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(The Daily Beast)   Why the GOP will gain total control by 2016, and will keep it for a generation or more, on a platform of "Restoring America's Glory." This is, of course, is a coded racist message,   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 192
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2012-11-25 11:37:15 AM
He knocks those straw men down one by one.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-25 11:58:20 AM
No, it's just uncoded derp.

The GOP has to dump the Southern Strategy before it can become something that will appeal to non-wealthy, non whites. Since the Southern Strategy is half or more of the party, they will have to completely re-make themselves before they can turn around.

Maybe in 30 years or so.
 
2012-11-25 12:00:35 PM
Fun stuff. You're not the Democrats in 2004. You're the Democrats in 1984. You're going to be utterly blown out in the next election, followed by a very hard tack to the center and abandoning most of your key principles in favor of being Democrat-lite..

Assuming you want to keep the historical analogy anyway.
 
2012-11-25 12:05:15 PM
tl;dr: anything is possible
 
2012-11-25 12:07:01 PM
Every time the GOP moves right, the Democrats follow them to occupy the remaining vacuum. There's no longer any need to vote GOP, since voting Democrat is just GOP lite.
 
2012-11-25 12:08:46 PM
i'm not sure the author's analysis is based on sound reasoning. all the GOP smart money KNEW that Romney was gonna flatten Obama in an electoral collage blowout...and look what happened there.

I guess the most accurate thing I could say about the future is that nothing is set in stone. Could the GOP retake Congress and the white house? sure. i'm not sure how...but anything could happen prior to 2016. things could change, people get desperate enough to believe the GOP lies.
 
2012-11-25 12:14:37 PM

Weaver95: i'm not sure the author's analysis is based on sound reasoning. all the GOP smart money KNEW that Romney was gonna flatten Obama in an electoral collage blowout...and look what happened there.

I guess the most accurate thing I could say about the future is that nothing is set in stone. Could the GOP retake Congress and the white house? sure. i'm not sure how...but anything could happen prior to 2016. things could change, people get desperate enough to believe the GOP lies.


As with normal life, delusions run rampant in politics. Psychologically speaking we fool ourselves to believe what is untrue because we at times feel that our real life is too damn miserable.
 
2012-11-25 12:27:25 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Every time the GOP moves right, the Democrats follow them to occupy the remaining vacuum. There's no longer any need to vote GOP, since voting Democrat is just GOP lite.


This. I consider myself a liberal; not a Democrat. This country doesn't have a left wing anymore.
 
2012-11-25 12:32:16 PM
The problem with the Republican Party has very little to with failing to reach out to ethnic groups. The major problem with the republican party is that it has become infected with religious zealot that require blind allegiance to social policies that the vast majority do not agree with and the outright hatred of science by the same group of religious nuts is driving more people away from the party than could ever be drawn in by the writings from itinerant bronze age herders.

Until the Republican Party returns to it roots of smaller government and champion of civil rights something that has not been seen in the past 20 years they are doomed to failure and until that happens I hope they continue to fail.
 
2012-11-25 12:35:34 PM

Weaver95: i'm not sure the author's analysis is based on sound reasoning. all the GOP smart money KNEW that Romney was gonna flatten Obama in an electoral collage blowout...and look what happened there.

I guess the most accurate thing I could say about the future is that nothing is set in stone. Could the GOP retake Congress and the white house? sure. i'm not sure how...but anything could happen prior to 2016. things could change, people get desperate enough to believe the GOP lies.


The smart ones knew better. Romney has been surrounded by yes-men his whole life and that didn't change during the campaign. He couldn't divorce himself of his hubris and arrogance. When the books start coming out I'd wager we're going to learn the stories of the people on the campaign who were fired for speaking truth. I wonder how many messengers were shot.

These people still think they can alter reality by ignoring it or lying about it. They're not taking anything back in 2014 or 16 unless they dump the bigots.
 
2012-11-25 12:47:55 PM
Considering that Step 1 for the GOP would be "Admit that rape is a bad thing and stop blabbering about "Legitimate rape" and "Easy rape" and "Gift-from-God rape" and so on"...

Yeah. Not gonna happen.
 
2012-11-25 12:48:11 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers:

The smart ones knew better. Romney has been surrounded by yes-men his whole life and that didn't change during the campaign. He couldn't divorce himself of his hubris and arrogance. When the books start coming out I'd wager we're going to learn the stories of the people on the campaign who were fired for speaking truth. I wonder how many messengers were shot..


while those of us outside the GOP certainly identified Romney's weaknesses early on, those inside the echo chamber really believed Romney was the ordained winner. they saw truth as 'attacks' and questions as insults. a lot of GOP pundits STILL believe Obama was 'mean' and/or 'rude' towards Romney....this in spite of the fact that Romney's second debate performance is still easily found online for review and analysis. I guess my point is that the Republicans were in deep denial about their chances and that not all of them have come back to reality yet. some might never make it back.

i've said before that it's still too early to say what the GOP is going to do for 2014. there's evidence to suggest that the Republicans are going to conclude that Romney wasn't 'conservative enough' but...they might actually move back towards the center instead of going further out on the right wing. what worries me is the evangelical faction. I can't tell how they're going to handle Romney's loss. well other than 'badly'. their ideology was firmly rejected by the country at large and in no uncertain terms....but I suspect they'll ignore that fact and double down on their efforts to make the GOP even more of a theocratic party.
 
2012-11-25 12:52:03 PM
How about "Restoring America's Sanity"?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-25 12:52:21 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Every time the GOP moves right, the Democrats follow them to occupy the remaining vacuum. There's no longer any need to vote GOP, since voting Democrat is just GOP lite.


That's the point the Democratic party has the left the center and even the center right now. The Republicans are farked until they can reinvent themselves, and they will have to fight Democrats to do that.
 
2012-11-25 12:52:26 PM
Likewise, to hear strategists on either side tell it, the Obama campaign's advantage with Hispanic and Asian voters is likely to relegate the GOP to permanent minority status. Never mind that it was only 2004 that George W. Bush won 44 percent of the Hispanic vote or that arguably the GOP has more high profile immigrant spokespeople-think Bobby Jindal, Susanna Martinez, or Marco Rubio.

Bush hit 44% of the Hispanic vote before the GOP strategy became a game of "can you too this?" Regarding how badly a Real Conservative would treat illegal immigrants. Or even all immigrants in some cases.

And the fact that the author is pointing to Rubio is proof that the GOP is looking to tokenism, rather than actually appealing to a minority.

Even swarthy people know when you are patronizing them.
 
2012-11-25 12:52:53 PM

MacWizard: How about "Restoring America's Sanity"?


That's just crazy talk
 
2012-11-25 12:53:56 PM
What... moronic is a codeword for racism? Being a racist is a symptom of being a moron, but not all morons are racist.
 
2012-11-25 12:54:05 PM
What is wrong with America's Glory? America is a beacon of hope and freedom shining in the world. Why do Republicans hate America so much? How will the troops feel when they find out that Republicans hate America?
 
2012-11-25 12:55:49 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Marcus Aurelius: Every time the GOP moves right, the Democrats follow them to occupy the remaining vacuum. There's no longer any need to vote GOP, since voting Democrat is just GOP lite.

This. I consider myself a liberal; not a Democrat. This country doesn't have a left wing anymore.


I look forward to the day when the Greens are the Democrats, the Democrats are the Republicans, and the Republicans are the Constitution Party.
 
2012-11-25 12:56:23 PM
I live in a community with lots of Asians, and work with many highly-educated ones, and the thing that they hold highest is a good science education for their children. As long as the GOP is the anti-education and anti-science party, they aren't going to get much from that demographic. Even the lady at the local chop suey joint who just moved here from China a few years ago and barely speaks English told me that she knows the Republicans don't believe in real science.
 
2012-11-25 12:56:38 PM

BSABSVR:

Even swarthy people know when you are patronizing them.


Limbaugh has been chanting Rubio's name like its some kind of prayer. the GOP pundits are desperately trying to tag the Democrats as racists and that they hate blacks and other minorities...this is while we've got a black man in the white house mind you.

the Republicans seem completely confused and demoralized by the fact that not only did Obama win, but he won by a landslide. that's just something they weren't prepared to acknowledge.
 
2012-11-25 12:57:06 PM
You have some in the GOP calling for immigration reform(hola!) and some slamming Norquist(sane!) but the 'baggers are still pushing Boehner around so I doubt that tent's going to get any bigger very soon.
 
2012-11-25 12:57:39 PM
There are three factors that could allow the Republicans to easily take the White House in 2016.

1. The Democrats might nominate a lackluster candidate and run a lackluster campaign.
2. The Republicans might nominate a likable charismatic candidate who runs a brilliant campaign.
3. The average American voter is stupid and has the long term memory of a .... ooooh.. look... shiny!
 
2012-11-25 12:57:39 PM
So what I take away from the article is that if Republicans tank the economy on purpose, and obstruct everything that comes their way, they'll make huge gains in 2016. Wait, they'll do better by farking us over?

What?
 
2012-11-25 12:57:54 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You have some in the GOP calling for immigration reform(hola!) and some slamming Norquist(sane!) but the 'baggers are still pushing Boehner around so I doubt that tent's going to get any bigger very soon.


do you think the evangelicals are going to stand for a Republican party that tones down the rhetoric on gay marriage and abortion?
 
2012-11-25 12:58:03 PM

cman: Psychologically speaking we fool ourselves to believe what is untrue because we at times feel that our real life is too damn miserable.


We're told by politicians real life is too damn miserable so we can fool ourselves into believing their solutions are viable, including solutions that add real misery. See: the route to happiness is 'unchaining' the most fabulously wealth class global history.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-25 12:58:15 PM

BSABSVR: Likewise, to hear strategists on either side tell it, the Obama campaign's advantage with Hispanic and Asian voters is likely to relegate the GOP to permanent minority status. Never mind that it was only 2004 that George W. Bush won 44 percent of the Hispanic vote or that arguably the GOP has more high profile immigrant spokespeople-think Bobby Jindal, Susanna Martinez, or Marco Rubio.

Bush hit 44% of the Hispanic vote before the GOP strategy became a game of "can you too this?" Regarding how badly a Real Conservative would treat illegal immigrants. Or even all immigrants in some cases.

And the fact that the author is pointing to Rubio is proof that the GOP is looking to tokenism, rather than actually appealing to a minority.

Even swarthy people know when you are patronizing them.


Especially when this is your idea of patronising minorities.
 
2012-11-25 12:59:59 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I doubt that tent's going to get any bigger very soon.


That's what she said!

/had to do it
 
2012-11-25 01:00:28 PM
GOP 2016:
POTATWO.0
 
2012-11-25 01:00:55 PM
ecmoRandomNumbers:
These people still think they can alter reality by ignoring it or lying about it.

The Republican core (not the voting base) are insanely wealthy sociopaths, and are used to getting what they want by bullying or paying for it. The Koch brothers and that other hyper-rich pillock all POURED money into this election, as well as supporting voter suppression etc. They honestly believed they could buy this election. They failed, simply because every single one of the GOP's candidates were so insane and/or uninspiring that Romney was simply the turd who floated to the top. I doubt a lot of people were genuinely thinking "gosh, Obama or Romney?" right up until the election, instead there were probably a lot of moderate Republicans thinking "gosh, can I even bring myself to hold my nose and vote for this obvious shiat heel just because he's from my party?"
 
2012-11-25 01:02:46 PM

vpb: No, it's just uncoded derp.

The GOP has to dump the Southern Strategy before it can become something that will appeal to non-wealthy, non whites. Since the Southern Strategy is half or more of the party, they will have to completely re-make themselves before they can turn around.

Maybe in 30 years or so.


You know what's funny? Obama did better in the South than any Democratic candidate since Reagan. It turns out people don't like it when you accuse a president they voted for of being completely illegitimate and constantly drumming up stupid scandals to throw him out of office.
 
2012-11-25 01:03:29 PM
A compelling piece of evidence however is that in 1968 and 1972, just under half of voters under 30 pulled the lever for the Democrats. This year, Mitt Romney won seniors by 12 points, roughly the same margin by which McCain bested Obama among the gray-haired set.

No, this is not compelling. This is apples and oranges.

1. It assumes that Democrats in 1968/1972 = Democrats 2012 and the same for the Republicans.
2. It assumes Obama = Humphrey/McGovern with the stink of LBJ and a third party Dixiecrat.
3. It doesn't factor in Nixon's vague promises to end the war in Vietnam.
4. "just under half" of voters under 30 is significantly smaller than 66% in 2008 and 60% in 2012 for Obama. Democrats would need to lose double the amount of these aging voters who "see the wisdom" of the GOP to get to that number.
5. Obama is nowhere near to the left that McGovern or Humphrey were. There is a center-left vs far right party dynamic in 2012.

In short, this clown is a hack.
 
2012-11-25 01:03:37 PM

Weaver95:

i've said before that it's still too early to say what the GOP is going to do for 2014. there's evidence to suggest that the Republicans are going to conclude that Romney wasn't 'conservative enough' but...they might actually move back towards the center instead of going further out on the right wing. what worries me is the evangelical faction. I can't tell how they're going to handle Romney's loss. well other than 'badly'. their ideology was firmly rejected by the country at large and in no uncertain terms....but I suspect they'll ignore that fact and double down on their efforts to make the GOP even more of a theocratic party.


Just look at what the Freepers took away from 2012: they need to double down on derp and start promoting only TRUE, PURE conservatives. True conservatives support 100% of the tea party platform. Anyone who deviates in any way (like by supporting relaxed immigration policy or medical MJ) is a RINO and must be purged from the party. That's the way they'll go for 2014, and when they lose Congress, they'll come to the same conclusion: more purity, more derp, purge the non-believers.

My guess is they lose their minds and run Palin and get less than 100 EV in 2016.
 
2012-11-25 01:04:09 PM
The idea that emerging majorities are both difficult to predict and hard to maintain I accept wholeheartedly.

The idea that Asians and Latinos are "natural" Republicans that can be persuaded to change party id en masse because the GOP has decided to run the occasional candidate whose name ends in Z not so much.
 
2012-11-25 01:04:49 PM

Weaver95: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You have some in the GOP calling for immigration reform(hola!) and some slamming Norquist(sane!) but the 'baggers are still pushing Boehner around so I doubt that tent's going to get any bigger very soon.

do you think the evangelicals are going to stand for a Republican party that tones down the rhetoric on gay marriage and abortion?


"Tones down the rhetoric"? Sure. Nobody's better than fundies at using dog whistles.
 
2012-11-25 01:05:55 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Weaver95: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You have some in the GOP calling for immigration reform(hola!) and some slamming Norquist(sane!) but the 'baggers are still pushing Boehner around so I doubt that tent's going to get any bigger very soon.

do you think the evangelicals are going to stand for a Republican party that tones down the rhetoric on gay marriage and abortion?

"Tones down the rhetoric"? Sure. Nobody's better than fundies at using dog whistles.


so you think they might just not talk about it much, but still try to legislate their version of morality on everyone else...

hmm. that might not work out as well as they'd planned.
 
2012-11-25 01:08:33 PM
Mitt Romney was an awful candidate and an awful person and he got 47% (ha!) of the vote.

Obama won solidly, it was a great election for the Democrats, and demographics say things should continue tilting their way. But let's not act like the Republicans weren't anywhere near winning that election, or that a whole bunch of close state elections going blue means that Democrats will win everything forever.

Midterm elections are rough on the incumbent party, and districts are gerrymandered like whoa. I don't feel good about the 2014 elections, and 2016 is very far away, so who knows what will happen then.

Meanwhile, we as a nation will continue to more or less ignore state governments when discussing these things.
 
2012-11-25 01:08:50 PM
You know who else was all about restoring national glory?
 
2012-11-25 01:09:19 PM
this article is stupid. It's saying if things change things will change. No shiat! no one is saying that nothing can change, they are only saying if it doesn't change then the GOP is in trouble.
 
2012-11-25 01:09:21 PM

GAT_00: Fun stuff. You're not the Democrats in 2004. You're the Democrats in 1984. You're going to be utterly blown out in the next election, followed by a very hard tack to the center and abandoning most of your key principles in favor of being Democrat-lite..

Assuming you want to keep the historical analogy anyway.


I think you're probably pretty close. The voters who do the math have been been drifting off to the "D" column for a couple cycles now; there's nothing to stop that bleeding in the offing. When a party gets most of it's funding from Koch Brothers et al, and the most loyal voters are the ones who will either vote GOP or stay home (anti-abortion, anti-immigration, gun-show, anti-gay rights, uncomfortable with non-christians)

What's left of the GOP is still politically powerful, but mostly for purposes of "no" only. It can't do anything, and to attract any significant new voters, you need to be for something, not just against everything.
 
2012-11-25 01:09:49 PM

stiletto_the_wise:
Just look at what the Freepers took away from 2012: they need to double down on derp and start promoting only TRUE, PURE conservatives. True conservatives support 100% of the tea party platform. Anyone who deviates in any way (like by supporting relaxed immigration policy or medical MJ) is a RINO and must be purged from the party. That's the way they'll go for 2014, and when they lose Congress, they'll come to the same conclusion: more purity, more derp, purge the non-believers.

My guess is they lose their minds and run Palin and get less than 100 EV in 2016.


The problem is that there are too many rural districts that are majority white to actually have the GOP lose Congress.
 
2012-11-25 01:13:32 PM
I think the author needs to look a little further back, like 1936...
 
2012-11-25 01:15:49 PM
Why would the GOP be a good choice to fix the problems they created? The problems they obstructed and continue to obstruct solutions to?

The GOP is not the white knight, they are the brackish swamp.
 
2012-11-25 01:16:13 PM

Weaver95: i've said before that it's still too early to say what the GOP is going to do for 2014. there's evidence to suggest that the Republicans are going to conclude that Romney wasn't 'conservative enough' but...they might actually move back towards the center instead of going further out on the right wing. what worries me is the evangelical faction. I can't tell how they're going to handle Romney's loss. well other than 'badly'. their ideology was firmly rejected by the country at large and in no uncertain terms....but I suspect they'll ignore that fact and double down on their efforts to make the GOP even more of a theocratic party.


You obviously aren't friends (I use the term loosely" with any Tea Party/Religious Right people. In the past few weeks, I've seen them call Obama a coward, accuse him of firing multiple flag officers because they "tried to help out the people getting attacked at Benghazi," outright called him "NOT my president," called liberals escaped insane asylum inmates, declared that we were going to become a nation of slaves, insisted we were turning into the Weimar Republic, said Obama was going to destroy religion, and tried to spread a rumor on Election Day that Obama was going to declare victory before any of the polls had closed to try and dissuade people from voting. They are going to turn the derp up to infinity.
 
2012-11-25 01:18:18 PM
Seeing as the GOP wants to turn the DERP up to 11 I highly doubt they are going to do anything but alienate more voters. Of course if someone with sense takea the reins of the GOP and drops the religious right like a hot rock the GOP might have a chance.
 
2012-11-25 01:19:31 PM
GOP Strategist 1: Women, Asians and Hispanics basically agree with some of our messages on family values and religion, just not the anti-science, anti-abortion and immigration stuff.
GOP Strategist 2: So, we could get them to vote for us if we pretend to like them?
GOP Strategist 1: Maybe. What candidates do we have available?
GOP Strategist 2: Well, there's Marco Rubio. He's Hispanic.
GOP Strategist 1: Yes, but he is Cuban. Not all Hispanics can relate to Cubans. They don't necessarily hate Cubans, but they're just different.
GOP Strategist 2: Okay. So let's run Rubio with... hmm. Sarah Palin?
GOP Strategist 1: Frankly, Sarah Palin is stupid. She won't be able to relate to the kind of women we want to attract, or rather, take away from the Democrats. Educated women who think for themselves---
GOP Strategist 2: KILL THIS LIBERAL!
GOP Strategist 1: What? No---

*gunfire*

GOP Strategist 2: Bury him in a protected forest... then chop down a tree to stick it to the libs.
GOP Gunman: Yes, sir.
GOP Strategist 2: Get Rubio and Palin on the line. 
GOP Phone-man: Yes, sir.
 
2012-11-25 01:20:17 PM
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2012-11-25 01:24:18 PM
I just don't think you're going to expand the "I hate science and love rape" demographic that much over the next 20 years. I could be wrong. Plus, the religious left is growing too.
 
2012-11-25 01:24:54 PM

Weaver95: Limbaugh has been chanting Rubio's name like its some kind of prayer.


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RU-BI-O! RU-BI-O! RU-BI-O!
 
2012-11-25 01:27:51 PM

GAT_00: Fun stuff. You're not the Democrats in 2004. You're the Democrats in 1984. You're going to be utterly blown out in the next election, followed by a very hard tack to the center and abandoning most of your key principles in favor of being Democrat-lite..

Assuming you want to keep the historical analogy anyway.


Well, except the democrats now are basically the Republicans in...2004, if you look at the Republican legislation they still uphold. Any tack to the "center" is still just a victory for GOP voters from 10 years ago. And it'll only get more GOPpy, as they're the ones who are dictating Democrat policy, as the Democratic party welcomes them in with open arms, defecting teams without ever changing their own policies.
 
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