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(NBC News)   New black Friday deal: shoplift 2 DVD players from Walmart, get a free trip to the morgue   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 280
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2012-11-26 02:12:11 AM  

gweilo8888: PaLarkin: I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?

This. The hurr durr guntard and dogtard crowd are always in here baying about how they're going to shoot / sick their bloodthirsty mutt on anybody who much as steps on their property because self-defense, hero complex, constitutional amendments and FREEDUMZ!!!

Half of them would've taken this guy down for a pack of twinkies, let alone a couple bits of electronics. But the same folks will probably insist that this was totally different because it's stealing from somebody who's not them.


If he didn't steal the dvd players, lock up the guys responsible for his death.

Damm straight he should be taken down for a pack of twinkies. Have you seen what they're going for on ebay? Their worth more than the farking dvd players.
 
2012-11-26 02:14:30 AM  

effugas: So, something like this happened before.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Answers-sought-in-dea t h-outside-Wal-Mart-1917095.php

===
"About 30 people were saying, 'Let him up, it's too hot,' " Portz said. He said another employee brought a rug for Driver to lie on, but one of those holding Driver said he was fine where he was. "After about five minutes, (Driver) said, 'I'm dying, I can't breathe, call an ambulance,' " Portz said.
===

Hopefully there was a policy change.


Yep, hopefully the new policy is:









DON'T STEAL shiat







 
2012-11-26 02:17:20 AM  
The same Walmart spokesman, Dianna Gee, keeps popping up in the various stories about customers/suspected shoplifters getting killed by Walmart employees in their parking lots. She has a crappy job.
 
2012-11-26 02:20:11 AM  

stuffy: And of course he will have relatives. They always do.


this will be the best thing he ever did for his family, free lance Socialism must be stamped out
 
2012-11-26 02:26:43 AM  
"When police arrived, they found the trio on top of the man. An officer who handcuffed the suspected shoplifter detected no resistance from him and ordered the employees off. Police found the man to be unresponsive and bleeding from his nose and mouth."

... and that was the sound of the powerball dropping and completing the set of matching numbers.
 
2012-11-26 02:33:14 AM  
Damn, we've got a lot of armchair Dirty Harry's on Fark.

I guess you folks are okay with the cops shooting people who look suspicious too huh? Don't worry, we'l figure out if they're actually did anything AFTER the funeral.
 
2012-11-26 02:39:16 AM  

red5ish: Fark Me Runnin: We almost made it through a black Friday weekend without a Walmart death.

Almost.

If you don't count the Walmart employee who was trampled to death in Long Island.
Link


OK, so we almost made it through a black Friday weekend without TWO Walmart deaths.

I think it'd still be a record.
 
2012-11-26 02:41:12 AM  
Lawsuit . its gonna happen.
 
2012-11-26 02:42:11 AM  

bullsballs: If the guys larynx was crushed, maybe the choke hold was a little tight.
or did they sit on the guy a little hard and put a rib through a lung?
can't wait for the autopsy!


I predict suffocation from two fat-asses sitting on his chest while they waited for the real cops. It has happened many times before.
 
2012-11-26 02:43:08 AM  

Fark Me Runnin: red5ish: Fark Me Runnin: We almost made it through a black Friday weekend without a Walmart death.

Almost.

If you don't count the Walmart employee who was trampled to death in Long Island.
Link

OK, so we almost made it through a black Friday weekend without TWO Walmart deaths.

I think it'd still be a record.


With proper leadership and preparation I'm sure they can have even more deaths next year. The company is so large it is probably self-insured. Imagine the risk management department at their headquarters and the office pool they circulate on the 21st.
 
2012-11-26 02:49:03 AM  

ExcaliburPrime111: Mikey1969: ExcaliburPrime111: That said, in my full comment (not just the first sentence that you quoted)

I quoted the part that I had a problem with. When three people get in a physical altercation with a single person, and that person ends up dead on the ground, it's 'related'. Strangulation, death by beating, death by heart attack, it doesn't matter, it's going to be related to the fact that he died while being physically restrained by these employees. It doesn't necessarily mean that it was a criminal act, though.

I agree though that the article isn't the most informative thing ever written, but the police don't always make an arrest, even when someone dies. At this point, the DA will have to decide if he/she wants to pursue charges at this point. These WallyWorld guys are screwed though if the family decides to go for a civil suit. Stay away from those things like the plague. If someone ever threatens one, run like hell, because the rights you have in a criminal courtroom are pretty much thrown out the window.


We still do not have a cause of death, although the coroner's office might be able to provide that as early as Monday. You also acknowledge that "it doesn't necessarily mean that it was a criminal act" and it is certainly possible that some natural cause of death, unrelated to any altercation, caused the alleged shoplifter to die.

Based on the facts as stated in the article, I find it difficult to believe that the police would not arrest the person who allegedly applied a choke hold if the victim died from it. Even so, if the cause of death is asphyxiation, then we will see a "Follow Up" pretty soon about criminal charges and wrongful death lawsuits.


When I say "related", I'm not trying to say that the guy was definitely choked to death, I'm saying that if you due in a physical altercation, that altercation is involved in some way. This dancing around the details just annoys me. It's the same every time a person dies immediately after getting Tasered. The police do everything they can to assertion that the Taser was in no way responsible for the outcome, but the reality is different. If you die from a heart attack after reading a newspaper article about a long lost friend dying horribly, although you had a bad heart, the story about the friend's death was what caused the stress levels to rise, and led to the onset of the heart attack. Same here. I'm not saying they choked home to death, but it is a safe bet that he would be alive today and he not gotten into this physical altercation, so it IS related, IMHO. That doesn't mean that I think it was a deliberate criminal act, just that there is a relationship between the altercation and his death, just like with the Taser incidents earlier. This dancing around the words has just always bugged me, that's all.

It DOES bother me that they didn't even pay enough attention to notice that the guy was dead though, but that's a totally different thing, I think these guys were too busy convincing themselves that they were heroes to pay attention to the real world. Anyone who is that self absorbed probably needs a reality check on life.
 
2012-11-26 02:51:01 AM  
Everyone involved in this story is an idiot.
 
2012-11-26 02:57:39 AM  
Another person joins the "I'm never buying at Walmart again" boycott.
 
2012-11-26 02:57:58 AM  

SoxSweepAgain: PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?

Assclown, if I caught someone stealing from my car I wouldn't kill them. I'd use reasonable force if I felt I could do so, I would let them run away with whatever it was if not. You don't overwhelm someone with lethal force over a petty theft. Reasonable force, yes, of course. Kill them? Guess what... now YOU are the bad guy.


Depends on the state.
 
2012-11-26 03:02:53 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Asa Phelps: Those guys, and their bosses, and some of their bosses bosses, are probably gonna get fired.

Fix'd.


They'll probably have their paychecks docked first, for the time they spent outside the store without permission.
 
2012-11-26 03:03:52 AM  

rkelley25: Another person joins the "I'm never buying at Walmart again" boycott.


He also joins the "another criminal who will never commit a crime again" club.
 
2012-11-26 03:06:08 AM  

GORDON: If only there were some way to not steal DVD players from Walmart.

None of us are safe.


THIS
 
2012-11-26 03:09:35 AM  

PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


The same concept of laws, which makes stealing a crime, also makes it a crime for store rent-a-cops to crush a man's larynx and kill him over $40 worth of cheap Chinese electronics.
I wouldn't say you're mean or cruel, just a bit misguided. You like the theft laws, but not the laws about murder?
Granted, we don't know all the facts, so a conclusion can't yet be drawn. But, it doesn't look good for Barney Fife and his gang.
 
2012-11-26 03:16:28 AM  

Fail in Human Form: SoxSweepAgain: PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?

Assclown, if I caught someone stealing from my car I wouldn't kill them. I'd use reasonable force if I felt I could do so, I would let them run away with whatever it was if not. You don't overwhelm someone with lethal force over a petty theft. Reasonable force, yes, of course. Kill them? Guess what... now YOU are the bad guy.

Depends on the state.


No it doesn't. There is a slew of charges that can be brought upon Walmart and their employees. Unlawful arrest, manslaughter, homicide, just to name a few. Let alone the civil suit that will be brought about almost assuredly by the victim family. All those federal crimes too. That's why it is universal in retail you don't chase the perp down to risk is way too high in terms legality and costs. shiat you slip on a grape in store the costs for the company can run into the millions. Now actually killing a guy that can't be cheap.
 
2012-11-26 03:17:47 AM  
Marilyn Manson in his autobiography said that there should be a death penalty for shoplifting because if you are dumb enough to get caught you deserve to be executed.

I didn't know some security guards took this literally.
 
2012-11-26 03:47:25 AM  
I don't know whether I should be outraged until I learn the races and sexual orientations of all those involved.

Not really. I'm wondering if the guy was even a thief at all. I usually pay for electronics in the back of the store. It's possible the man did the same and just didn't feel the need to whip out his receipt upon exit. The overzealous employees may have not even seen whether he stole the items or not. Thief or not, the employees were not justified in taking another man's life.
 
2012-11-26 03:48:47 AM  
Hearses ain't free, subby.
 
2012-11-26 03:50:56 AM  
cliffviewpilot.com

Snopes said that the last paragraph is not true, but it does make me laugh a bit.
 
2012-11-26 04:01:41 AM  
My ex-husband worked at Walmart. Their associates are trained to never try to physically stop a suspected shoplifter. In addition to the thief being dead, I suspect the associates will be fired for violating company policy.
 
2012-11-26 04:12:04 AM  
What's a "DVD" player?!
 
2012-11-26 04:12:18 AM  

PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


If he was in my house id shoot the bastard.

/no sympathy here either.
 
2012-11-26 04:21:09 AM  

PaLarkin: How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


You know what? I would probably "feel like" killing him with my bare hands. But I wouldn't. Because I cannot morally justify acting in a manner that would cause someone else's death to protect $40 worth of cheap electronics. I might kill someone to retrieve a child's medication, or the very last bit of food or something else necessary for survival, but I can't morally justify it over a freakin' DVD player.

If you can justify killing someone simply on the principal that "it was mine", I'm not sure if you are ready to be a part of society.

Wal-Mart paid these people to work this security detail and prevent losses from theft. They either failed to properly train them or failed to properly oversee them. You cannot give a corporation (no matter how much it is a "people") the right to take someone's life, no matter what. Our society has reserved that right for the State itself, or in certain circumstances in which one's life is in danger. As this person had already left the store, no one's life was in danger here, and their lives were definitely not in danger once the person was restrained. However, I withhold any judgement until I hear about the autopsy report.

I'm not sure I would be buying Wal-Mart stock at the moment. I know they have an army of awesome attorneys, but I believe they will eventually lose one of these wrongful death lawsuits.
 
2012-11-26 04:25:46 AM  

vrax: What's a "DVD" player?!


It's a thingy that plays the discs they use to make the torrent files you download to watch on your computer. You don't really need one unless the HDMI cable from your laptop is too short to reach the TV.
 
2012-11-26 04:28:48 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: If he was in my house id shoot the bastard.

/no sympathy here either.


There's a world of difference between "in your house" and "running out of a store with $40 worth of cheap electronics." I might shoot him in my home as well, since I have no idea what else he might do in my home. But I can't morally justify acting in a manner that puts an already restrained individual at risk of death over some piece of crap Chinese-made DVD players.
 
2012-11-26 04:32:19 AM  

ox45tallboy: The more you eat the more you fart: If he was in my house id shoot the bastard.

/no sympathy here either.

There's a world of difference between "in your house" and "running out of a store with $40 worth of cheap electronics." I might shoot him in my home as well, since I have no idea what else he might do in my home. But I can't morally justify acting in a manner that puts an already restrained individual at risk of death over some piece of crap Chinese-made DVD players.


Read the question i was answering.

Do i think Walmart security should have choked him to death? Absolutely not. Would I still shoot him if he was in my house? Absolutely.
 
2012-11-26 04:39:11 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Read the question i was answering.

Do i think Walmart security should have choked him to death? Absolutely not. Would I still shoot him if he was in my house? Absolutely.


I think it was your saying "no sympathy here either" that made it appear as if you identified with PaLarkin's assessment that the deceased deserved whatever happened, as he had somehow surrendered his right to life the second he was accused of committing a nonviolent crime.
 
2012-11-26 04:39:40 AM  

ox45tallboy: vrax: What's a "DVD" player?!

It's a thingy that plays the discs they use to make the torrent files you download to watch on your computer. You don't really need one unless the HDMI cable from your laptop is too short to reach the TV.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-26 04:40:26 AM  
Soooo... stop criminal, get fired?
 
2012-11-26 04:52:37 AM  

GreenSun: Soooo... stop criminal, get fired?


No, kill suspected criminal, get paid vacation. The employees are currently on "paid leave".
 
2012-11-26 04:56:35 AM  

vrax: ox45tallboy: vrax: What's a "DVD" player?!

It's a thingy that plays the discs they use to make the torrent files you download to watch on your computer. You don't really need one unless the HDMI cable from your laptop is too short to reach the TV.

[i49.tinypic.com image 235x163]


Okay, then, it's like a digital download, only it comes on a disc and you have to pay way too much for it and sit through an FBI warning in five languages and four commercials that you can't skip for other DVD's you are expected to purchase.
 
2012-11-26 05:07:37 AM  

ox45tallboy: vrax: ox45tallboy: vrax: What's a "DVD" player?!

It's a thingy that plays the discs they use to make the torrent files you download to watch on your computer. You don't really need one unless the HDMI cable from your laptop is too short to reach the TV.

[i49.tinypic.com image 235x163]

Okay, then, it's like a digital download, only it comes on a disc and you have to pay way too much for it and sit through an FBI warning in five languages and four commercials that you can't skip for other DVD's you are expected to purchase.


Is that like something they used in Nam to get a POW to talk?! I'd talk. Hell, put the bamboo back under my fingernails!
 
2012-11-26 05:13:18 AM  

msbav8r: PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?

The same concept of laws, which makes stealing a crime, also makes it a crime for store rent-a-cops to crush a man's larynx and kill him over $40 worth of cheap Chinese electronics.
I wouldn't say you're mean or cruel, just a bit misguided. You like the theft laws, but not the laws about murder?
Granted, we don't know all the facts, so a conclusion can't yet be drawn. But, it doesn't look good for Barney Fife and his gang.


If the guy stole the dvd players, store security killed him for it and that's all there is to it, then they overreacted. If they tried to arrest him and he resisted, maybe they have cause to use force. Still if that's all there is to it, they overreacted. Did the thief try to attack them? Did he have a knife or other weapon? We don't know.

I'll try to explain my point of view another way. A man tells his son not to use bath salts, or any other synthetic party drug. He explains to his son the dangers of using illicit drugs. The kid goes against his dad wishes and tries a dose of whatever. He has a bad reaction to it and dies as a result. No the kid would not deserve to die for going against his dad's wishes. However the fact remains that had he listened to his dad and not taken the whatever it was, he would not have died.

The guy at the wal mart didn't deserve to die for stealing maybe $100 worth of cheap crap from China. Had he not stolen the stuff, he would not have put himself in a sitiuation where he would be attacked by overzealos rent a cops and would be alive today.
 
2012-11-26 05:20:20 AM  

ox45tallboy: vrax: ox45tallboy: vrax: What's a "DVD" player?!

It's a thingy that plays the discs they use to make the torrent files you download to watch on your computer. You don't really need one unless the HDMI cable from your laptop is too short to reach the TV.

[i49.tinypic.com image 235x163]

Okay, then, it's like a digital download, only it comes on a disc and you have to pay way too much for it and sit through an FBI warning in five languages and four commercials that you can't skip for other DVD's you are expected to purchase.


What one of those FBI warnings might look like. (video version, the 5-7 second card warnings are a pain too.)
 
2012-11-26 05:46:01 AM  

PaLarkin: Had he not stolen the stuff, he would not have put himself in a sitiuation where he would be attacked by overzealos rent a cops and would be alive today.


I don't like the logic behind blaming the victim. Had the kid in your story died when he got in a car wreck coming from the dealer's house, rather than from taking the drugs, are the drugs still to blame? Had a certain young lady not went to the nightclub, would she not have been raped?

This guy (let's just assume he's guilty of attempting to steal $40 of cheap Chinese-made electronics) chose to steal based on an understanding of the consequences society has put in place for such actions. For instance, a juvenile might get a slap on the wrist such as a "diversionary" program and their record wiped clean a year later if they are caught committing this same offense. They are not risking very much by trying to steal. However, a California resident that has already been convicted of two felonies would be facing life in prison if caught and successfully prosecuted; he is risking far more than the juvenile for doing exactly the same act. (Yes, I know California's three strikes law just got voted down, but that hasn't been implemented yet.)

However, DEATH is not a consequence our society has determined is applicable for anyone caught shoplifting, no matter their prior criminal record. While this may be the case in other countries, it is not the case here, and I don't think any of us here in the US would prefer to live under the system of government in place in those countries where death is a possible consequence of shoplifting.

Therefore, I don't think it is fair to say "he deserved it" or "he got what he had coming" or "if he hadn't have shoplifted, this wouldn't have happened." While that may be technically true, it is not a reasonable consequence of his action any more than dying in an automobile accident is a reasonable consequence of purchasing and transporting recreational drugs.

Wal-Mart should have trained and managed their employees better. I don't think anyone would have been fired if the guy had gotten away, and I really doubt the employees would have been rewarded with raises or other tangible things had the guy survived and been prosecuted for the crime.
 
2012-11-26 05:46:57 AM  

OptimusHime: What one of those FBI warnings might look like. (video version, the 5-7 second card warnings are a pain too.)


Yeah, thanks for that. Now I'm going to be stuck watching "IT Crowd" clips and never get to sleep.
 
2012-11-26 05:49:21 AM  
Don't start no shiat, won't be no shiat.
 
2012-11-26 06:09:42 AM  
"No amount of merchandise is worth someone's life," Gee said in the statement,

Wait. This is an American person making that statement? I don't believe that for a minute.
 
2012-11-26 06:19:11 AM  

MilesTeg: So what's the problem?



I'm sure his death is it's own little micro-tragedy. But I admit I find it weird when one particular event causes an uproar when the other 45 (on a statistically average day in the U.S.) even more pointless homicides that day don't matter. 16000 people a year killed, many over something as stupid as a comment or a glance at the wrong person. Many people killed for no reason at all - which is surely more tragic than the death of a thief. So if I am not sitting here feeling outraged and self-righteous about those other 45 unjust pointless innocent deaths - I really just have to admit that this one guy dying during an attempted theft just really ranks as - meh, one less thief.
 
2012-11-26 06:36:09 AM  
As someone who used to bust shoplifters f
 
2012-11-26 06:44:43 AM  

jaybeezey: As someone who used to bust shoplifters f


Phone keypad is too small. Anyway... As someone who used to bust shoplifters for Kohls (until I finished my degree) I can say that you don't get into altercations in parking lots over this crap.

You don't know who else might be out there and what it might lead to.

I got into my share of fights, but some shoplifters enjoy that aspect of it. I just wanted to get the store's shiat back and earn my pay. The smart crack head professional shoplifters would use their babies as shields knowing that we wouldn't do anything that might hurt a kid.
 
2012-11-26 06:47:58 AM  

Wrencher: I predict suffocation from two fat-asses sitting on his chest while they waited for the real cops. It has happened many times before.


^ This.
 
2012-11-26 06:50:15 AM  

PaLarkin: The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.


That's right, kids. If you steal from wal-mart, they will farkING KILL you.
 
2012-11-26 06:51:03 AM  
Positional asphyxiation

/not all life is precious
 
2012-11-26 06:51:06 AM  

jedikinkoid: Wrencher: I predict suffocation from two fat-asses sitting on his chest while they waited for the real cops. It has happened many times before.

^ This.


holy shiat that link is awesome. no more looking at the microfiche at the library
 
2012-11-26 06:53:01 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: MilesTeg: So what's the problem?


I'm sure his death is it's own little micro-tragedy. But I admit I find it weird when one particular event causes an uproar when the other 45 (on a statistically average day in the U.S.) even more pointless homicides that day don't matter. 16000 people a year killed, many over something as stupid as a comment or a glance at the wrong person. Many people killed for no reason at all - which is surely more tragic than the death of a thief. So if I am not sitting here feeling outraged and self-righteous about those other 45 unjust pointless innocent deaths - I really just have to admit that this one guy dying during an attempted theft just really ranks as - meh, one less thief.


The media will not dwell on black on black crime. To them, it may as well not exist. Anything that goes against their pre-determined narrative isn't real.

/yay journalism!
 
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