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(NBC News)   New black Friday deal: shoplift 2 DVD players from Walmart, get a free trip to the morgue   (usnews.nbcnews.com ) divider line 280
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2012-11-26 12:57:21 AM  
I do believe this is just another example of our education crises. The employee thought that he was choking the chicken.
 
2012-11-26 12:57:28 AM  
Moran should not have stolen the DVD players.
 
2012-11-26 12:58:22 AM  
Those responsible for sacking the folks responsible for the sacking have been sacked.
 
2012-11-26 12:58:36 AM  
"No amount of merchandise is worth someone's life," Gee said in the statement, according to the Journal-Constitution.

I concur. For that reason, I recommend against risking one's life by attempting to shoplift merchandise.
 
2012-11-26 01:02:43 AM  
What's the over under on the parking lot security cameras mysteriously malfunctioning during the altercation?
 
2012-11-26 01:03:01 AM  
It's Georgia people. Even if they were too hard on him, they will get off. I guarantee it.

If I worked for Wal Mart there's no way in hell I would chase after someone. Might be me getting killed and I kind of like me.
 
2012-11-26 01:03:21 AM  

DownDaRiver: Why weren't they charged?
Dude died, it says they they were on him when the cops arrived. Witnesses say a choke hold hold was/maybe used. That's assult if nothing else.
Do Wal-Mart employees get the same kind of pass that cops do when they kill someone?


I wish. We're expected to take a lot of the same risks when it comes to protecting personal property with none of the authority comes with it. The fact they're not fird but on PTO while it gets sorted out sounds like they already know it wasnt their fault/they didnt rough the guy up and the company can prove it.
 
2012-11-26 01:03:54 AM  
I love how so many people in this thread are automatically assuming the dead guy was indeed shoplifting.

The My Little Pony Killer: How stupid are the cops that they didn't notice the man was unconscious until they were cuffing him?


You apparently are not familiar with DeKalb PD.

/great, now my WalMart is the "Murder WalMart"
 
2012-11-26 01:04:03 AM  

ExcaliburPrime111: It sounds like the guy probably died of something unrelated, but his death will certainly be thoroughly investigated. If any employee had violent contact with him that led to his death, they should expect a manslaughter charge, not to mention the multi-million dollar wrongful death lawsuit that will be filed against Walmart and the employees.


You can expect attorneys to line up to take this case. Walmart has deep pockets.

"No amount of merchandise is worth someone's life protracted litigation," Gee said in the statement, according to the Journal-Constitution. "Associates are trained to disengage from situations that would put themselves or others at risk."

Workers in retail, banks, you name it, should just let the thief walk rather than get into a physical altercation.
I don't even think these "stand your ground" laws covers chasing a thief down and killing him in the parking lot.
 
2012-11-26 01:05:08 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: How stupid are the cops that they didn't notice the man was unconscious until they were cuffing him?


my ex wife once walked into a patients room, chatted with her as she prepared to bathe her and only when she went to start did she realize the patient was dead.

the patient had been facing away and my ex had a tendency to just prattle on.
 
2012-11-26 01:06:30 AM  
How did a choke hold end up with a bloody nose?
 
2012-11-26 01:06:38 AM  
So what's the problem?
 
2012-11-26 01:07:52 AM  

Lucidz: How did a choke hold end up with a bloody nose?


Possibly a crushed larynx.
 
2012-11-26 01:09:00 AM  

fusillade762: "No amount of merchandise is worth someone's life,"

Especially not two DVD players. What are they these days, $20?


Apparently the guy was willing to risk his life to steal them rather than just pay for them like a normal person. I'm not saying he should have expected the particular response that he got, just that he should have known he was risking a response. How hard is it to NOT steal? I don't remember the last time I read an article about a shopkeeper or employee killing someone for buying something.
 
2012-11-26 01:10:38 AM  
So, something like this happened before.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Answers-sought-in-dea t h-outside-Wal-Mart-1917095.php

===
"About 30 people were saying, 'Let him up, it's too hot,' " Portz said. He said another employee brought a rug for Driver to lie on, but one of those holding Driver said he was fine where he was. "After about five minutes, (Driver) said, 'I'm dying, I can't breathe, call an ambulance,' " Portz said.
===

Hopefully there was a policy change.
 
2012-11-26 01:10:46 AM  
Dianna Gee, a Walmart spokeswoman, released a statement Sunday saying that both employees had been placed on paid leave.

You have GOT to be shiatting me. There is no reason for the employees to do anything more than call the cops and report this, we always hear about someone wh did nothing more than chase someone to the door and get fired, even delivery people who have fought back when being robbed because their lives were in danger, yet these guys get some time off with pay? What a joke. Hell, it's not even like they've got a Union trying to keep WallyWorld from firing them, we all know that.

The BEST they should have gotten was UNpaid suspension, the norm woud have been immediate termination.
 
2012-11-26 01:11:18 AM  

fnordfocus: I don't see anything in the story to suggest the guard might face charges.


How about this...

That's when he realized the man was unconscious and bleeding from the nose and mouth, according to WSBTV. Paramedics transported the man to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Just because charges weren't filed on the scene doesn't mean they aren't coming. Hell there is a real possibility three people are gonna get charged for manslaughter. And that store is gonna get the shiat sued out of it.
 
2012-11-26 01:12:48 AM  

dickfreckle: Do you realize what you're saying? You're blaming the victim in the same way saying a prostitute wouldn't have been choked to death if she weren't out there plying the trade. Both prostitution and shoplifting are crimes, but do they warrant death?

I will grant that we do not know if the employees were out of line or if it was an accident.

Nevertheless, the fact that you intimate that this is all his fault is pretty damn repugnant.


So your argument is he was stealing the DVD players in order to make enough money to survive? You sure you want to go with that tortured analogy? That's the argument that most women forced into prostitution use: they have no other way to make money than to sell themselves. Also, prostitution is regarded as a victimless crime, where shoplifting, um, isn't.

He died. It's a moral lesson to the surviving masses about stealing. Once in a while it happens, move on. And yeah, I'm hard pressed to find pity for "the victim". It's not something I'm worried about since I don't make a habit of trying to steal DVD players from Walmart; or stealing anything from anyone else, for that matter.

You don't want this to happen to you? Don't go stealing crap.
 
2012-11-26 01:14:03 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: This sounds like it'd inspire one of the inferior episodes of Law & Order. Where Lennie Briscoe quips, "Well, looks like checked out anyways" and the whole thing is an Aesop about corporate greed and cover-up.


/I miss Lennie :(
 
2012-11-26 01:14:20 AM  

ExcaliburPrime111: It sounds like the guy probably died of something unrelated,


Where do you get that? "Unrelated" how? Bleeding from the mouth and nose can happen from being choked to death, and if it was a health related issue, you can bet that the physical attack was the catalyst. Get a description, a license plate number, the make and model of the car, and which direction he was heading in then back off. Physical confrontations are not suposed to happen, and definitely not with one of the worker drones.
 
2012-11-26 01:14:50 AM  

effugas: ===
"About 30 people were saying, 'Let him up, it's too hot,' " Portz said. He said another employee brought a rug for Driver to lie on, but one of those holding Driver said he was fine where he was. "After about five minutes, (Driver) said, 'I'm dying, I can't breathe, call an ambulance,' " Portz said.
===

Hopefully there was a policy change.


Why? They got away with it last time, and they might think it acts as a deterrent.
 
2012-11-26 01:15:09 AM  
I worked for Winn-Dixie some years back, and we saw a guy with a steak stuffed in his jacket. I tried to keep him in the general vicinity of the shopping center until police arrived. And then he took off running, and stupid me chased after him across a four-lane highway. He got away, and the district manager was PISSED that I went after him.

One of my co-workers had a similar incident a couple of years before I did, except he did manage to stay in the parking lot. It did become an altercation, and the guy pulled out a knife. My co-worker said, "Thank you for shopping with us; have a nice night!"

But I see the point: just let it go. Get a description, watch where he goes, notify the police.
 
2012-11-26 01:17:28 AM  

bel4sucks: fnordfocus: I don't see anything in the story to suggest the guard might face charges.

How about this...

That's when he realized the man was unconscious and bleeding from the nose and mouth, according to WSBTV. Paramedics transported the man to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Just because charges weren't filed on the scene doesn't mean they aren't coming. Hell there is a real possibility three people are gonna get charged for manslaughter. And that store is gonna get the shiat sued out of it.


That's a reason there should be charges, but not a reason to think the authorities are considering any.

The employees involved are on "paid leave," which just like saying the event is "being taken seriously" means it will be ignored for a while and then the public will forget.
 
2012-11-26 01:18:03 AM  

PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


/it's just stuff
 
2012-11-26 01:18:29 AM  

devlin carnate: It's a moral lesson to the surviving masses about stealing. Once in a while it happens, move on.


Oh there will probably be lessons on both sides of this. Your example of "don't shoplift, cause remember that guy that got killed at Walmart"

The other being "Don't chase and detain a suspected shoplifter, which is against policy in the first place, because you'll end up in county on charges like those three dumbfarks"
 
2012-11-26 01:20:10 AM  
We almost made it through a black Friday weekend without a Walmart death.

Almost.
 
2012-11-26 01:20:35 AM  
At least someone admits that Wal-Mart's was founded by aliens.

zippythepinhead.com 

And that the IRS controls gravity.
 
2012-11-26 01:21:44 AM  

fnordfocus: DownDaRiver: Do Wal-Mart employees get the same kind of pass that cops do when they kill someone?

Notice the employees are on "paid leave." That's remarkably generous for a store that holds training sessions to help their employees apply for food stamps. Definitely they're getting treated like LEOs.


Opps, my bad
Let my outrage befuddle my clarity
 
2012-11-26 01:24:14 AM  
When a shoplifter grabs something and heads out the door you shouldn't even follow him, he may have friends outside. You certainly don't try to grab him and put him in a choke hold, you might get stabbed or shot. In this case you may be charged with manslaughter, lose your job and get sued. Even chasing him into traffic can be the wrong decision if one of you gets hurt or killed.

It's all about making choices. The law frowns on choices where people end up dead. Obviously this guy shouldn't have been shoplifting, but that is subordinated to his ending up dead.
 
2012-11-26 01:27:02 AM  

Mikey1969: ExcaliburPrime111: It sounds like the guy probably died of something unrelated,

Where do you get that? "Unrelated" how? Bleeding from the mouth and nose can happen from being choked to death, and if it was a health related issue, you can bet that the physical attack was the catalyst. Get a description, a license plate number, the make and model of the car, and which direction he was heading in then back off. Physical confrontations are not suposed [sic] to happen, and definitely not with one of the worker drones.



I believe it is unrelated because of Walmart's response of putting the workers on paid leave and the fact that the police did not immediately arrest them on suspicion of manslaughter (or at least some flavor of assault.) The article is poor in terms of offering all the details - to me it seems very likely that some altercation occurred in connection with the alleged shoplifting, but how that led to the death of the alleged shoplifter is completely unclear.

That said, in my full comment (not just the first sentence that you quoted), I made it clear that this death will be thoroughly investigated, and if it can be proven that any of the Walmart employees or security personnel did have physical contact with the alleged shoplifter that led to his death, then they will almost certainly face serious criminal charges, as well as huge civil cases for wrongful death, both on the employees and on Walmart.
 
2012-11-26 01:37:37 AM  
Slightly more informative article

/should I feel bad that I'm relived that I discovered that this -isn't- the one I sometimes go to?
//also, people still outright assuming the alleged shoplifter is automatically guilty
 
2012-11-26 01:39:18 AM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-11-26 01:43:28 AM  
I think the most important lesson here is that Walmart should train its employees properly. I mean, it isn't very difficult to apply a proper choke to someone, maybe 10 seconds and they go to sleep. At that point you can recover the merchandise, without someone getting hurt!

/Been choked a lot, but never unconcious
 
2012-11-26 01:45:41 AM  

ExcaliburPrime111: That said, in my full comment (not just the first sentence that you quoted)


I quoted the part that I had a problem with. When three people get in a physical altercation with a single person, and that person ends up dead on the ground, it's 'related'. Strangulation, death by beating, death by heart attack, it doesn't matter, it's going to be related to the fact that he died while being physically restrained by these employees. It doesn't necessarily mean that it was a criminal act, though.

I agree though that the article isn't the most informative thing ever written, but the police don't always make an arrest, even when someone dies. At this point, the DA will have to decide if he/she wants to pursue charges at this point. These WallyWorld guys are screwed though if the family decides to go for a civil suit. Stay away from those things like the plague. If someone ever threatens one, run like hell, because the rights you have in a criminal courtroom are pretty much thrown out the window.
 
2012-11-26 01:46:16 AM  
I sincerely hope whoever did the murder goes to jail, whatever the situation. I don't know what it is about these stories that makes minimum wage drones think they are superheroes who have the right to assault someone over what amounts to chump change. It's not their shiat that's being stolen, it's an expected loss by corporate that is planned into their budget, and the best outcome from intervening is that you get to keep your job even though you violated policy.

But I guess if they were smart they wouldn't be some Wal-Mart toady, huh
 
2012-11-26 01:46:47 AM  
Wal-Mart: If you think our customers are the dregs of humanity, you haven't met our employees yet.
 
2012-11-26 01:47:30 AM  

Mad Mark: [i.chzbgr.com image 500x312]


Wouldn't karma be if someone stole the dvd players from him? Seems kinda harsh that karma for stealing a cheap piece of consumer electronics is instant death.
 
2012-11-26 01:47:31 AM  

The Bestest: Slightly more informative article

/should I feel bad that I'm relived that I discovered that this -isn't- the one I sometimes go to?
//also, people still outright assuming the alleged shoplifter is automatically guilty


The way this article is phrased, it sounds like the actual asset protection guy is the one who got fired, and the other two were random employees. It makes a lot more sense that way, the AP knew better and got fired straight up, the other two are probably on hold while WalMart Legal decides if they can get away with 'He told us to' in court.
 
2012-11-26 01:48:07 AM  
Also, who the fark was the security guy? Babalu!?!?

/obscure?
 
2012-11-26 01:48:52 AM  

Beta Tested: I think the most important lesson here is that Walmart should train its employees properly. I mean, it isn't very difficult to apply a proper choke to someone, maybe 10 seconds and they go to sleep. At that point you can recover the merchandise, without someone getting hurt!

/Been choked a lot, but never unconcious


www.flowtown.com
 
2012-11-26 01:50:28 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Mad Mark: [i.chzbgr.com image 500x312]

Wouldn't karma be if someone stole the dvd players from him? Seems kinda harsh that karma for stealing a cheap piece of consumer electronics is instant death.


That's ridiculous. It wasn't Guy took a few hours to die; nothing instant about it.
 
2012-11-26 01:51:09 AM  

untaken_name: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Mad Mark: [i.chzbgr.com image 500x312]

Wouldn't karma be if someone stole the dvd players from him? Seems kinda harsh that karma for stealing a cheap piece of consumer electronics is instant death.

That's ridiculous. It wasn't Guy took a few hours minutes to die; nothing instant about it.

FTFM.
 
2012-11-26 01:51:33 AM  

untaken_name: Beta Tested: I think the most important lesson here is that Walmart should train its employees properly. I mean, it isn't very difficult to apply a proper choke to someone, maybe 10 seconds and they go to sleep. At that point you can recover the merchandise, without someone getting hurt!

/Been choked a lot, but never unconcious

[www.flowtown.com image 560x373]


Yea... I read that in his voice too now...

/Ashamed
 
2012-11-26 01:55:12 AM  

Mikey1969: ExcaliburPrime111: That said, in my full comment (not just the first sentence that you quoted)

I quoted the part that I had a problem with. When three people get in a physical altercation with a single person, and that person ends up dead on the ground, it's 'related'. Strangulation, death by beating, death by heart attack, it doesn't matter, it's going to be related to the fact that he died while being physically restrained by these employees. It doesn't necessarily mean that it was a criminal act, though.

I agree though that the article isn't the most informative thing ever written, but the police don't always make an arrest, even when someone dies. At this point, the DA will have to decide if he/she wants to pursue charges at this point. These WallyWorld guys are screwed though if the family decides to go for a civil suit. Stay away from those things like the plague. If someone ever threatens one, run like hell, because the rights you have in a criminal courtroom are pretty much thrown out the window.



We still do not have a cause of death, although the coroner's office might be able to provide that as early as Monday. You also acknowledge that "it doesn't necessarily mean that it was a criminal act" and it is certainly possible that some natural cause of death, unrelated to any altercation, caused the alleged shoplifter to die.

Based on the facts as stated in the article, I find it difficult to believe that the police would not arrest the person who allegedly applied a choke hold if the victim died from it. Even so, if the cause of death is asphyxiation, then we will see a "Follow Up" pretty soon about criminal charges and wrongful death lawsuits.
 
2012-11-26 02:04:00 AM  
Slightly different story reported by Huffington Post

The police report said that the alleged shoplifter left the Walmart through the front door with two DVD players at around 1:30 a.m. Sunday morning. He was detained in the parking lot by two Walmart associates and a security officer.

Police arrived to find the employees on top of the suspect, who was reportedly unresponsive and bleeding from his nose and mouth.

A preliminary investigation indicates the victim was placed in a chokehold by the security officer, reports The Atlanta Journal Constitution. However, the cause of death has not yet been released.

According to a statement from Walmart spokeswoman Dianna Gee, the security officer is no longer working for Walmart, and the two associates involved in the altercation have been suspended without pay.
 
2012-11-26 02:04:11 AM  

Misidea: DownDaRiver: Why weren't they charged?
Dude died, it says they they were on him when the cops arrived. Witnesses say a choke hold hold was/maybe used. That's assult if nothing else.
Do Wal-Mart employees get the same kind of pass that cops do when they kill someone?

I wish. We're expected to take a lot of the same risks when it comes to protecting personal property with none of the authority comes with it. The fact they're not fird but on PTO while it gets sorted out sounds like they already know it wasnt their fault/they didnt rough the guy up and the company can prove it.


I get what you're saying, but
They had no authority to step out the door after the guy, other than to make an attempt to ID a vehicle let alone confront him and make physical contact. They knew that, its ingrained during their training.
Not much of a difference than anyone else. If anyone makes an aggresive physical contact with another, there is at least a basis for assult.
Unless the guy collasped as they approached him, again they are not authorized to do that, and they were rendering first aid, also something they know they can't do unless fully trained and authorized by management, so the cops choose not to charge them at the time.
 
2012-11-26 02:08:13 AM  
Discount double choke?
 
2012-11-26 02:09:10 AM  

devlin carnate: dickfreckle: Do you realize what you're saying? You're blaming the victim in the same way saying a prostitute wouldn't have been choked to death if she weren't out there plying the trade. Both prostitution and shoplifting are crimes, but do they warrant death?

I will grant that we do not know if the employees were out of line or if it was an accident.

Nevertheless, the fact that you intimate that this is all his fault is pretty damn repugnant.

So your argument is he was stealing the DVD players in order to make enough money to survive? You sure you want to go with that tortured analogy? That's the argument that most women forced into prostitution use: they have no other way to make money than to sell themselves. Also, prostitution is regarded as a victimless crime, where shoplifting, um, isn't.

He died. It's a moral lesson to the surviving masses about stealing. Once in a while it happens, move on. And yeah, I'm hard pressed to find pity for "the victim". It's not something I'm worried about since I don't make a habit of trying to steal DVD players from Walmart; or stealing anything from anyone else, for that matter.

You don't want this to happen to you? Don't go stealing crap.


Tortured analogy? Enough money to survive? You're nitpicking over which crime I chose as an example? instead of responding to the overall moral question I posed? Fine, I'll change the farking job title:

How about stealing the cash equivalent of two cheap DVD players from the register at McDonald's. Is your scorn still upon the thief, or the manager who killed him over a pittance? What I'm saying is that you're blaming the victim (even if said victim is a criminal) instead of the people who actually killed him.

I picked prostitution because it's a low-level crime wherein the victim is typically blamed when something befalls her or him (as you are doing). No, not all prostitutes do it to "survive." Call girls make small fortunes but that won't stop some creep from choking her to death. I guess she deserves it too, eh? In the next Fark greenlight about a hooker being murdered, are you still to stand by your "tortured" logic?
 
2012-11-26 02:10:48 AM  

Fark Me Runnin: We almost made it through a black Friday weekend without a Walmart death.

Almost.


If you don't count the Walmart employee who was trampled to death in Long Island.
Link
 
2012-11-26 02:12:07 AM  

PaLarkin: Maybe the Walmart loss prevention people overreacted. Maybe they didn't. Did the guy try to fight the store employees or not? The article doesn't say. Let's assume for the moment the Walmart people overreacted. The fact remains if they guy hadn't tried to steal the dvd players, he wouldn't be dead right now. He brought it on himself. Nobody made him go in there and steal.

I'm sure somebody here will post something saying I'm a mean, cruel, heartless person because I don't feel sorry for the poor little thief. And the evil corporation should just give stuff away and it's their selfishness that caused this. How many of you would be so generous if it were your stuff the guy was stealing?


Assclown, if I caught someone stealing from my car I wouldn't kill them. I'd use reasonable force if I felt I could do so, I would let them run away with whatever it was if not. You don't overwhelm someone with lethal force over a petty theft. Reasonable force, yes, of course. Kill them? Guess what... now YOU are the bad guy.
 
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