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(Huffington Post)   The fight is over. Now they've got God's voice on a gay marriage commercial   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 7
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2012-11-26 12:16:27 AM  
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serial_crusher: Mister Peejay: serial_crusher: I mean, what good is a relationship if you don't have a government seal of approval and some superfluous tax benefits?

It's not the tax benefits so much as it is things like right-to-access in a medical emergency, and what happens with one's estate after one of them dies.

You mean the right to access that you could also establish by assigning a medical power of attorney?
And by "what happens" to your estate, you mean whether or not the person who inherits it has to pay inheritance taxes on it?

/ Yes, the costs involved in setting up a power of attorney are higher than they are in a marriage license. But a superfluous discount on legal fees isn't much different than a superfluous tax discount.


There are 1,138 separate and specific rights and protections granted to married people, based on marital status, under Federal law. As of today, none of them apply to gay couples, because of DOMA.

The only question, really, is whether all citizens have the same rights or access to the status that confers them. More specifically, the question is whether the Church has any business telling the State who has what rights.
2012-11-25 08:50:09 PM  
2 votes:

jackmalice: I think the best way to support same-sex marriage is to change the term Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender to Gay Bisexual Lesbian Transgender people.


Groups that separate people tend to separate people. It shouldn't be we want "x" right for gay people, it should be that we want "x" right for ALL people, regardless of color, gender, sexual identity, etc.
2012-11-26 08:27:49 AM  
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MrPerfectSU: serial_crusher: "shouldn't singe people get that too?" categories.

Like what specifically? What right does an individual receive by virtue of being married that is denied to a single person? That's a legit question that I'm confused about ... You need more than one person to have such rights



Did you conveniently ignore the two that I mentioned in the post you were replying to? Maybe I wasn't clear enough, so allow me to expound.
Technically child tax credits do require more than one person: a child and an adult. If the goal is to compensate the portion of somebody's income, why does it make any sense to discriminate based on the specifics of the providing adult's acquaintanceship with the child's biological parent? Suppose some single father from my gym is on hard times, so I let him and his kid stay at my house for a year while he gets back on his feet, and I shoulder the burden of the kid's finances. Would I not deserve a tax write off that year? If I gay married the dad, all of a sudden that would change?
So instead of artificially limiting that one to the child's family members, then quibbling over the definition of the word "family", let's just let anybody who provides for a child take that credit?

And then the right to health care... unemployed/uninsured singles are being denied that just as much as unemployed/uninsured gay life partners.
You could also look at it from the standpoint of benefits to the employed party. Getting married effectively gets you more money in the form of health insurance subsidies. Down of his luck Single Dad at the Gym sure would appreciate it if I could extend my health insurance to him and his kid during my year of charity, as would I. (again though, this is better solved if we stop looking at healthcare as a government-mandated employment perk, and start looking at it as a government-provided social service, like it should be. But, as long as the gay marriage crowd lays claim to it, so can I).

Most of the contended "rights" come in the form of completely frivolous tax benefits though, not rights that are being denied one party and extended to another (hey look, I said that earlier too!). The extension of frivolous tax incentives to one class is discriminatory against everybody outside of that class though, since it shifts their share of the tax burden to us.
2012-11-26 02:26:37 AM  
1 votes:
FYI, people really need to stop referring to it as "gay marriage," and start using the term, "marriage equality." When you use the term "gay marriage" it sounds like you're talking about creating a new, separate right. "Marriage equality" makes it more clear that it's just asking that the same right be extended to a segment of the population that's currently being denied that right.
2012-11-25 10:38:58 PM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Seriously. Don't you people have better things to do with your lives than try to determine who loves who?


Nah, it's not like that. I forgot where I read it, but someone figured it out.

As he put it, paraphrased:

Gay marriage destroys "the sanctity of marriage" because some poor saps got married to the first person who tolerated them because they believe that it's their duty to God to have children, and to do that they have to get married.

Gay people can't have children, period, in the sense that the child came from both of them by natural means. Therefore, they shouldn't be allowed to get married, since the only reason THEY got married to the bag of spite they had to stare at for the past 30 years was so they could have kids that they didn't want to begin with, and now they are cranky old goats who hate the idea that other people can have something nicer than they did.
2012-11-25 06:01:24 PM  
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2012-11-25 04:05:30 PM  
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"Freedom, justice and human dignity have always guided our journey toward a more perfect union," Freeman says. "Now, across our country, we are standing together for the right of gay and lesbian Americans to marry the person they love. With historic victories for marriage, we've delivered a mandate for full equality."

Damn straight!

/So to speak.

Freedom, justice and titty sprinkles for all!
 
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