough money to survive? You sure you want to go with that tortured analogy? That's the argument that most women forced into prostitution use: they have no other way to make money than to sell themselves. Also, prostitution is regarded as a victimless crime, where shoplifting, um, isn't.

He died. It's a moral lesson to the surviving masses about stealing. Once in a while it happens, move on. And yeah, I'm hard pressed to find pity for "the victim". It's not something I'm worried about since I don't make a habit of trying to steal DVD players from Walmart; or stealing anything from anyone else, for that matter.

You don't want this to happen to you? Don't go stealing crap.
2012-11-26 01:09:00 AM
2 votes:

fusillade762: "No amount of merchandise is worth someone's life,"

Especially not two DVD players. What are they these days, $20?


Apparently the guy was willing to risk his life to steal them rather than just pay for them like a normal person. I'm not saying he should have expected the particular response that he got, just that he should have known he was risking a response. How hard is it to NOT steal? I don't remember the last time I read an article about a shopkeeper or employee killing someone for buying something.
2012-11-26 01:02:43 AM
2 votes:
What's the over under on the parking lot security cameras mysteriously malfunctioning during the altercation?
2012-11-26 12:57:28 AM
2 votes:
Moran should not have stolen the DVD players.
2012-11-26 12:49:03 AM
2 votes:
Why weren't they charged?
Dude died, it says they they were on him when the cops arrived. Witnesses say a choke hold hold was/maybe used. That's assult if nothing else.
Do Wal-Mart employees get the same kind of pass that cops do when they kill someone?
2012-11-26 12:24:44 AM
2 votes:

Misidea: As a APA I'm getting a kick... 
Seriously though, the entire training process is about hands off, non physical contact.
These guys better have one amazingly good story, or getting fired is the least of their concerns.


Yeah chokeholds are dangerous, it's not something you use to restrain someone, which as you mentioned they shouldn't be trying to do in the first place.
2012-11-26 12:12:28 AM
2 votes:
As a APA I'm getting a kick... 
Seriously though, the entire training process is about hands off, non physical contact.
These guys better have one amazingly good story, or getting fired is the least of their concerns.
2012-11-25 09:10:41 PM
2 votes:
While I agree with those that say these people should be fired, I'd like to point out this didnt happen on Black Friday. It happened today.
2012-11-25 08:54:09 PM
2 votes:
They steal your dvd players, you send one of theirs to the morgue. It's the Walmart way.
2012-11-26 03:29:21 PM
1 votes:

Duke_leto_Atredes: ok i will bite

TEXAS!!!


Or Florida, if you have Skittles and Arizona iced tea.
2012-11-26 01:00:04 PM
1 votes:
Shoplifters of the world, unite and take over.
GBB
2012-11-26 08:48:37 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: "No amount of merchandise is worth someone's life,"


Exactly. So stop shoplifting.
2012-11-26 08:35:19 AM
1 votes:
I think I've figured out Walmart's angle here. Three people involved, two store employees and a security officer, probably hired from an independent company for additional Black Friday weekend support.

The two Walmart employees are on paid leave and haven't been fired.

Why?

Because they weren't at fault (wink).

They were clearly under duress and following the orders of the security guard, after all he was the one who choke slammed the guy (nudge).

The security guard works for an independent contractor and is not under direct control of Walmart (wink wink).

Clearly it would be foolish to sue Walmart for the actions of one depraved individual, and not the company that he actually works for (wink wink nudge nudge).

And if it takes less money than a lawsuit would cost a little paid leave to interview our employees and get their stories straight complete our internal investigation into this terrible tragedy, then so be it.
2012-11-26 08:22:53 AM
1 votes:

Makh: FTFA: both employees had been placed on paid leave.

Sweet, free vacation too.


I'm shocked that Walmart didn't outright fire them. They are known for outright firing people for even *touching* a customer (even unintentionally)...

like this poor lady: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2167497/Walmart-worker-Jan-Sul livan-73-fired-attacked-Black-Friday-bargain-hunter.html


That person on "paid leave" should start job hunting and get away from Walmart, it's the best move they can make before the corporation decides to choose a "scapegoat" for this whole incident.
2012-11-26 08:21:13 AM
1 votes:
As someone who worked retail way back, it's too bad this doesn't happen a lot more often. Not because thieves deserve death, but because then maybe the general public wouldn't have such an entitled, terrible attitude when they wall into a retail establishment if this sort of thing just kind of happened occasionally.
2012-11-26 06:53:01 AM
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: MilesTeg: So what's the problem?


I'm sure his death is it's own little micro-tragedy. But I admit I find it weird when one particular event causes an uproar when the other 45 (on a statistically average day in the U.S.) even more pointless homicides that day don't matter. 16000 people a year killed, many over something as stupid as a comment or a glance at the wrong person. Many people killed for no reason at all - which is surely more tragic than the death of a thief. So if I am not sitting here feeling outraged and self-righteous about those other 45 unjust pointless innocent deaths - I really just have to admit that this one guy dying during an attempted theft just really ranks as - meh, one less thief.


The media will not dwell on black on black crime. To them, it may as well not exist. Anything that goes against their pre-determined narrative isn't real.

/yay journalism!
2012-11-26 05:46:01 AM
1 votes:

PaLarkin: Had he not stolen the stuff, he would not have put himself in a sitiuation where he would be attacked by overzealos rent a cops and would be alive today.


I don't like the logic behind blaming the victim. Had the kid in your story died when he got in a car wreck coming from the dealer's house, rather than from taking the drugs, are the drugs still to blame? Had a certain young lady not went to the nightclub, would she not have been raped?

This guy (let's just assume he's guilty of attempting to steal $40 of cheap Chinese-made electronics) chose to steal based on an understanding of the consequences society has put in place for such actions. For instance, a juvenile might get a slap on the wrist such as a "diversionary" program and their record wiped clean a year later if they are caught committing this same offense. They are not risking very much by trying to steal. However, a California resident that has already been convicted of two felonies would be facing life in prison if caught and successfully prosecuted; he is risking far more than the juvenile for doing exactly the same act. (Yes, I know California's three strikes law just got voted down, but that hasn't been implemented yet.)

However, DEATH is not a consequence our society has determined is applicable for anyone caught shoplifting, no matter their prior criminal record. While this may be the case in other countries, it is not the case here, and I don't think any of us here in the US would prefer to live under the system of government in place in those countries where death is a possible consequence of shoplifting.

Therefore, I don't think it is fair to say "he deserved it" or "he got what he had coming" or "if he hadn't have shoplifted, this wouldn't have happened." While that may be technically true, it is not a reasonable consequence of his action any more than dying in an automobile accident is a reasonable consequence of purchasing and transporting recreational drugs.

Wal-Mart should have trained and managed their employees better. I don't think anyone would have been fired if the guy had gotten away, and I really doubt the employees would have been rewarded with raises or other tangible things had the guy survived and been prosecuted for the crime.
2012-11-26 04:39:11 AM
1 votes:

The more you eat the more you fart: Read the question i was answering.

Do i think Walmart security should have choked him to death? Absolutely not. Would I still shoot him if he was in my house? Absolutely.


I think it was your saying "no sympathy here either" that made it appear as if you identified with PaLarkin's assessment that the deceased deserved whatever happened, as he had somehow surrendered his right to life the second he was accused of committing a nonviolent crime.
2012-11-26 04:21:09 AM
1 votes:

PaLarkin: How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


You know what? I would probably "feel like" killing him with my bare hands. But I wouldn't. Because I cannot morally justify acting in a manner that would cause someone else's death to protect $40 worth of cheap electronics. I might kill someone to retrieve a child's medication, or the very last bit of food or something else necessary for survival, but I can't morally justify it over a freakin' DVD player.

If you can justify killing someone simply on the principal that "it was mine", I'm not sure if you are ready to be a part of society.

Wal-Mart paid these people to work this security detail and prevent losses from theft. They either failed to properly train them or failed to properly oversee them. You cannot give a corporation (no matter how much it is a "people") the right to take someone's life, no matter what. Our society has reserved that right for the State itself, or in certain circumstances in which one's life is in danger. As this person had already left the store, no one's life was in danger here, and their lives were definitely not in danger once the person was restrained. However, I withhold any judgement until I hear about the autopsy report.

I'm not sure I would be buying Wal-Mart stock at the moment. I know they have an army of awesome attorneys, but I believe they will eventually lose one of these wrongful death lawsuits.
2012-11-26 04:12:18 AM
1 votes:

PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


If he was in my house id shoot the bastard.

/no sympathy here either.
2012-11-26 03:09:35 AM
1 votes:

PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


The same concept of laws, which makes stealing a crime, also makes it a crime for store rent-a-cops to crush a man's larynx and kill him over $40 worth of cheap Chinese electronics.
I wouldn't say you're mean or cruel, just a bit misguided. You like the theft laws, but not the laws about murder?
Granted, we don't know all the facts, so a conclusion can't yet be drawn. But, it doesn't look good for Barney Fife and his gang.
2012-11-26 02:42:11 AM
1 votes:

bullsballs: If the guys larynx was crushed, maybe the choke hold was a little tight.
or did they sit on the guy a little hard and put a rib through a lung?
can't wait for the autopsy!


I predict suffocation from two fat-asses sitting on his chest while they waited for the real cops. It has happened many times before.
2012-11-26 02:33:14 AM
1 votes:
Damn, we've got a lot of armchair Dirty Harry's on Fark.

I guess you folks are okay with the cops shooting people who look suspicious too huh? Don't worry, we'l figure out if they're actually did anything AFTER the funeral.
2012-11-26 01:06:38 AM
1 votes:
So what's the problem?
2012-11-26 12:53:44 AM
1 votes:
I know it's not directly related, but it does reaffirm my long held belief of:
"Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k Christmas!"

/30 year veteran of the war on Christmas
2012-11-26 12:51:59 AM
1 votes:

DownDaRiver: Do Wal-Mart employees get the same kind of pass that cops do when they kill someone?


Notice the employees are on "paid leave." That's remarkably generous for a store that holds training sessions to help their employees apply for food stamps. Definitely they're getting treated like LEOs.
2012-11-26 12:38:18 AM
1 votes:
I'm okay with this. Kinda sucks, though, that Walmart values money over their employees. Suspend their employees, blacklist the security guard, over protecting company assets, while at the same time creating situations the night after Thanksgiving where every year employees are trampled, assaulted, threatened, then fired when a customer complains...
2012-11-26 12:29:31 AM
1 votes:

PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


TL;DR is don't steal shiat? I'm okay with that.
2012-11-26 12:29:07 AM
1 votes:

Asa Phelps: department. what the hell has happened when i can spell correctly but it's the wrong words?


Vodka
2012-11-26 12:28:38 AM
1 votes:

PaLarkin: I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


This. The hurr durr guntard and dogtard crowd are always in here baying about how they're going to shoot / sick their bloodthirsty mutt on anybody who much as steps on their property because self-defense, hero complex, constitutional amendments and FREEDUMZ!!!

Half of them would've taken this guy down for a pack of twinkies, let alone a couple bits of electronics. But the same folks will probably insist that this was totally different because it's stealing from somebody who's not them.
2012-11-26 12:26:04 AM
1 votes:
Test your might.

Shopping Combat!
2012-11-26 12:21:16 AM
1 votes:
I think he should have had a trial before he died.

Best Buy security rushed to see that I didn't shoplift something. They asked me to empty all of my pockets for them because I reached for my iphone once I was in the parking lot. I complied because I'm nice. But I wouldn't say their methods are flawless.
2012-11-26 12:17:50 AM
1 votes:
Killer deals on Black Friday.
Think I'll send the Ex next year.
182
2012-11-26 12:15:48 AM
1 votes:

revrendjim: They steal your dvd players, you send one of theirs to the morgue. It's the Walmart way.


yeah, he deserved to die and I hope he burns in hell!
2012-11-26 12:13:16 AM
1 votes:
If the guys larynx was crushed, maybe the choke hold was a little tight.
or did they sit on the guy a little hard and put a rib through a lung?
can't wait for the autopsy!
2012-11-26 12:12:04 AM
1 votes:

CreamFilling: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: This sounds like it'd inspire one of the inferior episodes of Law & Order. Where Lennie Briscoe quips, "Well, looks like checked out anyways" and the whole thing is an Aesop about corporate greed and cover-up.

Or an episode of SVU where they find out he was shoplifting them to entertain a fleet of teenage prostitutes, and at some point Ice T asks "What kind of sick bastard...?" The whole department is always surprised when it turns out to be some weird sex crime, even though presumably they're aware they work in SVU, where the crimes are promised to be particularly heinous.


I assume we have both scene the same stand up bit by.... Nick mullaney I think? Great stuff
2012-11-26 12:08:37 AM
1 votes:
what else would expect being caught stealing? and everyone blames walmart? sounds like he wasn't in the best of health to begin with.
2012-11-26 12:08:37 AM
1 votes:
Good, we need fewer Wal-Mart frequenters.
2012-11-25 09:50:57 PM
1 votes:
This sounds like it'd inspire one of the inferior episodes of Law & Order. Where Lennie Briscoe quips, "Well, looks like checked out anyways" and the whole thing is an Aesop about corporate greed and cover-up.
 
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