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(Reason Magazine)   Oh, so you thought they would only come for that fat guy's soda and that skank's pack of smokes, and leave you and your beer alone? That's so cute   (reason.com) divider line 31
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2012-11-25 12:24:01 PM  
fark you people. I told you this would happen. Nanny-statism doesn't stop once it starts.

/I don't drink
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-25 12:47:03 PM  
Yes, that why there are so many "sin taxes" on alcohol in the South and dry counties and "blue laws" that make it illegal to buy beer on Sundays.

You know, because the South is so liberal and all.
 
2012-11-25 12:57:56 PM  
That means just one in four Americans consume alcohol on any given day.

Bunch of farking lushes, I tell you.

"I think sometimes people forget completely that alcoholic beverages have calories," lead study author and public-health theologist Samara Joy Nielsen told The New York Times.

I think other than the freshman 15, everybody knows about this.

/and those youngins are just sewing their wild oats
//so lighten up, Francis
 
2012-11-25 01:32:51 PM  

vpb: Yes, that why there are so many "sin taxes" on alcohol in the South


Top three states for state spirits taxes, per gallon: Washington, Oregon and Virginia, all over $20/gallon.

You were saying?
 
2012-11-25 01:34:19 PM  

Lsherm: fark you people. I told you this would happen. Nanny-statism doesn't stop once it starts.

/I don't drink


You mean the Christian movement to ban alcohol that have existed for decades? It wasn't liberals that banned alcohol sales in this state on Sundays. Hell, Tennessee is I think technically dry, just almost every single county has established legal alcohol sales. I'm not positive about that, Tennessee liquor laws are a fantastically inconsistent jury-rigging. Lynchburg/Moore County, where I might remind you they make Jack Daniels, is dry. They had to liberalize, and that is the correct word there for relaxing the laws, to sell Jack Daniels at the distillery.

So when you say liberals are taking away booze, might I remind you to shut the fark up.
 
2012-11-25 01:35:11 PM  

Gulper Eel: vpb: Yes, that why there are so many "sin taxes" on alcohol in the South

Top three states for state spirits taxes, per gallon: Washington, Oregon and Virginia, all over $20/gallon.

You were saying?


Nice apples to potato comparison.
 
2012-11-25 01:52:30 PM  
I'm confused. The article's from Reason, but I see no sign of higher order reasoning at all.
 
2012-11-25 01:57:46 PM  

Gulper Eel: You were saying?


That you know how to lie with statistics. Nobody gives a fark about one segment of the tax burden when they buy a bottle of scotch. they care about the whole thing. Here's a map that you can't lie about. Both red and blue states like to tax booze. And have incomprehensible alcohol laws.
 
2012-11-25 02:11:21 PM  
Americans being stupid about alcohol is not something new.
 
2012-11-25 02:27:42 PM  

Lsherm: fark you people. I told you this would happen. Nanny-statism doesn't stop once it starts.

/I don't drink


OH WHY DIDN'T WE LISTEN TO Lsherm? We were so foolish to not heed his dire warnings!! HE TOLD US THIS WOULD HAPPEN!! We deserve to have his scorn heaped upon us. FARK US PEOPLE, INDEED!

Oh, great Lsherm, what is the next freedom-robbing scheme of the liberal tyranny? I promise, we'll heed your warnings this time!!! 

...IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE!!1!
 
2012-11-25 02:34:12 PM  

GAT_00: So when you say liberals are taking away booze, might I remind you to shut the fark up.


The Christians took it away for one day (not counting prohibition). The liberals want to ban it altogether for the most liberal of reasons: for your own good. fark that. fark the fundamentalist Christians, too.

And I got to sit on a local committee that recommended liquor sales in Virginia on Sunday even though I don't drink anymore. I'm technically a Christian (Catholic) although I'm sure the fundies wouldn't consider me so. Actually, my in-laws still call me a "drinking Christian" because they're some lunatic sub-sect of Southern Baptist. So if you're ever in VA on a Sunday and you need a bottle of vodka between the hours of 1 to 6pm - you can thank me for being part of that.
 
2012-11-25 02:38:34 PM  

Lsherm: The Christians took it away for one day (not counting prohibition)


It's like you just decided to self-righteously cherry pick and ignore the whole dry county thing.
 
2012-11-25 02:40:24 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Lsherm: fark you people. I told you this would happen. Nanny-statism doesn't stop once it starts.

/I don't drink

OH WHY DIDN'T WE LISTEN TO Lsherm? We were so foolish to not heed his dire warnings!! HE TOLD US THIS WOULD HAPPEN!! We deserve to have his scorn heaped upon us. FARK US PEOPLE, INDEED!

Oh, great Lsherm, what is the next freedom-robbing scheme of the liberal tyranny? I promise, we'll heed your warnings this time!!! 

...IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE!!1!


Well, it's too late for foie gras, smoking, 20 ounce sodas, plastic bags, and HFCS. I suspect the next outright ban will likely be for a limited product that is a working solution to one of the existing bans: smokeless cigarettes.

You know, for your own good. God forbid anyone on earth enjoy themselves with something decadent, it pisses fundies and liberals off equally.

What I don't understand is that banning should be something that liberals fundamentally oppose, yet they embrace it just as willingly as any authoritarian. They just put the reasons for it in a different dress.
 
2012-11-25 02:46:38 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: The Christians took it away for one day (not counting prohibition)

It's like you just decided to self-righteously cherry pick and ignore the whole dry county thing.


You're stuck in Tennessee, I take it? By default, every county in the state is dry unless the county passes a law allowing liquor sales. So pass a law, or leave. I've been through Tennessee a few times - if you want liquor, you can find it. You may have to drive a while, but you don't have to leave the state. If you were even a mildly industrious individual, you'd figure out how to make your own. The rest of the state has.

Tennessee: the only state with more backwards liquor laws than Utah.
 
2012-11-25 02:53:21 PM  

Lsherm: God forbid anyone on earth enjoy themselves with something decadent, it pisses fundies and liberals off equally.


You don't actually know any liberals, do you?
 
2012-11-25 02:53:50 PM  

Lsherm: fark you people. I told you this would happen. Nanny-statism doesn't stop once it starts.

/I don't drink


you should start.
 
2012-11-25 02:54:38 PM  

Lsherm:

Tennessee: the only state with more backwards liquor laws than Utah.


Pennsylvania would like a word with you.
 
2012-11-25 02:56:19 PM  

Lsherm: The Christians took it away for one day (not counting prohibition)


*blink*

Not counting that stabby day, OJ Simpson was a role model
 
2012-11-25 03:03:45 PM  

BSABSVR: Lsherm: The Christians took it away for one day (not counting prohibition)

*blink*

Not counting that stabby day, OJ Simpson was a role model


Hitler wasn't so bad (not counting the Third Reich)
 
2012-11-25 03:09:36 PM  

Weaver95: Lsherm: fark you people. I told you this would happen. Nanny-statism doesn't stop once it starts.

/I don't drink

you should start.


You misunderstand - I did drink, but I got my lifetime of drinking out of the way between the ages of 20 and 35. Actually, I probably got two or three lifetimes of drinking out of the way. The few times I've fallen off the wagon only serve to remind me why I quit in the first place. Also, it's really difficult to be a functioning alcoholic after the age of, let's say, 35. You just can't get up the next day and get your game on.
 
2012-11-25 03:11:55 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Lsherm: God forbid anyone on earth enjoy themselves with something decadent, it pisses fundies and liberals off equally.

You don't actually know any liberals, do you?


I know plenty. The zealots are just as spiteful and mean-spirited as a fundie. The middle of the road liberals, the kind that don't want to ban anything, are just like the middle of the road conservatives.
 
2012-11-25 03:21:32 PM  

Lsherm: Lionel Mandrake: Lsherm: God forbid anyone on earth enjoy themselves with something decadent, it pisses fundies and liberals off equally.

You don't actually know any liberals, do you?

I know plenty. The zealots are just as spiteful and mean-spirited as a fundie. The middle of the road liberals, the kind that don't want to ban anything, are just like the middle of the road conservatives.


Mean spirited zealots, huh? And what group of people has good zealots in it's ranks?

If your problem is with zealots, then I'm with you, but you don't point out the faults with zealots, you point out the faults of liberals. And when you do, you inevitably use a Limbaugh-esque caricature of a liberal to do it.

I know many liberals (in real life, even) and not a single one of them gives a shiat what anyone drinks, eats, smokes or anything else, unless that person's actions affect them or a loved one or their stuff.

So as long as you keep spouting off about what "the liberals" want to do, I have no choice but to consider you some kind of zealot.
 
2012-11-25 03:25:34 PM  

Lsherm: Weaver95: Lsherm: fark you people. I told you this would happen. Nanny-statism doesn't stop once it starts.

/I don't drink

you should start.

You misunderstand - I did drink, but I got my lifetime of drinking out of the way between the ages of 20 and 35. Actually, I probably got two or three lifetimes of drinking out of the way. The few times I've fallen off the wagon only serve to remind me why I quit in the first place. Also, it's really difficult to be a functioning alcoholic after the age of, let's say, 35. You just can't get up the next day and get your game on.


I like how all drinkers are automatically alcoholics.
 
2012-11-25 03:36:17 PM  
Drink till you're 50 or so, drop dead.
Got buddies taking dirt naps all over the place.
/wish I was kidding
 
2012-11-25 03:36:35 PM  

Gulper Eel: vpb: Yes, that why there are so many "sin taxes" on alcohol in the South

Top three states for state spirits taxes, per gallon: Washington, Oregon and Virginia, all over $20/gallon.

You were saying?


You know times have changed when people no longer consider Virginia to be part of the South.
 
2012-11-25 03:39:14 PM  
With the exception for taxes, California has pretty lax alcohol laws when it comes to sales.
 
2012-11-25 03:41:15 PM  
Not going to give reason a click. That's just enabling stupidity.
 
2012-11-25 03:42:19 PM  

Lsherm: What I don't understand is that banning should be something that liberals fundamentally oppose, yet they embrace it just as willingly as any authoritarian. They just put the reasons for it in a different dress.


Other than Bloomberg in NYC with the soda ban and state politicians taxing the hell out of cigarettes, I don't really know of any serious pushes from the left to ban things.
 
2012-11-25 04:02:02 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: Weaver95: Lsherm: fark you people. I told you this would happen. Nanny-statism doesn't stop once it starts.

/I don't drink

you should start.

You misunderstand - I did drink, but I got my lifetime of drinking out of the way between the ages of 20 and 35. Actually, I probably got two or three lifetimes of drinking out of the way. The few times I've fallen off the wagon only serve to remind me why I quit in the first place. Also, it's really difficult to be a functioning alcoholic after the age of, let's say, 35. You just can't get up the next day and get your game on.

I like how all drinkers are automatically alcoholics.


I didn't say that, and I've already addressed that very point in another thread today: Link

Are you a super-douche in real life or is this just compensation for being stuck in Tennessee?

CorporatePerson: I don't really know of any serious pushes from the left to ban things.


Plastic bags. SUVs. In California (granted, these aren't normal liberals) - backyard grills.
 
2012-11-25 04:47:16 PM  

Lsherm: Are you a super-douche in real life or is this just compensation for being stuck in Tennessee?


Only to people who deserve it.
 
2012-11-27 12:57:55 AM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: Are you a super-douche in real life or is this just compensation for being stuck in Tennessee?

Only to people who deserve it.


Have you ever actually evaluated yourself on Fark?
 
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