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(UPI)   Researchers from the Romero Institute have recently concluded that secondhand smoke exposure is common in cars -- or in any other sealed, box-shaped compartment you might find yourself sharing with smokers   (upi.com) divider line 29
    More: Obvious, Romero Institute, University of Rochester Medical Center, tobacco smoking, Emara Nabi-Burza, American Academy of Pediatrics  
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2012-11-25 04:55:45 PM
Oh enough already.

Any anti-smoking study this bannal should be grounds for a caning and loss of PhD, MA, BA, or any other alphabet soup one may have on their name.

Smoking's bad. We get it. Do some real farking science, assholes.
 
2012-11-25 05:53:46 PM
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2012-11-25 05:57:29 PM
The issue is that people who do smoke just don't get it. There was another study (linked at the bottom of TFA) back in September that found that less than 30% of smokers acknowledge that second hand smoke is harmful. Smokers need to understand that their actions have an effect on those around them, and until that happens we're going to have to spend more money on stupid studies like this one.
 
2012-11-25 06:05:20 PM
Well, duh, ask any of us who grew up with a chain-smoking (pipe in my old man's case) parent.

We got along pretty well most of the time all things considered, and I miss him (died fairly young, probably smoking assisted). But, and I could never really explain this, he got frickin joy out of the fact that he could smoke me out in the car. That I was honest-to-god wheezing sick by the end of a three-day cross-country road trip. Same thing if he could be in a crowded location outdoors and light up in the middle of a non-smoking crowd. More than just "didn't care", honestly crossed the line into "pleased". A little tiny bit of power in his near-powerless life I guess, particularly when it became a nearly-subversive thing in the late 80s/early 90s.
 
2012-11-25 06:08:53 PM

MadCat: The issue is that people who do smoke just don't get it. There was another study (linked at the bottom of TFA) back in September that found that less than 30% of smokers acknowledge that second hand smoke is harmful. Smokers need to understand that their actions have an effect on those around them, and until that happens we're going to have to spend more money on stupid studies like this one.


As in forest fires, barbecues, meat smokers, fire places, wood stoves, campfires, burning leaves, anything that produces smoke. And any one of them will put out more smoke in five minutes then I will in a month.
 
2012-11-25 06:16:05 PM

cig-mkr: MadCat: The issue is that people who do smoke just don't get it. There was another study (linked at the bottom of TFA) back in September that found that less than 30% of smokers acknowledge that second hand smoke is harmful. Smokers need to understand that their actions have an effect on those around them, and until that happens we're going to have to spend more money on stupid studies like this one.

As in forest fires, barbecues, meat smokers, fire places, wood stoves, campfires, burning leaves, anything that produces smoke. And any one of them will put out more smoke in five minutes then I will in a month.


The correct term is ETS (Environmental Tobacco Smoke). Now your argument just seems silly.
 
2012-11-25 06:21:08 PM
A sealed, box-shaped compartment being shared by smokers sounds hot. Temperature wise, of course.

But seriously, I know smoke is harmful in some degree to everyone, but people need to lighten up. Just about everything you eat has crap in it that's bad for you, and modern living makes it easier and easier to live a sedentary lifestyle which ain't good either. Complaining about a little smoke seems ridiculous considering how many other toxins you're getting dosed with on a daily basis. 

/quit 5 years ago
 
2012-11-25 06:23:13 PM
When I was a kid, I had really bad allergies. Nit like peanuts or anything, but particulate. Dust, pollen, and especially smoke. We had very good insurance, and was fortunate enough that my folks took me to an allergist. The allergist, of course, told my chain-smoking mother that she shouldn't, under any circumstances, smoke in a car with me inside.

I believe the term used was something along the lines of "...possibly develop severe asthma or emphysema..."

My mother's compromise was to crack the window slightly, saying "See, it's all going out the window!" So there I was, at nine or ten years old and wheezing, trying to explain to my mother the concert of diffusion. That just because it's not visible doesn't mean it's not there, it's just spread out.

Somehow, I still have a semi-decent lung capacity in my adult years, but every time I smell smoke I feel ill. Any time I stay at my folks place during holidays, my sinuses end up plugged with sticky, black tar-like snot and my throat burns all the way down. Meanwhile, my mom is horking giant black balls of mucus and having cardiovascular issues. But because she doesn't have lung cancer, she believes her current issues have nothing to do with her smokes.

Basically, for the TL:DR set:

This kind of study is nice to show them that they're full of shiat, but hardcore smokers are unlikely to ever stop based on them.
 
2012-11-25 06:23:44 PM
I'm a knucklehead and don't smoke where there are other folks, don't even smoke in my house.
Ever gone outside on a cold night and smell nothing but wood smoke?
The point being that cigarette smokers aren't the only ones putting smoke in the air.
/ I try to be a considerate smoker.
 
2012-11-25 06:25:48 PM

The Man Who Laughs: A sealed, box-shaped compartment being shared by smokers sounds hot. Temperature wise, of course.

But seriously, I know smoke is harmful in some degree to everyone, but people need to lighten up. Just about everything you eat has crap in it that's bad for you, and modern living makes it easier and easier to live a sedentary lifestyle which ain't good either. Complaining about a little smoke seems ridiculous considering how many other toxins you're getting dosed with on a daily basis. 

/quit 5 years ago


There is an issue of choice made there, though. I didn't chose to breath my mother's chimney stack impression all those years. That burger I ate at McDonald's a couple weeks ago was my big-boy, grown man choice.
 
2012-11-25 06:28:35 PM

cig-mkr: As in forest fires, barbecues, meat smokers, fire places, wood stoves, campfires, burning leaves, anything that produces smoke. And any one of them will put out more smoke in five minutes then I will in a month.


All of which, like smoking, are legal. All of which, except smoking, if done in an unventilated Buick with a not only non-consenting but actively protesting 8-year-old would get you brought up on child cruelty charges.

Thank you for trying to be considerate. It's like I am with being a relatively considerate bicyclist on the road (or religion, or any of a million other things)... the utter jackhole minority are unfortunately far more visible than the 80 or 90% who are not jackholes.
 
2012-11-25 06:29:33 PM
It's one thing if you work in a small office and the person at the desk next to you smokes all day, I can see that would cause harm to a non smoker over the course of many years. However occasionally riding in a car with a smoker, or being at a party where people are smoking isn't going to do jack shiat unless you already have some kind of respiratory issue.

While the smell may be unpleasant, occasional contact with second hand smoke isn't going to cause any long term problems. People typically smoke for 30-40 years before they begin to develop health related issues from it. The amount of smoke you get when smoking a cigarette is way more potent then what you get standing next to a smoker. Hell there's people in their 70's who've been smoking since they were teenagers.
 
2012-11-25 06:36:11 PM
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2012-11-25 06:45:32 PM

ReapTheChaos: It's one thing if you work in a small office and the person at the desk next to you smokes all day, I can see that would cause harm to a non smoker over the course of many years. However occasionally riding in a car with a smoker, or being at a party where people are smoking isn't going to do jack shiat unless you already have some kind of respiratory issue.

While the smell may be unpleasant, occasional contact with second hand smoke isn't going to cause any long term problems. People typically smoke for 30-40 years before they begin to develop health related issues from it. The amount of smoke you get when smoking a cigarette is way more potent then what you get standing next to a smoker. Hell there's people in their 70's who've been smoking since they were teenagers.


HOW DARE YOU bring logic, reason, and rationality into a smoking thread!

Don't you know that breathing one whiff of secondhand smoke can give you lung cancer, heart cancer, brain cancer, toe cancer and cancers we do not even have names for yet?!?!?!

People these days, trying to refute Conventional Wisdom! The nerve of some people!
 
2012-11-25 06:46:48 PM
Your momma's so fat, after sex she smokes turkeys.
 
2012-11-25 07:01:51 PM

Shadowknight: Any time I stay at my folks place during holidays, my sinuses end up plugged with sticky, black tar-like snot and my throat burns all the way down.


Yeah, you miss that and you don't miss that at the same time when they're gone. I will never forget literally scraping the tar off my folks' house walls with my fingernails when I starting cleaning it to sell after they were gone. Dad's car... didn't even try. Sold it as a "smoker's special" for $800 on Craigslist.
 
2012-11-25 07:02:33 PM
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2012-11-25 07:09:30 PM

jenlen: ReapTheChaos: It's one thing if you work in a small office and the person at the desk next to you smokes all day, I can see that would cause harm to a non smoker over the course of many years. However occasionally riding in a car with a smoker, or being at a party where people are smoking isn't going to do jack shiat unless you already have some kind of respiratory issue.

While the smell may be unpleasant, occasional contact with second hand smoke isn't going to cause any long term problems. People typically smoke for 30-40 years before they begin to develop health related issues from it. The amount of smoke you get when smoking a cigarette is way more potent then what you get standing next to a smoker. Hell there's people in their 70's who've been smoking since they were teenagers.

HOW DARE YOU bring logic, reason, and rationality into a smoking thread!

Don't you know that breathing one whiff of secondhand smoke can give you lung cancer, heart cancer, brain cancer, toe cancer and cancers we do not even have names for yet?!?!?!

People these days, trying to refute Conventional Wisdom! The nerve of some people!


And every whiff of second hand smoke will cut minutes off your life, but how would you know in the end?
 
2012-11-25 07:11:40 PM

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Wish they had these in airports.
 
2012-11-25 08:38:02 PM

cig-mkr: fusillade762: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x308]

Wish they had these in airports.


They used to in Vegas
 
2012-11-25 09:31:23 PM
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2012-11-25 10:01:54 PM

MadCat: The issue is that people who do smoke just don't get it. There was another study (linked at the bottom of TFA) back in September that found that less than 30% of smokers acknowledge that second hand smoke is harmful. Smokers need to understand that their actions have an effect on those around them, and until that happens we're going to have to spend more money on stupid studies like this one.


It's not that second hand smoke is harmful, it's that the danger has been blown way out of proportion. Environmental factors play a much more significant role in your health than does second hand smoke. For example, exhaust fumes, especially if you live in a city.
 
2012-11-25 10:02:56 PM
Plus, I had being lectured to by some asshole who's face is permanently attached to a bong (it's natural, man!).
 
2012-11-25 11:51:42 PM
I love going up to people eating greasy food and telling them that it's going to kill them.
 
2012-11-26 12:21:13 AM
Cigarette smoke killed my father. Then it raped my mother, shot my dog, pissed in my fish tank, set my house on fire, and gave the bird to a box of kittens in the garage.
 
2012-11-26 01:36:50 AM

cig-mkr: MadCat: The issue is that people who do smoke just don't get it. There was another study (linked at the bottom of TFA) back in September that found that less than 30% of smokers acknowledge that second hand smoke is harmful. Smokers need to understand that their actions have an effect on those around them, and until that happens we're going to have to spend more money on stupid studies like this one.

As in forest fires, barbecues, meat smokers, fire places, wood stoves, campfires, burning leaves, anything that produces smoke. And any one of them will put out more smoke in five minutes then I will in a month.


And as we all know, if there's something out there that's more harmful, everything that is less harmful becomes completely safe.
 
2012-11-26 01:39:22 AM
I always imagine that second-hand smoke "deniers" are the same type of people who would say shiat like, "Well, sure, getting stabbed with a knife is harmful, but that doesn't mean that getting stabbed with an icepick is too."
 
2012-11-26 03:52:42 AM
"Mind if I smoke?"

"No, do you mind if I fart?"


Keep your disgusting habits to yourselves, people.
 
2012-11-26 04:04:56 AM
My college (community college is awesome!) only allows smoking if you are in your car.
With the windows rolled up.

I get the 25 foot rule, and I am trying to quit, but at least let the smokers keep their windows down. Jesus, the smoke is OUTSIDE! It can't be much worse than breathing in exhaust all day in the city. If you're outside secondhand smoke won't strike you dead and you might not even notice it. You are not the bartender who works forty hours a week in a smoky bar, if you're not indoors there's this thing called the wind that will blow smoke away and bring fresh air.
 
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