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2012-11-25 04:09:25 PM
Another senior Senate Republican, Lindsey Graham, said on Sunday that Rice would face "a lot of questions" during any Senate confirmation hearing.

And the answer to every single question will be "I passed on the best available information we had at the time, with the caveat that there was a lot that remained unknown"

And then she should ask them why the hell they're wasting everyone's time and whether they know that the election is over.
 
2012-11-25 04:21:08 PM

Lionel Mandrake: "I passed on the best available information we had at the time, with the caveat that there was a lot that remained unknown"


This. Alternately:

"I stated what provided to me with the clear disclaimer that it was both an initial and unconfirmed assessment"

Just repeat something like that over and over again.
 
2012-11-25 04:37:50 PM
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
Somehow
I think
Wait, what am I supposed to be outraged about again?
 
2012-11-25 04:37:58 PM
 
2012-11-25 04:38:20 PM
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-25 04:40:14 PM
How about just "Rice shouldn't be Secretary of State"? That's more what I'm thinking. Who cares which reason you choose; she's just a bad choice. Period.
 
2012-11-25 04:40:20 PM
What they're eeally pissed off about is that the Obama administration "apologized" by criticizing this crappy, derptastic "movie"
 
2012-11-25 04:41:03 PM
In before the Just Asking Questions brigade.
 
2012-11-25 04:41:39 PM

k1j2b3: How about just "Rice shouldn't be Secretary of State"? That's more what I'm thinking. Who cares which reason you choose; she's just a bad choice. Period.


Why? How about you pick just one reason?
 
2012-11-25 04:44:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: k1j2b3: How about just "Rice shouldn't be Secretary of State"? That's more what I'm thinking. Who cares which reason you choose; she's just a bad choice. Period.

Why? How about you pick just one reason?


Woah Woah Woah there!

That is not fair, locking someone down by asking for specifics!
 
2012-11-25 04:44:52 PM
Answer to Milhouse's question "is Benghazi a scandal yet?":

Of course it is! Just give us some time to figure out why...
 
2012-11-25 04:48:16 PM
McCain cares about Benghazi? You wouldn't know it by his actions.
 
2012-11-25 04:48:38 PM
Did the Benghazi Truthers ever tell us why we need to be outraged about this yet?
 
2012-11-25 04:48:51 PM

vartian: McCain cares about Benghazi? You wouldn't know it by his actions.


To be fair, he was getting his diaper changed.
 
2012-11-25 04:49:43 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Captain Obvious has already confessed his problem isn't with Rice. 


FTFL:

"The problem is the president of the United States who in a debate with Mitt Romney said that he had said it was a terrorist attack."

So, McCain says that Obama did not say what he said he had said. He had said "act of terror" but said he had said "terrorist attack" which not what he said...so what he said he had said was not what he said, I say.

THIS is the scandal??

Well, at least I know now.
 
2012-11-25 04:49:52 PM

k1j2b3: How about just "Rice shouldn't be Secretary of State"? That's more what I'm thinking. Who cares which reason you choose; she's just a bad choice. Period.


You are aware that the Rice being referred to here isn't Condoleeza, right?
 
2012-11-25 04:50:13 PM
Give it up, McCain you doddering old FOOL.
 
2012-11-25 04:51:00 PM

vartian: McCain cares about Benghazi? You wouldn't know it by his actions.


WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO QUESTION A SENATOR??
 
2012-11-25 04:53:38 PM
How about "What makes her qualified to be secretary of state?" for starters. Hillary was always a policy wonk and was rather experienced. I know nothing but that this Rice was sent to the UN, which has all the potency of a wet cardboard condom.
 
2012-11-25 04:53:45 PM
www.killermoviereviews.com
 
2012-11-25 04:56:05 PM

thamike: k1j2b3: How about just "Rice shouldn't be Secretary of State"? That's more what I'm thinking. Who cares which reason you choose; she's just a bad choice. Period.

You are aware that the Rice being referred to here isn't Condoleeza, right?


I lol'd.
 
2012-11-25 04:57:47 PM

wildcardjack: How about "What makes her qualified to be secretary of state?" for starters. Hillary was always a policy wonk and was rather experienced. I know nothing but that this Rice was sent to the UN, which has all the potency of a wet cardboard condom.


Rice served in the Clinton administration in various capacities: at the National Security Council from 1993 to 1997; as Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995; and as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997.
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright has been a longtime mentor and family friend to Rice. Albright urged Clinton to appoint Rice as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs in 1997.[1] Rice was not the first choice of Congressional Black Caucus leaders, who considered Rice a member of "Washington's assimilationist black elite".[1] At a confirmation hearing chaired by Senator Jesse Helms, Rice, who attended the hearing along with her infant son, whom she was then nursing, made a great impression on Senators from both parties and "sailed through the confirmation process".[1]

On July 7, 1998, while serving as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, Rice was a member of an American delegation to visit detained Nigerian President-Elect Basorun M.K.O. Abiola. During this meeting, Abiola suffered a fatal heart attack.[27]

According to Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank, at one point Rice gave the "middle finger" to Richard Holbrooke during a meeting with State Department senior staff.[28]

Rice continued to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs until the end of Clinton's term in January 2001.

Rice was managing director and principal at Intellibridge from 2001 to 2002.[29][30] In 2002, she joined the Brookings Institution as senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program. At Brookings, she focused on U.S. foreign policy, weak and failing states, the implications of global poverty, and transnational threats to security.

During the 2004 presidential campaign, Rice served as a foreign policy adviser to John Kerry.

Rice went on leave from the Brookings Institution to serve as a senior foreign policy advisor to Senator Barack Obama in his 2008 presidential campaign. Rice took a disparaging view of Obama's Republican opponent in the campaign, John McCain, calling his policies "reckless" and dismissing the Arizona Senator's trip to Iraq as "strolling around the market in a flak jacket."[28]

On November 5, 2008, Rice was named to the advisory board of the Obama-Biden Transition Project.[31]

On December 1, 2008, Rice was nominated by President-elect Obama to be the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations,[32][33] a position which he also upgraded to cabinet level
 
2012-11-25 05:00:17 PM

DoomPaul: Is Benghazi a scandal yet?


We have always been at scandal with Benghazia.
 
2012-11-25 05:00:30 PM

wildcardjack: I know nothing but that this Rice was sent to the UN


And you clearly don't give a fark because that information is readily available.

But you go right ahead and pretend that your opposition is principled.
 
2012-11-25 05:04:03 PM

Hobodeluxe: wildcardjack: How about "What makes her qualified to be secretary of state?" for starters. Hillary was always a policy wonk and was rather experienced. I know nothing but that this Rice was sent to the UN, which has all the potency of a wet cardboard condom.

Rice served in the Clinton administration in various capacities: at the National Security Council from 1993 to 1997; as Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995; and as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997.
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright has been a longtime mentor and family friend to Rice. Albright urged Clinton to appoint Rice as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs in 1997.[1] Rice was not the first choice of Congressional Black Caucus leaders, who considered Rice a member of "Washington's assimilationist black elite".[1] At a confirmation hearing chaired by Senator Jesse Helms, Rice, who attended the hearing along with her infant son, whom she was then nursing, made a great impression on Senators from both parties and "sailed through the confirmation process".[1]

On July 7, 1998, while serving as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, Rice was a member of an American delegation to visit detained Nigerian President-Elect Basorun M.K.O. Abiola. During this meeting, Abiola suffered a fatal heart attack.[27]

According to Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank, at one point Rice gave the "middle finger" to Richard Holbrooke during a meeting with State Department senior staff.[28]

Rice continued to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs until the end of Clinton's term in January 2001.

Rice was managing director and principal at Intellibridge from 2001 to 2002.[29][30] In 2002, she joined the Brookings Institution as senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program. At Brookings, she focused on U.S. foreign policy, weak and failing states, the implications of global poverty, an ...


I didn't know much about her prior to today but that's an impressive resume.
 
2012-11-25 05:04:51 PM
Heh... Someone just got biatch-slapped in this thread.
 
2012-11-25 05:05:57 PM

wildcardjack: How about "What makes her qualified to be secretary of state?" for starters. Hillary was always a policy wonk and was rather experienced. I know nothing but that this Rice was sent to the UN, which has all the potency of a wet cardboard condom.


Clinton Admin:

NSC--
Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995
Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997

Secretary of State mentorship--
Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs 1997-2001

Post Clinton:
managing director and principal at Intellibridge from 2001 to 2002
2002--senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program, Brookings Institution
2004-- foreign policy adviser to John Kerry.
2008-- senior foreign policy advisor to Senator Barack Obama

Cabinet level:
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations


And your opinion of the U.N. is completely irrelevant.
 
2012-11-25 05:07:32 PM

dookdookdook: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
Somehow
I think
Wait, what am I supposed to be outraged about again?


That about sums up my feelings.

McCain, apparently unwilling to go into the history books as anything but the biggest sore loser of all time, again called for a joint select committee this morning on TV. You know, because this kerfuffle over talking points is exactly like selling weapons to Iran to fund a guerrilla army in contravention if US law.

"4 DEAD AMERICANS" they cry - like the 3,500+ that died in Iraq under false pretenses have had anything like justice done on their behalf.

I wonder how many times Obama would have to win re-election (supposing no term limits) before Republicans could finally make some kind of cognitive and emotional peace with the fact that he's the commander in chief? 7?
 
2012-11-25 05:08:36 PM

Mrtraveler01: Hobodeluxe: wildcardjack: How about "What makes her qualified to be secretary of state?" for starters. Hillary was always a policy wonk and was rather experienced. I know nothing but that this Rice was sent to the UN, which has all the potency of a wet cardboard condom.

Rice served in the Clinton administration in various capacities: at the National Security Council from 1993 to 1997; as Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995; and as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997.
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright has been a longtime mentor and family friend to Rice. Albright urged Clinton to appoint Rice as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs in 1997.[1] Rice was not the first choice of Congressional Black Caucus leaders, who considered Rice a member of "Washington's assimilationist black elite".[1] At a confirmation hearing chaired by Senator Jesse Helms, Rice, who attended the hearing along with her infant son, whom she was then nursing, made a great impression on Senators from both parties and "sailed through the confirmation process".[1]

On July 7, 1998, while serving as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, Rice was a member of an American delegation to visit detained Nigerian President-Elect Basorun M.K.O. Abiola. During this meeting, Abiola suffered a fatal heart attack.[27]

According to Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank, at one point Rice gave the "middle finger" to Richard Holbrooke during a meeting with State Department senior staff.[28]

Rice continued to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs until the end of Clinton's term in January 2001.

Rice was managing director and principal at Intellibridge from 2001 to 2002.[29][30] In 2002, she joined the Brookings Institution as senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program. At Brookings, she focused on U.S. foreign policy, weak and failing states, the implications of global ...


yeah all that education and then 20 years at the top of the state dept /national security council/Brookings institute/ambassador to UN is really nice. but flipping off Richard Holbrooke during a meeting is just icing on the cake.
 
2012-11-25 05:08:55 PM
We're "leading from behind" now. Who cares about Sec State? Just make sure you have someone competent at Treasury and the Fed.
 
2012-11-25 05:11:57 PM
She is very ugly.
 
2012-11-25 05:12:22 PM

thamike: wildcardjack: How about "What makes her qualified to be secretary of state?" for starters. Hillary was always a policy wonk and was rather experienced. I know nothing but that this Rice was sent to the UN, which has all the potency of a wet cardboard condom.

Clinton Admin:

NSC--
Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995
Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997

Secretary of State mentorship--
Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs 1997-2001

Post Clinton:
managing director and principal at Intellibridge from 2001 to 2002
2002--senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program, Brookings Institution
2004-- foreign policy adviser to John Kerry.
2008-- senior foreign policy advisor to Senator Barack Obama

Cabinet level:
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations

And your opinion of the U.N. is completely irrelevant.


Stop! Stooop, he's already dead!
 
2012-11-25 05:13:11 PM

67 Beetle: We're "leading from behind" now. Who cares about Sec State? Just make sure you have someone competent at Treasury and the Fed.


WTF does that even mean?
 
2012-11-25 05:13:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: I didn't know much about her prior to today but that's an impressive resume.


There was a Reuters backgrounder a couple days ago that also pointed out she was the driving force behind both the new Iran sanctions and the Libya use of force resolution. Those two are pretty massive wins.

The big question is whether those two were flashes in the pan or a sign of true genius. In particular, we are likely never to see something close to the Libya resolution for another decade or two (thought that is unlikely to be much of her fault).
 
2012-11-25 05:14:23 PM

67 Beetle: We're "leading from behind" now. Who cares about Sec State? Just make sure you have someone competent at Treasury and the Fed.


Gaddafi is dead and it cost us about $5.50.

I guess you would prefer another bloody, trillion dollar fiasco like Iraq?
 
2012-11-25 05:15:33 PM

thamike: wildcardjack: How about "What makes her qualified to be secretary of state?" for starters. Hillary was always a policy wonk and was rather experienced. I know nothing but that this Rice was sent to the UN, which has all the potency of a wet cardboard condom.

Clinton Admin:

NSC--
Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995
Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997

Secretary of State mentorship--
Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs 1997-2001

Post Clinton:
managing director and principal at Intellibridge from 2001 to 2002
2002--senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program, Brookings Institution
2004-- foreign policy adviser to John Kerry.
2008-- senior foreign policy advisor to Senator Barack Obama

Cabinet level:
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations

And your opinion of the U.N. is completely irrelevant.


I'm pretty sure that her reading a memo given to her by the CIA with speculative information removed overrides all that foreign policy experience.
 
2012-11-25 05:15:57 PM

OneBrightMonkey: "4 DEAD AMERICANS" they cry - like the 3,500+ that died in Iraq under false pretenses have had anything like justice done on their behalf.


Four deaths is a tragedy, 3500+ is a statistic.
 
2012-11-25 05:16:15 PM
Republican Peter King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, criticized Rice on Sunday, although he said she has "done an effective job" at the United Nations.

"But on this she was wrong," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" program.

"If she's sent out there to speak to the American people on what happened on Benghazi, she's obligated to do more than look at three sentences of unclassified, or five sentences of unclassified talking points. Because that was basically a cover story," he said.

He insisted Rice's position gives her access to classified information, and said, "She has an obligation not just to be a puppet."


Rep. Peter King, famous for saying "I don't care what FactCheck says". This guy propagates falsehoods and fairy tales.
 
2012-11-25 05:17:39 PM
"I don't believe the video is the reason for this. I don't believe it was ever the reason for this. That was a political story, not an intel story, and we're going to hold people accountable," Graham said on ABC's "This Week" show.

Accountable for what exactly?

Still got nothing.

Republican Peter King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, criticized Rice on Sunday, although he said she has "done an effective job" at the United Nations.

"But on this she was wrong," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" program.

"If she's sent out there to speak to the American people on what happened on Benghazi, she's obligated to do more than look at three sentences of unclassified, or five sentences of unclassified talking points. Because that was basically a cover story," he said


Still haven't said what was done or said that shouldn't have been or conversely what "right" would look like.

The contention of McCain and the rest of the GOP Greek chorus here is that "Rice somehow "deliberately misled the public in the wake of the Benghazi attack" has no basis in fact.

If there was any misleading going on it was deliberate and it was on the part of the intelligence community who wanted to get the bastards who did this and not let America's full knowledge of what occurred become common knowledge globally.

McCain's a big boy. This aint his first rodeo.

The cynical bastard knows full well that's what happened here but he's playing IRL Concern Troll to the hilt trying to milk this manufactured faux-scandal for all it's worth cos he sees the writing on the wall. His career is rapidly coming to an inglorious end and his massive ego simply can't handle the limelight withdrawal.

TL,DR?

Nothing, the GOP gots plenty of it.
 
2012-11-25 05:20:02 PM
The real reason the GOP is opposing her is because if she gets the job, they will be unable to defeat her when she runs for office.
 
2012-11-25 05:20:16 PM

cameroncrazy1984: 67 Beetle: We're "leading from behind" now. Who cares about Sec State? Just make sure you have someone competent at Treasury and the Fed.

WTF does that even mean?


It's real to him, dammit!
 
2012-11-25 05:22:43 PM
One of the many reasons the filibuster needs to be reworked so necessary government functions can't be hamstrung by obstructionist opposition.
 
2012-11-25 05:25:01 PM

quatchi:
McCain's a big boy. This aint his first rodeo.

The cynical bastard knows full well that's what happened here but he's playing IRL Concern Troll to the hilt trying to milk this manufactured faux-scandal for all it's worth cos he sees the writing on the wall. His career is rapidly coming to an inglorious end and his massive ego simply can't handle the limelight withdrawal.

TL,DR?

Nothing, the GOP gots plenty of it.


McCain will be 80 when his current term ends. His only legislative accomplishment was neutered by the Supreme Court (McCain-Feingold), so instead of using his weaning years to work across the aisle and get something passed that would burnish his legacy, he's decided to end his career as a professional dick?

It's bizarre to me - but I guess whatever gets you on Meet The Press 87 times a year is worth it.
 
2012-11-25 05:28:08 PM

cameroncrazy1984: 67 Beetle: We're "leading from behind" now. Who cares about Sec State? Just make sure you have someone competent at Treasury and the Fed.

WTF does that even mean?



What "one who leads from behind" might look like:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-25 05:29:06 PM

born_yesterday: Stop! Stooop, he's already dead!


By the time I had written it, everybody else had too. Still felt good.
 
2012-11-25 05:29:15 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Another senior Senate Republican, Lindsey Graham, said on Sunday that Rice would face "a lot of questions" during any Senate confirmation hearing.

And the answer to every single question will be "I passed on the best available information we had at the time, with the caveat that there was a lot that remained unknown"

And then she should ask them why the hell they're wasting everyone's time and whether they know that the election is over.


What, and go discuss exactly what defense projects and popular entitlements they're going to demand cuts on, and which tax subsidies they'll allow to sunset?

I can understand why the GOP wants to talk about absolutely anything besides the budget. Someone needs to go Schiavo for the team, stat!
 
2012-11-25 05:30:22 PM

Hobodeluxe: wildcardjack: How about "What makes her qualified to be secretary of state?" for starters. Hillary was always a policy wonk and was rather experienced. I know nothing but that this Rice was sent to the UN, which has all the potency of a wet cardboard condom.

Rice served in the Clinton administration in various capacities: at the National Security Council from 1993 to 1997; as Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995; and as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997.
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright has been a longtime mentor and family friend to Rice. Albright urged Clinton to appoint Rice as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs in 1997.[1] Rice was not the first choice of Congressional Black Caucus leaders, who considered Rice a member of "Washington's assimilationist black elite".[1] At a confirmation hearing chaired by Senator Jesse Helms, Rice, who attended the hearing along with her infant son, whom she was then nursing, made a great impression on Senators from both parties and "sailed through the confirmation process".[1]

On July 7, 1998, while serving as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, Rice was a member of an American delegation to visit detained Nigerian President-Elect Basorun M.K.O. Abiola. During this meeting, Abiola suffered a fatal heart attack.[27]

According to Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank, at one point Rice gave the "middle finger" to Richard Holbrooke during a meeting with State Department senior staff.[28]

Rice continued to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs until the end of Clinton's term in January 2001.

Rice was managing director and principal at Intellibridge from 2001 to 2002.[29][30] In 2002, she joined the Brookings Institution as senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program. At Brookings, she focused on U.S. foreign policy, weak and failing states, the implications of global poverty, an ...


So basically, she's a Democrat (or at least was appointed to positions by Democrats)?

WHAT A MONSTER!
 
2012-11-25 05:30:50 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: cameroncrazy1984: 67 Beetle: We're "leading from behind" now. Who cares about Sec State? Just make sure you have someone competent at Treasury and the Fed.

WTF does that even mean?


What "one who leads from behind" might look like:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x351]


Holy shiat! Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials.
 
2012-11-25 05:31:01 PM
We get it: she's a bluh Democrat
 
2012-11-25 05:33:59 PM
Let's just stick with the original reason, since its valid

Rice shouldn't be Sec of State because she went out on the news circuit to tell bald faced obvious lies in an effort to help cover her bosses ass.

"But she didn't know!"

Well that's just too bad for her now isn't it? She can thank Obama for that.
 
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