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2012-11-25 04:05:19 PM
Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.
 
2012-11-25 04:05:33 PM
i1120.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-25 04:06:02 PM
That's some fine work there detective....
 
GBB
2012-11-25 04:07:51 PM
 
2012-11-25 04:08:05 PM

WTF Indeed: [i1120.photobucket.com image 400x321]


I like you.

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-25 04:08:52 PM
And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....
 
2012-11-25 04:09:41 PM

WTF Indeed:


Window seat, please.
 
2012-11-25 04:10:43 PM
I fail to see the big problem......The glove didn't fit!!!

Oh, wait....nevermind!
 
2012-11-25 04:11:11 PM
Man, if they didn't rush into the trial; they could have discovered this and she still would have gotten acquitted. At best; it proves someone looked it up on her computer, not who.
 
2012-11-25 04:11:38 PM
i291.photobucket.com

/aisle seat please
 
2012-11-25 04:11:40 PM

Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....


As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

Not that I'm doing or planning to do anything illegal.
 
2012-11-25 04:11:51 PM
Whatever
www.infamoushotties.com 

/ Hot
// In more ways than one
 
2012-11-25 04:14:27 PM

jaytkay: Whatever
[www.infamoushotties.com image 450x337] 

/ Hot
// In more ways than one


What do they always say around here about sticking something in crazy?? Double so for this one!
 
2012-11-25 04:15:03 PM
Total incompetence by the prosecution team. And they should have filed a secondary charge of child endangerment. No way she would have beat that and at least served a few more months.
 
2012-11-25 04:15:50 PM

DoomPaul: Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....

As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

Not that I'm doing or planning to do anything illegal.


It would prevent your ISP from knowing what you're doing, but your browser history would remain (unless you securely delete it) as well as any logs on the sites you visit.

Not that I do anything illegal, of course.
 
2012-11-25 04:15:56 PM
This is what you get when your cybercime "expert" is a cop who can run a file undeletion utility in Windows. In this case, the suspect was dumb as dirt and that didn't even help the investigators.
 
2012-11-25 04:17:37 PM

WTF Indeed: [i1120.photobucket.com image 400x321]


Oh wow, feel bad for laughing but.... lol
 
2012-11-25 04:20:34 PM

MisterBill: DoomPaul: Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....

As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

Not that I'm doing or planning to do anything illegal.

It would prevent your ISP from knowing what you're doing, but your browser history would remain (unless you securely delete it) as well as any logs on the sites you visit.

Not that I do anything illegal, of course.


Thank you.

We shall both continue doing nothing illegal.
 
2012-11-25 04:20:56 PM
morons!
 
2012-11-25 04:25:23 PM
I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.
 
2012-11-25 04:26:36 PM
I'm no lawyer but aren't you suppose to introduce evidence during the trial?
 
2012-11-25 04:27:00 PM
I knew smug Opera and Safari users could get away with murder, but I didn' know tha Firefox was nearly as good.
 
2012-11-25 04:27:26 PM
Encrypt using truecrypt, password and fingerprint access required, non-logging vpn for all internet activity.

How you like me now, son?
 
2012-11-25 04:27:48 PM
Here's your problem

images.mstarz.com
 
2012-11-25 04:27:53 PM
And for those of you saying "Wow, Casey's pretty hot," remember:

weknowmemes.com
 
2012-11-25 04:29:06 PM

Coco LaFemme: I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.


All of ^^^this^^ plus the fact that her parents forced her to carry the pregnancy.
 
2012-11-25 04:30:06 PM

Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....


It said in TFA that they were computer experts. Don't downplay the seemingly impossible task of checking browser history. These guys are pros.
 
2012-11-25 04:30:57 PM

Butthurted: What do they always say around here about sticking something in crazy?? Double so for this one!


Hot & crazy? Why not?

/ Oh wait, that's why I'm divorced
// I am not hot, you do the math
 
2012-11-25 04:32:48 PM

jaytkay: Butthurted: What do they always say around here about sticking something in crazy?? Double so for this one!

Hot & crazy? Why not?

/ Oh wait, that's why I'm divorced
// I am not hot, you do the math


Which is why I suggest changing your nick to jaytkayOH.
 
2012-11-25 04:32:53 PM

WTF Indeed: [i1120.photobucket.com image 400x321]


:( I winced at that.

----

The prosecution team was obviously completely incompetent here. That doesn't mean this evidence would have convinced the jury though, nor does it mean there was enough evidence to convict anyway. I don't suppose there are other people out there who have considered that she just plain didn't do it, but is still just ultra-crazy?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-25 04:35:42 PM
As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

The investigation in this case involved browsing history on the computer drive. A VPN wouldn't help. A VPN would help if they asked Google for search history for 192.168.1.1 and you were secretly using 10.1.2.3. If you were logged into Google while searching, as many people are, a VPN or other tunnel would do you no googd.
 
2012-11-25 04:36:07 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Here's your problem

[images.mstarz.com image 368x278]


For every time she spoke the phrase "tot mom" I hope satan has another pineapple for her rectum.
 
2012-11-25 04:36:24 PM
I use two laptops, a tablet, and gave a neighbor wifi access. On a netbook that used to be mine.

If you accessed my internet history you'd have to piece together the histories from at least seven different web browsers. It's not unusual for me to use Chrome and Firefox at the same time.

Then all you'd have would be Fark, Fark links, hundreds of some seller side Amazon pages, randomized links to wikipedia and an unhealthy amount of hentai. By the time an investigator got anywhere all they'd know is I'm a bit warped, but they'd be hard pressed to prove anything.
 
2012-11-25 04:36:57 PM

DoomPaul: Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....

As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

Not that I'm doing or planning to do anything illegal.


There are numerous ways to leave no trail on the computer itself or with your ISP, or at least ways in which it makes it too expensive, time-consuming or beyond the technical expertise of most local police. But it's a bother and you only need to mess up once to leave enough evidence.

The easy way is to use a run-from-CD Linux distro or a Bart's PE CD that has TOR software installed; that setup saves nothing to a disk drive (you don't even need one in the computer) and makes it difficlt to track your Google searches and Internet activity. You can find .iso images of these on-line and burn your own copy as well as find some great cryptograhy software.

Nohing illegal in any of that, but besides being slow and a PITA, it also looks suspicious and investigators will likely work overtime finding other evidence of your crime since they would now be convinced of your guilt. They may not be the smartest, but they're not stupid and can be bulldog persistent, which usually pays off for them, especially when you make that inevitable mistake.
 
2012-11-25 04:37:57 PM
I remember reading about how some on the jury got harassed by self righteous Floridians over there decision.

/It's about evidence, not emotion.
 
2012-11-25 04:38:22 PM

wildcardjack: By the time an investigator got anywhere all they'd know is...


...an unhealthy amount of hentai.
 
2012-11-25 04:39:37 PM

Marshal805: I remember reading about how some on the jury got harassed by self righteous Floridians over theretheir decision.

/It's about evidence, not emotion.


FTFM
 
2012-11-25 04:40:11 PM

DoomPaul: Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....

As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

Not that I'm doing or planning to do anything illegal.


I pay a membership to a VPN, and they tell you as long as you're not doing anything illegal you're all set. And I think they don't keep month's worth of logs but they do warn you that if law enforcement comes to them with a subpoena for info on you, that they will turn over all info. I use a VPN if I'm on a public wi-fi and I'm checking email, bank accounts, stuff like that.

And that kid might have been safe if Casey had used Opera, since Opera seems to fark up properly formatted pages. I think Opera is a worse browser than Firefox.
 
2012-11-25 04:40:18 PM
*uninstalls Firefox*

Hah! You'll never catch me copper!
 
2012-11-25 04:42:21 PM
History is such a wonderful subject. See how you all forgot it was the asshat Prosecutor who decided it was the death penalty or nothing for murder one, assuming he would get his 15 minutes of fame. Well he did get his 15 minutes of fame after all, for not realizing the basics of a reasonable doubt defense would undermine his watertight case and oh by the way, don't ever count on a Florida jury. Jeff Ashton is his name and he single handedly gave Jose Baez and his client a free ride on any number of murder/manslaughter charges that the jury would have bought into.

/Save your hate, haters, the Prosecutors shot at fame cost Caylee Anthony her justice. not some dickwad IT Geek being a dickwad IT Geek.
 
2012-11-25 04:44:37 PM

Coco LaFemme: I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.


i.imgur.com

Thankfully, the law is not based on gut feelings and prejudices about "party girl whores".

She may have killed her child, but the case, as it was presented in a court of law, failed to convince a jury of her peers that she was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
 
2012-11-25 04:44:46 PM
Damn I'd love to nail her.

You know, in the legal sense.

As opposed to the butt.
 
2012-11-25 04:45:06 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.


Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

images.mstarz.com

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted.
 
2012-11-25 04:45:25 PM
I would fark the everliving shiat out of this woman and not feel bad at all that she killed her kid. In fact it would turn me on.
 
2012-11-25 04:45:39 PM
FTA: "Many jurors apparently went into hiding amid public outrage over the verdict and refused to comment,"

Moral of the story: For safety's sake, NEVER return an "unpopular" verdict.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-25 04:47:07 PM

iron de havilland: Coco LaFemme: I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.

[i.imgur.com image 552x411]

Thankfully, the law is not based on gut feelings and prejudices about "party girl whores".

She may have killed her child, but the case, as it was presented in a court of law, failed to convince a jury of her peers that she was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.


damn she should sell some of that stuff on pawn stars. stuff in boxes = stuff of value
 
2012-11-25 04:48:10 PM
Incompetent prosecutor says what?
 
2012-11-25 04:49:07 PM

Amos Quito: FTA: "Many jurors apparently went into hiding amid public outrage over the verdict and refused to comment,"

Moral of the story: For safety's sake, NEVER return an "unpopular" verdict.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x300]


America, where the government won't prosecute you for doing something unpopular but society damn well will.
 
2012-11-25 04:50:52 PM

iron de havilland: Coco LaFemme: I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.

[i.imgur.com image 552x411]

Thankfully, the law is not based on gut feelings and prejudices about "party girl whores".

She may have killed her child, but the case, as it was presented in a court of law, failed to convince a jury of her peers that she was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.


You know how I know you didn't read the full text of the post you quoted?
 
2012-11-25 04:52:33 PM

DoomPaul: Amos Quito: FTA: "Many jurors apparently went into hiding amid public outrage over the verdict and refused to comment,"

Moral of the story: For safety's sake, NEVER return an "unpopular" verdict.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x300]

America, where the government won't prosecute lynch you for doing something unpopular but society damn well will.



FTFY?
 
2012-11-25 04:54:17 PM

tzzhc4: Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.

Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

[images.mstarz.com image 300x226]

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted.


It is my opinion that Nancy Grace is the the most reprehensible person currently known within our society. Where as many seem to content to draw their distinctions along political, religious or even geographic divides, I tend to view the world as being comprised of two camps, those that would like to see her drawn and quartered and those that do not.
 
2012-11-25 04:54:45 PM

wambu: Nohing illegal in any of that, but besides being slow and a PITA, it also looks suspicious and investigators will likely work overtime finding other evidence of your crime since they would now be convinced of your guilt. They may not be the smartest, but they're not stupid and can be bulldog persistent, which usually pays off for them, especially when you make that inevitable mistake.


Even if you don't make a mistake, they would likely consider it guilt of something, on the basis of "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".

It's not unlike the Ohio law where drivers could be convicted for drug smuggling for simply having an empty compartment in their car.
 
2012-11-25 04:54:52 PM

iron de havilland:
[i.imgur.com image 552x411]


Gnee, throw some Norse rune tattoos around her neck and she looks like a psycho ex of mine.

/failed to heed the warnings about the proximity of genitals and crazy
//also failed to spot the crazy until it was too late
 
2012-11-25 04:56:56 PM

tzzhc4: Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.

Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

[images.mstarz.com image 300x226]

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted probably strikes a plea bargain to plead guilty to involuntary manslaughter and gets 10 years or so.


FTFY

Even at that, though, the DA should have had the stones to tell that harpy Grace that he was going to deal with the case it needed to be dealt with, not the way she wanted it.
 
2012-11-25 04:58:59 PM
www.seodisco.com
 
2012-11-25 05:00:21 PM

wildcardjack: I use two laptops, a tablet, and gave a neighbor wifi access. On a netbook that used to be mine.

If you accessed my internet history you'd have to piece together the histories from at least seven different web browsers. It's not unusual for me to use Chrome and Firefox at the same time.

Then all you'd have would be Fark, Fark links, hundreds of some seller side Amazon pages, randomized links to wikipedia and an unhealthy amount of hentai. By the time an investigator got anywhere all they'd know is I'm a bit warped, but they'd be hard pressed to prove anything.


I also remember reading about a program you can install which basically screws up any trends data-miners try to get by just randomly hitting various websites every so often. I don't remember the name or all the details, but the basic idea is to create so much noise that any data that is collected is essentially worthless.

Then again, I don't see how search history is anything but circumstantial. I've searched for a variety of topics which I had only a mild curiosity about.

I also don't have a Facebook account which according to some people is a red flag that I'm anti-social.
 
2012-11-25 05:00:49 PM

FatherChaos: And for those of you saying "Wow, Casey's pretty hot," remember:

[weknowmemes.com image 480x360]


Now how else are you going to find out if a woman is kill the first born crazy if you don't knock her up in the first place?
 
2012-11-25 05:01:30 PM

Butthurted: tzzhc4: Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.

Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

[images.mstarz.com image 300x226]

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted.

It is my opinion that Nancy Grace is the the most reprehensible person currently known within our society. Where as many seem to content to draw their distinctions along political, religious or even geographic divides, I tend to view the world as being comprised of two camps, those that would like to see her drawn and quartered and those that do not.



As upsetting as the Anthony case was, it paled in comparison to the melancholic nausea I experienced the day that Nancy Grace announced that she was pregnant.
 
2012-11-25 05:02:16 PM
I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

and the detectives in the Anthony case didn't even thoroughly check browser cache / history... wow.. I underpay my computer guy. Maybe I should have given him a bj...
 
2012-11-25 05:08:22 PM

diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.


Did the police do anything with it?
 
2012-11-25 05:09:52 PM

wambu: There are numerous ways to leave no trail on the computer itself or with your ISP, or at least ways in which it makes it too expensive, time-consuming or beyond the technical expertise of most local police.


img819.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-25 05:10:18 PM

diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

and the detectives in the Anthony case didn't even thoroughly check browser cache / history... wow.. I underpay my computer guy. Maybe I should have given him a bj...


As a guy I'm gonna go ahead and say it's not too late.
 
2012-11-25 05:11:59 PM

FitzShivering: diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

Did the police do anything with it?


Yes.. They arrested the woman in Florida. It was her 3rd strike. Her lawyer called to ask about reparations.. I told him she could die in prison and I'd call it square.. He hung up on me.
 
2012-11-25 05:13:02 PM

dstanley: diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

and the detectives in the Anthony case didn't even thoroughly check browser cache / history... wow.. I underpay my computer guy. Maybe I should have given him a bj...

As a guy I'm gonna go ahead and say it's not too late.


ROFL! I never thought about it that way...
 
2012-11-25 05:13:09 PM

Amos Quito: Butthurted: tzzhc4: Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.

Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

[images.mstarz.com image 300x226]

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted.

It is my opinion that Nancy Grace is the the most reprehensible person currently known within our society. Where as many seem to content to draw their distinctions along political, religious or even geographic divides, I tend to view the world as being comprised of two camps, those that would like to see her drawn and quartered and those that do not.


As upsetting as the Anthony case was, it paled in comparison to the melancholic nausea I experienced the day that Nancy Grace announced that she was pregnant.


Damn, My mind, in an effort of self preservation, had almost blotted that from all recollection. The fact she was able to procreate is further proof of the absence of a fair and just Skywizard
 
2012-11-25 05:13:40 PM

diaphoresis: FitzShivering: diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

Did the police do anything with it?

Yes.. They arrested the woman in Florida. It was her 3rd strike. Her lawyer called to ask about reparations.. I told him she could die in prison and I'd call it square.. He hung up on me.


internethighfive.jpg

and second to dstanley's comment. it's not too late.
 
2012-11-25 05:16:44 PM

Coco LaFemme: iron de havilland: Coco LaFemme: I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.

[i.imgur.com image 552x411]

Thankfully, the law is not based on gut feelings and prejudices about "party girl whores".

She may have killed her child, but the case, as it was presented in a court of law, failed to convince a jury of her peers that she was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

You know how I know you didn't read the full text of the post you quoted?


but I don't have to like it.

Says enough for me.
 
2012-11-25 05:19:03 PM
Windows won't actually delete files you "delete". (At least not until you run out of free space)

What you want is this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/eraser/

& This: http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=cascades

& This: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314834

& This: https://www.google.com/search?q=live+cd&rlz=1C1LDJZ_enUS508US508&oq=li ve+cd&aqs=chrome.0.57j60j61j60j62l2.2671&sugexp=chrome,mod=10&sourceid =chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
2012-11-25 05:24:03 PM

Happy Hours: I also don't have a Facebook account which according to some people is a red flag that I'm anti-social.


Or at least anti-social networking.
 
2012-11-25 05:24:38 PM

PhiloeBedoe: I'm no lawyer but aren't you suppose to introduce evidence during the trial?


The only one responsible for introducing evidence to the trial is the prosecutor- not the defense attorney. The Prosecutor is the one bringing the case and has a duty duty to submit all evidence to the defense team under a process called discovery.
 
2012-11-25 05:25:30 PM

citizenj: Encrypt using truecrypt, password and fingerprint access required, non-logging vpn for all internet activity.

How you like me now, son?


Truecrypt is a direct read for you know who.
 
2012-11-25 05:29:10 PM

the ha ha guy: wambu: Nohing illegal in any of that, but besides being slow and a PITA, it also looks suspicious and investigators will likely work overtime finding other evidence of your crime since they would now be convinced of your guilt. They may not be the smartest, but they're not stupid and can be bulldog persistent, which usually pays off for them, especially when you make that inevitable mistake.

Even if you don't make a mistake, they would likely consider it guilt of something, on the basis of "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".


So much for civil liberties America.

It's not unlike the Ohio law where drivers could be convicted for drug smuggling for simply having an empty compartment in their car.

I purchased a former drug-smuggling boat at a government auction (great boat, great deal, great story about it). There were several voids/hidden compartments in the boat that had been used to hide drugs. Each one had a sticker atached that warned that it was a crime to cover them up. The stickers somehow came loose before I sold that fun, fun boat (11-meter Scarab).

/"Yes your Honor, he covered up a hole in his boat. We ask for the death penalty."
 
2012-11-25 05:29:15 PM

Butthurted: tzzhc4: Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.

Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

[images.mstarz.com image 300x226]

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted.

It is my opinion that Nancy Grace is the the most reprehensible person currently known within our society. Where as many seem to content to draw their distinctions along political, religious or even geographic divides, I tend to view the world as being comprised of two camps, those that would like to see her drawn and quartered and those that do not.


But if there was a hardcore porno of her putting stress cracks in Ann Coulter's boyish pelvis thanks to the vigorous and prolonged thrusting of Nancy Grace's epic-sized strap-on, would it twitch?

Just a little?

I for one would be conflicted, and I like neither of those hags.
 
2012-11-25 05:35:27 PM

poe_zlaw: PhiloeBedoe: I'm no lawyer but aren't you suppose to introduce evidence during the trial?

The only one responsible for introducing evidence to the trial is the prosecutor- not the defense attorney. The Prosecutor is the one bringing the case and has a duty duty to submit all evidence to the defense team under a process called discovery.


The point I was trying to make is why is the Sheriff's Dept. releasing this information now? What good does it do other than to deliberately imply guilt? She was tried and found not guilty, they had their shot.
 
2012-11-25 05:35:36 PM

Valiente: Butthurted: tzzhc4: Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.

Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

[images.mstarz.com image 300x226]

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted.

It is my opinion that Nancy Grace is the the most reprehensible person currently known within our society. Where as many seem to content to draw their distinctions along political, religious or even geographic divides, I tend to view the world as being comprised of two camps, those that would like to see her drawn and quartered and those that do not.

But if there was a hardcore porno of her putting stress cracks in Ann Coulter's boyish pelvis thanks to the vigorous and prolonged thrusting of Nancy Grace's epic-sized strap-on, would it twitch?

Just a little?

I for one would be conflicted, and I like neither of those hags.


Holy shiat sometimes you people give me nightmares. UGH.
 
2012-11-25 05:43:55 PM

Valiente: Butthurted: tzzhc4: Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.

Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

[images.mstarz.com image 300x226]

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted.

It is my opinion that Nancy Grace is the the most reprehensible person currently known within our society. Where as many seem to content to draw their distinctions along political, religious or even geographic divides, I tend to view the world as being comprised of two camps, those that would like to see her drawn and quartered and those that do not.

But if there was a hardcore porno of her putting stress cracks in Ann Coulter's boyish pelvis thanks to the vigorous and prolonged thrusting of Nancy Grace's epic-sized strap-on, would it twitch?

Just a little?

I for one would be conflicted, and I like neither of those hags.


Although "it" twitches from the mere sight of a ill-concealed bra strap while stalking the regulars at the Queen sized aisle of the local Wallyworld, the idea of an Ann Coulter/Nancy Grace scissor-lock being committed to film for all of posterity to witness sends a shiver most evil down my spine and causes my (rather sizable, of course) man parts to pull as far within my body cavity, as possible, in an effort to escape the horror. Ohhhhh the horror.
 
2012-11-25 05:47:20 PM
Aw come on, who here wouldn't get Casey Anthony, Ann Coulter and Nancy Grace in a pile? Granted Nancy would have to be on the bottom of the pile so she doesn't pop the other two like a zit.
 
2012-11-25 05:50:22 PM

PhiloeBedoe: poe_zlaw: PhiloeBedoe: I'm no lawyer but aren't you suppose to introduce evidence during the trial?

The only one responsible for introducing evidence to the trial is the prosecutor- not the defense attorney. The Prosecutor is the one bringing the case and has a duty duty to submit all evidence to the defense team under a process called discovery.

The point I was trying to make is why is the Sheriff's Dept. releasing this information now? What good does it do other than to deliberately imply guilt? She was tried and found not guilty, they had their shot.


Maybe they're hoping for a random shooting and the gunman/gunwoman makes a mysterious getaway
 
2012-11-25 05:51:06 PM
Do your searches at www.duckduckgo.com, They don't track you. So if you delete things locally correctly and securely, nothing from them can be subpoenaed.

Supposedly.
 
2012-11-25 05:51:16 PM

diaphoresis: FitzShivering: diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

Did the police do anything with it?

Yes.. They arrested the woman in Florida. It was her 3rd strike. Her lawyer called to ask about reparations.. I told him she could die in prison and I'd call it square.. He hung up on me.


Excellent. That is very good to hear. Know of a few cases personally where the police just shrugged, so sounds like maybe at least a few departments are starting to understand the importance of what they're being given!

I hope you all got the identity stuff worked out, I know it's a bear to fix even after they catch the person. :(
 
2012-11-25 05:52:14 PM

wambu: DoomPaul: Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....

As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

Not that I'm doing or planning to do anything illegal.

There are numerous ways to leave no trail on the computer itself or with your ISP, or at least ways in which it makes it too expensive, time-consuming or beyond the technical expertise of most local police. But it's a bother and you only need to mess up once to leave enough evidence.

The easy way is to use a run-from-CD Linux distro or a Bart's PE CD that has TOR software installed; that setup saves nothing to a disk drive (you don't even need one in the computer) and makes it difficlt to track your Google searches and Internet activity. You can find .iso images of these on-line and burn your own copy as well as find some great cryptograhy software.

Nohing illegal in any of that, but besides being slow and a PITA, it also looks suspicious and investigators will likely work overtime finding other evidence of your crime since they would now be convinced of your guilt. They may not be the smartest, but they're not stupid and can be bulldog persistent, which usually pays off for them, especially when you make that inevitable mistake.


I use the linux live distros to repair windows boxes, and the browser functions aren't really that pita-y
 
2012-11-25 05:52:46 PM

PhiloeBedoe: poe_zlaw: PhiloeBedoe: I'm no lawyer but aren't you suppose to introduce evidence during the trial?

The only one responsible for introducing evidence to the trial is the prosecutor- not the defense attorney. The Prosecutor is the one bringing the case and has a duty duty to submit all evidence to the defense team under a process called discovery.

The point I was trying to make is why is the Sheriff's Dept. releasing this information now? What good does it do other than to deliberately imply guilt? She was tried and found not guilty, they had their shot.


They're trying (probably) to imply it's not THEIR fault she didn't get convicted...it's some lazy forensic computer investigator who didn't follow up on a lead. Likely because the prosecutor is on record as saying "It's too bad we didn't know about the search because we could have put the accidental death theory into question." Translation: It's not MY fault I didn't think of that sooner, it's the sheriff's office for not telling me something I should have thought of myself. It's all 13th hour ass-covering. The simple fact is that the DA went into the case without knowing if they even HAD a murder, much less who might have done it; so they never really had a case to start with.
 
2012-11-25 05:52:55 PM
No need to blame the jury, blame the incompetent forensic examiners.
 
2012-11-25 05:54:49 PM

FitzShivering: diaphoresis: FitzShivering: diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

Did the police do anything with it?

Yes.. They arrested the woman in Florida. It was her 3rd strike. Her lawyer called to ask about reparations.. I told him she could die in prison and I'd call it square.. He hung up on me.

Excellent. That is very good to hear. Know of a few cases personally where the police just shrugged, so sounds like maybe at least a few departments are starting to understand the importance of what they're being given!

I hope you all got the identity stuff worked out, I know it's a bear to fix even after they catch the person. :(


It took about 1yr. Even with court transcripts and an attorney, the credit monitors have their own set of rules about what and when anything can/will come off a credit report. It helped that all my other creditors had me on excellent terms and that we caught the fraud so early.
 
2012-11-25 05:55:05 PM

PhiloeBedoe: The point I was trying to make is why is the Sheriff's Dept. releasing this information now? What good does it do other than to deliberately imply guilt? She was tried and found not guilty, they had their shot.


Or somebody has a beef with somebody on the prosecution/police side
 
2012-11-25 05:55:47 PM

iron de havilland: Coco LaFemme: iron de havilland: Coco LaFemme: I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.

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Thankfully, the law is not based on gut feelings and prejudices about "party girl whores".

She may have killed her child, but the case, as it was presented in a court of law, failed to convince a jury of her peers that she was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

You know how I know you didn't read the full text of the post you quoted?

but I don't have to like it.

Says enough for me.


I guess you missed the part where I said my gut feelings don't change the jury's verdict, and their verdict should stand. I always love when people out their own ignorance and save me the trouble. There's no law written anywhere that says you have to like or agree with a jury's verdict.
 
2012-11-25 05:59:28 PM

martid4: Truecrypt is a direct read for you know who.


Voldemort?
 
2012-11-25 05:59:57 PM

diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

and the detectives in the Anthony case didn't even thoroughly check browser cache / history... wow.. I underpay my computer guy. Maybe I should have given him a bj...


Couldn't hurt.
 
2012-11-25 06:01:43 PM

diaphoresis: It took about 1yr. Even with court transcripts and an attorney, the credit monitors have their own set of rules about what and when anything can/will come off a credit report. It helped that all my other creditors had me on excellent terms and that we caught the fraud so early.


So even when given detailed and conclusive proof that if wasn't you, the credit monitors still keep these entries on your credit record?

Given that they then presumably share portions of this with people you might later apply for credit for, at some point they're going to do this to the wrong person, and the resulting class action lawsuit for libel is going to farking kill them.
 
2012-11-25 06:02:12 PM
it's not every Fark thread that goes to the Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom meets Josef Mengele honeymooning with the experiments level of erotica but today is special. Looks like daddy is going to have to put on the leather chaps and go looking for some fresh road kill tonight.
 
2012-11-25 06:02:54 PM
i235.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-25 06:03:59 PM
Florida.
'Nuf said.
 
2012-11-25 06:04:22 PM
I have no problems with this.

Sloppy investigative work should *always* result in a not guilty verdict. Every farking time. No, I don't care about gut feelings or how the victim feels or anything like that. If the prosecutor, who has the resources of the entire government behind him, can't do it the right way, it shouldn't be done at all.

It's the only thing that keeps us from sliding down the path to where people eventually get disappeared in the dead of night and pushed out of helicopters 10 miles from shore.
 
2012-11-25 06:05:21 PM
Just like Michael Jackson, I think she's guilty, but the prosecution didn't prove it. If the prosecution didn't prove the crimes, the juries did the right thing by acquitting. I see no reason to blame the juries of either case.

Those cases were far more circumstantial and hard to prove than the O.J. Simpson murders. For O.J., the prosecution proved it every which way, so we can blame that jury for being dumb. At least with him, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas for 15 years, so he's where he belongs.
 
2012-11-25 06:06:00 PM

bubo_sibiricus: I have no problems with this.

Sloppy investigative work should *always* result in a not guilty verdict. Every farking time. No, I don't care about gut feelings or how the victim feels or anything like that. If the prosecutor, who has the resources of the entire government behind him, can't do it the right way, it shouldn't be done at all.

It's the only thing that keeps us from sliding down the path to where people eventually get disappeared in the dead of night and pushed out of helicopters 10 miles from shore.


Wow... that's some nice slippery slope arguing, Lou.
 
2012-11-25 06:07:12 PM

reillan: bubo_sibiricus: I have no problems with this.

Sloppy investigative work should *always* result in a not guilty verdict. Every farking time. No, I don't care about gut feelings or how the victim feels or anything like that. If the prosecutor, who has the resources of the entire government behind him, can't do it the right way, it shouldn't be done at all.

It's the only thing that keeps us from sliding down the path to where people eventually get disappeared in the dead of night and pushed out of helicopters 10 miles from shore.

Wow... that's some nice slippery slope arguing, Lou.



and it's silly, since they'll keep the courts running just as they are long after they start disappearing us in the night.
 
2012-11-25 06:08:45 PM

reillan: Wow... that's some nice slippery slope arguing, Lou.


As if it doesn't happen every goddamned day in less-than-upright governments.

Remove the motivation to do the job right and you get piss poor results. This happens not only in government, but in industry and professions.
 
2012-11-25 06:08:52 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: diaphoresis: It took about 1yr. Even with court transcripts and an attorney, the credit monitors have their own set of rules about what and when anything can/will come off a credit report. It helped that all my other creditors had me on excellent terms and that we caught the fraud so early.

So even when given detailed and conclusive proof that if wasn't you, the credit monitors still keep these entries on your credit record?


Yes. The agencies have their own rules and practices. My attorney said I was lucky enough to get this fixed in a year. Sometimes they won't do anything at all.
 
2012-11-25 06:18:46 PM

Coco LaFemme: I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.


I don't. I think she was a shiatty mother, and the kid got killed because she wasn't paying attention and freaked when they found the kid in the pool. Stupid people tend to freak the frak out when forced to take responsibility for their actions (or lack of them).

Then the public made it into a witch hunt. They want revenge.

There were crimes committed after the fact, but I doubt it was anything other than negligence and shiatty parenting that would have never even got to the level it did if they just called 911 like normal fraking people. I mean, who kills their kid when they can just drop them off or put them up for adoption.
 
2012-11-25 06:23:20 PM

Coco LaFemme: I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.


I believe she killed the kid too--but more likely negligently than purposely. The kid prolly drowned in the pool while Casey was passed out or something. Then, knowing she was on the hook for criminally negligent homicide, made an extremely clumsy effort to cover it up by making it look like a kidnapping and murder. Her effort almost backfired, landing her in prison for murder.

Just the total incompetence of the cover up makes me thing it wasn't pre-planned. It was done by a person in complete denial about how bad it looked to everyone that no one had seen her kid for a month.
 
2012-11-25 06:33:17 PM
So can we have a "targeted assassination" of this woman by drone yet?

If anyone deserves it, it's her.
 
2012-11-25 06:35:45 PM

iheartscotch: At best; it proves someone looked it up on her computer, not who.


Another doctorate holder in CSI: Miami.

A large enough body of circumstantial evidence is sufficient by itself for a normal, intelligent person to believe beyond any reasonable doubt that a person is guilty. There comes a point at which smart people stop and think "boy... that sure is an awful lot of coincidences to happen to one person at one time without some driving force behind them".
 
2012-11-25 06:36:20 PM

BronyMedic: So can we have a "targeted assassination" of this woman by drone yet?

If anyone deserves it, it's her.



Nobody is stopping you, you internet tough motherfarker. Hop to it, badass.
 
2012-11-25 06:42:49 PM
Why did she need chloroform if it was an accident?
 
2012-11-25 06:44:06 PM

BSABSVR: BronyMedic: So can we have a "targeted assassination" of this woman by drone yet?

If anyone deserves it, it's her.


Nobody is stopping you, you internet tough motherfarker. Hop to it, badass.


By drone, does he mean my p3nis? And by assassination, does he mean vigorously thrusting it into her three primary orifices of copulation?

Cuz I'd be an internet tough guy for that.
 
2012-11-25 06:45:04 PM

LazerFish: Why did she need chloroform if it was an accident?


Chloroform is an essential part of any guys date kit. Someone probably just left it with her.
 
2012-11-25 06:45:47 PM

Baz744: Coco LaFemme: I truly believe she killed that kid, because she's a party girl whore who saw being a mother as getting in the way of being a party girl whore. Of course, my gut feelings don't equate to a guilty verdict, so the jury's opinion stands......but I don't have to like it.

I believe she killed the kid too--but more likely negligently than purposely. The kid prolly drowned in the pool while Casey was passed out or something. Then, knowing she was on the hook for criminally negligent homicide, made an extremely clumsy effort to cover it up by making it look like a kidnapping and murder. Her effort almost backfired, landing her in prison for murder.

Just the total incompetence of the cover up makes me thing it wasn't pre-planned. It was done by a person in complete denial about how bad it looked to everyone that no one had seen her kid for a month.


You gotta be careful in making determinations about what a grieving mother should look like...

Public and media opinion during the trial was polarised, with "fanciful rumours and sickening jokes" and many cartoons.[20][21] In particular, antagonism was directed towards Lindy Chamberlain for reportedly not behaving as a "stereotypical" grieving mother.[22] Much was made of the Chamberlains' Seventh-day Adventist religion, including false allegations that the church was actually a cult that killed infants as part of bizarre religious ceremonies,[23] that the family took a newborn baby to a remote desert location, and that Lindy Chamberlain showed little emotion during the proceedings.[citation needed]

... when the dingo did, in fact, eat her baby.

Then again, we're not a court of law. I kinda agree with you that that seems like the most likely explanation.
 
2012-11-25 06:46:46 PM

martid4: Chloroform is an essential part of any guys date kit. Someone probably just left it with her.


It can be used to clean things safely. Safely for the target surface, anyway. Maybe not so much the person doing the cleaning.

She's a woman. She should be cleaning. Seems legit.
 
2012-11-25 06:51:03 PM

BSABSVR: Nobody is stopping you, you internet tough motherfarker. Hop to it, badass.


Damn man. Easy. Look, I know it's awesome that you're the space shuttle door gunner and all, but you have some serious anger issues that need addressed.

images.wikia.com

citizenj: By drone, does he mean my p3nis? And by assassination, does he mean vigorously thrusting it into her three primary orifices of copulation?

Cuz I'd be an internet tough guy for that.


stat.mobli.com

You have fun in there.

cleanmyseptic.com.au
 
2012-11-25 06:55:50 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: iheartscotch: At best; it proves someone looked it up on her computer, not who.

Another doctorate holder in CSI: Miami.

A large enough body of circumstantial evidence is sufficient by itself for a normal, intelligent person to believe beyond any reasonable doubt that a person is guilty. There comes a point at which smart people stop and think "boy... that sure is an awful lot of coincidences to happen to one person at one time without some driving force behind them".


Circumstantial evidence is weak evidence. The reason it's called circumstantial evidence is that it really doesn't prove anything untoward happened.

Hair is circumstantial because all it proves is contact. Ex. You had contact with someone who recently had contact with the person in question.

Sometimes circumstantial evidence is enough for a conviction. Sometimes it isn't. It all depends on how the evidence is presented and how each lawyer deals with it.

/ I feel that a murder charge should not be allowed based on just on circumstantial evidence; I feel that there needs to be a smoking gun (read a factor that makes the intent to commit murder obvious) for murder. But, that's just me.
 
2012-11-25 06:58:26 PM

Butthurted: tzzhc4: Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.

Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

[images.mstarz.com image 300x226]

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted.

It is my opinion that Nancy Grace is the the most reprehensible person currently known within our society. Where as many seem to content to draw their distinctions along political, religious or even geographic divides, I tend to view the world as being comprised of two camps, those that would like to see her drawn and quartered and those that do not.


Which sucks because she covers interesting cases in depth. I wish I could watch her show. I tried the other day when she was reviewing the Hailey Dunn case, but I only made it half way to the commercial break before wanting to gouge out both my eyes and ears with a rusty screwdriver. Holy fark, she not only is the most annoying human on the planet, but for a supposed lawer, she cares very little for actual law or those pesky fact thingies, does she?

And what the hell is up with that nose?
 
2012-11-25 07:00:14 PM

Marshal805: Marshal805: I remember reading about how some on the jury got harassed by self righteous Floridians over theretheir decision.

/It's about evidence, not emotion.

FTFM


Do you feel superior now?
 
2012-11-25 07:04:05 PM
We do computer forensics occasionally.

You take a forensic image of the hard drive, kind of like a backup.

Then you feed the image into your processor, and end up with a database you can search.

It's up to the prosecutor to give the investigator what to look for. Keywords, etc. Suffocation and Death would have turned up the key words, where they were, and exact date and time. It's ridiculous to not do this. It's 101. Now - tying someone TO the computer, as actually sitting down and typing, at a certain date and time .. that's the hard part.
 
2012-11-25 07:04:17 PM

poe_zlaw: PhiloeBedoe: I'm no lawyer but aren't you suppose to introduce evidence during the trial?

The only one responsible for introducing evidence to the trial is the prosecutor- not the defense attorney. The Prosecutor is the one bringing the case and has a duty duty to submit all evidence to the defense team under a process called discovery.


The team that featured "that laughing guy over there."

/my favorite moment of that trial.
 
2012-11-25 07:13:06 PM
Nobody has offed this biatch yet? She must still be in hiding.
 
2012-11-25 07:15:52 PM

LazerFish: Why did she need chloroform if it was an accident?


And the duct tape.

Although the chloroform could still be an accident, if she only meant for the kid to be knocked out long enough for her to go party. But the duct tape - there's no reason for that other than suffocation.
 
2012-11-25 07:17:19 PM
Here's to hoping she does herself in whether intentionally or not.
 
2012-11-25 07:19:34 PM

namegoeshere: LazerFish: Why did she need chloroform if it was an accident?

And the duct tape.

Although the chloroform could still be an accident, if she only meant for the kid to be knocked out long enough for her to go party. But the duct tape - there's no reason for that other than suffocation.


Indeed. Why chloroform the kid if she drowned by accident in the pool? The only way chloroform knocks you out is if you're inhaling it, hence, alive. The BS about the pool drowning is BS.Crazy chick killed her kid because she didn't want it anymore and didn't want evil mommy (grandma) to have her, either.
 
2012-11-25 07:32:55 PM

MisterBill: DoomPaul: Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....

As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

Not that I'm doing or planning to do anything illegal.

It would prevent your ISP from knowing what you're doing, but your browser history would remain (unless you securely delete it) as well as any logs on the sites you visit.

Not that I do anything illegal, of course.


How would an VPN isolate you from your ISP?

Your connection would go Computer->ISP->VPN->Internet.

Your ISP still sees everything happening, however anyone on the other side of the VPN can't trace you further than that.

---

Maybe this is something you should look into before doing whatever you're doing?
 
2012-11-25 07:47:49 PM
I just wished that I didn't have to see more shiat on this coont every few weeks or so... Her 15 minutes were up 2 years ago...
 
2012-11-25 07:49:33 PM
I think the biggest crime here is that someone used google instead of Bing!
 
2012-11-25 08:02:12 PM

unfarkingbelievable: Marshal805: Marshal805: I remember reading about how some on the jury got harassed by self righteous Floridians over theretheir decision.

/It's about evidence, not emotion.

FTFM

Do you feel superior now?


To Florida? Absolutely.
 
2012-11-25 08:02:31 PM

spawn73: MisterBill: DoomPaul: Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....

As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

Not that I'm doing or planning to do anything illegal.

It would prevent your ISP from knowing what you're doing, but your browser history would remain (unless you securely delete it) as well as any logs on the sites you visit.

Not that I do anything illegal, of course.

How would an VPN isolate you from your ISP?

Your connection would go Computer->ISP->VPN->Internet.

Your ISP still sees everything happening, however anyone on the other side of the VPN can't trace you further than that.

---

Maybe this is something you should look into before doing whatever you're doing?


Generally, VPN connections are encrypted. The ISP can see that you connect to a particular IP Address, but cannot see the traffic that goes to the IP. That's why they're called Virtual Private Networks, not Virtual Public Networks.
 
2012-11-25 08:26:36 PM

martid4: Aw come on, who here wouldn't get Casey Anthony, Ann Coulter and Nancy Grace in a pile? Granted Nancy would have to be on the bottom of the pile so she doesn't pop the other two like a zit.


Make sure Casey gets your load. That way you don't have to worry about birth control.
 
2012-11-25 08:28:17 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: martid4: Aw come on, who here wouldn't get Casey Anthony, Ann Coulter and Nancy Grace in a pile? Granted Nancy would have to be on the bottom of the pile so she doesn't pop the other two like a zit.

Make sure Casey gets your load. That way you don't have to worry about birth control.


Or Ann. Dudes can't get preggers.
 
2012-11-25 08:31:43 PM

iheartscotch: Vegan Meat Popsicle: iheartscotch: At best; it proves someone looked it up on her computer, not who.

Another doctorate holder in CSI: Miami.

A large enough body of circumstantial evidence is sufficient by itself for a normal, intelligent person to believe beyond any reasonable doubt that a person is guilty. There comes a point at which smart people stop and think "boy... that sure is an awful lot of coincidences to happen to one person at one time without some driving force behind them".

Circumstantial evidence is weak evidence. The reason it's called circumstantial evidence is that it really doesn't prove anything untoward happened.

Hair is circumstantial because all it proves is contact. Ex. You had contact with someone who recently had contact with the person in question.

Sometimes circumstantial evidence is enough for a conviction. Sometimes it isn't. It all depends on how the evidence is presented and how each lawyer deals with it.

/ I feel that a murder charge should not be allowed based on just on circumstantial evidence; I feel that there needs to be a smoking gun (read a factor that makes the intent to commit murder obvious) for murder. But, that's just me.


Well, first of all there has to be a murder. That was ultimately why this particular case fell apart for the prosecution--they couldn't prove the child was even murdered (i.e., died at the hands of another human being) as opposed to her death being accidental. Their whole case boiled down to "Well, IF she was killed by EITHER being chloroformed or suffocated to death and IF her mother had had either the chloroform or duct tape which she got for the express purpose of killing her child, etc. etc. THEN this would be first-degree murder." But they couldn't even make that first connection. They had no solid evidence of how the child died.

Circumstantial evidence works well if there's a cause of death that can be tied to the physical evidence in the defendant's possession. If a victim is killed by being poisoned with arsenic, and the defendant ordered a pound of arsenic-based rat poison a week before the death and didn't have any other reason for doing so; then even if nobody saw the defendant poison the victim, that's pretty good circumstantial evidence. But that's not what we had here.
 
2012-11-25 08:40:01 PM

diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

and the detectives in the Anthony case didn't even thoroughly check browser cache / history... wow.. I underpay my computer guy. Maybe I should have given him a bj...




Have they sentenced her yet or is it still ongoing?
 
2012-11-25 08:50:39 PM

Gyrfalcon: iheartscotch: Vegan Meat Popsicle: iheartscotch: At best; it proves someone looked it up on her computer, not who.

Another doctorate holder in CSI: Miami.

A large enough body of circumstantial evidence is sufficient by itself for a normal, intelligent person to believe beyond any reasonable doubt that a person is guilty. There comes a point at which smart people stop and think "boy... that sure is an awful lot of coincidences to happen to one person at one time without some driving force behind them".

Circumstantial evidence is weak evidence. The reason it's called circumstantial evidence is that it really doesn't prove anything untoward happened.

Hair is circumstantial because all it proves is contact. Ex. You had contact with someone who recently had contact with the person in question.

Sometimes circumstantial evidence is enough for a conviction. Sometimes it isn't. It all depends on how the evidence is presented and how each lawyer deals with it.

/ I feel that a murder charge should not be allowed based on just on circumstantial evidence; I feel that there needs to be a smoking gun (read a factor that makes the intent to commit murder obvious) for murder. But, that's just me.

Well, first of all there has to be a murder. That was ultimately why this particular case fell apart for the prosecution--they couldn't prove the child was even murdered (i.e., died at the hands of another human being) as opposed to her death being accidental. Their whole case boiled down to "Well, IF she was killed by EITHER being chloroformed or suffocated to death and IF her mother had had either the chloroform or duct tape which she got for the express purpose of killing her child, etc. etc. THEN this would be first-degree murder." But they couldn't even make that first connection. They had no solid evidence of how the child died.

Circumstantial evidence works well if there's a cause of death that can be tied to the physical evidence in the defendant's possession. If a victim is killed by being poisoned with arsenic, and the defendant ordered a pound of arsenic-based rat poison a week before the death and didn't have any other reason for doing so; then even if nobody saw the defendant poison the victim, that's pretty good circumstantial evidence. But that's not what we had here.


I agree; they just didn't have the evidence to prove that the little girl had been murdered.

If they had waited; they might have found someway to prove that the girl had been murdered.

This way; the only way she could be convicted now is if she wrote a book titled, "how I done it". Even then, they could only get her for depriving the little girl of her civil rights.
 
2012-11-25 08:55:50 PM
Oh great, now my clueless boss is going to tell me to stop using FireFox because child-murderers use it. Bad PR, you know.

/already had one confrontation over it
//she said "that FireFox thing" wasn't approved
///so I asked for documentation that IE was required and never heard back from her
 
2012-11-25 08:57:32 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: diaphoresis: I have been the victim of identity theft. Fortunately 2 things occurred:

1. I know a brilliant computer guy who knew how to get the records ISPs say they don't keep on customers
2. The identity thief did everything by Internet

He literally helped me find out who did it, what her REAL name/SSN/birthdate/address was, and handed the cops over a ream of paper detailing everything.

and the detectives in the Anthony case didn't even thoroughly check browser cache / history... wow.. I underpay my computer guy. Maybe I should have given him a bj...



Have they sentenced her yet or is it still ongoing?


She got 15yrs.. she had stolen more than 1 identity apparently. This was about a year ago.
 
2012-11-25 09:24:02 PM

Valiente: Butthurted: tzzhc4: Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.

Casey Anthony got off because Nancy Grace made it a national media mess by blabbing about it daily on her herp derp show.

[images.mstarz.com image 300x226]

If Nancy Grace hadn't taken up her cause than Casey wouldn't have gotten a good lawyer and would have probably been convicted.

It is my opinion that Nancy Grace is the the most reprehensible person currently known within our society. Where as many seem to content to draw their distinctions along political, religious or even geographic divides, I tend to view the world as being comprised of two camps, those that would like to see her drawn and quartered and those that do not.

But if there was a hardcore porno of her putting stress cracks in Ann Coulter's boyish pelvis thanks to the vigorous and prolonged thrusting of Nancy Grace's epic-sized strap-on, would it twitch?

Just a little?

I for one would be conflicted, and I like neither of those hags.


My bunk. I'll be in it.
 
2012-11-25 09:41:22 PM

DoomPaul: MisterBill: DoomPaul: Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....

As a mostly technically ignorant individual, would using a VPN help cover one's tracks or is everything saved on your computer?

Not that I'm doing or planning to do anything illegal.

It would prevent your ISP from knowing what you're doing, but your browser history would remain (unless you securely delete it) as well as any logs on the sites you visit.

Not that I do anything illegal, of course.

Thank you.

We shall both continue doing nothing illegal.


Or you could use two separate erasing utilities on browser exit and run a more thorough, weekly erasure with a third utility that gives the option for several different types of passes (DoD, Schneier, British HMG, Gutmann, etc) and includes the option to replace erased files with random data or any file you select for plausible deniability purposes.

I actually don't do anything illegal (that I know of... though I might smuggle a Big Gulp into NYC next time I'm there). I'm just former intel.
 
2012-11-25 09:48:48 PM

LazarusLong42: WTF Indeed: [i1120.photobucket.com image 400x321]

:( I winced at that.

----

The prosecution team was obviously completely incompetent here. That doesn't mean this evidence would have convinced the jury though, nor does it mean there was enough evidence to convict anyway. I don't suppose there are other people out there who have considered that she just plain didn't do it, but is still just ultra-crazy?


They overreached and went for the wrong charge without the evidence to convict on that charge. Loved the comment on TFA where someone said the jury wasn't reasonable and believed the defense team. Reasonable doubt: I do not think it means what they think it means. The defense did their job; the prosecution did not. They could have gone murder two or even manslaughter with child endangerment or neglect attached and met the burden of proof. They went for the big charge thanks to that cow on CNN, rushed it to trial - again thanks to that cow on CNN - and did not adequately prepare their case.

IANAL, but does the prosecution have grounds to appeal or go after Baez and the defense team for misconduct due to not presenting the facts of the computer analysis during discovery? Or do only prosecutors have to share information that benefits the other side obtained during their investigation?
 
2012-11-25 10:38:55 PM

iheartscotch: Vegan Meat Popsicle: iheartscotch: At best; it proves someone looked it up on her computer, not who.

Another doctorate holder in CSI: Miami.

A large enough body of circumstantial evidence is sufficient by itself for a normal, intelligent person to believe beyond any reasonable doubt that a person is guilty. There comes a point at which smart people stop and think "boy... that sure is an awful lot of coincidences to happen to one person at one time without some driving force behind them".

Circumstantial evidence is weak evidence. The reason it's called circumstantial evidence is that it really doesn't prove anything untoward happened.

Hair is circumstantial because all it proves is contact. Ex. You had contact with someone who recently had contact with the person in question.

Sometimes circumstantial evidence is enough for a conviction. Sometimes it isn't. It all depends on how the evidence is presented and how each lawyer deals with it.

/ I feel that a murder charge should not be allowed based on just on circumstantial evidence; I feel that there needs to be a smoking gun (read a factor that makes the intent to commit murder obvious) for murder. But, that's just me.


Enough circumstancial evidence generally means the defendant is either guilty, or incredibly unlucky.
 
2012-11-25 10:52:43 PM

Aigoo: LazarusLong42: WTF Indeed: [i1120.photobucket.com image 400x321]

:( I winced at that.

----

The prosecution team was obviously completely incompetent here. That doesn't mean this evidence would have convinced the jury though, nor does it mean there was enough evidence to convict anyway. I don't suppose there are other people out there who have considered that she just plain didn't do it, but is still just ultra-crazy?

They overreached and went for the wrong charge without the evidence to convict on that charge. Loved the comment on TFA where someone said the jury wasn't reasonable and believed the defense team. Reasonable doubt: I do not think it means what they think it means. The defense did their job; the prosecution did not. They could have gone murder two or even manslaughter with child endangerment or neglect attached and met the burden of proof. They went for the big charge thanks to that cow on CNN, rushed it to trial - again thanks to that cow on CNN - and did not adequately prepare their case.

IANAL, but does the prosecution have grounds to appeal or go after Baez and the defense team for misconduct due to not presenting the facts of the computer analysis during discovery? Or do only prosecutors have to share information that benefits the other side obtained during their investigation?


It varies between jurisdictions, but the general rule of thumb is that a defense attorney only needs to turn over anything that he expects/intends to use at trial to either present an original defense or rebut a portion of the State's case. Conversely, the State is required to turn over ALL of their information, whether they intend to use it or not.

Since the computer was examined by a defense expert, it's possible that the State could have subpoenaed the examiner and asked what he found in the computer, but since the State had its own examiners it likely didn't want ot get involved in that potential argument about whether that represented "work product" which is considered confidential and isn't subject to discovery unless there is an intent to use it.

/Defense Attorney in Indiana
 
2012-11-25 10:54:09 PM

Flint Ironstag: And its hardly CSI level investigation. They can trace an IP address with a GUI written in visual basic. These guys didnt even think to check Firefox or get records from their ISP. They just checked the easily deleted ie history....


pbs.twimg.com
What a CSI IP trace might look like

/hot like the microwave they cook flesh in
//guess which series this turned up in
 
2012-11-25 10:57:46 PM
Says a lot about me that no matter the outcome of all that, I still sorta want to.
 
2012-11-25 11:33:00 PM
This is precisely why I don't use the internet.
 
2012-11-25 11:43:35 PM

the_chief: This is precisely why I don't use the internet.


ditto
 
2012-11-25 11:57:22 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: Subby doesn't understand how the jury reached their decision.


her kid, she can kill it if she wants, i don't care, not my kid; hamsters eat their young, i've seen it

lh3.googleusercontent.com --> 

/you want to put a woman to death when you can't even prove she killed anyone, let alone her own baby? what kind of sick bastard are you?
 
2012-11-26 12:03:34 AM
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-11-26 02:15:50 AM
Hey brony this is for you!

i19.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-26 02:44:02 AM
Casey Anthony is a criminal. She is not able to be a productive member of society. She will get in trouble with the law again. And when she does whoever prosecutes her will come out with guns blazing.
Remember OJ? He is rotting in a Nevada prison right now.
 
2012-11-26 02:52:04 AM

bubo_sibiricus: It's the only thing that keeps us from sliding down the path to where people eventually get disappeared in the dead of night and pushed out of helicopters 10 miles from shore.


We're already near the bottom of that path. Here's just a small sample:

Exhibit A - Kenney Trentadue
Exhibit B - Anwar al-Awlaki
Exhibit C - the American victims of Operation Condor
The list goes on and on.

And America, for the most part, is either in denial or doesn't care. We might as well replace the stars on the US flag with 50 little swastikas.
 
2012-11-26 03:01:08 AM

BronyMedic: So can we have a "targeted assassination" of this woman by drone yet?

If anyone deserves it, it's her.


I didn't follow this case obsessively like so many others apparently did so I don't understand how so many people can be sure she's guilty and yet a jury failed to convict her.

But if we start executing people who a lot of people are really really sure not only are guilty but should have been given the death penalty why don't we just avoid the cost of a trial in the first place?
 
2012-11-26 05:23:05 AM

Happy Hours: BronyMedic: So can we have a "targeted assassination" of this woman by drone yet?

If anyone deserves it, it's her.

I didn't follow this case obsessively like so many others apparently did so I don't understand how so many people can be sure she's guilty and yet a jury failed to convict her.

But if we start executing people who a lot of people are really really sure not only are guilty but should have been given the death penalty why don't we just avoid the cost of a trial in the first place?


A good movie about this very subject. Starring Michael Doublas and Hal Holbrook. Older movie but still awesome.

cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2012-11-26 05:49:15 AM
If I were a juror on that case, this could well have been the deciding factor.

Chloroform/chlorophyll... Dodgy, but just barely plausible. I've done enough searches and either the automatic "did you mean..." suggestion was wacky, or I hit the wrong thing in the suggestion menu and ended up off in left field of where I wanted to be. So privately I'd think "you're probably guilty", but reasonable doubt exists even with all the other circumstantial evidence, so I wouldn't vote to convict.

But now on top of that we have a search for "fool-proof suffocation" in a browser history trail that indicates it was Casey Anthony doing the searching? That plus all the other sketchy behavior admitted at trial would personally peg my Culp-O-Meter. It is indeed just barely possible you are the victim of "a lot of bad luck floating around", but it sure as hell ain't reasonably likely.

And as others have pointed out, this is all on the prosecution -- the defense just did their job, it was the prosecutors who rushed and dropped the ball badly on this. Laughing Jeff should go to bed every night to the sound of a Greek chorus reminding him that now little Caylee can never have justice because of him and his squad of hyenas.
 
2012-11-26 06:05:06 AM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-11-26 08:25:22 AM

Bigdogdaddy: A good movie about this very subject. Starring Michael Doublas and Hal Holbrook. Older movie but still awesome.


I remember that movie and it was good..

crap are movies from the '80s considered older now?

I guess - it's about 30 years old by now - hey, does that mean they'll remake it soon?
 
2012-11-26 06:22:17 PM
is it just me or does Casey Anthony somewhat look like Tara from SoA?
 
2012-11-26 07:14:23 PM

the ha ha guy: wambu: Nohing illegal in any of that, but besides being slow and a PITA, it also looks suspicious and investigators will likely work overtime finding other evidence of your crime since they would now be convinced of your guilt. They may not be the smartest, but they're not stupid and can be bulldog persistent, which usually pays off for them, especially when you make that inevitable mistake.

Even if you don't make a mistake, they would likely consider it guilt of something, on the basis of "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".

It's not unlike the Ohio law where drivers could be convicted for drug smuggling for simply having an empty compartment in their car.


This reminds me a bit of the Indiana law that said that you could get DUI for driving with an open container. Except it didn't specify anything about the container, only that it was a container, and it was open. So, I guess if your glovebox is open, you are DUI.
 
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